Why Movies Suck Now Part Two: The Reality

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Surprised he forgot to mention some of the other staples of Hollywood in the 'Golden Age'

Mass production.

Churning out half a dozen films a month while working your actors to death with a pittance for a wage and basically firing anyone who was involved with a box office flop. (This is only partially an exaggeration)

If you really went back and watched every film from the Golden Age you'd realise that they probably had more shit than we do nowadays, it's just that our shit is marketed whether it's brilliant or whether it's Twilight, so we're more aware of it. And of course nostalgia changes all. We all remember Manos Hands of Fate as one of the worst movies ever made but in thirty years no one will remember Manos and everyone will (if sanity is restored) remember Twilight as being the worst movie ever made. I'm sure back when Manos was released there was a film from the thirties that was remembered as being awful.

Did your grandparents ever talk to you about movies? Mine did, and my grandfather was a film buff (he had a collection spanning nearly all of the big movies, as well as several independent art films and smaller budget productions for nearly sixty years of cinema) and he once told me that Star Wars was the film that he explicitly remembered changed everything for the better, and he didn't even like Star Wars. But basically he said that as far as he could see when he lived through it everything was getting boring and mish-mash and it looked like cinema was going under when suddenly Star Wars came along and films started being fun again.

And I'm sure when we're all grandparents we'll be saying 'I know you think it's bad now, but I remember 2010, when Iron Man 2 came out, and believe me kiddo, things have gotten better since.'

Nostalgia is the only reason people ever think anything is getting worse.

I think the main reason is #6 with the addition that when you're younger, you're

a) much easier to please and

2) tend to associate things with certain times in our lives. In other words, nostalgia.

For instance, I used to really like Candlebox because around that time, I had finally moved out of my parents house. I was a young man in the world. Lately, I don't listen to Candlebox all that much anymore. They are probably alright. I just don't care, really. When I hear the riff for "You" I'm not necessarily listening to the music so much as remembering what it was like to be in my twenties again.

So it is with movies. Lots of high school and collage aged kids go to the movies on dates. Now, how many thought Schindler's List was a great movie and not because of what was up on the screen, if you follow me?

Fact is, most things are shit. The good ones tend to be remembered. A similar argument is made about the plays of ancient Greece. They all seem decent because only the good ones survived.

But that nostalgia thing is a monster. I'm at an age now where I've sat and watched new generations come of age and start complaining how things are not as good as when they were young. Which the generation before them did, and the one before them did, and the one before them did, and mine did, and my parents' did, etc ad infinitum.

I guess it's just part of becoming an adult that you become harder to please and tend to look back fondly on your own past. Fact is, you thought everything was great when you were young because you were young and didn't know any better. I saw Howard the Duck in the theater and I loved it. Kids are stupid that way. Then you grow up and you go see, say, the Dungeons & Dragons movie and wonder why everything is shitty now, not like when you were a kid. The Dungeons & Dragons cartoon series was aces, you think. And then you get the DVD boxed set of the series and realize what an idiot you have always been.

I picked up the first season of the Muppet Show on DVD. I will not be getting the subsequent seasons. That show was fucking horrible. What the hell was I thinking watching that shit?

Spot1990:

Jacques 2:
Movie Theaters, had it coming. (Insanely) overpriced food, barring people from openly bringing food from other places into the theater, ticket prices (given there is a reason for this) and the damned stupid recycle your 3D glasses so we can sell them back to you next time. I like the rest of the article, but theaters get no sympathy from me, though I'm probably biased because they attempted to card me when I tried to get tickets for up, claiming I needed physical state marked proof that I was over 18 to buy tickets for a G movie, that and well, the prices.

The food is overpriced because we wouldn't be able to stay open if it wasn't in most cases we get about one or two euro per ticket. So even in a best case scenario in a six screen theatre like the one I work in a good day is about 2000 customers. 4000 euro (compared to weekdays when we'd usually draw in about 200-300 so 400 to 600 euro). Then the fact that the theaters are pretty much dead all week from September to May except for holidays and huge releases. We'd be lucky to break even if we charged regular store prices for the concessions. Besides we actually can't stop people bringing in food.

5 dollars for a small popcorn is beyond reasonable, and over here in the states the concessions are almost unused because of this. Lower prices will probably draw in more sales, but hell, the popcorn butter is cheap carcinogen filled crap. I see the theater packed day in and day out, and then hear about how badly they're doing on the news.

Always interesting.

Point 1 explains a lot, such as why commercials for a movie seem to totaly stop almost immediatly after release, but why any overall crappy movie can get a sequal if it was number 1 for one week.

Point 2 is a sad truth. I consider it a personal shame that Spirited Away had a lower domestic thetrical take than House of the Dead. We just won't try anything new or outside the box.

Point 3 can't be emphisized enough. People complain about so much reality TV, but it stays on because it's audience likes it while we'll take any inperfection in a show and complain about it until it's off the air. Film is no different. Why try another Watchment if it'll just be nitpicked apart?

Point 4 can't be blamed on the movie, but yeah, the theatre experience isn't what it used to be. Even if I ignore the ushers ignoring the girl behind me kicking my seat because they're too busy checking for outside food, I've been at two movies this year where the projector broke during the film, one time 3 times.

Point 5 is much like point two. They meet to appeal to the lowest common denominator and that is us.

Point 6 is another reality we should think about. While I think Sturgen's law is something to try and prove wrong, yeah, a lot of crap is out there. ?With older films we only know the good because that's all most people want to try and save. We forget the MST3K films were real moies that no doubt bombed at the box office. Nowadays, well, above people are raving about Terminator 2, but the 90s also gave us Wing Commander, Independance Day, Street Fighter, and other bombs. Lose the idealism, it never existed.

Those are all good reasons, especially the final one. I learned about the studio-theater relationship in my film class, incidentally.

To be honest, this is pretty much how it has always been, and how it likely always will be. The stupid and easily pleased (not the same, but certainly not mutually exclusive) will always form an overwhelming majority. The shittiness of an industry doesn't really change over time as much as how apparent the shittyness becomes as the industry grows.

Wow, MovieBob. I had no IDEA that they made awesome movies like that back in the 30s. Thanks for opening my eyes on that one :)

It's idiotic to blame hardcore nerds for their protective instincts regarding niche content at this point. Every single nerd property that's gone mainstream has invariably gone to shit as well. The first iteration might stay relatively faithful to the source material. Sometimes you even get a decent sequel. But eventually, the suits get their claws in it, attempt to broaden its appeal through needless pandering to unrelated demographics, and you end up with Spider Man 3. It's happened so many times now that you absolutely cannot fault someone for wishing obscurity upon his or her favorite IPs.

Sometimes elitists are just fucking right.

God.. one thing I cannot stand: subtitle snobbery.

I'm here to watch a movie, not read a book. I don't give a shit what the original actors voices sound like. I won't understand the inflections and tone anyway -- I DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE.

Give me a well-dubbed anything, any day, over anything with subtitles. I avoid shit with subtitles, because the few times I've given it a shot I always have missed things that are going on in the movie because I'm reading shit. That doesn't work. If the movie was made knowing subtitles would be there, they usually try to make sure you can read the important stuff being said while not missing the important stuff going on -- but if it's spoken, I want to understand it being spoken, so I don't have to worry about either missing out on the VISUAL part of the movie just to understand the AUDIBLE part of the movie.

Also I'm almost 100% positive subtitle snobbery stems from anime geeks.. and well, I *hate* anime. And snobby anime geeks.

sturryz:

In the movie Avatar, we mostly want the Military to win. Because the Na'vi are dull and boring. When you want the villians in a movie to win more then the Heroes, it's the movie makers fault.

We?

Are you high? Speak for yourself. I couldn't wait to see those fuckers get torn apart by the Na'Vi.

Newsweek is floundering while Us Weekly is thriving. We are not living in an intellectual age.

Liberal rag with important-but-slanted stories versus a rather respectable magazine among tabloids. They're about equal, and that's being KIND to Newsweek.

The end of the article also wreaked of leftardation.

having only read the first page, a thought struck me regarding the third reason.
"FANS". Who can't stand if someone else has their own impression of what they like.

Bloody FANS. (To those who don't understand what I mean, I use "FANS" to describe those who defend what they like with alot of fervor, and do no take the time to listen to others, and therefore don't accept other interpretations, or changes from the original creators).

sturryz:
In Star Wars, Darth Vader and The Emperor are great villians, but we don't want them to win.

Speak for yourself.

No. It just takes the right people to do the job. If a movie sucks, one more try and they're all fired. Simple.

Best example: the computer you use. If electrical components don't work closer to 100%, then it just doesn't work.

Jacques 2:

Spot1990:

Jacques 2:
Movie Theaters, had it coming. (Insanely) overpriced food, barring people from openly bringing food from other places into the theater, ticket prices (given there is a reason for this) and the damned stupid recycle your 3D glasses so we can sell them back to you next time. I like the rest of the article, but theaters get no sympathy from me, though I'm probably biased because they attempted to card me when I tried to get tickets for up, claiming I needed physical state marked proof that I was over 18 to buy tickets for a G movie, that and well, the prices.

The food is overpriced because we wouldn't be able to stay open if it wasn't in most cases we get about one or two euro per ticket. So even in a best case scenario in a six screen theatre like the one I work in a good day is about 2000 customers. 4000 euro (compared to weekdays when we'd usually draw in about 200-300 so 400 to 600 euro). Then the fact that the theaters are pretty much dead all week from September to May except for holidays and huge releases. We'd be lucky to break even if we charged regular store prices for the concessions. Besides we actually can't stop people bringing in food.

5 dollars for a small popcorn is beyond reasonable, and over here in the states the concessions are almost unused because of this. Lower prices will probably draw in more sales, but hell, the popcorn butter is cheap carcinogen filled crap. I see the theater packed day in and day out, and then hear about how badly they're doing on the news.

What about, gasp, downsizing your theathers? You know, instead of having lets say 10 viewing rooms in one cineplex or whatever, have 5. and cycle your movies. Show multiple movies in one room on a day, not just one all week. Back in my home town, I used to visit the smaller, older one of our thetrhers, because it had, you know, and atmoshpere. It felt like a movie theatre, not a simple, soulless 'plex. And It was located opposite to the normal theatre buliding.

We live in a capitalist society, and frankly, movie theatres are an overproduced good. Supply goes up, demand stays stationary, prices, or in this case, income falls. Deal with it. Downsize, specialise, rotate, and, above all, have some gods-damned class in your venues, not some Metropolis-esque feeding through (or viewing tube, for better analogy)

Jacques 2:

Spot1990:

Jacques 2:
Movie Theaters, had it coming. (Insanely) overpriced food, barring people from openly bringing food from other places into the theater, ticket prices (given there is a reason for this) and the damned stupid recycle your 3D glasses so we can sell them back to you next time. I like the rest of the article, but theaters get no sympathy from me, though I'm probably biased because they attempted to card me when I tried to get tickets for up, claiming I needed physical state marked proof that I was over 18 to buy tickets for a G movie, that and well, the prices.

The food is overpriced because we wouldn't be able to stay open if it wasn't in most cases we get about one or two euro per ticket. So even in a best case scenario in a six screen theatre like the one I work in a good day is about 2000 customers. 4000 euro (compared to weekdays when we'd usually draw in about 200-300 so 400 to 600 euro). Then the fact that the theaters are pretty much dead all week from September to May except for holidays and huge releases. We'd be lucky to break even if we charged regular store prices for the concessions. Besides we actually can't stop people bringing in food.

5 dollars for a small popcorn is beyond reasonable, and over here in the states the concessions are almost unused because of this. Lower prices will probably draw in more sales, but hell, the popcorn butter is cheap carcinogen filled crap. I see the theater packed day in and day out, and then hear about how badly they're doing on the news.

As I said, we earn next to nothing on cinema tickets. Even if the cinema is packed if, as you said, the concession stand is untouched, then they're still lucky to be breaking even.

The "butter" is flavoured vegetable oil. At least the one we use is, don't know about the states though. 4.95 for a small popcorn here, so $6.40. Most people still buy food from us though. Which is why we are able to stay open.

Arcane Azmadi:
While it's nice to be a bit laid-back every now and then, what you're basically suggesting is that we say "this movie sucks, but that doesn't matter". Or even "I could say this movie sucks, but I don't want to be a whiner so go see it anyway, four stars!" Basically, endorsing shittiness. You know what the consequences of that would be? We'd get even LESS good films because filmmakers would come to realise that they have no reason to bother trying any more. After all, if critics don't criticise, why bother trying? Only those who genuinely "do it for the art" would make any effort at all. The only way you're going to get better quality is to constantly demand better, to hold people to higher standards. You won't always get what you want, but you have to make the effort.

I'm not necessarily saying saying, "lay there and take it," but there's only so much complaining one can do before it becomes useless and annoying. Movie studios may care about what professional critics like Roger Ebert and Peter Travers have to say, but they don't care about amateurs like Bob, Harry Knowles or Rob Bricken, and by and large their criticisms sound like fanboy whining. And even then, sometimes when they praise a movie they DO like, it's suspect. To wit, I just saw Predators, a movie Bob liked. And while it was decent, I felt it pandered way too much to the fans of the original what with its constant callbacks to the first movie. Say whatever you will about the previous sequels including the AvP movies, but at least they tried to be something different. If the film geeks are truly judging a movie sequel by the degree of fan-service it gives them, then that's not good criteria to base a movie on, I'm sorry.

I don't care how elitist and snobby people think it is; I always turn on subtitles on my foreign DVDs. I really don't like dubbing, mostly because it's nigh impossible to appreciate the original actor when someone else's voice is coming out of their mouth.

ProfessorLayton:
Besides, have you heard a dubbed movie before? The English speaking voice actors pout about as much emotion into it as a cardboard box

This is usually the result of dubbing, which just makes the problem even worse. When I first got Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon on DVD, I tried to watch it with the dub, and it was awful. I turned on the subtitles, and it promptly became one of my favourite films.

Dubbing is, at the best of times, a distraction because it never sounds quite right. At worse, the dubbing is so horrible and wooden that it can ruin the movie. Subtitles are the best way to watch foreign movies.

Anachronism:
This is usually the result of dubbing, which just makes the problem even worse. When I first got Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon on DVD, I tried to watch it with the dub, and it was awful. I turned on the subtitles, and it promptly became one of my favourite films.

Dubbing is, at the best of times, a distraction because it never sounds quite right. At worse, the dubbing is so horrible and wooden that it can ruin the movie. Subtitles are the best way to watch foreign movies.

Most of the time, though, you get stuff like this:

How hiply cynical.

"Movies suck because they've always sucked for various reasons and making any effort to correct these reasons will just generate a new reason."

I suppose its more thought out than "movies suck because people suck," but its still garbage.

In reality film, as a whole, has been nothing but improvement after improvement. The worst movies today are better than the worst movies at the dawn of film, the best movies today are better than the best movies at the dawn of film. The only difference is the growing gulf between them (think lin-lin graph (google it!)) and the amount of people unwilling to venture beyond their little bubble realities (as that would be tantamount to, gasp, admitting fault! Oh no!).

Also, the idea that twilight is so successful because large studios don't target "stupid teenage girl" demographics very often is likely the most cynical thing I've ever read. "If large corporations aren't going out of their way to harvest demographics for money, the demographics won't, like, ya know, actually go out and find stuff they, like, like."

warmonkey:
God.. one thing I cannot stand: subtitle snobbery.
I'm here to watch a movie, not read a book. I don't give a shit what the original actors voices sound like. I won't understand the inflections and tone anyway -- I DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE.

Maybe you would if you watched more things with subs. Hell, that's how I learned english.

Dectilon:
Maybe you would if you watched more things with subs. Hell, that's how I learned english.

I've tried learning languages before; it doesn't work for me. No biggie. That's beside the point.

My point is part of the reason sub snobs give for panning dubs is that you lose the inflection and tone and emotion of the original voice actors -- but that's a lot of shit that I just don't understand, since the language makes no sense to me. And most of the time? *They* don't know the language, either, and are just talking out their ass.

Any good dub will capture the same emotions, the same subtle tones, but translated into whatever language you speak -- in other words, no meaning is lost, and it's actually easier to understand. Bad dubs? Sure. There are bad dubs. That doesn't mean dubs are bad.

And frankly, who cares if the lips sync up or not. That's not half as distracting as it's made out to be.

I've tried learning languages before; it doesn't work for me.

One of my teachers used to say : "Learning a language isn't hard. It's not like math, where you can be awfully bad because you don't do it naturally. You already learned a language since you speak one. So get to work and stop complaning" (that last part was part of the quote, it's not directed at you). But you're lucky, you already speak English.

sub snobs sometimes prefer subs because they sometimes understand the language, prefer to listen to the original performance and the original writing and just need some help at times with the vocabulary.

Anyway, the problem with good dubs is that :
A-They are extremely rare
B-A lot of subtle tones, words, and expressions are language-specific. For exemple, there is no way to translate in french "Get over yourself!" properly. What you mean with that expression, with the tone you usually use, can't be meant using that language. There are even some concepts that don't exist in some language. "Exposition" as a writting technique is a concept that doesn't exist en french. (And there are other exemples the other way around). So the translation often has to use clever tricks to keep the meaning as close as possible to the original work. Granted, subtitles don't help with that, but hearing and understanding the language directly surely does.
C- Something that sounds good in a language can sound terrible in another and vice-versa, because the culture is different. Plus, you can't translate language habits or accents.

Take the original performance in Letters from Iwo Jima (I don't understand Japanese, by the way). The characters have very specific ways to speak when they acknoledge orders or speak to a superior, that are part of the Japenese military tradition and culture (at least, I guess that the film got that right). Even though I don't understand directly what the characters say, I am able to get a sense of the differences between the US and Japenese soldiers, between the two cultures. Use dubbing and put a "Sir, yes, Sir !" in there and everything is lost. You can try to mimic the way a foreign language is spoken using your own, but it doesn't work very well.

That one might come as a surprise to anyone reading this in nations like France, where native-language dubbing is the norm: Americans are huge snobs about dubbing now - even kung-fu movies play subtitled here.

Hey ! Nice, thanks for thinking about your french readers !

By the way, native-language dubbing got a kick in the balls in France in recent years since people in charge have finally figured out that it helped us being rubbish in English. A lot of theatres play both dubbed and subtitled versions of movies, over here, now.

I live in a country where everything is subtitled.
Not because we are all elitist priks. This is because there are deaf people here.

Besides, dubbing everything would be too expensive, would kill the "industry" here.

I know you guys from the first world like to sell the idea that you are swimming in cash. But dubbing everything that comes out doesn't prevent some releases?

Just guessing.

warmonkey:

Dectilon:
Maybe you would if you watched more things with subs. Hell, that's how I learned english.

I've tried learning languages before; it doesn't work for me. No biggie. That's beside the point.

My point is part of the reason sub snobs give for panning dubs is that you lose the inflection and tone and emotion of the original voice actors -- but that's a lot of shit that I just don't understand, since the language makes no sense to me. And most of the time? *They* don't know the language, either, and are just talking out their ass.

Any good dub will capture the same emotions, the same subtle tones, but translated into whatever language you speak -- in other words, no meaning is lost, and it's actually easier to understand. Bad dubs? Sure. There are bad dubs. That doesn't mean dubs are bad.

And frankly, who cares if the lips sync up or not. That's not half as distracting as it's made out to be.

There are certainly bad dubs. But good dubs? I think there are maybe 5 good dubs in the history of everything. Seeing as I find it very easy to get the inflection and meaning from languages I don't understand that's the way I'm going to want to watch them, considering the alternative. If that makes it more difficult for foreign language movies to be succesful then that's out of my hands, my own personal impact will be almost negligible.

I will agree with that discription with one correction-black FEMALE american audiances...i've stating what bob has about tyler perry since his first play

BigBoote66:

Scobie:
Man, I should probably pay attention to some element of our culture that isn't video games at some point. Who the hell is Tyler Perry? I honstly don't ever remember hearing that name before.

Tyler Perry makes histrionic melodramas that are hugely popular with black American audiences and unwatched by practically everyone else. As you have an anime character as your avatar pic, I'm guessing you're pretty far outside that demographic.

Perry's movies are actually a notch above SATC and Twilight - at least they reflect a kind of auteur's vision. The others are crassly commercial cash-ins based on wish fulfillment.

I will agree with that discription with one correction-black FEMALE american audiences...i've been stating what bob has about tyler perry since his first play

Well, I pretty much expected my reaction, but I did my best to give MovieBob a chance. That said... I disagree with almost everything in this article.

#1) Wrong. Out of the current Top 20 Box Office movies (your metric for the only thing Hollywood cares about), we have four kids movies, two intelligent thrillers, Twilight, two comedies, four flashy action movies, two relationship dramas, two other dramas, and a documentary. And that's the middle of the summer rush, the time of year that dumb action movies are most common. So where are the massive glut of action movies and geek genre pieces, exactly?

#2) True, but pointless. Mainstream audiences have always been idiots, and entertainment has always been directed at mainstream audiences. The top film of the 1930s was Gone With The Wind, which was a movie that glorified racism and frankly wasn't very good. Also on the list: Hell's Angels (a big-budget action movie), Ingagi (an exploitation movie that drew audiences on shock value), three kids' movies (Wizard of Oz, Tom Sawyer and Snow White), San Francisco (a big disaster movie about the 1907 earthquake), Mr Smith Goes To Washington (thoughtful political piece with loads of propaganda), Maytime (a musical romance), and How To Be A Detective (a comedy mock-up). Seem familiar? People have not gotten notably dumber in the last eighty years.

#3) I have never seen this in action either in person or online. Mostly, I see the opposite problems - geeks shilling their favorite thing so strongly that they turn people off it. Could you provide any examples?

#4) Valid, but doesn't actually have anything to do with movies themselves. Unless there's a point that I missed. Given that Hollywood is posting vast profits, they don't seem to need the theatres as much as you think.

#5) I disagree so heavily with your core point that I can't argue this one effectively. Since your argument is that Hollywood is ignoring everyone in favor of action nerds, which I have strenuously disagreed with above, I can't support the notion that ignoring everyone in favor of action nerds is why Twilight et al are succeeding. Twilight succeeded in the book field first, in a marketplace saturated with books aimed at its' core demographic. It succeeds because, toxic as it is, it strongly appeals to something in its fans. You can try to kick mud over that, because it's kind of depressing, but it's true. No vaccuum was needed to create those movies.

#6) Other than the fact that this point sort of crumbles most of your other points, it's still kind of dubious. I'm pretty sure that the reasons for sucky movies in the past, while fluctuating in little ways, have almost always been the same - people make bad movies, bad movies make enough money to turn profits, people have no reason to stop.

Finally someone has published and article on movies sucking, they've sucked bad for ages. AVP and AVP:R were some of the most anticipated and worst movies ever, right up there with the garbage that's DOOM.

People keep asking me to see movies but honestly 99% of movies now are garbage and I'm not wasting my time to hunt for gems in a poo factories sewer runoff into a river of poo.

Just some quick comments...

wildcard9:
As children of the 90's we were raised with such animated greats such as Animaniacs, Batman The Animated Series, and Pinky and the Brain. Great animated series with sophisticated themes that proved that animation could be a mainstream success amongst any and all audiences.
[snip]
What does the previous decade have to show for it?

What about Samurai Jack? Or The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy?
Both those shows were problably smarter and more sophisticated than anything produced in the 90's.
Hell, Billy & Mandy even spoofed Herbert's "God Emperor of Dune".

If you remove the nostalgia factor, neither Animaniacs or P&B were that great.
Batman was boss tho.

warmonkey:
God.. one thing I cannot stand: subtitle snobbery.

I'm here to watch a movie, not read a book.

So... I assume you don't like subs cuz your lips get's tired?

Friv:

#1) Wrong. Out of the current Top 20 Box Office movies (your metric for the only thing Hollywood cares about), we have four kids movies, two intelligent thrillers, Twilight, two comedies, four flashy action movies, two relationship dramas, two other dramas, and a documentary. And that's the middle of the summer rush, the time of year that dumb action movies are most common. So where are the massive glut of action movies and geek genre pieces, exactly?

Correct... unless you look at about the opening weekend, then Bob has a valid point. Your intelligent thriller, the current box office lead, is down at #60 on the opening weekend chart. Everything above is either action, animation, comedy or based on an existing franchise with an enormous fanbase.

Wow, #2 sounds completely like an elitist snob there, "We're not the problem, you're the problem because your just too stupid to get it...etc"

Do yourself a favor MovieBob, get off Transformer's ass because it's honestly getting old and you're sounding more and more like a spoiled child having a temper tantrum.

People go to movies for one reason, "To be entertained" not to get smarter or have their brain tickled. Oh, it's great when movies can be entertaining AND make you go, "Huh, I never thought of that before" problem is most people have a life outside of movies, so don't have time for it nor want it at the theater.

#6, disagree with your thoughts, but the statement is correct, there's been crap produced throughout all of human history. Probably during caveman times there were bad shadow puppet performances. Although if something sucked the actor(s) were beaten to death for it...might want to bring that back.

I go to movies to be entertained, I am not a movie geek, but I can't stand when a movie just blatantly insults its audience with a stupid story, atrocious visual design, poor characters and bad dialog.

When I saw the first Transformers, I just paused all the time thinking "That scene is useless" "That dialog doesn't make sense" "That's lazy writing" "That's unbelievable". A movie doesn't work well when the suspension of disbelief is lost.

Very good list but can't really comment on number 4 as I'm not sure how different American cinemas are to British cinemas, we don't really have many independent or small cinemas at all, it's basicly big nationwide chains like Cineworld and Odeon so most of the problems with 4 don't seem apparent. It also means that they never take risks at all and if it's not a sure fire hit they it just wont get shown at all. In the UK the problem isn't getting your film made as there's even the BFI and nation lottery fund which will fund british films, it's getting your film seen by anyone. Bizzarely a film can have a huge nationwide advertising budget and then a tiny release, like whats the point in telling everyone about your film and then not showing it to them?

I think number 1# is the real issue here and absolutely right, I would also like to add that "All Hollywood cares about is the Summer". Hollywood has forever been trying to replicate the Jaws success of the Hollywood blockbuster and the sheer glut of films at this time is harming theaters. Even a heavily antipcipated and relatively well received film such as Predators wont make much of an impact beyond the box office weekend takings because the very next week you've got Inception and Toy Story 3 coming out, and then after that you've the A-Team, and then there'll be something after that and so on. There's too many films around this time for them to get any decent screen time before being moved on for the next one. This year has been particularly bad because of the World Cup, because no one wants to release a male orientated film during this time (i.e. most films) as everyone will be in the pub watching the game.

EDIT:
Although that said, I don't like film dubs. You know why? Becuase they ussually suck. It can work in anime esspecially if it's something like studio gibli which is owned by Disney so they can afford to get great voice in those films. But when it comes to live action foreign films the vast majority of the time they wont have to budget to hire english voice actors or to dub it. Subtitles are an easy low cost solution and personaly vastly prefferable to dubs, it never matches with the lip movement and that is always a big turn off for me. And besides it's not hard to read subtitles, you wont actually miss anything and I'm a really slow reader.

Anyone seen the new series of the IT Crowd?
"I can't read when I'm also trying to see things!"

Yeah... IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD TO READ AND WATCH THE SCREEN YOU SIMPLETONS!

Honestly compared to some of the mumbly american accents you get in films these day I find it easy to follow subtitles than american films.

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warmonkey:
God.. one thing I cannot stand: subtitle snobbery.

I'm here to watch a movie, not read a book.

So... I assume you don't like subs cuz your lips get's tired?

Two things.
First, this sort of snobbery is precisely what I was referencing. "Ololol, you dont like subs, you're retarded".
No, I just want to properly experience the movie -- hearing the lines spoken, and watching the movie. Not hearing the movie, and watching the lines spoken.
Second, you insult my intelligence and, of course, make some pretty basic errors within your insult. Nice.

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