Zero Punctuation: DeathSpank & Limbo

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Wait a second, Northampton? I'm the nameless protagonist!

persona J:
transformers isnt bland or unchallenging u tard, how many games do u no that have transforming robots and if u find it easy bump up the dificulty u moron.

Adamantium rage!

yer Northampton was in it! it was kind of insulting it but tbh it is a shit hole or as he put it a far away land of fantasy

adamatium?

Is it me or is Yahtzee abit more frustrated as usual?
I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with a certain personage of the opposite sex starting with an R, hah!

To those upset about Starcraft 2: he said in his latest Extra Punctuation article that he simply doesn't care for the RTS genre. Go to said article if you want to read/discuss further.

To those upset about War for Cybertron: grow up. I like the game as well, but consider two things. One, he just personally finds it bland and unchallenging; no sense ineffectually nipping at his heels for daring to have a subjective opinion. Two, one of the game's biggest strengths is the multiplayer aspect; that's all well and good, but how many times has Yahtzee asserted that a game should be able to stand up on single player alone? Oh, right... many, many times. He doesn't care for it and even less so when it is online only.

Hey, save some of the sucking it for the Starcraft fans, too! Otherwise, great as always!

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thats not my point, he said he wasn't going to review it because he felt his opinion carries little weight on the subject (thats new I know), i understand that, i just don't think the cheek is nessesary on something he said himself he is inexperienced with, and with which he has no intentions of becoming aquainted with for that matter.

That hasn't stopped him from reviewing JRPGs and SC2 is so accessible even non-gamers get into it. That whole excuse that he would be too inexperienced regarding RTS doesn't hold weight. Besides the the single player campaign plays more like a hybrid between point and click adventure and RPG with a RTS as a base.

If he decides to review it after all i will be only too happy alright?
But that doesn't change the fact that he said he isn't going to, nor does it change the reason he gave for that, my point is if he isn't going to review it like all the other games he pokes fun at, then he can keep the single sentence comments about it to himself.

Or, he can say whatever the Hells he wishes, at whatever length he wishes, about whatever topic he wishes. Y'know, like you yourself are allowed to do. Just who in the heck do you think you are, dictating to someone else what they shall or shall not say?

He says he doesn't plan on a Starcraft 2 critique, so that bars him from ever making mention, passing or otherwise, of the game again? And it gives you license to try and e-police any comment he makes until he decides to do a proper review, and "earn the right" to his opinion?

How about no? How about, he says what he wants to, when he chooses. And you can do the same. Without the need to justify yourself to anyone else.

Or do you plan on retroactively going back through your lifetime and filming a snarky fast-talking critique complete with animations to justify any offhand comment you've ever made, as you seem intent on doing so to Yahtzee. Quid pro quo.

Hey, I belive in free speech and all, but just because I can run down a street half naked carrying a pigs heart and loudly uttering satanic rituals (sounds like an awsome dare btw) doesn't mean I should. And when you claim to be a professional on something, a certain level of etiquette is usually anticipated.
in his extra punctuation, he gives a reasonable and inoffensive explanation as to why he won't be reviewing sc2, i commend him for this.
What I don't understand though, Is why he just had to go and ruin that by making a unessesary and altogether offensive comment without any follow up to vindicate his opinion.
It seems to me that if anything he could have just summarized the polite way of saying it, within about 1 sentence. The way he wrote it seems like the written equivalent of giving all the people hoping for an sc2 review the flip!
Yes yahtzee can say whatever the hell he wants, does that mean he should, or for that matter, even has a reason to?

I have free speech and i can say whatever I want so you know what?
Free speech can suck it!

was that nice? no.
can you do anything about it? Of course not i have free speech silly!
was it even nessesary? no.
If it was nessesary could i have put it in a more polite and reasonable way? yes.
i hope you are getting the picture now, if not there isn't a whole lot more i simplify for you.

Couple of things. First, opinions don't need vindication. You're perfectly welcome to think that rocks are far too rocky, or that the color purple has far too much blue in it. Claims of fact need to be vindicated, opinions can be baseless as the day is long.

Second, I didn't see it as offensive at all. But then, I'm not one of the people that seem to keep pushing, jabbing, and pestering at him for a Starcraft 2 review. I don't see the comment he made as a jab at the game (because as he's said, he basically doesn't give a flip about the game good or bad), but rather as a jab at the people that won't take no for an answer and keep pushing for a review they know he doesn't want to do. I fully support this action.
People that won't take no for an answer, will not take no for an answer regardless of how well you expound upon your reasoning, nor will any amount of nicety in your delivery help. So a "suck it" is just as good as a three paragraph exposition for these people. They still won't accept the "No" but at least you didn't waste unnecessary time and energy on it. The people who read Extra Punctuation got the full breakdown of the why's and why not's. The people that spend 5 minutes here once a week got "suck it."

What this seems to boil down to is, you got your feelings hurt. You were offended by something someone else said, and now you're going to cry about it. It isn't so much that he expressed his opinion, but the way in which he chose to express it. That and I think the fact that he chose to express his opinion AT ALL based upon your comment.

The only thing I can say to that is, toughen your hide. It's a big world out there, and sometimes people say things that will make you feel not good. You have two choices.

A.) Get butthurt when someone says something that doesn't jive right with you. Take offense, and rain down righteous indignation upon the offender.

B.) Realize that offense is a choice. There is no such thing as something being patently offensive, as nothing in this world offends everyone. Therefore, when you find yourself offended, you have chosen to be offended. You can just as easily, choose to not be offended.

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lacktheknack:
Good Lord, I hope he gets off the Starcraft II thing fairly quickly. Just leave it alone.

And I desperately want Limbo, but I don't have an Xbox. WAAAAH.

Gets off? What do you mean? That he stops complaining about it, or that he completely ignores it? He only made one mention about it, as far as I know. I found it amusing, like him once again smacking at the rabid fanboys who constantly send in requests for him to review games.

Sure, I'd like him to review it as well (partly because the best experience was the single-player, and he prefers single-player and I'm interested in what he has to say), but I don't understand your statement here.

Again, not trying to be rude, just don't know what message you're trying to get across.

This review did indeed amuse me. I also do not have an Xbox, and therefore will not be enjoying the delight and woe these games have to offer.

If you read Extra Punctuation, you'd understand. He will never review Starcraft II, I hate the fanboys as much as anybody, but I want him to ignore it.

Hilarious, as usual. It was good to get some perspective on Limbo in particular, as IGN, G4, and everyone else was going nuts about it. (I don't have X360) Also, I suppose I can see why Yahtzee thought Transformers: WFC was bland and unchallenging. He only plays the single player parts of games (mostly), and the campaign was definitely the weaker part of the game. This is coming from a Transformers fanatic and WFC fan. Online multiplayer is awesome, but if you don't play that, you're left with the campaigns which were, well, OK. They were like the Transformers version of CoD: MW2's campaign. There to give the game a story and provide more content, but it really just backs up the multiplayer.

Yahtzee, great video again. Maybe a Disciples III review? It's the only new release I've played recently. Plus I think you would rip it apart. Which would be awesome.

"they why don't you go eat a dick" Hahaha that was the only bit that really made me laugh apart from the needless northhampton reference. Seriously you americans must not know whats going on half time time in these. Well your american so i guess we can cut that to quater... or maybe a Fith.

The_root_of_all_evil:
I got a mention in a Yahtzee video!

Ish...

So did I! Well... My avatar did. Well... no so much a mention as a picture, But Still! :D
Too bad Limbo is so short... and Too bad I don't own an Xbox. :(
Deathspank sounds... interesting... although I'm more of an "arty f*g".

Heh, me and my zero punctuation t shirt noticed he spelled artifact incorrectly.

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thats not my point, he said he wasn't going to review it because he felt his opinion carries little weight on the subject (thats new I know), i understand that, i just don't think the cheek is nessesary on something he said himself he is inexperienced with, and with which he has no intentions of becoming aquainted with for that matter.

That hasn't stopped him from reviewing JRPGs and SC2 is so accessible even non-gamers get into it. That whole excuse that he would be too inexperienced regarding RTS doesn't hold weight. Besides the the single player campaign plays more like a hybrid between point and click adventure and RPG with a RTS as a base.

If he decides to review it after all i will be only too happy alright?
But that doesn't change the fact that he said he isn't going to, nor does it change the reason he gave for that, my point is if he isn't going to review it like all the other games he pokes fun at, then he can keep the single sentence comments about it to himself.

Or, he can say whatever the Hells he wishes, at whatever length he wishes, about whatever topic he wishes. Y'know, like you yourself are allowed to do. Just who in the heck do you think you are, dictating to someone else what they shall or shall not say?

He says he doesn't plan on a Starcraft 2 critique, so that bars him from ever making mention, passing or otherwise, of the game again? And it gives you license to try and e-police any comment he makes until he decides to do a proper review, and "earn the right" to his opinion?

How about no? How about, he says what he wants to, when he chooses. And you can do the same. Without the need to justify yourself to anyone else.

Or do you plan on retroactively going back through your lifetime and filming a snarky fast-talking critique complete with animations to justify any offhand comment you've ever made, as you seem intent on doing so to Yahtzee. Quid pro quo.

Hey, I belive in free speech and all, but just because I can run down a street half naked carrying a pigs heart and loudly uttering satanic rituals (sounds like an awsome dare btw) doesn't mean I should. And when you claim to be a professional on something, a certain level of etiquette is usually anticipated.
in his extra punctuation, he gives a reasonable and inoffensive explanation as to why he won't be reviewing sc2, i commend him for this.
What I don't understand though, Is why he just had to go and ruin that by making a unessesary and altogether offensive comment without any follow up to vindicate his opinion.
It seems to me that if anything he could have just summarized the polite way of saying it, within about 1 sentence. The way he wrote it seems like the written equivalent of giving all the people hoping for an sc2 review the flip!
Yes yahtzee can say whatever the hell he wants, does that mean he should, or for that matter, even has a reason to?

I have free speech and i can say whatever I want so you know what?
Free speech can suck it!

was that nice? no.
can you do anything about it? Of course not i have free speech silly!
was it even nessesary? no.
If it was nessesary could i have put it in a more polite and reasonable way? yes.
i hope you are getting the picture now, if not there isn't a whole lot more i simplify for you.

Couple of things. First, opinions don't need vindication. You're perfectly welcome to think that rocks are far too rocky, or that the color purple has far too much blue in it. Claims of fact need to be vindicated, opinions can be baseless as the day is long.

Second, I didn't see it as offensive at all. But then, I'm not one of the people that seem to keep pushing, jabbing, and pestering at him for a Starcraft 2 review. I don't see the comment he made as a jab at the game (because as he's said, he basically doesn't give a flip about the game good or bad), but rather as a jab at the people that won't take no for an answer and keep pushing for a review they know he doesn't want to do. I fully support this action.
People that won't take no for an answer, will not take no for an answer regardless of how well you expound upon your reasoning, nor will any amount of nicety in your delivery help. So a "suck it" is just as good as a three paragraph exposition for these people. They still won't accept the "No" but at least you didn't waste unnecessary time and energy on it. The people who read Extra Punctuation got the full breakdown of the why's and why not's. The people that spend 5 minutes here once a week got "suck it."

What this seems to boil down to is, you got your feelings hurt. You were offended by something someone else said, and now you're going to cry about it. It isn't so much that he expressed his opinion, but the way in which he chose to express it. That and I think the fact that he chose to express his opinion AT ALL based upon your comment.

The only thing I can say to that is, toughen your hide. It's a big world out there, and sometimes people say things that will make you feel not good. You have two choices.

A.) Get butthurt when someone says something that doesn't jive right with you. Take offense, and rain down righteous indignation upon the offender.

B.) Realize that offense is a choice. There is no such thing as something being patently offensive, as nothing in this world offends everyone. Therefore, when you find yourself offended, you have chosen to be offended. You can just as easily, choose to not be offended.

DUDE chillax! I thought that by now i had made it perfectly clear that i couldn't give a flying fuck about whether ot not he reviews starcraft OK?!
my point is he could afford a bit of manners about how he expresses his opinion.
for instance, He could have just said "I will not be reviewing starcraft 2, ever.
i just don't see the point of being unduly rude, if they aren't going to listen do matter what you type then why not type something witty even reasonable fans are capable of enjoying, i mean thats what he is known for right?

Oh and about your comment of 3 paragraphs being to much trouble (not required to make point btw),
the man plays video games for a living, im sure he has a few minutes to write a few paragraphs.
I'm not even gonna bring up how he doesn't seem to finish most games he reviews. (OOOPS)

Hilarious ending! And Limbo...I enjoyed playing it, did think it was a little short but oh god...that spider

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thats not my point, he said he wasn't going to review it because he felt his opinion carries little weight on the subject (thats new I know), i understand that, i just don't think the cheek is nessesary on something he said himself he is inexperienced with, and with which he has no intentions of becoming aquainted with for that matter.

That hasn't stopped him from reviewing JRPGs and SC2 is so accessible even non-gamers get into it. That whole excuse that he would be too inexperienced regarding RTS doesn't hold weight. Besides the the single player campaign plays more like a hybrid between point and click adventure and RPG with a RTS as a base.

If he decides to review it after all i will be only too happy alright?
But that doesn't change the fact that he said he isn't going to, nor does it change the reason he gave for that, my point is if he isn't going to review it like all the other games he pokes fun at, then he can keep the single sentence comments about it to himself.

Or, he can say whatever the Hells he wishes, at whatever length he wishes, about whatever topic he wishes. Y'know, like you yourself are allowed to do. Just who in the heck do you think you are, dictating to someone else what they shall or shall not say?

He says he doesn't plan on a Starcraft 2 critique, so that bars him from ever making mention, passing or otherwise, of the game again? And it gives you license to try and e-police any comment he makes until he decides to do a proper review, and "earn the right" to his opinion?

How about no? How about, he says what he wants to, when he chooses. And you can do the same. Without the need to justify yourself to anyone else.

Or do you plan on retroactively going back through your lifetime and filming a snarky fast-talking critique complete with animations to justify any offhand comment you've ever made, as you seem intent on doing so to Yahtzee. Quid pro quo.

Hey, I belive in free speech and all, but just because I can run down a street half naked carrying a pigs heart and loudly uttering satanic rituals (sounds like an awsome dare btw) doesn't mean I should. And when you claim to be a professional on something, a certain level of etiquette is usually anticipated.
in his extra punctuation, he gives a reasonable and inoffensive explanation as to why he won't be reviewing sc2, i commend him for this.
What I don't understand though, Is why he just had to go and ruin that by making a unessesary and altogether offensive comment without any follow up to vindicate his opinion.
It seems to me that if anything he could have just summarized the polite way of saying it, within about 1 sentence. The way he wrote it seems like the written equivalent of giving all the people hoping for an sc2 review the flip!
Yes yahtzee can say whatever the hell he wants, does that mean he should, or for that matter, even has a reason to?

I have free speech and i can say whatever I want so you know what?
Free speech can suck it!

was that nice? no.
can you do anything about it? Of course not i have free speech silly!
was it even nessesary? no.
If it was nessesary could i have put it in a more polite and reasonable way? yes.
i hope you are getting the picture now, if not there isn't a whole lot more i simplify for you.

If you're honestly this upset over such a frail comment, I'd suggest staying away from Zero Punctuation reviews altogether.

I played the demos for both games, and to be honest I found neither of them to be particularly interesting. Deathspank is humorous, but, as Yahtzee rightly stated, frustrating - and having played Sacred 2 on the 360, there's really no reason for me to play Deathspank; as it's the same game done poorly, but with much better writing...

Limbo, on the other hand, seemed boring. I understand what it's trying to represent; but the "art" is so minimalistic that it doesn't register as art to me. It's just a platformer / puzzler with iffy mechanics and overly-dark art style.

Of course this is only my impressions based on the demo - with those impressions why would I have bought either game - neither are exactly innovating (Yahtzee seemed to imply they were)...

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thats not my point, he said he wasn't going to review it because he felt his opinion carries little weight on the subject (thats new I know), i understand that, i just don't think the cheek is nessesary on something he said himself he is inexperienced with, and with which he has no intentions of becoming aquainted with for that matter.

That hasn't stopped him from reviewing JRPGs and SC2 is so accessible even non-gamers get into it. That whole excuse that he would be too inexperienced regarding RTS doesn't hold weight. Besides the the single player campaign plays more like a hybrid between point and click adventure and RPG with a RTS as a base.

If he decides to review it after all i will be only too happy alright?
But that doesn't change the fact that he said he isn't going to, nor does it change the reason he gave for that, my point is if he isn't going to review it like all the other games he pokes fun at, then he can keep the single sentence comments about it to himself.

Or, he can say whatever the Hells he wishes, at whatever length he wishes, about whatever topic he wishes. Y'know, like you yourself are allowed to do. Just who in the heck do you think you are, dictating to someone else what they shall or shall not say?

He says he doesn't plan on a Starcraft 2 critique, so that bars him from ever making mention, passing or otherwise, of the game again? And it gives you license to try and e-police any comment he makes until he decides to do a proper review, and "earn the right" to his opinion?

How about no? How about, he says what he wants to, when he chooses. And you can do the same. Without the need to justify yourself to anyone else.

Or do you plan on retroactively going back through your lifetime and filming a snarky fast-talking critique complete with animations to justify any offhand comment you've ever made, as you seem intent on doing so to Yahtzee. Quid pro quo.

Hey, I belive in free speech and all, but just because I can run down a street half naked carrying a pigs heart and loudly uttering satanic rituals (sounds like an awsome dare btw) doesn't mean I should. And when you claim to be a professional on something, a certain level of etiquette is usually anticipated.
in his extra punctuation, he gives a reasonable and inoffensive explanation as to why he won't be reviewing sc2, i commend him for this.
What I don't understand though, Is why he just had to go and ruin that by making a unessesary and altogether offensive comment without any follow up to vindicate his opinion.
It seems to me that if anything he could have just summarized the polite way of saying it, within about 1 sentence. The way he wrote it seems like the written equivalent of giving all the people hoping for an sc2 review the flip!
Yes yahtzee can say whatever the hell he wants, does that mean he should, or for that matter, even has a reason to?

I have free speech and i can say whatever I want so you know what?
Free speech can suck it!

was that nice? no.
can you do anything about it? Of course not i have free speech silly!
was it even nessesary? no.
If it was nessesary could i have put it in a more polite and reasonable way? yes.
i hope you are getting the picture now, if not there isn't a whole lot more i simplify for you.

If you're honestly this upset over such a frail comment, I'd suggest staying away from Zero Punctuation reviews altogether.

hey, i started just pointing out something i felt was a little annoying, i defend my opinions, and before you know it I'm being accused of encroaching on peoples freedoms, like I'm the Chinese authorities or something!
SO YEAH, I'M A LITTLE PISSED THAT MY OPINION CAN'T BE EXPRESSED BUT YAHTZEES CAN!

That review was definitely more old school. Seems like he didn't force himself so much in that last one. Although the Crackdown 2 one, while not very funny, was dead on.

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If it isn't in his juristiction then that's perfectly fine, just don't be so snide about it yahtzee!

Wait, what? You're asking Yahtzee not to be snide? You... you're new here aren't you?

Also, I'm almost done Limbo and I'm digging it a lot. Actually looking forward to Deathspank now too. Because I'm both a cheese-eating elite and a fried chicken scoffing retard.

Personally I didn't mind the short length of Limbo. Sure I finished it the day I got it but the same can be said for Portal. I feel the game was long enough as by the time it ended it had pretty much done everything it could think of.

Zhukov:
Definitely agree with the bit about the ending of Limbo.

The forest section was good, but once you get into the factory-ish environment, the atmosphere just drains away.

I actually thought the atmosphere stood pretty strong in the industrial levels. There's something incredibly haunting about being alone in a dark factory with tons of buzzsaws and other menacing industrial hazards

It wasn't until the last couple of levels that I thought the game lost it's atmosphere and even then it made a quick (though somewhat sloppy) return in the very final level.

I'll grant you it is very hard to see the traps until it's already to late but I kinda feel that was the point. It sort of reminds me of Dragon's Lair in that you have to beat the game through trial and error.

I have to agree when it comes to the ending (SPOILER WARNING: THE REMAINDER OF THIS POST REVEALS THE ENDING OF THE GAME AS WELL AS SOME SPECULATION ON WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN THE STORY. IF YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GAME READ THE FOLLOWING AT YOUR OWN RISK)

Other than that, brilliant game. One of the best games of the year IMO.

When I opened the video and didn't get a advertisement, I was suprised.

But beyond my hatred of advertisements, good review regardless.

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thats not my point, he said he wasn't going to review it because he felt his opinion carries little weight on the subject (thats new I know), i understand that, i just don't think the cheek is nessesary on something he said himself he is inexperienced with, and with which he has no intentions of becoming aquainted with for that matter.

That hasn't stopped him from reviewing JRPGs and SC2 is so accessible even non-gamers get into it. That whole excuse that he would be too inexperienced regarding RTS doesn't hold weight. Besides the the single player campaign plays more like a hybrid between point and click adventure and RPG with a RTS as a base.

If he decides to review it after all i will be only too happy alright?
But that doesn't change the fact that he said he isn't going to, nor does it change the reason he gave for that, my point is if he isn't going to review it like all the other games he pokes fun at, then he can keep the single sentence comments about it to himself.

Or, he can say whatever the Hells he wishes, at whatever length he wishes, about whatever topic he wishes. Y'know, like you yourself are allowed to do. Just who in the heck do you think you are, dictating to someone else what they shall or shall not say?

He says he doesn't plan on a Starcraft 2 critique, so that bars him from ever making mention, passing or otherwise, of the game again? And it gives you license to try and e-police any comment he makes until he decides to do a proper review, and "earn the right" to his opinion?

How about no? How about, he says what he wants to, when he chooses. And you can do the same. Without the need to justify yourself to anyone else.

Or do you plan on retroactively going back through your lifetime and filming a snarky fast-talking critique complete with animations to justify any offhand comment you've ever made, as you seem intent on doing so to Yahtzee. Quid pro quo.

Hey, I belive in free speech and all, but just because I can run down a street half naked carrying a pigs heart and loudly uttering satanic rituals (sounds like an awsome dare btw) doesn't mean I should. And when you claim to be a professional on something, a certain level of etiquette is usually anticipated.
in his extra punctuation, he gives a reasonable and inoffensive explanation as to why he won't be reviewing sc2, i commend him for this.
What I don't understand though, Is why he just had to go and ruin that by making a unessesary and altogether offensive comment without any follow up to vindicate his opinion.
It seems to me that if anything he could have just summarized the polite way of saying it, within about 1 sentence. The way he wrote it seems like the written equivalent of giving all the people hoping for an sc2 review the flip!
Yes yahtzee can say whatever the hell he wants, does that mean he should, or for that matter, even has a reason to?

I have free speech and i can say whatever I want so you know what?
Free speech can suck it!

was that nice? no.
can you do anything about it? Of course not i have free speech silly!
was it even nessesary? no.
If it was nessesary could i have put it in a more polite and reasonable way? yes.
i hope you are getting the picture now, if not there isn't a whole lot more i simplify for you.

If you're honestly this upset over such a frail comment, I'd suggest staying away from Zero Punctuation reviews altogether.

hey, i started just pointing out something i felt was a little annoying, i defend my opinions, and before you know it I'm being accused of encroaching on peoples freedoms, like I'm the Chinese authorities or something!
SO YEAH, I'M A LITTLE PISSED THAT MY OPINION CAN'T BE EXPRESSED BUT YAHTZEES CAN!

First, you need to practice what you preach and chillax.

Second, it's fair that you get to criticize Yahtzee's method of expressing his opinion as "impolite" and "unnecessary" yet it's unfair to have your own opinion criticized?

I liked this review for the sheer fact it celebrated more independant games this time instead of reviewing some major publication again. I like the fact that limbo gives me something new to actually play then something i have played a thousand times.

Actually, the original biblical saying goes more like:

"the LOVE of money (power, wealth, possessions, etc.) is the root of all evil."

just saying.... ..... .

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thats not my point, he said he wasn't going to review it because he felt his opinion carries little weight on the subject (thats new I know), i understand that, i just don't think the cheek is nessesary on something he said himself he is inexperienced with, and with which he has no intentions of becoming aquainted with for that matter.

That hasn't stopped him from reviewing JRPGs and SC2 is so accessible even non-gamers get into it. That whole excuse that he would be too inexperienced regarding RTS doesn't hold weight. Besides the the single player campaign plays more like a hybrid between point and click adventure and RPG with a RTS as a base.

If he decides to review it after all i will be only too happy alright?
But that doesn't change the fact that he said he isn't going to, nor does it change the reason he gave for that, my point is if he isn't going to review it like all the other games he pokes fun at, then he can keep the single sentence comments about it to himself.

Or, he can say whatever the Hells he wishes, at whatever length he wishes, about whatever topic he wishes. Y'know, like you yourself are allowed to do. Just who in the heck do you think you are, dictating to someone else what they shall or shall not say?

He says he doesn't plan on a Starcraft 2 critique, so that bars him from ever making mention, passing or otherwise, of the game again? And it gives you license to try and e-police any comment he makes until he decides to do a proper review, and "earn the right" to his opinion?

How about no? How about, he says what he wants to, when he chooses. And you can do the same. Without the need to justify yourself to anyone else.

Or do you plan on retroactively going back through your lifetime and filming a snarky fast-talking critique complete with animations to justify any offhand comment you've ever made, as you seem intent on doing so to Yahtzee. Quid pro quo.

Hey, I belive in free speech and all, but just because I can run down a street half naked carrying a pigs heart and loudly uttering satanic rituals (sounds like an awsome dare btw) doesn't mean I should. And when you claim to be a professional on something, a certain level of etiquette is usually anticipated.
in his extra punctuation, he gives a reasonable and inoffensive explanation as to why he won't be reviewing sc2, i commend him for this.
What I don't understand though, Is why he just had to go and ruin that by making a unessesary and altogether offensive comment without any follow up to vindicate his opinion.
It seems to me that if anything he could have just summarized the polite way of saying it, within about 1 sentence. The way he wrote it seems like the written equivalent of giving all the people hoping for an sc2 review the flip!
Yes yahtzee can say whatever the hell he wants, does that mean he should, or for that matter, even has a reason to?

I have free speech and i can say whatever I want so you know what?
Free speech can suck it!

was that nice? no.
can you do anything about it? Of course not i have free speech silly!
was it even nessesary? no.
If it was nessesary could i have put it in a more polite and reasonable way? yes.
i hope you are getting the picture now, if not there isn't a whole lot more i simplify for you.

If you're honestly this upset over such a frail comment, I'd suggest staying away from Zero Punctuation reviews altogether.

hey, i started just pointing out something i felt was a little annoying, i defend my opinions, and before you know it I'm being accused of encroaching on peoples freedoms, like I'm the Chinese authorities or something!
SO YEAH, I'M A LITTLE PISSED THAT MY OPINION CAN'T BE EXPRESSED BUT YAHTZEES CAN!

First, you need to practice what you preach and chillax.

Second, it's fair that you get to criticize Yahtzee's method of expressing his opinion as "impolite" and "unnecessary" yet it's unfair to have your own opinion criticized?

I didn't say "SUCK IT YAHTZEE!
it's not what you say, it's how you say it.

This site has been selling me on Limbo, I really wanna get the game...Sadly I have no x-box -__-''

RadiusXd:

DUDE chillax! I thought that by now i had made it perfectly clear that i couldn't give a flying fuck about whether ot not he reviews starcraft OK?!
my point is he could afford a bit of manners about how he expresses his opinion.
for instance, He could have just said "I will not be reviewing starcraft 2, ever.
i just don't see the point of being unduly rude, if they aren't going to listen do matter what you type then why not type something witty even reasonable fans are capable of enjoying, i mean thats what he is known for right?

Oh and about your comment of 3 paragraphs being to much trouble (not required to make point btw),
the man plays video games for a living, im sure he has a few minutes to write a few paragraphs.
I'm not even gonna bring up how he doesn't seem to finish most games he reviews. (OOOPS)

I'm not addressing whether or not YOU wish a Starcraft 2 review be made, I haven't once in our big quote pyramid done so. I am addressing your insistence that Yahtzee needs to justify his opinion, or the manner in which he expresses it, and your view that he needs to be classy while he does so.

The fact of the matter is, he doesn't, and he doesn't, and he doesn't.

How long have you been watching ZP? How often is he a shining beacon of class and upright character? With the exception of the April Fool's Day joke episode, I'd say never. He is crass, and he is harsh, and he is ill-mannered (as my grandmother would say.) He's also incredibly amusing for these reasons, and the way in which he applies his quirks of character to his reviews.

The issue here, I feel, is that this time as a member of the Starcraft fanbase, you just happened to be under the gun. Do you think he is overly harsh to game developers in his reviews? Do you stand up for them, and say "Yahtzee, old bean, came off a bit brusque there! Poor developers tried their best, no need for the sharp words!" or the players of MMO's that he bashes at every opportunity?
He's certainly been several orders of magnitude more harsh to them that he's been to the Starcraft 2 fanbase with this comment, but you choose this single line at the ass-end of one review to try and call him on his manners?

You're asking him to play favorites, plain and simple. It's fun to laugh at rude comments directed at others, but it's completely uncalled for when directed at a group you self-identify with, right?

Wrong. It's still funny. I am myself, a big Starcraft and Starcraft 2 fan. I also play MMO's. And I can take a joke. I can also handle a "rude" comment without demanding that someone justify themselves, or make amends by granting myself and the fanbase I identify with, special treatment.

Remember that whole "offense is a choice" thing I said? This is me making it. Now you try!

Christopher Bruening:
Actually, the original biblical saying goes more like:

"the LOVE of money (power, wealth, possessions, etc.) is the root of all evil."

just saying.... ..... .

Yup, probably the most miss quoted saying in history :)

hmm with Yahtzee's great wit and insults I was surprised to find out about the RTS thing. . . doesn't really bother me it just seems weird.

hey, i started just pointing out something i felt was a little annoying, i defend my opinions, and before you know it I'm being accused of encroaching on peoples freedoms, like I'm the Chinese authorities or something!
SO YEAH, I'M A LITTLE PISSED THAT MY OPINION CAN'T BE EXPRESSED BUT YAHTZEES CAN!- Radius

This is something I am rather simply going to explain. You and Yahtzee both expressed opinions. The only difference is, Yahtzee seems to be able to deal with criticism and other opinions better than you. Most of the time, he jokes, or doesn't give a rat's A**. You however, resorted to textual yelling the moment someone considers your opinion invalid.

Forget avoiding ZP, you might want to avoid the Net in total. Its going to have people that hate your opinion/worship your opinion(maybe?)/ want to find a way to set your words on fire so no one has to witness the so called drivel.

Everyone, can express their opinion. The difference is how you deal with it.

AngelBlackChaos:
hey, i started just pointing out something i felt was a little annoying, i defend my opinions, and before you know it I'm being accused of encroaching on peoples freedoms, like I'm the Chinese authorities or something!
SO YEAH, I'M A LITTLE PISSED THAT MY OPINION CAN'T BE EXPRESSED BUT YAHTZEES CAN!- Radius

This is something I am rather simply going to explain. You and Yahtzee both expressed opinions. The only difference is, Yahtzee seems to be able to deal with criticism and other opinions better than you. Most of the time, he jokes, or doesn't give a rat's A**. You however, resorted to textual yelling the moment someone considers your opinion invalid.

Forget avoiding ZP, you might want to avoid the Net in total. Its going to have people that hate your opinion/worship your opinion(maybe?)/ want to find a way to set your words on fire so no one has to witness the so called drivel.

Everyone, can express their opinion. The difference is how you deal with it.

To echo this poster, and add my feelings on the matter.

Here are the similarities between you and Yahtzee:

Yahtzee expressed an opinion.
You expressed an opinion.

Here are the differences between you and Yahtzee:

You demanded that Yahtzee censor his opinion, and couch the manner in which he expressed it so that it would be more palatable to your sensibilities.

You can say what you will, where you will, when you will. And you should be free to do so without censorship.
If someone personally thinks that I am a smug little douchebag, and yells it from the rooftops, I will defend their right to express that opinion.

If someone that doesn't think these things about me, a friend perhaps, tries to censor the person expressing these negative views about me, I will instantly crawl up his ass like an ill-fitting speedo.

The_root_of_all_evil:
I got a mention in a Yahtzee video!

Ish...

I was thinking just that when I saw those words.
I went "Yay Root!"

"Developed by manic depressives for manic depressives"

...I guess I should get it then. :/

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