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pyshic super hobos. Awesome

I remember watching some sort of teaser for this on X-Play. Wasn't there some sort of petty love interest somewhere in the middle of the game? Not that I care, just thought it would be another little thing to have a jab at during the review.

Yahtzee brings the truth no matter how bad it hurts.

I was easily amused by the random cameo of the TARDIS and the Evil Fu Manchu!

why does this game bring back memories of the old static shock comics,

they durably had super powered hobo's in that too ^^

I was expecting at least a mention of the comic-relief sidekick that annoyed the hell out of me while watching a friend play it. And as far as sandbox games go...this is about as good as it gets. The combat is integrated into the movement and stunts incredibly well. Crackdown 2 is doomed.

Akramelag:
Because, yes, if you haven't realised it, Yahtzee's joke isn't even about the party itself. It's about the voters who vote blindly for a party, without questioning its actions or values. It could apply to many Democratic Party voters, too...but it just so happens that the Republicans are easier to laugh at right now, for obvious reasons.

What reasons? That they have no power at all and can't even filibuster right now, and that all of the ridiculous policies being dreamt up that are destroying the world economy right now have nothing to do with them?

Because Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert were also insisting that the Republicans were easier to laugh at when they had all of the power and were making all of the policy decisions, too. When do you suppose you liberals will decide that it's easier to laugh at yourselves? Because we've run the full gamut of possible situations over the last ten years or so and I still haven't seen one of you make an anti-Democrat joke outside of "the Democrats are funny because they're not liberal enough!"

Huh. When he started talking about the game, I though he was talking about Prototype... In retrospect, Prototype is much more fun...

Awesome review as always... although fallout 3 did a really nice karma system, giving you some middle ground, i think its a good idea these good/evil meters, they just need some work, giving you more middle ground and not making you feel like a total douche at the end if you are bad.

hcig:

did you sign up just to tell us that?

you are right, todays repubs are not yesterdays, but not for those reasons

the repubs have been taken over by RINOs, THATS why they are not the same, and dont you dare call them "pregressives" they were liberals

and when a liberal meets his goal, he becomes conservative. its that simple, and starting with repubs like teddy, the party began to go the pregressive, and terrible route.

also, im sorry, whats that bit about republicans only voting cause their grandpap did?

where have you been? the dems have had a HIVEMIND for ages now, SOME republicans dont care about politics, and just vote for the "R" though its harder to find a free thinking leftard, hope you realized that (which would mean you werent one of them)

You do realise that I said "It could apply to many Democratic Party voters, too"? Yes? If not, read it again. Both parties have roughly 40% (probably more) of voters who will never vote for the other party in their entire life. As I said, the joke was made on the Republicans because they are easier to laugh at. Also, because Yahtzee is clearly, politically, more of a Liberal than Conservative. Once again, big news.

Secondly, "pregressive" is not a word, and I didn't use it. What I did use is "progressist", which means they were advocates of social change, and, by extension, liberals. I don't see how you could contradict me on that, but oh well.

Oh, and I know you probably can't read very well, but look at the date I joined, and ask yourself whether I signed up "just to tell [you] that". Long time listener, first time poster.

Pellucid:
What reasons? That they have no power at all and can't even filibuster right now, and that all of the ridiculous policies being dreamt up that are destroying the world economy right now have nothing to do with them?

Because Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert were also insisting that the Republicans were easier to laugh at when they had all of the power and were making all of the policy decisions, too. When do you suppose you liberals will decide that it's easier to laugh at yourselves? Because we've run the full gamut of possible situations over the last ten years or so and I still haven't seen one of you make an anti-Democrat joke outside of "the Democrats are funny because they're not liberal enough!"

Nothing that "deep", pal. They're only easier to laugh at because they keep saying the most ridiculous shit on...well, pretty much everything. Sarah Palin, anyone? And sadly, she was only the tip of the iceberg...

As for the Democrats' alledged destruction of the economy...

You.

Sir.

Are retarded.

Ah, I love it when Yahtzee reviews a good game. I totally agree on that asinine moral choice system with its dumbass false dichotomy of "good" and "evil." It always seems so tacked on and forced, and of all the games I played or saw with that system I think the one that utilized it best was...don't lynch me...Shadow the Hedgehog. Say what you will about that game but at least its moral choice system actually provided 5 basic paths and 10 endings instead of only 2, and had a neutral option.

Also, I'm reminded of his Saints Row 2 review where he said he wanted a sandbox game where you play a batman villain, I remember other reviewers comparing this game to a comic book, and that's the first thing I thought of ^_^

The crack about jump starting the cart the fatties ride on in Walmart was a classic and the reason I come back to watch these each week.
He's got a knack for knocking shit games into their proper place.

I agree fully with Yatz about the moral system in games being crap. Your reputation needs to be who your are and what you did, not a simple good/kinda good/neutral/kinda bad/bad system. And inFAMOUS didn't help at all. But inFAMOUS does add an interesting element. While its a simple A or B choice, at least you have to act the appropriate actions out in-game instead of just choosing a dialogue branch.

Pellucid:
Dear Yahtzee: Please find some new material or quit while you're ahead. When you're ending an episode on a hackneyed political joke that sounds like Jon Stewart on a bad day, it's time to re-examine whether or not you still have any jokes worth telling and, if not, to make up some new ones.

Hmm, I rather liked his political humor, and thought this whole review was pretty damn hilarious. Perhaps you are a Republican? Perhaps you are aware that there are other political viewpoints?
Wait, didn't his republican joke take up like .5 seconds of the whole review?

This is a kind of generous review for infamous...

Not that it's a bad game and I can't find much wrong with it either. It has some strong design elements, controls well, plays very smoothly, but kind of lacks punch and excitement. It isn't quite dripping with the cool factor. Which all adds up to it being a respectable game, but not great.

Now: working on deadlines, sitting on piles of money, all this the week prototype is coming out... I don't know, I hope Yahtzee isn't becoming another corporate bitch.

Akramelag:

hcig:

did you sign up just to tell us that?

you are right, todays repubs are not yesterdays, but not for those reasons

the repubs have been taken over by RINOs, THATS why they are not the same, and dont you dare call them "pregressives" they were liberals

and when a liberal meets his goal, he becomes conservative. its that simple, and starting with repubs like teddy, the party began to go the pregressive, and terrible route.

also, im sorry, whats that bit about republicans only voting cause their grandpap did?

where have you been? the dems have had a HIVEMIND for ages now, SOME republicans dont care about politics, and just vote for the "R" though its harder to find a free thinking leftard, hope you realized that (which would mean you werent one of them)

You do realise that I said "It could apply to many Democratic Party voters, too"? Yes? If not, read it again. Both parties have roughly 40% (probably more) of voters who will never vote for the other party in their entire life. As I said, the joke was made on the Republicans because they are easier to laugh at. Also, because Yahtzee is clearly, politically, more of a Liberal than Conservative. Once again, big news.

Secondly, "pregressive" is not a word, and I didn't use it. What I did use is "progressist", which means they were advocates of social change, and, by extension, liberals. I don't see how you could contradict me on that, but oh well.

Oh, and I know you probably can't read very well, but look at the date I joined, and ask yourself whether I signed up "just to tell [you] that". Long time listener, first time poster.

Pellucid:
What reasons? That they have no power at all and can't even filibuster right now, and that all of the ridiculous policies being dreamt up that are destroying the world economy right now have nothing to do with them?

Because Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert were also insisting that the Republicans were easier to laugh at when they had all of the power and were making all of the policy decisions, too. When do you suppose you liberals will decide that it's easier to laugh at yourselves? Because we've run the full gamut of possible situations over the last ten years or so and I still haven't seen one of you make an anti-Democrat joke outside of "the Democrats are funny because they're not liberal enough!"

Nothing that "deep", pal. They're only easier to laugh at because they keep saying the most ridiculous shit on...well, pretty much everything. Sarah Palin, anyone? And sadly, she was only the tip of the icebarg...

As for the Democrats' alledged destruction of the economy...

You.

Sir.

Are retarded.

Oh, I see the political discussion was well on its way. For .5 seconds of political humor!
Yahtzee, you are one controversial dude!
anyways, for the record, if republicans get their way, the world will be destroyed in atomic fire to usher in the second coming of jesus.

I really love the point about moral systems. Yahtzee's clarity in discussing this has really reached an epitome. It's such an arbitrary system to force on a player, the angel vs demon thing, and it plays on the shallowest of cultural archetypes, and fixing what powers are open to a player over this is dumb.

One of the wizardries .... 4 was it? had a system where you gain different reputations with different factions.

This seems like the thing to develop, rather than GvE morality.

Like, do some favors for one group, and they start to like you, but then steal from them, and they start locking their doors around you and eying you suspiciously, but they'll still work with you, and then go pretend to be nice to another group while you're really spying on them, and they are all your friend until you betray them, then they all leap to their feet when you enter their meeting areas and rush you with blades, except for a few who still secretly like you.

Because morality,in terms of its outward manifestation, is really about reputation, perception, and the law.

I guess Bethesda does something like this, but it's hard to have a satisfactory array of game conclusions...

There's also an inner reflection on morality, but this gets complicated. Assuming a positive, healthy character, if the player plays the character against this nature and kills everyone, then the character should start going batshit crazy. Vice-versa, a socially insane person who a player plays as good might have some kind of revelation. Or go batshit crazy.

As far as conclusions go, there should be a few of very distinct endings based on player's actions : like, the shadow monster wins and no one has a shadow anymore, or the imperialists win and the world becomes rigid and strict, or the hippies win and everyone uses drugs and dances all the time, or there is some kind of draw, and war continues for ages, and the world is obliterated, or a rift is opened to another dimension and a bunch of people leave to live on a world populated by delicious marshmallow animals.

yzzlthtz:
I really love the point about moral systems. Yahtzee's clarity in discussing this has really reached an epitome. It's such an arbitrary system to force on a player, the angel vs demon thing, and it plays on the shallowest of cultural archetypes, and fixing what powers are open to a player over this is dumb.

One of the wizardries .... 4 was it? had a system where you gain different reputations with different factions.

This seems like the thing to develop, rather than GvE morality.

Like, do some favors for one group, and they start to like you, but then steal from them, and they start locking their doors around you and eying you suspiciously, but they'll still work with you, and then go pretend to be nice to another group while you're really spying on them, and they are all your friend until you betray them, then they all leap to their feet when you enter their meeting areas and rush you with blades, except for a few who still secretly like you.

Because morality,in terms of its outward manifestation, is really about reputation, perception, and the law.

I guess Bethesda does something like this, but it's hard to have a satisfactory array of game conclusions...

There's also an inner reflection on morality, but this gets complicated. Assuming a positive, healthy character, if the player plays the character against this nature and kills everyone, then the character should start going batshit crazy. Vice-versa, a socially insane person who a player plays as good might have some kind of revelation. Or go batshit crazy.

As far as conclusions go, there should be a few of very distinct endings based on player's actions : like, the shadow monster wins and no one has a shadow anymore, or the imperialists win and the world becomes rigid and strict, or the hippies win and everyone uses drugs and dances all the time, or there is some kind of draw, and war continues for ages, and the world is obliterated, or a rift is opened to another dimension and a bunch of people leave to live on a world populated by delicious marshmallow animals.

Wow i mean just Wow. that is creative. You sir should become a game desinger we need crazy shit like this happening more often. For last year i got my fix with No more heroes but i need some more Phycodeic games since i cant use drugs.

even when he likes the game (a bit) still the funniest shit ever

The beginning was exceedingly angry. Like, "Not really funny at all, just someone who sounds like they had a really, really bad day."

When the mood changed, it went away, but I still had a headache afterwards. Not really sure why I got a headache from the beginning. Kind of odd.

The end bit was great. Bam, offworld slavery.

Akramelag:
Nothing that "deep", pal. They're only easier to laugh at because they keep saying the most ridiculous shit on...well, pretty much everything. Sarah Palin, anyone? And sadly, she was only the tip of the iceberg...

As for the Democrats' alledged destruction of the economy...

You.

Sir.

Are retarded.

Hate to break it to you, bro, but the Republicans I know of think that the Democrats are the ones saying "the most ridiculous shit." That is to say, everyone thinks that everyone who says things they disagree with is saying "ridiculous shit." Oh, and Sarah Palin is nowhere near the retard that Joe Biden is. At least she never revealed any national secrets. And she never plagiarized. And she never made up ridiculous bullshit about how her family worked jobs they've never worked a day at in their lives, and she never threatened to shoot Barack Obama, and she never tried to incite national panic about the Swine Flu. That's not even the entire list.

So how do you figure it is that the Democrats didn't destroy the economy? They've been in power for over two years, and almost all of the legislation that is causing the problems we have now was penned by Democrats. Gee, I wonder why Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac weren't being watched? It sure is a coincidence that those two organizations gave over ten times as much in campaign contributions to Democrats than to Republicans! Yep, sure is coincidental...

Also, it's not like John McCain called for an investigation of F-Mae and F-Mac over two years ago. Oh wait. Yes it is. And as I seem to recall, it was the Democrats who said that there was no need for an investigation because everything was fine.

tkwelge:
I never really saw what was so controversial about rupert murdoch and fox news. They give an outlet for people on both sides of the aisle to speak, and the host of Red Eye is a libertarian. Soft christian fascism? Come on now...... Yes, there are idealogues on fox news, but they exist on every network. How come John Stewart isn't a "talking head." He has a massive writing staff and only talks for about maybe an hour a week on the air. Viacom played the liberal game for decades. Why are they not as evil as Fox? Personally, I don't watch fox news because it is boring and still not real libertarian news. But when I do watch it, I just have to ask, "What is all the fuss about?"

John Stewart has a show on Comedy Central.

If you get your world news from Comedy fucking Central, you have far bigger issues than Repub v. Dem

I have to agree with him on the "morality" thing present in many video games. Though there are a few exceptions (I personally think Fallout 3 did it pretty well as often there are many permutations as to how you will proceed through a mission. Also, even if your goal is to be a totally evil bastard you may end up doing good things out of necessity, something that isn't accomplished often in games), it seems that games tend to limit you to being totally evil or totally good with very little advantage to being in the middle. Or you end up with something like Bioshock, where your 2 options only change the ending cutscene.

Hi, great master of continous talking,

I've just registered after watching all your reviews to tell you that you are doing _really_ good work! I'm trusting your reviews more than those of every game magazine around since they are not only hilarious, but also are sincere and tell the utter truth about the games. You point out the bad points average magazines dare not to mention because they fear that the publishers might cancel their advertising contracts as a consequence. So when you consider a game actually good, it is a _must-buy_ :)
Please keep up your work, although the constant swearing isn't needed and sometimes overdone, you are the best critic out there! Keep going, your fanbase loves you

(Please apology my bad english, I'm not a native speaker)

that was really short

thats what I did in KOTOR, acted all nice untill the end and then bam, super evil.

I, like many here, thought he was going to review Red Faction, and seeing as I'l be buying it soon would like a reliable review, but it's probably not out in Australia.

Great review and a great game. I see a mix of a lot of games in inFamous.

Mirrors Edge: Movements
Crackdown: Sandbox and Climbing

and a mix of others thrown in. The game itself is quite fun....but I am a little disgruntled that it is a game that is basically a collection of stolen ideas....except for the Electric powers thing.

FloodOne:
John Stewart has a show on Comedy Central.

If you get your world news from Comedy fucking Central, you have far bigger issues than Repub v. Dem

I know a lot of people who don't watch regular news but DO watch the Daily Show. I've also had dozens of people argue to me that the Daily Show is "more fair and balanced than Fox News is."

Besides, just sub "Jon Stewart" out and put "Keith Olberman" in his place and the comment still stands.

the best laff was all the way at the end...
"finaly a super hero who can justify why he can't swim"

"Finally a hero in a sandbox game that can justify why he cannot swim"
Best part of the video. It was entertaining, but sadly not funny enough. I would also have liked more details on the game.

Hey, you learned a new word! "Republican". Good for you! I see you're eager to put it to use, looking for ways to squeeze it into your rants over the past few weeks. How edgey and topical of you! Even though you missed the Bush Bashing Bandwagon, I appreciate your efforts to try and fit in with the young American crowd by repeating the trite stereotypical characterizations you've found on most gaming forums. Although I'm not sure how well you can pull it off these days. It's hard to seriously bash Republicans when the Democrats now have dictatorial level control of the government, and are seizing power and property at a rate that makes even Hugo Chavez blush.

bodyklok:

624:
I thought he was going to review red faction...

:'(

not out yet I think.

it is out, actually. Been out for like, a full week.

And I was hoping he'd review it too D:

That actually makes sense...why do we have to choose to ethier be good or evil fully? Everyone is a mixture just depends on ur beliefs of what to be more of...ppl still do wrong so yeah good point there. I loved this, lol idk if this game even fun it seems "simple"

Trenchgun:
Hey, you learned a new word! "Republican". Good for you! I see you're eager to put it to use, looking for ways to squeeze it into your rants over the past few weeks. How edgey and topical of you! Even though you missed the Bush Bashing Bandwagon, I appreciate your efforts to try and fit in with the young American crowd by repeating the trite stereotypical characterizations you've found on most gaming forums. Although I'm not sure how well you can pull it off these days. It's hard to seriously bash Republicans when the Democrats now have dictatorial level control of the government, and are seizing power and property at a rate that makes even Hugo Chavez blush.

This rant was more clever and creative than Yahtzee's entire review.

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