Review: Madden NFL 11

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tjspeirs:
I watched LordKaT play this game over his livestream. In the first game he played, there were at least 10 fumbles, 4 interceptions, and easily 10 hurt players on both his _and_ the computer opponent's teams.

...what?!

How is that even possible? Because it was raining?! Can't really accept that unless it was raining olive oil! This says nothing of the pathetic looking crowd (literally one group of maybe 15 people that don't fill half the seats) and the fact that New Meadowlands Stadium doesn't exist in this game. That's really pathetic.

Well it would seem that me and Lordkat have been having this same problem. Almost every game I have played so far this would happen.
Then again, maybe me and him just were unlucky enough to get bad copies of the game? I mean every review I have read of this game is telling me that nothing like this could ever happen, because this is the best football game ever.

MrSimony:
I need to stick my nose into this, because I can NOT allow more people wasting their money on this piece of lazy-ass horse shit, and if I can sway one person I'll know I've done my job.

First, you have ignored ALL statements about the graphics. They're lazy, really fucking lazy. The field looks like shit, the players look like shit, and the crowd looks like, guess what? Shit. Plus, the titantron shows everything that happens onscreen, including arrows and HUD.

GameFlow? It almost seems like something for players that don't like football. Which is FUCKING POINTLESS since people who don't like football have no fucking excuse to play this game.

Nothing is realistic to the point, the music is cheap and generic, the game is buggy as hell, and reactions from the players and commentators are bullcock. I cannot believe anybody, football fan or not, can enjoy this shitfest. You either didn't play the fucking game properly, or you suck EA's big blue elephant cock.

Oh, and PS, this isn't just some random person's opinion or anything, I'm currently in an IRC chat, who shared these opinions with me, and I put them all into a nice pile. Have fun, shitfuck.

Looks like someone is upset about their ban in an earlier post here. (I will assume that's you)

I haven't picked it up yet but this poster clearly influenced me to buy the game. Thank you

jp201:

Looks like someone is upset about their ban in an earlier post here. (I will assume that's you)

I haven't picked it up yet but this poster clearly influenced me to buy the game. Thank you

Or it could be a LordKaT fan who just saw the video he posted. But even if it is him, I don't particularly blame him, even if he is being a bit too hostile about it. He's genuinely pissed about paying 60$ for this game. I am too honestly. And I went ahead and bought it because of this review. Well, pissed is probably too harsh, since I don't really care about a lousy sixty bucks, but the fact that the money goes to a company that made a game I find so infuriatingly bad... I probably shouldn't dwell on it too much, otherwise I'll start foaming at the mouth.

But yeah, after playing the game, I have a hard time believing Funk likes Football, ever played a football game, or hasn't been paid off. The game is simply that bad. I'd recommend finding LordKaT's video on it before you buy it, as it sums up a good portion of the problems. Mind you, it doesn't touch on all the problems, which says a lot.

jp201:

Looks like someone is upset about their ban in an earlier post here. (I will assume that's you)

I haven't picked it up yet but this poster clearly influenced me to buy the game. Thank you

Oh, you see a new account, and you automatically assume it's the other guy? I'm pretty sure a permaban also means an IP ban. And he didn't have an argument. Saying you want to kill someone is not an argument.

Buy the fucking game. Go the fuck ahead. Suck on the cock of EA and Madden. Have fun with your buggy shit.

Unlike the other poster, I do enjoy things on The Escapist, I just never made an account. After buying this and playing it, and hearing about your score, I thought no. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't care if people like you buy it, I care if unsuspecting football fans buy it. EA has turned NFL games into a monopoly, and they think they can charge full price for some shit they churned out at the last minute? You may as well compare the game to E.T.

I want my sixty dollars back. I want them to fix this game. I want the NFL to not renew the contract when it nexts expires. I want EA Sports to stop fucking shit up.

infinity_turtles:

jp201:

Looks like someone is upset about their ban in an earlier post here. (I will assume that's you)

I haven't picked it up yet but this poster clearly influenced me to buy the game. Thank you

Or it could be a LordKaT fan who just saw the video he posted. But even if it is him, I don't particularly blame him, even if he is being a bit too hostile about it. He's genuinely pissed about paying 60$ for this game. I am too honestly. And I went ahead and bought it because of this review. Well, pissed is probably too harsh, since I don't really care about a lousy sixty bucks, but the fact that the money goes to a company that made a game I find so infuriatingly bad... I probably shouldn't dwell on it too much, otherwise I'll start foaming at the mouth.

But yeah, after playing the game, I have a hard time believing Funk likes Football, ever played a football game, or hasn't been paid off. The game is simply that bad. I'd recommend finding LordKaT's video on it before you buy it, as it sums up a good portion of the problems. Mind you, it doesn't touch on all the problems, which says a lot.

About that video of lordkat's you mentioned, I found it. That video sums up exactly how I feel about this game. I couldn't agree more with the guy, I also recomend that you watch this guy's vid, even if you don't agree with him he brings up a lot stuff that's wrong with the game.

jp201:

Looks like someone is upset about their ban in an earlier post here. (I will assume that's you)

I haven't picked it up yet but this poster clearly influenced me to buy the game. Thank you

LordKat is a reviewer and publisher of a video series, and he just posted a video about his complaints on this game. That's just one of his fans, I'm sure. Also, I would think you wasting $60 of your money on something you won't enjoy would make someone very happy if they didn't like you.Just saying.

I watched LordKat play a total of probably 6 hours of this game over Ustream, and I can concur that this game is horribly broken. He had one game where it was raining, and he ended up with about 6 injuries in one game. One of which included a player breaking BOTH of his legs; who miraculously recovered and was ready for play by NEXT WEEK.

The UI is jacked up, the graphics look like they belong on the PS2, you can run THROUGH the stadium, the game freezes, there are a total of about 3 different fans in the stadium, the "my skill level" option is broken and goes from way too easy to insanely difficult before leveling out again, the injury system is wacked out, the players and coaches look nothing like their real-life counterparts, and there's a whole list of other things wrong in this game that I won't even get into.

And before anyone says anything about NFL2k and tries to write off comments as "well he's just a crazy NFL2k fan....", I've never played NFL2k. I have only played Madden football games and the NFL blitz on N64.

Honestly, the makers of madden don't care anymore. They have a monopoly on the NFL franchise, they can turn out whatever quality they want, and it doesn't matter. If you want NFL, you have to choose between their game and nothing.

If this is a 5-star game, I suggest buying a copy of Shaq-Fu or Bebe's Kids. I'm sure you'll find hours of enjoyment there, too.

I readily admit to not having played this game and to having no real interest in sports myself. However, I know those who do not share either of these qualities with myself. My friends who are football and Madden fans never used the gameflow feature because it suggests ludicrous plays that would not be effective in the given situation. The majority who play Madden are those who know what plays are counters for others, what style of playbook teams utilize, making gameflow an unwanted addition that solely clutters the menu. In the case of those new to Madden, it removes the process of choosing your own plays and developing your own style. I would call it akin to the Auto-Ability choice in Final Fantasy 13. It is useful to some, able to get you through the game, and may appear to streamline it, but rarely the best solution to the problem you are faced with.

I have to say..I couldn't agree with LordKat's video more. This game is a slap in the face to anyone who not only considers themselves a gamer but to anyone who has played a Madden game before. I have never, in my life, played a version of Madden that actually looked worse than the previous years incarnation. The MOCAP in this game is nothing short of pathetic and the player models look absolutely terrible! In regards to the game play: The running game has been stripped down to its bare bones (Why in the world would you remove the sprint button?!)..The new momentum running feature is broken simply due to the fact that as SOON as a player makes a cut or attempts to juke, all momentum disappears and you're left trying to virtually WALK up field. Last I checked people were able to make lateral movements while keeping most of their forward momentum....As far as the passing game goes: Well, that's just it...it DOESN'T! Gone are the days of threading the ball in between two defenders with accuracy and the combination of the left thumbstick pointed towards the appropriate area (either behind, above, over the shoulder or in the chest of the receiver) and the proper press of the pass button (B or O -tap for a lob or press and hold for a bullet). So not only is running the ball as pseudo as it can get, the passing game is about as inaccurate and undependable as Alex Smith, down by 7 in the 4th quarter, under pressure while going deep on 3rd and long from the opponents 30. EA and any reviewer(s) / website / blogger etc...should be ashamed of themselves for putting out and supporting such an obvious cash in and half assed attempt...

jp201:

MrSimony:
I need to stick my nose into this, because I can NOT allow more people wasting their money on this piece of lazy-ass horse shit, and if I can sway one person I'll know I've done my job.

First, you have ignored ALL statements about the graphics. They're lazy, really fucking lazy. The field looks like shit, the players look like shit, and the crowd looks like, guess what? Shit. Plus, the titantron shows everything that happens onscreen, including arrows and HUD.

GameFlow? It almost seems like something for players that don't like football. Which is FUCKING POINTLESS since people who don't like football have no fucking excuse to play this game.

Nothing is realistic to the point, the music is cheap and generic, the game is buggy as hell, and reactions from the players and commentators are bullcock. I cannot believe anybody, football fan or not, can enjoy this shitfest. You either didn't play the fucking game properly, or you suck EA's big blue elephant cock.

Oh, and PS, this isn't just some random person's opinion or anything, I'm currently in an IRC chat, who shared these opinions with me, and I put them all into a nice pile. Have fun, shitfuck.

Looks like someone is upset about their ban in an earlier post here. (I will assume that's you)

I haven't picked it up yet but this poster clearly influenced me to buy the game. Thank you

Assume makes an Ass out of u and me.

"OMG. THIS GAME IS LIKE THE SAME EVERY YEAR AND BOO FUCKING HOO I AM A CORE BABY AND A CRYBABY. HA. HA. HA. SEE WHAT I DID THERE? I'M A LITTLE WHINY BITCH."

That's what I read from a lot of people here. Go play your generic FPS, which are all the same. And they're not even limited to one or three franchises. Every god damn FPS is the same. Every RTS is basically the same.

And people are hating because a sports game 'doesn't seem to change'. What the fuck is there to change? It's not like the fucking framework of the sport changes every year. When dealing with sportsgames it's not about innovation, it's about improvement. Go gobble a cock.

Anyway. Not a fan of American Handegg, but as a fan of the FIFA series, this kind of misplaced hatred gets on my nerves.

All the power to John "Can't Fake The" Funk for enjoying this game, though!

CynicalMarcus:

John Funk:

leviticusd:
The new play-calling has made online enjoyable for the first time for me. I wish there was a mode so that you could only use flowcast and default audibles. There is still too much time waiting for your opponent hunting around for that perfect play they like to exploit. Ultimate team is fun as well though it is easy to get a real mismatch in players if you get someone who buys a lot of packs, but that has only happened once to me.

The big beef is FREEZING!!! About every other game in offline franchise (my favorite mode) freezes. It looks like this is a common problem in both Xbox and PS3 (I'm an XBox) in off-season mode and I hope it gets fixed.

The most underrated improvement is the smarter blocking AI. It really improves the running game and combined with the removal of the pointless boost button makes it fun to play run oriented offenses again. They fixed the receiving animation choices which were terrible last year which is a plus as well.

All in all I think the tweaks were good and as long as the freezing is addressed, it's not bad. If you hate Madden in general this one will probably not change your mind, but for those that play it at least semi-regularly it is steps in the right directions.

This is seriously strange, because I haven't had a single game freeze on me. It's possible that I just got lucky - I'm not saying it's NOT an issue, just one I haven't encountered yet. I wonder if it may be a hardware issue.

To stick up for my buddy Jason (but with much less fervor) I do agree that this game really isn't that streamlined. Most of the menus could have been cut down or switched around for ease of access, and with the technology that most devs have at their fingertips, the visual presentation could have been better as well.

However, I think the big issue that Jason didn't touch on was that it doesn't help if you have your dev team working on an MMA game at the same time (that they have no business making considering EA Canada is the better pick) that you're working on THE football game everyone plays. I personally think that the game suffers for it.

Then again, "I personally think" is the key phrase here. It's just an opinion, and those corporate cash-in complaints and such really are best left to editorials. When reviewing a game, the impression I've always been given is that you review the game itself, not the B.S. surrounding it so you can do your best to stay unbiased. Well, in a written review anyway. Video reviews are a different beast, and they tend to be more of a mix between editorial and review than anything.

Your review was well written from a grammatical standpoint, and you do a solid job of giving your perspective, but I don't think many will agree.

When we review a game, our job is to review the game that we have in front of us. Not drama surrounding the dev team, not who is making it, not even other games coming out at the same time. I plunked down $60 for the game to review it, I need to give a judgment call.

I gave the game a fair call as I saw it after a weekend of solid play, and anything surrounding the MMA game is really irrelevant.

MrSimony:
I need to stick my nose into this, because I can NOT allow more people wasting their money on this piece of lazy-ass horse shit, and if I can sway one person I'll know I've done my job.

First, you have ignored ALL statements about the graphics. They're lazy, really fucking lazy. The field looks like shit, the players look like shit, and the crowd looks like, guess what? Shit. Plus, the titantron shows everything that happens onscreen, including arrows and HUD.

GameFlow? It almost seems like something for players that don't like football. Which is FUCKING POINTLESS since people who don't like football have no fucking excuse to play this game.

Nothing is realistic to the point, the music is cheap and generic, the game is buggy as hell, and reactions from the players and commentators are bullcock. I cannot believe anybody, football fan or not, can enjoy this shitfest. You either didn't play the fucking game properly, or you suck EA's big blue elephant cock.

Oh, and PS, this isn't just some random person's opinion or anything, I'm currently in an IRC chat, who shared these opinions with me, and I put them all into a nice pile. Have fun, shitfuck.

How wonderful that you came here from an echo chamber that reaffirms your views, because I've had the complete opposite reaction. Protip: Learn how to debate like an actual person instead of a rage-filled pre-teen and you might have a point. Criticism is welcome, flaming will get you a boot to the rear.

infinity_turtles:

jp201:

Looks like someone is upset about their ban in an earlier post here. (I will assume that's you)

I haven't picked it up yet but this poster clearly influenced me to buy the game. Thank you

Or it could be a LordKaT fan who just saw the video he posted. But even if it is him, I don't particularly blame him, even if he is being a bit too hostile about it. He's genuinely pissed about paying 60$ for this game. I am too honestly. And I went ahead and bought it because of this review. Well, pissed is probably too harsh, since I don't really care about a lousy sixty bucks, but the fact that the money goes to a company that made a game I find so infuriatingly bad... I probably shouldn't dwell on it too much, otherwise I'll start foaming at the mouth.

But yeah, after playing the game, I have a hard time believing Funk likes Football, ever played a football game, or hasn't been paid off. The game is simply that bad. I'd recommend finding LordKaT's video on it before you buy it, as it sums up a good portion of the problems. Mind you, it doesn't touch on all the problems, which says a lot.

Yes, because I haven't directly played three football games this year (one of which was by EA Tiburon...?) and found this the best of the three. Or haven't actually PLAYED football for seven years in my life ;)

I review the experience I have with a game, and it was bar none the most fun I've had with a football game since playing NCAA with my buddies in college. If this isn't your experience with the game, then I'm sorry, but I can't base my review off of what someone else had happen to them; in what universe is that fair?

I found Madden NFL 11 more than worth my $60, which was something I was not expecting.

The number of 1 post users signing up and supporting someone who got his arse (rightly) banned has raised red flags to me.

Not that I care about American Faux Rugby, anyway. Why the hell should play stop just because I got tackled? [/troll]

From what I've seen there must be some bad copies of the game going out or people are in a massive QQ about having to shove another $60 into a madden 11 game in order to continue playing online with friends/other people.

To many first post accounts made at same time to trust anything that person has said.

I'll trust Funk over you sorry

John Funk:
The Superstar mode - where you create a rookie player and make them into a legend - isn't as fun as it could be.

It never is. The only positive experience I've had with the career modes of EA's Football titles would be the Campus Legend mode in NCAA 07 for the Original Xbox. Mostly because they still let you call the plays, manage the team, change players, and set the camera to a normal game perspective. Oh, and listening to Lee and Kirk announce that my player broke the NCAA sack record my senior year was pretty awesome. It felt like you were still playing a game of NCAA 07, but you had a personal stake in one of the players on that field. The more recent games feel more like a game of NCAA with the majority of the features ripped out.

Now I can understand them taking away the team management and play calling abilities to keep it 'realistic'. But they should still let you have the option to allow those features when you start a career. Yeah, people can abuse it, but it is their game. If they want to mess around with it, let them. The purists will still play it straight. Hell I benched myself my freshman year, simply because I couldn't justify to myself starting a true freshman over Paul Posluszny and Dan Connor.

Another big gripe I have with the career modes is the immersion factor, and presentation. During normal games, it's presented as a live broadcast with different camera angles, and color commentary. Actually, this is probably the reason I don't like not having the ability to call plays or manage the team. During career mode games, they ditch the commentary and team management, but keep everything else. This totally breaks the immersion, because right off the bat, it just feels the same but off in some way.

If they're going to present it as you being on the field, they have to do it right. First off, they need to tweak the camera. Put the camera in the huddle between plays. Don't have it cut around the stadium like a broadcast. Keep it near your player. Have the coordinators replace the announcers for between-play dialogue. Give more voice to the players on your team. Have them congratulate you for big plays, and get audibly fired up. Cut to the locker room for half time, and before big playoff or rivalry games. Things like that. Just make it more immersive.

As an example of how not to present a different view, this thread delivers. Inverse barometers are tricky instruments, but this one seems pretty clearly marked.

Me and Funk disagree more than we agree, but I would never put the black spot on him. You can think he's woolly headed, narrow minded, or bass-ackwards (you'd be 1/3 right, but I'm not saying which), but none of those seem worthy of a carelessly labeled "go die" pseudo-joke.

Actually, let me attempt some reverse magic:

Hey, Funk! Your Madden review affects me none! WHY DON'T YOU WALK INTO A CORNER AND LIVE!!!

If you don't like American Football (which come on is the real football) then your not gonna like this game. Sure there are a few complaints like superstar mode could be done a lot better but overall I would give it a 4/5. Very well done but still some room for improvement.

jp201:
If you don't like American Football (which come on is the real football)

Oh no it's not! It's just a bad copy of rugby, which in turn is a deviation of association football (which is probably the closest we get to *actual* ye olde Middle Ages football were it not for the lack of blunt weaponry.)

The only thing I could do while watching my buddy play this (I don't have the first clue about playing Football Sims, so all I could was watch) is laugh at the Clone Army Crowd.
It's like there's some unseen, off-camera man holding up cue cards on the jumbotron:
"Blue Shirts: Jump up and dance!"
"Now...Green Shirts: Boo!"
"Blue Shirts: Sit and shake your arms!"

They all perform the same action at the same time. It's a riot.

Onyx Oblivion:
I'm...I'm going to actually try this out.

TO THE DEMOS!

So I'm not the only one with this independent thought!

Ah who am I kidding I'll never get around to this when there are far more other games out there I wanna try out ;).

This is by far the greatest thread I've ever read. One guy who failed physics desperately trying to be noticed after making as many hotmail accounts as he could think of.

Funk, that was an excellent review. I usually never agree with you, but after actually playing the game, it's the best the series has ever been.

Shame it suffers from Alpha Protocol syndrome - legions of people (or in this case, a couple) who never played the game screaming about how terrible it is.

might get this seasons update, iv missed the last few so this might really bring a feel of NEW to the game.. =]

JEBWrench:
This is by far the greatest thread I've ever read. One guy who failed physics desperately trying to be noticed after making as many hotmail accounts as he could think of.

Funk, that was an excellent review. I usually never agree with you, but after actually playing the game, it's the best the series has ever been.

Shame it suffers from Alpha Protocol syndrome - legions of people (or in this case, a couple) who never played the game screaming about how terrible it is.

QFT; every SINGLE part of your post QFT

John Funk:
Review: Madden NFL 11

It's really not just a yearly roster update.

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Funk, I haven't played since 08. Can you take your custom made play books online and onto franchise mode? You couldn't on 08 if I remember correctly. It really bugged me.

Spinozaad:

And people are hating because a sports game 'doesn't seem to change'. What the fuck is there to change? It's not like the fucking framework of the sport changes every year. When dealing with sportsgames it's not about innovation, it's about improvement. Go gobble a cock.

No, I'm hating on it because of it's a huge ass backslide. I know football games don't innovate. They improve. I'm fine with that. Hell, I'd be fine with this game if it was just a roster update from last year. But it isn't. It's significantly worse than last year's game. Hence the problem.

John Funk:

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I suppose there isn't much else to say then, because with glaring flaws with the injury system, the way rain turns every match into a fumble contest, gameflow calling the most idiotic plays imaginable, players running through the stadium, horrible menu systems, long loading times where there should be none(Changing position in player creation for starters), my skill difficulty setting jumping around, clipping sounds, and more things that weren't even mentioned, I find it hard to believe this review can be both genuine and informed.

JEBWrench:
This is by far the greatest thread I've ever read. One guy who failed physics desperately trying to be noticed after making as many hotmail accounts as he could think of.

Funk, that was an excellent review. I usually never agree with you, but after actually playing the game, it's the best the series has ever been.

Shame it suffers from Alpha Protocol syndrome - legions of people (or in this case, a couple) who never played the game screaming about how terrible it is.

LordKaT is a member of Channel Awesome from Thatguywiththeglasses. He also has a lot of fans, pretty much having two-hundred or so people watching his UStream at all times. He posted a video ranting on Madden, and mentioned John Funk and The Escapist. It's reasonable to assume some of his fans may have registered to complain.

Also, I played the game. I also played the previous few Madden games. I like them. I don't like this one. It's terrible. *edit* Oh, and I liked Alpha Protocol.

infinity_turtles:

Spinozaad:

And people are hating because a sports game 'doesn't seem to change'. What the fuck is there to change? It's not like the fucking framework of the sport changes every year. When dealing with sportsgames it's not about innovation, it's about improvement. Go gobble a cock.

No, I'm hating on it because of it's a huge ass backslide. I know football games don't innovate. They improve. I'm fine with that. Hell, I'd be fine with this game if it was just a roster update from last year. But it isn't. It's significantly worse than last year's game. Hence the problem.

John Funk:

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I suppose there isn't much else to say then, because with glaring flaws with the injury system, the way rain turns every match into a fumble contest, gameflow calling the most idiotic plays imaginable, players running through the stadium, horrible menu systems, long loading times where there should be none(Changing position in player creation for starters), my skill difficulty setting jumping around, clipping sounds, and more things that weren't even mentioned, I find it hard to believe this review can be both genuine and informed.

JEBWrench:
This is by far the greatest thread I've ever read. One guy who failed physics desperately trying to be noticed after making as many hotmail accounts as he could think of.

Funk, that was an excellent review. I usually never agree with you, but after actually playing the game, it's the best the series has ever been.

Shame it suffers from Alpha Protocol syndrome - legions of people (or in this case, a couple) who never played the game screaming about how terrible it is.

LordKaT is a member of Channel Awesome from Thatguywiththeglasses. He also has a lot of fans, pretty much having two-hundred or so people watching his UStream at all times. He posted a video ranting on Madden, and mentioned John Funk and The Escapist. It's reasonable to assume some of his fans may have registered to complain.

Also, I played the game. I also played the previous few Madden games. I like them. I don't like this one. It's terrible. *edit* Oh, and I liked Alpha Protocol.

And I played the game for a weekend and never encountered any of those issues. Do you expect me to review a game based on an experience I never had? Do you expect me to just read forum complaints and go "Oh, I must not have had the right experience"?

And sorry, you'll forgive me for not really caring what some video blogger thinks. I played the game, I had my experiences as a fan of football and someone who played three football games to review this summer, and I stand by my review exactly as written. (And just now looking at some other professional reviews, I'm not alone).

John Funk:

And I played the game for a weekend and never encountered any of those issues. Do you expect me to review a game based on an experience I never had? Do you expect me to just read forum complaints and go "Oh, I must not have had the right experience"?

And sorry, you'll forgive me for not really caring what some video streamer thinks. I played the game, I had my experiences as a fan of football and someone who played three football games to review this summer, and I stand by my review exactly as written. (And just now looking at some other professional reviews, I'm not alone).

Since we both seem to be repeating ourselves, I'll just clarify that I meant I found it hard to believe that after playing the game all weekend like you say, you didn't run into any of these issues. And I wasn't telling who LordKaT was due to anything you said. It was in response to people accusing the one shot posters of being him.

John Funk? You are everything I will aspire to never be like when I get into game reviewing. I mean seriously. Were you drunk? Were you stoned? Were you bribed? Did they hold your family hostage? Did you pay someone to write this? Was this a trial you had to undertake to earn greater power? Did this simply fall into your lap from a parallel dimension and you thought "Cool! More time to play better games."? Seriously, help me out here. Call it optimism that I don't really believe anyone can be this blind.

You did get one thing right. This isn't a yearly roster update. It's the biggest step backwards I've ever seen a long standing franchise take. It's an insult to the fans of Madden, especially ones that are also true blue fans of the NFL. The only thing missing is John Madden himself laughing at you for being stupid enough to buy this corporate cash-in.

And maybe if I hadn't already turned my copy back in and got a credit off of on a good game (Used copy of Red Dead Redemption. Guess who didn't have to pay $10 to start playing that online?) I might have done a counter review to this one, showcasing how every positive point you've made is either a bold faced lie or completely ignores the multitude of negatives that invalidate it.

The only thing worse than this game was this review. Which in itself is an accomplishment so...congratulations.

John Funk:
And sorry, you'll forgive me for not really caring what some video blogger thinks.

He certainly didn't show you any respect, but you can at least have some respect on your end though.

He is a part of thatguywiththeglasses.com which is almost as popular as Escapist Magazine: image.

His personal website is almost as popular as Warcry:
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And he has nearly ten times the twitter followers as you do. Its also already been mentioned that he has somewhere between 200-500 people watching him on his ustream at live.lordkat.com 24/7, even while he sleeps!

Not that popularity has anything to do with who's right, I just think it would be wise not to treat others like lowly insignificant web bloggers when they actually have a large following and represent a lot of people.

Spinozaad:

And people are hating because a sports game 'doesn't seem to change'. What the fuck is there to change? It's not like the fucking framework of the sport changes every year. When dealing with sportsgames it's not about innovation, it's about improvement. Go gobble a cock.

Good point...

...Except that a vast majority of the complaints were indeed over the quality of the actual game and barely any that panned the games innovation. Just watch LordKaT's video. Even though I never played the game before and I think he was out of line for calling Funk out for having his own opinion, his complaints were based on the quality and not on the innovation. As for the people who are complaining about innovation, they are admittedly missing the point of sports games. Though, you have to admit having a new game in the same series for a year over nearly 20 years is just sad, regardless of genre. Plus, just because a game is based on a sport, it doesn't mean they can't try something new.

Mr. Funk, simply going by the fact that a Madden game is getting good reviews is not the wisest of ideas to defend your position. Reviews of franchises as big as Madden tend to be some of the most corrupt and brown-nosed of written or spoken considerations. Especially when said franchise has a monopoly on a particular market, which regardless of how many football games are made in a year Madden does have a monopoly on players. As for a counter to your review itself, upon viewing more of this game I cannot fathom how anyone could say it has decent graphics when compared to the majority of games currently on the market for the 360 or PS3. Its textures look like they belong in the last generation of consoles to be considered decent and the graphics as a whole fail to compare to the better looking games on the previous consoles. If all else fails, stating this game looks good or faithfully renders everything (I have heard it is using one or two stadiums that no longer exist) does put your personal credibility into question.

My oh my, aren't we having LordKat followers on these forums? I know him from "Until we Win" videos on the most challenging video games of the NES era.

But I'll have to agree with LordKat. It's the same series since John Madden got his game debut and the "If ain't broke, don't fix it" formula of Madden seems to work. And yes, Madden has been bashed by all sides of gamers, much more hatred than jRPGs.

But threatening or wanting a reviewer to die kinda crosses the line though.

I think part of this massive dichotomy stems from two things.

1. All we have from Mr. Funk (heh) is his word. Sadly we didn't see him play all through the weekend. And I didn't pay much attention so I'm not entirely sure whether he got a review copy or one he got from the local best buy or whatever.

2. LordKat on the other hand went to the store, plunked down 60$ and played it over his livestream. Not just seasonal, but also numerous multiplayer games with other TGWTG contributors including Noah Antwiler. Over the same course of time.

The difference here is that Mr. Funk sadly didn't have 200-800 witnesses watching him play the game at differing points of the day. And from what I've heard and seen he CONTINUES to play the game over livestream.

Ultimately both had differing opinions. However the biggest difference, and the one that had likely enraged Jason the most, was that Mr. Funk is a Professional Writer and Reviewer. Meaning that in his, and mine for that matter, mind he should have been absolutely truthful and fair. Instead we have a shining review for a game that was technically rushed, unpolished, difficult to handle, and an insult to the system it belongs to. When LordKAt does a review only a few hundred people at most will see it. However, Mr. Funk's short article will get thousands of views. Thousands of people will be influenced by that weekend of play that only he has seen. So, from that point of view I can see where one might feel a great injustice has been wrought.

Now, as to whether or not Mr. Funk got lucky or not in my mind that doesn't matter. If differing regions or stores are getting differing qualities of game that means quite simply the manufacturing and coding are shoddy and terrible. Just because your crappy car has never exploded while ten others have doesn't make that a generally safe car. Also saying that you drove even crappier cars within the past year doesn't really help your argument. Being the king of the poo still makes you a big pile of poo.

In the end Mr. Bullara overreacted. Poor guy does have something of a temper. But most if not all his points are right and are even backed up with eyewitness testimony and recordings. And his fans are rushing to his defense not only because they're his fans but because they are witnesses to what they feel is a great misstep.

And thus we come to the crux of the issue We want to believe Mr. Funk because he is a professional and is paid to be honest. However that job is made all the more difficult if he gives a good review when hundreds of others witnessed the actual work in progress for playing and reviewing a game that found obvious and glaring flaws in quality. Add to the fact that the man is not about to bring a camera into his living room and show the world how he plays madden in his underpants and it adds a whole new level of difficulty to the problem. And let's not forget that little thing called ad revenue. I can't sa for certain where the majority of the Escapists funds come from but LordKat's money comes purely through the number of views he has and merchandise he sells. He has no control over the ads that show up over Blip whereas The Escapist has to attract advertisers. So it makes one wonder whether or not reviewers are forced to smile and bear it to ensure they can pay this months rent. And with that knowledge in the hands of the readers it makes the job still more difficult.

Wow that was long. I'm going to go back to bed now.

You guys remember that time when the Escapist didn't have a star rating system? What terrible and confusing times those were. Now there is no more confusion!

Everyone should take a step back though. What we have here is a miscommunication between two people who really should be on the same team.

As much as Team LordKat would like to believe, Funk was not paid off and this is not some kind of unspoken breach in gaming critique.
As much as Team Funk would like to believe, LordKat is not a vile creature, even though he and his fanbase have become pretty heated.

These two people have very different perspectives and methods of reviewing a game and LordKat was not happy with what he saw in John Funk's review, LordKat then quickly made a brash response over many different mediums (comments, Twitter, videos on his website) that involved criticizing Funk as a person and Escapist Magazine as a whole. It was completely inappropriate, and this whole fight is hurting everyone involved, especially fans of both parties, The Guy With The Glasses, and Escapist Magazine.

This game is a game - it is allowed to be taken differently by different people. Both sides (Funk and LordKat) have very distinct and different claims to the game and their reviews, so little else needs to be said.

Finally, yes, new people have joined the forums just to comment on this issue - this does not make the trolls, this makes them INSPIRED, and I'd like to welcome them as they bring new perspectives that we may have not seen previously in this thread or forum.

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