It feels like people around my age are falling through the cracks of society

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afroebob:
and a lot of it has to do with the entire world economy being shit.

I haven't read most of your guys conversation, but this line seemed to sum everything up in a nutshell. And this has created quite a malevolent employers job market, which will eventually lead to that skill-scare that everyone was moaning about coming in the future 3 or 4 years ago, because without the experience, nobody wants to hire you to get the experience. But As I said, I haven't read your guys conversation through, but that bit of your last post just sums up the entire job situation for what seems like the whole world right now.

Remus:
So long as your college degree is for something practical and not something akin to "yoga instructor" or "personal wellness expert", then it'll at least be worth the paper it's printed on. You don't want that Walmart job. I had it and that company makes a point of keeping its workers below the poverty line. Raises are mandatory there, sure, but hours are not. Make more per hour = less hours you'll get, put simply. I for one would welcome a minimum wage increase to $9.00/hr like the President proposed. It'd certainly help my travel expenses with the current cost of gas. But I don't see that happening with our current House. So I can only hope that what jobs I do get can actually pay for themselves rather than leave me relying on family to just pay for gas.

Minimum wage increasing to $9 an hour won't help a single thing, unless price freezes all across the US were to be instituted. It's about profit margins. Profit margins say that all in all, no matter what the minimum wage is, the cost of goods will increase at an equal or slightly higher factor. It is minimum wage employees that fuel walmart. If they all of a sudden have to pay out 9 dollars an hour to every single employee, do you think they are going to take that on the chin? no. they are going to jack the price of a jar of pickles or miracle whip up by another 2 and a half dollars.

Considering the FED is cooking the books by not including the price of consumables into the cost of living/inflation, then Wal Mart can get away with it.

Point being: The entire currency and trade system within the united states needs a grand overhaul. We either need to go completely to a manufacturing/agrarian based socialist society, or a full blown capitalist society where in businesses are allowed to fail and everything else. This half way socialist-capitalist crap is for the birds.

LordJedi86:

afroebob:
and a lot of it has to do with the entire world economy being shit.

I haven't read most of your guys conversation, but this line seemed to sum everything up in a nutshell. And this has created quite a malevolent employers job market, which will eventually lead to that skill-scare that everyone was moaning about coming in the future 3 or 4 years ago, because without the experience, nobody wants to hire you to get the experience. But As I said, I haven't read your guys conversation through, but that bit of your last post just sums up the entire job situation for what seems like the whole world right now.

More or less it was him saying the US is one of the less well of countries and me saying that's not really true and that the US is on par or better than the majority of Europe. Of course Europe does have some really well of places, but they also have some really BAD ones like Greece.

afroebob:

LordJedi86:

afroebob:
and a lot of it has to do with the entire world economy being shit.

I haven't read most of your guys conversation, but this line seemed to sum everything up in a nutshell. And this has created quite a malevolent employers job market, which will eventually lead to that skill-scare that everyone was moaning about coming in the future 3 or 4 years ago, because without the experience, nobody wants to hire you to get the experience. But As I said, I haven't read your guys conversation through, but that bit of your last post just sums up the entire job situation for what seems like the whole world right now.

More or less it was him saying the US is one of the less well of countries and me saying that's not really true and that the US is on par or better than the majority of Europe. Of course Europe does have some really well of places, but they also have some really BAD ones like Greece.

Fair enough. If you look at most of Southern Europe right now it's in trouble. I understand some of the Nordic countries are doing quite well for it all though.

Captcha: Huggle Muggle.
Awh, captcha loves me even though I never got that stinking Hogwarts letter.

It's sickening, get used to it or move somewhere with better market regulation. I'm only employed by virtue of being a war veteran working security. All of my other marketable skills, every piece of tech that I'm excellent at fixing or building only happens as a hobby now thanks to the structure of our education system and corporate culture.

As far as I'm concerned, if anyone's primary concern at work is to serve shareholders, that person's job is worse than worthless... it's downright harmful.

Vuliev:

tehroc:
College degrees under a masters are worthless. The whole point of college is just to make connections. It's not just your generation, every gen has gone through those periods.

Uh, no. The point of college is to obtain specialized education and training so that you can work properly in that field. You may be able to learn engineering principles on your own, outside of college, but you won't have access to the facilities that let you actually fuck up and learn from it before you fuck up in the industry and get fired, before you have a chance to even progress in your field. Even non-STEM majors need the education in order to get into grad school--you can't straight-up jump into grad school.

Dude from my experiences, in the real world, it's all about who you know, not what you know. You could be the greatest engineer in the world but if you don't know the right people you will go no where. Look at the former US President, do you honestly believe he would have even made governor without his family name?

I'm just an above-average tradesman but without name recognition my business goes no where.

kgpspyguy:
How about you just suck it up and do your job, Work isn't supposed to be fun.

and then we can throw ourself under a bus while we're at it....because thats life huh?

I think you'll notice that people CAN'T GET JOBS in the first place

Vault101:
I think you'll notice that people CAN'T GET JOBS in the first place

Oy! Don't you go bringing facts into a condemnation of lazy whiny kids!

I flunked University, which kind of left me in the worst place to be...

...until I got scooped up by a tech/trade school that not only put me in a program with a 96% hiring rate (or so), but offered me a program that gives me a huge foot in the door/a full time job over the summer.

Have you considered entering the trades?

tehroc:
Dude from my experiences, in the real world, it's all about who you know, not what you know. You could be the greatest engineer in the world but if you don't know the right people you will go no where. Look at the former US President, do you honestly believe he would have even made governor without his family name?

And if you don't have the actual skill to back up that connection, you're still going to be fired really quickly. The reason I have an interview on Thursday is due to (a) my university having a reputation for outstanding quality of graduates, (b) my EE specialty, power systems, and (c) my ability to demonstrate that specialized knowledge in my phone interview a couple weeks ago--not because I knew anyone on the inside.

Besides, using Bush is a horrible example--politics is notorious for dynasties that stay in power regardless of actual skill or ability, and that's really not reflected in the workplace to anywhere near the same extent.

Unfortunately the economy in the United States is not improving. As much as suits go in front of a microphone and say that things are getting better they really aren't. Unemployment is higher then ever (So high that the gov't has stopped paying unemployment for thousands recently), more and more companies are going overseas for workers instead of promoting local growth and development, and every job that there is are minimum wage, fast food, or like you said Walmart and similar. It really is sad to say but that's just how things are right now. Give it a few years and maybe things will have changed a bit but even then I can't see all the jobs you need degrees for magically opening up positions.
In my personal opinion, I thing we might be seeing the beginning downfall of the country. I don't know if enough stimulation to the economy can be done to bring the USA back to where it once was.

I'm nearly twenty-five, and I recently looked up some of my old fellow students and friends of my schools, and every one of them is a satisfying story.

The people I liked through school are in various degrees of success, but most are genuinely happy, whether they're travelling, working in their ideal careers or powering through university. I'm lucky enough to not live in a society driven by hard capitalism, where the government actually pays for the education of its people as a long-term sociological investment. I don't know why the American government still believes education is a privilege for the already rich.

On the other side of that coin, are the dickheads who spent their school years being 'cool', not studying, coasting on athletic prowess and worrying about being the top of the social ladder are single parents, working shitty jobs, worrying about paying rent or, in one particular case, hung himself in jail after hospitalizing his girlfriend after a lifetime of failures because once high school ended, society stopped handing him everything.

Sutter Cane:
As someone who is currently 20 and looking to finish up his college degree in the next couple of years, it feels like people around my agre are really ending up on the short end of society's stick. I mean based on what I'm hearing, it really feels like college degrees are barely worth the paper they're printed on nowadays, an that unless you are looking to go into certain very-specific fields, you're just going to end up back at Walmart indefinitely anyway. It really feels like the only choices right now are between "career that will make you miserable for your entire working life" or "not being able to support yourself." I mean when it feels like those are your only two choices, how am I supposed to stay motivated? How am I supposed to remain optimistic? What is a person like me even supposed to do?

Here's what you do: you think about how there are millions of people out there who die every day, people with nothing to live for - no food, no home, no family, and they fight tooth and nail to live to their last breath, and here you are in the greatest country in the world bitching about not being able to stay optimistic.

I utterly fail to sympathize with you. You seem unwilling to take control of your own life, opposed to following the same failing system everyone else is, because why, it's the easiest to do?
The reality is, not everybody gets to be happy. Some people have the luck to be interested in fields with very high demand and are both happy with their work and getting paid well for it. That's not for everyone - society always needs garbage men, Walmart employees and brick haulers.

What you need to do is stop thinking about what you don't have, think about what you want and the steps you can take to attain it. Getting a degree doesn't automatically give you work, you're a fuckin' fool to assume that. What you need to do is be the very best candidate for the position. You have a degree in your field, great, so do a hundred other applicants.

What makes you special?

Well welcome to the harsh world of the US(i'm going to assume) where the older generations are going to force the problems on the newer generation because they don't want to lose votes. We're going have to deal with the debt the moment we really take a step out in 'life'. Then we're going to be kicked in the face and have to get back up and probably deal with more bs. Go life. It's always trying to push you to suicide.

Sansha:
snip?

youre not american, you said it yourself your lucky to live in a country that pays for your education

I wager things are a little worse over there

oh and telling people about the starving children in Africa does not motivate them to solve their problems...it only further annoys them

Vault101:

Sansha:
snip?

youre not american, you said it yourself your lucky to live in a country that pays for your education

I wager things are a little worse over there

oh and telling people about the starving children in Africa does not motivate them to solve their problems...it only further annoys them

I'm actually referring to the hordes of homeless living and dying on the streets of Washington DC and New York City I saw on my visit last year, but okay. And I'm not talking about solving your 'problems', I'm talking about how fucking sweet you really have it, and bitching that nobody is providing you with a job helps... wait for it... ffffuck all!

And actually, it's fucking sweet here. Unemployment is no different, the economy is still chugging along, albeit a little weaker as it mostly relies on tourism, outsourcing and TV/movie productions from America and the EU, but internally it's pretty great. Even better are the people going to Australia to work in their booming raw materials industries and sending money to their families back here.

My grandfather, father and myself started with exactly zero dollars when we emerged blinking into the sunlight of the real world, they both left the world content and successful after a lifetime of innovation and smart work, and I at 24 am well on my way to doing the same.
Sure people will tell you that it's about working until you no longer have skin on your fingers, but that's nothing without knowing where and how to apply your motivation.

You always have options. Used to be you found success in America by having an idea and knowing how to apply it. Apparently, from what I hear out of college kids these days, they think it's unfair that it's not flashing your degree and being provided employment like a fucking gift certificate.

Sansha:
snip.

we have homeless too....

I think its a bit rich to dismiss any and all concerns when your clearly saying how great you have it..again the US is different

sure complaing about the systm isn't going to help but thats not to say it doesnt have some serious issues

carlsberg export:

Ryotknife:

Also, you know there is nothing wrong with learning a trade right? They make a decent living and the work can be quite rewarding, and they are usually in high demand. I know the US likes to push everyone towards a college degree and looks down upon the trades, but as someone who has worked alongside electricians, plumbers, welders, and such there is nothing wrong with those lifestyles. And you can take pride in your work as you will directly help to create actual physical objects/buildings.

Also if you do go for a college degree, for the LOVE OF GOD, get an internship or some practical experience. I wish I knew how important that was when i was in college.

indeed, there really is this mentality of looking down on tradespeople and i dont know why, it is very rewarding to stand back after a days work and see that you have made something.

in certain fields you can make good money if you are skilled enough, last time i was in america i know the welders working on a nearby stadium were on something like 100 dollars an hour.

Hey man, Jesus was a carpenter... And more than half of this country looks up to him. :)

But yeah, I went to a tradeschool for my two year degree, and then found a 4 year program that accepted it as a direct transfer, so hopefully when I finish ( at the end of the year) I will be in good stead.

I honestly feel like I learned more pertinent information from the two year degree, than I am learning from the four year one.

College degree aren't worth as much as they used to be. However, they are required if you want a good job. It might not get you hired, but it will ensure you have a better job then busting rock with your head. The economy still isn't that great so people aren't hiring, and recent grads are getting the shaft because of it, but that's just the way it is. Life sucks all over.

Vault101:

Sansha:
snip.

we have homeless too....

I think its a bit rich to dismiss any and all concerns when your clearly saying how great you have it..again the US is different

sure complaing about the systm isn't going to help but thats not to say it doesnt have some serious issues

My philosophy is if you sleep on a mattress with food in your stomach and artificial light on your skin, and you'll definitely wake up healthy, not murdered and with more food available, you have exactly nothing to complain about. Everything above what you have to be alive is just details. If that's not enough for you, there's only one person in the world who's going to make it better. Can you tell me who that is?

I find it despicable that people are incapable of living within their means, and all they do is whine about what they don't have, blaming the rich and the government for all of their problems.

You're talking to a man who dropped out of high-school eight years ago at sixteen, didn't even consider college, and has enough money to buy a house, but won't because it's not a paying asset. I'm living well below my means and sacrificing a lot because I have goals much bigger than the almost robotic 'college > job > family > forty years later > retire > die' lifestyle most people 'aspire' to.

Sansha:
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My philosophy is if you sleep on a mattress with food in your stomach and artificial light on your skin, and you'll definitely wake up healthy, not murdered and with more food available, you have exactly nothing to complain about.

no actually...I think you might

You're talking to a man who dropped out of high-school eight years ago at sixteen, didn't even consider college, and has enough money to buy a house, but won't because it's not a paying asset. I'm living well below my means and sacrificing a lot because I have goals much bigger than the almost robotic 'college > job > family > forty years later > retire > die' lifestyle most people 'aspire' to.

...like what?

your sounding like one of those people.."I dont have a probelm! I dont get what everyone elses problem is! CLEARLY theres just somthing wrong with everyone else except me!"

Darken12:
Seek therapy, for one, since it seems like you might be heading towards dark places and could use a little cheering up and reframing of your life, choices and possibilities.

As for the rest, I really frown on saying "woe be me, the young person! It is my age range, and not the senior citizens, who are falling through the cracks of society!" because yeah, senior citizens have it far worse. At least you can work at Walmart, McDonalds or a cubicle, and make enough money to support yourself. And you have, you know. Health and a strong, able body (and if you don't, you are still a healthcare priority before the elderly).

But yeah, I suppose saying "they have it worse!" isn't very helpful. I just really disapprove of pretending that one's own problems are the absolute worst (I think drama should be rationed according to severity, not according to how much it personally affects you. Otherwise everything would be 100% dramatic 100% of the time. And I can't take that much drama).

But yeah, look, nobody's asking you to devote your life to something you don't enjoy doing. Just pick a degree that will let you live comfortably (Medicine, Law, Nursing, something Science-related, Business (or Administration), etc), perhaps after seeing a career counsellor, and then find what you truly enjoy doing, what makes your life worth living, and do that in your spare time. Even if you work 10 hours a day, that still leaves you with 4 to 6 hours a day to do what you love.

You seem to have read a different OP then I did if you think he claimed to have the absolute worst problems. You seem to hate drama but your post seems to be interested in nothing but inciting drama. Also telling someone they need therapy because they are having trouble feeling optimistic about the job market is fucked up. That's insulting and it makes your whole post seem little more than an attempt to belittle the OP. Pointing out that someone else always has it worse is just stupid. We know other people have it worse, he was asking for some advice and you berate him for it? You'd think he said screw the old people, us young guys have it harder based on your post. It's not one or the other, both groups are having trouble and its only fair that they both seek out help. He asked for advice, if you can't offer someone advice without belittling them then you really should not offer advice. Don't derail the thread.

To the OP: Hang in there man, I know it isn't easy. The best advice I can offer is network. In whatever area you wish to work, meet people, make friends. It's disheartening that actual abilities matter less than who you know but that's how it is.

Vault101:

no actually...I think you might

Specify.

...like what?

There's this beautiful four-acre estate on Lake Taupo in NZ I'd like to retire on, but I need three million dollars, so that's my life's ambition, and the only way I'm going to get there is by not spending a dollar out of place.

your sounding like one of those people.."I dont have a probelm! I dont get what everyone elses problem is! CLEARLY theres just somthing wrong with everyone else except me!"

That's about the short of it.

The measure of the complaints I hear out of people our age regarding the economy is that they can't get jobs in the fields they want, while there's always massive demand for tradesmen and other professions, and I entirely fail to sympathize, and truthfully the Occupy movement furthered my disdain. I've lived on the poverty line, I started from nothing and I'm well on my way to my goals, and thus I sincerely do not understand how others are incapable of that.

Welcome to the magic of a dream. Once upon a time college degrees and internships set an applicant apart from others, so more people started doing both. Which brings us up to today, where enough people have that experience and its no longer a distinguishing factor. It's a bummer, but I wouldn't lose heart. I'm 21, and about to graduate, but I'm still weirdly optimistic. There's work out there, even in a field as oddly specific as mine. That said, I've had plenty of friends who have wandered the wilderness for months or years looking for it. It's not perfect, but it's hardly grounds for despair quite yet. When it gets to that point, there's always the barricades.

Here's a news flash: college degrees are useless, unless you've taken a practical one. Most of them boil down to knowing some stuff, yes, but not enough to actually be of a lot of use. The only use for a Bachelor's degree is that it allows you to get a master's and a phd.

Sansha:

Specify.

I dont know but having food and somwhere to sleep doesnt mean you can't have problems, I'm sure you are aware of the many probelms a person can face in life

The measure of the complaints I hear out of people our age regarding the economy is that they can't get jobs in the fields they want, while there's always massive demand for tradesmen and other professions

thats a big over simplification....alot of people can't get jobs in feilds that are thourght to be VERY employable...some people can't get mcdonalds jobs. some peopel get caught in the catch 22 of no experience..go on..ask those people here WHY they couldnt get jobs...

I entirely fail to sympathize

you cannot possibly comprehend that not everyone is as awsome as you? did I not say several times you might want to consider that America is a bit different to your country?

I've lived on the poverty line, I started from nothing and I'm well on my way to my goals, and thus I sincerely do not understand how others are incapable of that.

I started from nothing and I'm well on my way to my goals

I'm well on my way to my goals

my goals

they can't get jobs in the fields they want, while there's always massive demand for tradesmen and other professions

I'm seeing some dissonance here

Vault101:

I dont know but having food and somwhere to sleep doesnt mean you can't have problems, I'm sure you are aware of the many probelms a person can face in life

I believe people will always complain, no matter how good they have it. It's human nature to find something to complain about and want more more more. Personally I could not be more fucking grateful to be living in the Western world. We have it so unbelievably good, and jealousy for what other people have only motivates me to attain it for myself. Success is the best revenge.

thats a big over simplification....alot of people can't get jobs in feilds that are thourght to be VERY employable...

Gambled and lost.

some people can't get mcdonalds jobs. some peopel get caught in the catch 22 of no experience..go on..ask those people here WHY they couldnt get jobs...

Now I'm with you on this, in not being able to get jobs at McDonald's etc, but really all you can do about that is fire off your resume to literally every commercial establishment you can think of, and try to make a good impression. I was lucky in that when I dropped out of high school, I had a McJob lined up.

you cannot possibly comprehend that not everyone is as awsome as you? did I not say several times you might want to consider that America is a bit different to your country?

I constantly hear that America is the wealthiest, most powerful nation on Earth. The land of opportunity! Is this not the case anymore?

I'm seeing some dissonance here

Did I mention I'm not employed anymore? I obviously had to work a regular job to acquire some capital. Now I'm in the tenancy market. Save money, make house deposit, continue working and rent out the house, pay it off, repeat. Now while that chugs along in the background, I put whatever profit into a long-term bank deposit, which generates more income per annum, and I fill my days doing freelance acting for TV and commercials.
I believe anyone is capable of this. My grandfather did the same thing, only he was fucking homeless while saving for his first and second deposits. Slept at the railway station he was working at, while training in carpentry by working for the government building low-income housing for returning veterans circa 1946. At age 15 - 20.

Sansha:

I believe people will always complain, no matter how good they have it. It's human nature to find something to complain about and want more more more. Personally I could not be more fucking grateful to be living in the Western world. We have it so unbelievably good, and jealousy for what other people have only motivates me to attain it for myself. Success is the best revenge.

some problems go beyond simple first world problems...while yes living in a first world is almost like winning the birth lottery some problems are still problems

Gambled and lost.

not gambling...but doing what everyone told them was the path to sucess doing the "hard" stuff and working hard...you dont always have the foresight to avoid certain things..

I constantly hear that America is the wealthiest, most powerful nation on Earth. The land of opportunity! Is this not the case anymore?

eather your joking or your seriously out of touch with reality

life doesnt work by step by step instructions...there are FAR too many factors, what worked for you may not work for everyone..especially given how times change. also the 1940's were a VERY different time to today

Yeah its not only in the allmighty US but right here in the backend of Europe(Latvian Empire) too finished school got 3rd class(thats before 4th which is highest) computersistems technician degree and I am working as a janitor - Yard keeper for a minimal wage because I'm not needed... If i had money i would imigrate to Estonia or Finland or Sweden but still...

kgpspyguy:
Work isn't supposed to be fun.

[citation needed]

BADLY.

Am I doing something wrong, having fun with my work? Am I not doing it the way I'm "supposed" to be doing it?

Oh and maybe you haven't noticed but people have been upset about not even being able to get work in the first place.

So, I reported your post for low content and flamebaiting.

IS the OP even around anymore? I do hope so.

@Sutter_Cane

Basically, not everything is worth studying from an employment perspective. Hard science is good, especially directly applicable, like medicine. While languages or philosophy might be good for personal development, it's just not going to guarantee a job at all. If anything, you'll be over-qualified for a bunch of jobs.

That being said, it's still well possible to use that education by yourself, use the knowledge you gained to be a writer or such. But you'll have to use it yourself. Someone hiring you because you studied such a course is unlikely.

You have to go after it. My parents did, back in the day. They both worked full-time and went to evening school in their twenties. My ma saw potential in the computer (and thought it was interesting), and became one of the first comp. people in the company she worked for back then. That took more courses, and more work. Then as the company grew, so did her position - because she actively went to seminars, signed up for courses and all that, and now she's pretty comfortable there. But it was a lot of work.

No one is facing a dead end. But you might damn well be facing a mountain to climb, depending on your education and financial situation. And you have to climb it yourself. It's very rare to just 'roll' into the position you want. And even the hard science - medicine peeps, they network and make a lot of contacts in university, and your teachers vouch for you when you eventually get out and get a job.

So find something you're passionate about, and go for it. Go for it entirely. There's more people than jobs, and you'll have to be the best of the lot to get the position. Good luck.

Circleseer:

You have to go after it. My parents did, back in the day. They both worked full-time and went to evening school in their twenties. My ma saw potential in the computer (and thought it was interesting), and became one of the first comp. people in the company she worked for back then. That took more courses, and more work. Then as the company grew, so did her position - because she actively went to seminars, signed up for courses and all that, and now she's pretty comfortable there. But it was a lot of work.

*points at the other posts about how the baby boomers' generation didn't have to deal with the debts incurred by the previous one the way the current young generation has to deal with the situation*

I agree you have to "go after it", but intergenerational comparisons are kind of weak on this subject, because times have really changed.

So find something you're passionate about, and go for it. Go for it entirely. There's more people than jobs, and you'll have to be the best of the lot to get the position. Good luck.

Still in agreement about "going for it", but this is another thing I take issue with, saying this so lightly. Sure, if you go for it and get that job, you're not getting left out, but someone still is. And that's a problem that needs to be tackled from both sides. While it's entirely reasonable to tell people to play the cards they're dealt, there should be an effort to reshuffle the deck as well...since, while anyone can play their hand, everyone can't.

Right I hijacked your post a little there to push an agenda, apologies for that...it's just that the situation isn't simple...

here is an easy check list for the projection of your employability and/or job security

do you have...

a) a job training in a blue collar job that someone from a foreign labor market can do as well for less money? -> you loose!

b) an education for a non specialised white collar job (administration, lower management)that someone from a foreign labor market can do as well for less money -> you loose!

c) an education for a technical job (technicans and some engineers)where in the near future the amount of computer-assisted work is going to rise? -> you loose!

d) an education for a job, where there hasn't been a declared intention for support from the economic system and practical politics (most social and cultural jobs)? -> you loose!

e) an education and skillset that makes you one of the few high-performers that can't be replaced or abolished that easily? -> you win the game, congratulations...

Same thing in Britain as well. And those cracks are actually gaping chasms.

Virgilthepagan:
Welcome to the magic of a dream. Once upon a time college degrees and internships set an applicant apart from others, so more people started doing both. Which brings us up to today, where enough people have that experience and its no longer a distinguishing factor. It's a bummer, but I wouldn't lose heart. I'm 21, and about to graduate, but I'm still weirdly optimistic. There's work out there, even in a field as oddly specific as mine. That said, I've had plenty of friends who have wandered the wilderness for months or years looking for it. It's not perfect, but it's hardly grounds for despair quite yet. When it gets to that point, there's always the barricades.

That optimism will vanish very, very quickly.


Entertaining, interesting and relevant I think.

Something does have to be done about our "modern" education systems.

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