Zero Punctuation: Metroid Other M

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QUINTIX:
I'm not sure why quote is not working...

But for those of you who mentioned moviebob...

Go to the end.

...

Wow.

Just...wow...I didn't even notice that...

He honestly thinks that this game is BETTER than the Prime series? I mean, there's opinion and then there's just...

This one actually made me laugh out loud.

I don't know why, but this bit:

"So you want to know who the traitor turned out to be? *Suspenseful Pause* .. "Well so the fuck would I."

I don't know why, but I found that hilarious.

Yes, Metroid Prime was the best one.

Flamma Man:
Wow.

Just...wow...I didn't even notice that...

He honestly thinks that this game is BETTER than the Prime series? I mean, there's opinion and then there's just...

Seriously, you're surprised by this? What exactly were you expecting? He hates first-person shooters and absolutely loves retro-style 2D platformers. In that Heavens to Metroid video everyone keeps linking, he has an angelic hallelujah because Other M isn't first person. Sentiments like that really shouldn't be shocking anyone. It's one of the main reasons his opinions have been ignored by the detractors.

Apropos of nothing, you guys were aware that TomTom are in negotiations to use the voice of Brian Blessed in their GPS navigation products?

No, I'm not kidding...

sunburst313:
Seriously, you're surprised by this? What exactly were you expecting? He hates first-person shooters and absolutely loves retro-style 2D platformers. In that Heavens to Metroid video everyone keeps linking, he has an angelic hallelujah because Other M isn't first person. Sentiments like that really shouldn't be shocking anyone. It's one of the main reasons his opinions have been ignored by the detractors.

I know I shouldn't be surprised but, but the way he puts it at the end of the video, it's as if he's stating it as fact.

I mean...jeez.

I would like to step in after the....13 pages of Nintendo fanboys vs everyone else which this review has no doubt generated to say this.

Ladies, gentlemen, it has arrived. We are in THE FUTURE. Yes, that's right, one can now craft a pithy remark regarding the relative stupidity of a person or thing by referring to an actual, physical, real-life robotic vacuum cleaner.

Or, in other words - get it up yae 1960's futurists, I am from the year 2010, and robots do my housework. Some of it. Poorly.

MY POINT STANDS DAMMIT.

GloatingSwine:

SAMAS:

1: He accuses the video of obsession with Sexualization, when the whole point of the video was that the charactization of Samus that people say has been "Raped" (actually said by Spoony) is an entirely fan-made projection. The only mentions of Sexuality are in respone to the accusations made by many critics and fanboys alike, even on this very thread (probably this very page).

There are clear indications of the characterisation we are supposed to have drawn for Samus from the limited details previously provided though. The original Metroid manual states outright that she is considered to be the best of the bounty hunters, who are only brought in when existing Federation forces are simply not up to snuff. Even before she saved the galaxy seven times over she was literally considered the single hardest person in the universe.

By people who didn't even know her gender. She's not the first character to have an exaggerated legendary status (that she actually lives up to for the most part, especially in the doing department).

Now I'm not saying Samus isn't a badass. Not even in light of this game. It's just that now we see that she does the job despite any fears and insecurities she may have inside, not due to a lack of them.

This is actually one of the first things established in the manga. Her public image is a different than how she acts when she's alone. It then goes on that she considers both sides of her as part of her whole being.

RagingScottsman:
Brilliant as always Yahtzee. I had my suspicions about this game to begin with.

viking97:
awesomem review yahtzee, i had a feeling this would be rather crap.

it appears most of the other reviewers are being extra special nice to it for some reason..

Tharticus:
I had my suspicions on Metroid Other M. Now that makes it 3:1 saying Other M is bad.

Good job Mr. Croshaw. And I can't wait for your extra punctuation column on this game.

You guys and everyone else that watches ZP reviews for anything other then comedic entertainment are idiots in need of culling. Her monotone is a suitable tone considering she is a lonely bounty hunter with the weight of the universe on her shoulders and she has lost everyone that she was close to. Family, the chozo, the baby metroid. You guys have to realize Yahtzee exaggerates everything. this game is not bad just because one guy rants about it for comedic effect.

GloatingSwine:

BehattedWanderer:

88mph:

the actual plot of the game is totally forgettable - as in it takes a back seat to the personal story of samus - one that some people including myself didn't quite appreciate, if you want to get into semantics

either way, once the game ended and you return to the ship, that is when i thought "now this is a metroid game", nobody there holding your hand spelling out every subtle feeling Samus might have, just the world of metroid and exploration

prior to the ending tho, the game might as well have been fan fiction on a forum

Out of curiosity, have you ever really been impressed by a Metroid story or plot, though? Even the highly touted Prime games have little in the way of memorable, distinct plot. Those particular plots took the backseat to exploration and reading. Super Metroid's plot was second to playing with your various new toys as you got them, and figuring out all the little nooks and crannies you could tuck into for loot. Story has never really been their focus, always being there casually, but background to wandering around finding new ways to go to different rooms in the places you've already been.

Which makes it all the more bizarre that they suddenly decided they needed an overblown cutscene fest with linear levels instead of, y'know, a Metroid game.

You seem pretty fixated on the fact that backstory and narrative was revealed through the use of cutscene, rather than...what? Reading it off of a scan? Hearing someone spout a single line of conversation before a shootout? Playing through three and a half other games that all come after the prequel you make to be your sendoff of a series to understand thoroughly what the inevitable fate of your protagonists are? Yes, it's weird seeing and hearing what's going on behind the visor, and it wasn't handled as best as it could have been, but actually having some exposition about the woman in the suit of power armor is a nice change from just assuming everything she does is on autonomic reflex of "beep! Beep! Shoot kill!*

*snip

You're either going to ignore me completely or burn me to cinders, but I wanted to point out that Samus hadn't fought Ridly more than once at this point in the story.

Hilarious review as always!

Nintenfan81:
You're either going to ignore me completely or burn me to cinders, but I wanted to point out that Samus hadn't fought Ridly more than once at this point in the story.

Hilarious review as always!

except you would be wrong. Metroid and Super Metroid precede this game chronologically.

Nintenfan81:
You're either going to ignore me completely or burn me to cinders, but I wanted to point out that Samus hadn't fought Ridly more than once at this point in the story.

She fought Ridley in Metroid, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 3 and Super Metroid. Metroid: Other M takes place directly after Super Metroid which takes place after the other 3. Why would you say something like that when you have no idea what you're talking about?

QUINTIX:
I'm not sure why quote is not working...

But for those of you who mentioned moviebob...

Go to the end.

Yes, he likes Other M. He says as much in the video mentioned before.

BehattedWanderer:

GloatingSwine:

BehattedWanderer:

88mph:

the actual plot of the game is totally forgettable - as in it takes a back seat to the personal story of samus - one that some people including myself didn't quite appreciate, if you want to get into semantics

either way, once the game ended and you return to the ship, that is when i thought "now this is a metroid game", nobody there holding your hand spelling out every subtle feeling Samus might have, just the world of metroid and exploration

prior to the ending tho, the game might as well have been fan fiction on a forum

Out of curiosity, have you ever really been impressed by a Metroid story or plot, though? Even the highly touted Prime games have little in the way of memorable, distinct plot. Those particular plots took the backseat to exploration and reading. Super Metroid's plot was second to playing with your various new toys as you got them, and figuring out all the little nooks and crannies you could tuck into for loot. Story has never really been their focus, always being there casually, but background to wandering around finding new ways to go to different rooms in the places you've already been.

Which makes it all the more bizarre that they suddenly decided they needed an overblown cutscene fest with linear levels instead of, y'know, a Metroid game.

You seem pretty fixated on the fact that backstory and narrative was revealed through the use of cutscene, rather than...what? Reading it off of a scan? Hearing someone spout a single line of conversation before a shootout? Playing through three and a half other games that all come after the prequel you make to be your sendoff of a series to understand thoroughly what the inevitable fate of your protagonists are? Yes, it's weird seeing and hearing what's going on behind the visor, and it wasn't handled as best as it could have been, but actually having some exposition about the woman in the suit of power armor is a nice change from just assuming everything she does is on autonomic reflex of "beep! Beep! Shoot kill!*

Honestly, as a fan, I would have preferred better cutscenes. As much as I can understand and agree with what Team Ninja seemed to be trying, Even I admit they kinda messed up on the execution.

Scrumpmonkey:
Metroid is a girl? :P

I would assume some of them are, given the prescience of Metroid Queens.

GloatingSwine:

epsilon246:
n most Metroid games he explodes, in Prime 3 he is actually completely disintegrated, and he still comes back for Super Metroid.

That was even after he got Balrog'd, wasn't it?

FallenMessiah88:
So it is decided then. Metroid: Other M is officially one of the biggest gaming shitstorms of 2010.

Of just 2010? What's the last game that generated these kinds of forum wars?

[quote="BehattedWanderer" post="6.233866.8282495"]I remember the torrent of bullshit that fell on Dom from Gears of War 2 because he actually cared about the welfare of his wife, and that while we all saw it coming, empathizing with him for the revelation of her fate was still a poignant moment.

It's fine that Dom cared about his wife, but as a soldier who has an assignment that could very well decide the fate of all mankind? Though honestly, Marcus should get more of the blame there for not getting Dom to focus on the big picture and letting his friend pretty much repeat his own mistake.

SAMAS:

Honestly, as a fan, I would have preferred better cutscenes. As much as I can understand and agree with what Team Ninja seemed to be trying, Even I admit they kinda messed up on the execution.

It's why I make the distinction of theory versus execution. There's a lot they did right, but the parts they did wrong have got the most attention.

Space Jawa:

Scrumpmonkey:
Metroid is a girl? :P

I would assume some of them are, given the prescience of Metroid Queens.

GloatingSwine:

epsilon246:
n most Metroid games he explodes, in Prime 3 he is actually completely disintegrated, and he still comes back for Super Metroid.

That was even after he got Balrog'd, wasn't it?

FallenMessiah88:
So it is decided then. Metroid: Other M is officially one of the biggest gaming shitstorms of 2010.

Of just 2010? What's the last game that generated these kinds of forum wars?

BehattedWanderer:
I remember the torrent of bullshit that fell on Dom from Gears of War 2 because he actually cared about the welfare of his wife, and that while we all saw it coming, empathizing with him for the revelation of her fate was still a poignant moment.

It's fine that Dom cared about his wife, but as a soldier who has an assignment that could very well decide the fate of all mankind? Though honestly, Marcus should get more of the blame there for not getting Dom to focus on the big picture and letting his friend pretty much repeat his own mistake.

So him being a soldier makes it more bearable? Top tier bounty hunters just get the shaft, eh? That they start out alone means they get to stay alone, not allowed to form meaningful attachments?

Yeah, I'll stop that now. Take that a bit sarcastically, if you don't mind.

Argol228:

You guys and everyone else that watches ZP reviews for anything other then comedic entertainment are idiots in need of culling. Her monotone is a suitable tone considering she is a lonely bounty hunter with the weight of the universe on her shoulders and she has lost everyone that she was close to. Family, the chozo, the baby metroid. You guys have to realize Yahtzee exaggerates everything. this game is not bad just because one guy rants about it for comedic effect.

Oh, I'm a idiot? Mr. Croshaw nails almost everything on the head. Graphics and gameplay aside that it's good, it's only the long cutscenes, the boring monotone, monologues that then calls "Baby" a thousand times, Electra complex, and the cutscene that feature Samus quake in her boots for seeing Ridley.

You may not see Mr. Croshaw's review as serious, I played Other M before his review, as well as the other Metroid games.

Simply don't judge a book by it's cover.

Also, something tells me you didn't play Other M.

This review makes me think about the interview with the developers of this game.

I did want to believe that those guys weren't just fulfilling some contract-binded marketing for the game, but alas, employers they were and creators they very little could be.

[scrubbed]

Great review but I still love the game. Though you are right about the cheesy dialogue and the suit "magically" falling off ALL THE TIME!

LoL at the mock dialogue part. Spot on! Spot on!

Flamma Man:

QUINTIX:
I'm not sure why quote is not working...

But for those of you who mentioned moviebob...

Go to the end.

...

Wow.

Just...wow...I didn't even notice that...

He honestly thinks that this game is BETTER than the Prime series? I mean, there's opinion and then there's just...

MovieBob has always had some extreme fanboy issues but they've only really become a massive detractor after he was picked up by Screwattack, for me anyway. Recently he seems to be going on tirade about how much he hates FPS and it culminates in his most recent episode where he flat out states that FPS are the reason for all of gaming's problems, without actually saying why of course. It comes to no surprise to me that he hates the thought of Metroid being an FPS, probably sees it as some sort of mutation of a beloved childhood franchise or something.

Anyway, as for the game and the review; Yahtzee seems to have pretty much hit the nail on the head. A lot of people are trying to avoid the pathetic characterization of Samus by saying that it takes her from a 1D character to a 3D character which is pretty much false, it takes her from a silent 1D character to a 1D character that bitches a lot and needs saving from the final boss, and that this is good writing. It isn't good writing folks, it's terrible. She's a whining bitch who exposits everything, basically becomes a damsel in distress during the cut scenes but turns into the hero during gameplay. The story is contrived and tries to cram it's imagery and metaphors down our throats and generally treats us like morons. That's bad writing folks, it's really bad writing and as Yahtzee is a published Author while Moviebob and his ilk are not I know who I'll trust in regards to story. Not to say that Yahtzee is always 100% right, however here he definitely has more credentials than Moviebob and random Nintendo fanboys.

I also want to address the Real Women Never Wear Dresses trope that this thing is likely going to come down to, if it hasn't already. I hate that female characters have to have 'male' attributes to be considered a positive role model. She can't bake, clean, be a mother, wear dresses, have any real weaknesses and can't dare have high levels of affection otherwise she be considered sexist. I hate that for two reasons, one) it encourages cookie-cutter characters, and 2) it's complete bullshit. A good aversion of this trope is found in Sailor Moon and I actually have to recommend checking out a couple of episodes of the original Japanese version because it's interesting stuff.

Anyway, defense of Samus' new character direction seems to be falling back to this with people claiming haters don't like her because she isn't there vision of a 'perfect female protagonist' and for a female to be a liked character she has to be as close to a 'male character' as possible. Bullshit I say. Samus has gone to far into the deep end and isn't hated because she has weaknesses and emotions, but because she is those weaknesses and emotions. She has become a ball of angst and whining which is what people hate, not because she doesn't fit into the preconceived notions of what a 'feminist' female character should be.

"The gameplay is infinitely stronger in that it's merely 'bad'."
Brilliant line :D

Argol228:
You guys and everyone else that watches ZP reviews for anything other then comedic entertainment are idiots in need of culling. Her monotone is a suitable tone considering she is a lonely bounty hunter with the weight of the universe on her shoulders and she has lost everyone that she was close to. Family, the chozo, the baby metroid. You guys have to realize Yahtzee exaggerates everything. this game is not bad just because one guy rants about it for comedic effect.

My thoughts exactly.

I had the opportunity to play the game before this review. It's a real shame that so many would see the game as "crap" rather than see that the video is critiquing the game, because it's his job to nitpick and be very critical of a game, hence video game critic.

I really enjoyed playing other M and would have never guessed that there would be such an opinion on the voice acting, as she spoke very honestly and intelligently. "Robotic" or "dry" voice? "Over the top emotional"? No, I don't think so, she was very composed and her responses were very human.

A great video, it's just a shame that they ruined Samus character. What Yahtzee said was right, she just was a woman in previous games. I always respected her character since she managed to be a woman without being one of the god awful stereotypes in the entertainment industry. I'll just go play Metroid Fusion to remember how she used to be.

I couldn't stop laughing. Yay for screwing up yet another game series. Good job Yahtzee!

I'm a huge Metroid fan but even I agree with everything Yahtzee said. Which is suprising since i've been disagreeing with a lot of his reviews lately.

You know I could have also guessed from the box art that Samus' armour was going to fall off every 5 minutes. There are seemingly 2 picturs of Saumus, one where she is not wearing her armour and another where we can see her through her face through her armour.

Admittedly, I didn't get into the Metroid franchise til just last year. I played Prime and then Fusion and enjoyed both, but I'll never understand why people almost exclusively compared this game to the Prime trilogy rather than what Metroid originally was and what even the gameplay currently pays homage to. The Prime series was the first drastic step towards drastically changing the gameplay and the reason why I think people universally accept it here in the West because we're comfortable with this style of play already. Admittedly, Retro did an amazing job regardless to keep Metroid's original feel, but if it weren't for a comfortable controller and the level of detail/execution, I would have gotten frustrated with its slow, clunky controls and annoying camera.

Haven't people been asking for Nintendo to do something radically different anyway? Be careful what you wish for.

I am pretty much indifferent to this whole squabble of RUINED FOREVER! probably due to my limited time in the fanbase, so to speak. I don't see Samus' character getting ruined probably because I don't feel the connection with what little there was to character her by and therefor, don't care too much, but this thread sounds nothing more than a raging feminist column.

Why didn't he review Reach?

BlueInkAlchemist:
So the best way to enjoy a game that's trying not to be an FPS is to play an FPS? Huh.

When was Samus established as having a "bold, independent spirit"? I don't remember that being mentioned at all in any of the games other than the fact that you, the player, are controlling her and she's completely alone. She blindly followed our orders even if it meant smacking into a wall repeatedly when our phones rang or falling into an acid pit when we mis-judged a jump she probably could have handled were she in control of her own body.

This sounds so much like so many other arguments against Other M I'm wondering if Yahtzee either got bored with the ZP enterprise now that his novel's out or has just been too busy to form salient points that he's cribbed notes from other sources. Not that I myself would ever do such a thing.

Funny? Yes. Accurate? No idea. I'm too poor to own a Wii. But I find myself kinda confused by all of the hatred. Maybe it's just me.

Since when has any Metroid game since Super Nintendo not needed good FPS mechanics? The main character's defining traits include a GUN ON HER ARM. If Team Ninja was trying to make a non-FPS game, they picked the wrong franchise. This isn't Zelda.

Arguing that a protagonist is some quality because the player controlling them does stupid things is ridiculous. So if I play Arkham Asylum and make Batman die over and over by missing punches, does that mean Batman is an incompetent klutz? NO.

It doesn't matter if Samus is a silent protagonist, there are tons of pieces of information from the earlier Metroid games that establish who she is, including most glaringly the audio/scan logs from Prime et. al. Samus is a bounty hunter but she hunts Space Pirates, Ridley, and the rest out of a determination to seek the unknown and keep others safe (remember how every mission ever begins with her responding to a distress call without promise of reward?). She is, in every game, either the first explorer or the one-woman rescue team. If there's any part of this description that doesn't scream bold and independent then I challenge you to find it.

Yahtzee has made plenty of biased questionable reviews. This is not even close. The fact that he shares criticisms with many other sources should tell you that the game is, in fact, shit, and the plot makes me personally cringe.

Yeah, nobody likes the story. Nobody. Also, where are the Chozon? You know, the bird liek aliens that developed her suit which is the MOST ADVANCED PIECE OF PERSONAL MILLITARY HARDWARE IN THE GALAXY. I mean, Jesus the thing FUSES with the wearer, except for the carapace which is removable via command sequence for maitinance and repair. Anyway, how does somthing three centuries ahead of everyone else get taken out by one low powered shot to the back? This isn't even a space pirate level gun, and we know that Samus can take a ton of those. And why is she only NOW scared of Riddly whom she's killed officialy 17 times. And don't give us that childhood trauma crap, that would have been resolved in the first game timeline wise, which I think is still the origional for the NES even after all the inserts over the series.

Samus is a total badass with limited emotions. No seriously, she actually has limited emotions as she was trained for most of her life by her foster parents to suppress all emotion. She is a cold blooded mercenary killer for hire that none the less has a strict personal code that dictates what sort of jobs she'll take. i.e. she won't attack inocent people, but criminals are not only fair game, she'll even give a discount! Why would you take a tough as nails positive female empowerment rolemodle and suddenly make her a weepy, emotional mess that needs to be rescued, has 'dady' issues, and has her armor fall off? That's like depowering Wonder Woman....oh wait they tried that. It was an attempt to show that women didn't need super powers to be powerful. Curious about how well that worked out? It took less than a year to change back due to accusations of sexism to have depowered the only well known major female hero, and whats more ironic is that the public felt that it had the oposite message, that even the best amoung women would never have a chance to meassure up to males. I can see if they were trying to make Samus more sympathetic and relateable, but they flubbed it on such a massive scale I'm not even going to give them a chance to repent.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to go pee through their mail slot. And by that, I mean throw a letter bomb in there. And by letter bomb I mean you might want to avoid that city for the next fifteen to twenty years, depending on how long it takes the radiation to fade.

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