245: Gunners and Gamers

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While, I agree Guns and Games don't instantly mean your going to run out and Gun down the nearest 7-11. Just for your Coke and Chili dogs, the second amendment is simply a useless thing now. It was written during revolutionary times, when England/France/Spain/Mexico could still go ape shit on the U.S. over land and spices. Now a days, attacks on U.S. soil that could result in a potential take over and or loss of land without our right to own a gun is nearly impossible. Sure you can argue 9/11, but honestly would guns really have helped prevent it when the planes were already in the air?

If there's one thing I've learned from my years of history study, its that the bill of rights has a few amendments that simply aren't valid any more. Mainly Quartering soldiers against our will, because again there hasn't been any wars on u.s. soil in a very very long time.

I play videogames, I shoot 3 gun ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9YYgfBpIKE ), I keep my guns in a safe, I live in California, and I vote against anti-gun legislation or legislators.

California law says that an M1A is an assault weapon if it has a bayonet lug. We don't have a problem with bayonetting in this state, but we have do have a problem with people surrendering their liberties [and mine, too!] for the illusion of safety.

Mr.PlanetEater:
While, I agree Guns and Games don't instantly mean your going to run out and Gun down the nearest 7-11. Just for your Coke and Chili dogs, the second amendment is simply a useless thing now. It was written during revolutionary times, when England/France/Spain/Mexico could still go ape shit on the U.S. over land and spices. Now a days, attacks on U.S. soil that could result in a potential take over and or loss of land without our right to own a gun is nearly impossible. Sure you can argue 9/11, but honestly would guns really have helped prevent it when the planes were already in the air?

If there's one thing I've learned from my years of history study, its that the bill of rights has a few amendments that simply aren't valid any more. Mainly Quartering soldiers against our will, because again there hasn't been any wars on u.s. soil in a very very long time.

And yet its odd that in the history of the decision to have the bill of rights those founding fathers that insisted it be included in the package deal did so to ratify the Constitution and to enumerate absolutely those rights which should never be surrendered. Madison originally didn't want a Bill of Rights. He said that the rights, even the unspoken ones, were understood to already come from the constitution. Luckily he changed his mind and worked to have the rights that the majority of the original colonies/states insisted be present attached to the Constitution. That we should be able to speak freely, that we should be able to bare arms for ourselves as people and not strictly for the state, the right to privacy, Grand Juries, Jury trials...

If anything, I think a case could be made that by fighting two wars overseas, and the cost associated with those actions, that taxes here have become the De Facto quartering of a soldier. I'm not saying pull the plug or anything, but someone with a bit more experience could make a compelling argument that the amount of financial strain felt by families is somewhat similar to the cost of quartering....

And you don't need a foreign power to effect an invasion that confiscates land, firearms, and personal freedoms. We have locals that are just as good for such heinous things.

http://www.amazon.com/Great-New-Orleans-Gun-Grab/dp/0970981333/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I373FBFHSIT0C4&colid=32U2UXG7DUU08

Mr.PlanetEater:
Just for your Coke and Chili dogs...

I just needed to add that a chili dog sounds REALLY good right about now! :)

This is a really great article! Your comparison to racing games was very spot-on and clever.

hey Russ cool new avatar that picture of you reminds me of Kane.

anyways that was a good article, quick question did you have to hire a model for the article picture?

shlom:
I play videogames, I shoot 3 gun ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9YYgfBpIKE ), I keep my guns in a safe, I live in California, and I vote against anti-gun legislation or legislators.

California law says that an M1A is an assault weapon if it has a bayonet lug. We don't have a problem with bayonetting in this state, but we have do have a problem with people surrendering their liberties [and mine, too!] for the illusion of safety.

"A man who gives up freedom for security deserves neither." - Ben Franklin

I really don't want to get into this but there are quite a number of very stupid arguments that made in the forum.

Gun Myths:
http://rpginn.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=200&Itemid=39

1. Police are not there to serve and protect. Not in the USA and probably most of the world. They are they to ENFORCE THE LAW and MAINTAIN THE GENERAL PEACE. In the USA you can't sue the police for failure to protect. In other words if you got killed or hurt by a criminal it is not the police fault for failure to protect.

Police aren't bodyguards. Police don't work for you. Police work for the government and enforce government laws. You own safety is in your own hand.

2. Rights and Privilege. The difference between rights and privilege are: Rights are in the foundation of the law, ie constitution. Rights are very hard to take away. In the USA you need 2/3 Senate, 2/3 House, 2/3 State (in some state government 2/3 of the state congress must sign off on it), and the President must sign it. In other words it is almost impossible to repeal any rights in the constitution. Government can't tax rights. Government can't license rights. Government can't force you to take a test in order to receive that right. Government can't take away your rights on a dime if they wanted too.

If it is not stated on your constitution it is not a right. It is a privilege. For example driver license is a privilege. The government can take it away for any reasons or no reason at all. You have to pay a fee/tax and go take a driving test in order to get your license. The government can pass laws through simple majority to change how the privilege works or get rid of it entirely.

Politicians are lying when they said it is a right but that right isn't in the constitution. Any right that isn't in the foundation of the social contract, ie the constitution isn't a right. It is a privilege.

3. In the USA, the SCOTUS has ruled that guns are individual rights. Just like the Freedom of Speech.

4. Our founding fathers made gun right the second most important rights in the US Constitution behind Freedom of Speech. The second amendment protect the 9 other amendments from the government.

Our founding fathers gave us a way to protect ourselves and if needed to change the government.

Our founding fathers trusted the people judgments much much more then the government.

5. Gun control doesn't reduce crime. It actually increases crime.
For example:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/crimeew0506.html
http://spectator.org/archives/2006/04/10/three-strikes-and-youre-in-lik
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article7826.ece

5. Guns are use more in protection then in crime. Three to five times more every year. Millions American prevent themselves from being a victim every year.

Russ Pitts, you are awesome.

Sadly, I am a "casual" gun owner. I bought a smith and wesson 500 for hunting and target shooting, and a mossberg 930- same reason. I read a book on handgun safety (necessary in California) but since people are not allowed to carry guns on their person in California- since we are only allowed to use them for target shooting and hunting- I never bothered getting much training in using it. My logic was that since I am not going to carry it around, and would only use it for hunting/target shooting, I would be fine as long as I only loaded it at the forest/shooting range, and never aimed it anywhere but my target until after I unloaded it, I wouldn't need it.

I would like to learn more, to become more of a hardcore gun enthusiast- but time and distance limitations keep getting in the way. Gonna have to schedule a training session eventually though- see if there is any safety tips I may have missed.

jdun:
I really don't want to get into this but there are quite a number of very stupid arguments that made in the forum.

Gun Myths:
http://rpginn.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=200&Itemid=39

1. Police are not there to serve and protect. Not in the USA and probably most of the world. They are they to ENFORCE THE LAW and MAINTAIN THE GENERAL PEACE. In the USA you can't sue the police for failure to protect. In other words if you got killed or hurt by a criminal it is not the police fault for failure to protect.

Police aren't bodyguards. Police don't work for you. Police work for the government and enforce government laws. You own safety is in your own hand.

2. Rights and Privilege. The difference between rights and privilege are: Rights are in the foundation of the law, ie constitution. Rights are very hard to take away. In the USA you need 2/3 Senate, 2/3 House, 2/3 State (in some state government 2/3 of the state congress must sign off on it), and the President must sign it. In other words it is almost impossible to repeal any rights in the constitution. Government can't tax rights. Government can't license rights. Government can't force you to take a test in order to receive that right. Government can't take away your rights on a dime if they wanted too.

If it is not stated on your constitution it is not a right. It is a privilege. For example driver license is a privilege. The government can take it away for any reasons or no reason at all. You have to pay a fee/tax and go take a driving test in order to get your license. The government can pass laws through simple majority to change how the privilege works or get rid of it entirely.

Politicians are lying when they said it is a right but that right isn't in the constitution. Any right that isn't in the foundation of the social contract, ie the constitution isn't a right. It is a privilege.

3. In the USA, the SCOTUS has ruled that guns are individual rights. Just like the Freedom of Speech.

4. Our founding fathers made gun right the second most important rights in the US Constitution behind Freedom of Speech. The second amendment protect the 9 other amendments from the government.

Our founding fathers gave us a way to protect ourselves and if needed to change the government.

Our founding fathers trusted the people judgments much much more then the government.

5. Gun control doesn't reduce crime. It actually increases crime.
For example:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/crimeew0506.html
http://spectator.org/archives/2006/04/10/three-strikes-and-youre-in-lik
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article7826.ece

5. Guns are use more in protection then in crime. Three to five times more every year. Millions American prevent themselves from being a victim every year.

You are also awesome. I am bookmarking this page.

HAHA, this article was awesome. I especially loved the last sentence, any idiot really can get a drivers liscence, it's scarry. Perhaps the DMV needs to update their driving tests with longer, stricter road tests.
I applaud this 5 page jourlalistic gold brick, Thank you Mr.Pitts.

A wonderful read with some great posts from fellow firearms enthusiasts in this thread.

I've only recently gotten into personally owning firearms, though I had never turned down a chance to go to the range with my friends. I've been gaming for about 20 years. I will admit, that when I first shot a firearm, I did understand a few basics just due to some tac shooters I had played. I.e. maintaining my breathing during shots, bullet drop, etc. but I still had the utmost respect for the firearm and did not treat it like a toy when I first shot one.

Like others, I enjoy the mental challenge of firearms shooting, and also the mechanical nature of them. Do I own a few guns? Yep, 5 at the moment. Hell, my last purchase was a pistol I bought on the cheap side soley because it is a fixer upper and it's good to learn how to troubleshoot things you own. Am I some lunatic because I am both a video game and firearm enthusiast? Nope.

Thankfully, the retards out there that think they know firearms just because they've played Counterstrike or Call of Duty are easily spotted from a mile away, and any good gun store owner will tell them to fuck off.

jdun:
I really don't want to get into this but there are quite a number of very stupid arguments that made in the forum.

Gun Myths:
http://rpginn.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=200&Itemid=39

1. Police are not there to serve and protect. Not in the USA and probably most of the world. They are they to ENFORCE THE LAW and MAINTAIN THE GENERAL PEACE. In the USA you can't sue the police for failure to protect. In other words if you got killed or hurt by a criminal it is not the police fault for failure to protect.

Police aren't bodyguards. Police don't work for you. Police work for the government and enforce government laws. You own safety is in your own hand.

2. Rights and Privilege. The difference between rights and privilege are: Rights are in the foundation of the law, ie constitution. Rights are very hard to take away. In the USA you need 2/3 Senate, 2/3 House, 2/3 State (in some state government 2/3 of the state congress must sign off on it), and the President must sign it. In other words it is almost impossible to repeal any rights in the constitution. Government can't tax rights. Government can't license rights. Government can't force you to take a test in order to receive that right. Government can't take away your rights on a dime if they wanted too.

If it is not stated on your constitution it is not a right. It is a privilege. For example driver license is a privilege. The government can take it away for any reasons or no reason at all. You have to pay a fee/tax and go take a driving test in order to get your license. The government can pass laws through simple majority to change how the privilege works or get rid of it entirely.

Politicians are lying when they said it is a right but that right isn't in the constitution. Any right that isn't in the foundation of the social contract, ie the constitution isn't a right. It is a privilege.

3. In the USA, the SCOTUS has ruled that guns are individual rights. Just like the Freedom of Speech.

4. Our founding fathers made gun right the second most important rights in the US Constitution behind Freedom of Speech. The second amendment protect the 9 other amendments from the government.

Our founding fathers gave us a way to protect ourselves and if needed to change the government.

Our founding fathers trusted the people judgments much much more then the government.

5. Gun control doesn't reduce crime. It actually increases crime.
For example:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/crimeew0506.html
http://spectator.org/archives/2006/04/10/three-strikes-and-youre-in-lik
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article7826.ece

5. Guns are use more in protection then in crime. Three to five times more every year. Millions American prevent themselves from being a victim every year.

Thank you for that post. As a gamer and a CCH permit holder, I thank you.

I have a Concealed Handgun License and I own a Smith & Wesson Sigma 9mm, a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 9mm, a Savage Arms model 11 .308 bolt action rifle, Saiga 7.62 x 39 (civilian AK-47), and an Armalite (AR-15)M-15 . I am a gun lover and a gamer. Both of my brothers are gun lovers and gamers too. It is more common than most people think. Especially among the military (both of my brothers are ex-military). Entertainment media (movies & games) is the worst way people can learn from. My experience is it helps with hand eye coordination but it can also teach bad habits. I don't have any problems confusing these two worlds.

The 4 rules of firearms
1) Always handle a firearm like it is loaded.
2) Never point a firearm at anything you don't intend to shoot.
3) Never put your finger on the trigger until your ready to fire it.
4) Make sure that your target is clear and that anything behind it is clear.

I've never held a real weapon, just fired a BB gun (one of those at the fair).
Furthermore, not many people have weapons in Germany and barely anyone sees the need to own one.
Interesting perspective in the article though ;)

Great read. Especially the statistics were interesting stuff.

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