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harmonic:

Seanchaidh:

harmonic:

Right, all the times I've spoken about more personal responsibility, less state responsibility, and maximum possible personal freedoms went right through one eye and out the other without registering in the thing between your ears.

No, it just contradicts your position on a woman's right to control her own body. You believe she should be enslaved to the being that inhabits her womb, to provide unpaid shelter and food for it for nine months with absolutely no way out of the relationship.

Oh yeah, you can yammer on about 'maximum possible personal freedoms' all you'd like, but when it comes down to it... nope! You just don't support it. You're a statist.

What the hell are you talking about? Show me where I said abortion should be outlawed. Show me. You can't, because it never happened. You're arguing with your own shadow.

Yeah, I can't really take you seriously anymore. You're arguing with me even though we have the same policy opinion on this issue. You're arguing because I'm me, you associate me with a template of beliefs, you want to white knight for "women's rights" make pretending I'm "anti-woman" and you apparently can't separate that from the numerous times I've said that I'm not "pro-life". Get with the program, kid.

Oh, sorry. You just think that "your" policy opinion is "pro-death" and that "we" (Republicans) need to win a "culture war" by saying so.

Yeah, ok.

Smagmuck_:
So are you implying only the poor get abortions?

No, I am arguing that if you need thousands and thousands of dollars to be able to have an abortion, abortion is banned for anyone except the rich.

And that was my point: Making people pay the full cost themselves is the same as an abortion ban.

harmonic:
Everything you wrote here is absolute rubbish. Not even remotely in the realm of fact and truth. Stop associating the word "libertarian" with "everything I, Blahblahb, disagree with" because that is exactly what you just did.
You seriously don't know what the word means. You just described some sort of hybrid of Neoconservatism and Reactionary Theocracy, not Libertarianism. Complete and utter rubbish.

So basically you find what I said uncomfortable, but it's true and so well argued you won't even try to refute it?

Why not just admit I'm right? You know very well the things I quoted are points put forward by prominent libertarians, like Gary Johnson in this case, and that handing state power to churches is theocracy. That you want libertarianism to be something that it's not doesn't change much about it.

adamsaccount:
Its patronising as fuck that the government can prosecute me for what i choose to ingest in the privacy of my own home

Not really. It's proven fact that society (and the government) end up paying for the health damage that causes, and it's statistical law that people who do that are the worst category of criminals who offend most often and cause a lot of damage.

Your argument would only fly if drugs were harmless, and the drug trade was harmless too.

But it's not, and it's that harm to people which makes it the government's business to legislate based on:
-Public health
-stopping those damages to society from occurring

If anything the cries for drug legalisation are comparable to wanting slavery. Because, legalising drugs helps nobody except the drug traffickers (who stand for the slave owners) who no longer need to launder their profits, and are more difficult to catch on their other criminal activities. Everybody else loses in cases of drug legalisation.

As demonstrated in the Netherlands for instance. Legalising selling pot has been a major disaster. The 'coffeeshops' that sell pot are almost exclusively in the hands of the most violent branches of organised crime, children can still purchase drugs there, it attracts drug tourists who cause problems, and there's been no visible harm reduction due to that; that is caused by drug education, not by trade legalisation. In addition, growing pot is also something which causes major problems. Lots of violence, fire hazards and damaging of property. We'd have been much better off keeping the pot trade illegal and maintaining the current model of drug education and addict care.

Because those latter two things are what makes the difference, nothing else.

Blablahb:

Father Time:
"Pro-Lifers are anti-women"
First off there are lots of pro-lifers who are women. Second if you actually listen to their arguments you'll see that the anti women claim isn't true. Their arguments are that fetuses should have basic legal protections from not being killed because they are technically human life.

Sorry, but that makes no sense. Why people who are anti-abortion are also anti-women is perfectly defensible, and religious dogma (the same which holds that women are inferior) is the sole cause of anti-abortion sentiments.

I can't say I am 100% against abortion, but I am not religious and I am of the opinion that abortion needs to be taken more seriously. In my eyes, it's basically murder. You're robbing a child of the chance to live. You don't need to be religious to share that sentiment.

Seanchaidh:

Oh, sorry. You just think that "your" policy opinion is "pro-death" and that "we" (Republicans) need to win a "culture war" by saying so.

Yeah, ok.

Are you really still trying to prove that I'm "pro-life"? What do you have to gain from that? You realize that's impossible, right? Because... I believe it should be legal and readily available? Duh?

Yeah, there's a culture war, and you're the enemy. Calling you "pro-death" is just one tiny step in countering your common tactic of using manipulative language. Technically that would make me pro-death, but it's a policy more associated with Democrats, so I'll take it.

Blablahb:

Why not just admit I'm right?

Because you're not. And I really have no further interest in banging my head against the wall debating you, because just about everything you say has already been said ad nauseam by the most mainstream and stereotypical of leftist sources.

"If you're not going to get behind our troops, feel free to get behind them."

I do care about the troops: I want them to stop dying and I want them to stop killing.

Also, can we please move on from abortion and gun control? Surely four pages of it is enough!

"Black people can say the N word, so why cant I?"

I wont even comment on that, Ill let you guys discuss it

The abortion argument in general, but more specifically, there's one rancid plague that's been proliferating itself among sycophants and idiots alike. Addressing a fetus as, "not human" or, "not alive" has to be one of the more stupid things I've heard in my lifetime.

If you want to have a serious moral/ethical discussion on whether the life of an unborn human is expendable in ____ circumstance, then that's a transparent effort. If you try to mask the issue with, "it doesn't even matter, it's not human/alive" then you are a waste of breath. I don't care what your political/moral/ethical standpoint on abortion is, at least have the human decency to acknowledge reality instead of squatting over a bowl and squeezing out a warm, tightly coiled pile of delusory justification.

GriffinStallion:
"Race is a social construct, all humans are equal!"
No we are not. There are numerous studies showing the differences between males, femals, blacks, whites etc.

What you want to say is that we're not "identical". Which I agree with. "Equality" comes into play when it comes down to one's responsibility before the society. That we all are subject to the same rules. That we all have the same options available; but it's of course up to us what to do with them; that's the point of "equality". Not saying we're all the same, but saying that we're all subject to the same set of rules and norms.

GriffinStallion:

I hate liberals, cultural marxists and other left wing fanatics. They will be the death of this world. All there is to do now is to watch it burn.

I'm sorry, but how is liberalism the same as left wing fanaticism?

GriffinStallion:
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You're off the hook mate, continue with the (barely) passive-aggresive hostilies, only if you wish to net yourself a warning.

OT: Liberalism = Socialsm wat. watwatwatwatwatwatwatwatwatwatwatwatwat.

That being said, youknow. There are 'facts' that make people view Hitler not only as an insane maniac, but also as an idiot. The proposed non-aggresion pact with russia broken because he believed the slavic race to be inferior is a prime example for both.

GriffinStallion:

"Multiculturalism is good for us all" NO IT ISN'T!

I would love to get a look at what games you play, what foods you eat, what car you drive, and many other aspects of your consumerism. I'm fairly willing to bet there's plenty in your lifestyle that isn't native to your culture. Good chance of it already since you're on a video game oriented website's forum.

Frokane:
"Black people can say the N word, so why cant I?"

I wont even comment on that, Ill let you guys discuss it

It is a double standard. Obviously when black people use it it isn't always a negative, and yet nobody else is allowed to use that second non negative definition because of something.

GriffinStallion:
"Race is a social construct, all humans are equal!"
No we are not. There are numerous studies showing the differences between males, femals, blacks, whites etc.
"Transgenderism is not a mental illness" It is a mental illness you idiot. They have an XY chromosome, they are male. Mutilating themselves, dressing themselves up and calling themselves women doesn't change the fact that they are male. If I were to claim to be a 80 year old and claim benefits, saying that I have the brain structure of an 80 year old, or that I am an 80 year old stuck inside a 22 year olds body, would you give me those benefits? Why do we have to accept their delusions? Should we accept the delusions of Schizophrenics?
"Socialism helps us all and is the best economic system" Listen cunt, do I have to get out the infographs? Socialism is a terrible system almost as bad as....

It's not a good sign when you're talking to a hypothetical person and getting that angry over it.

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