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You need to re-read the wiki, then. "Technical support" doesn't mean "doing it for you", or even "helping you finish it", either of which "assistance" implies. I do technical support for a living. There's a vast difference. | |
Well New Vegas has worked fine for me so far, which it seems is very lucky for me. One problem that has come up many times for me is that in first person mode my characters arms will go up and block my view. Other than that minor problem it seems I've been very lucky in having avoided all these problems that most people have had. Yay for me! :D | |
'support and guidance' are the exact words | |
Actually I didn't have any problems except stuttering/lag when npcs were around (fixed it with a mod) and a couple of crashes. I must've been lucky or you are all lying! Waha hahaha ha ha ha.. | |
You beat me to it! But at the same time, stability means absolutely nothing if the game is unbalanced - Just like Dragon Age. As the saying goes, I'd rather play an unpolished gem than a polished turd. | |
Thank you! | |
I'm surprised you read all the responses to your article. I don't know whether to applaud you for caring or to cry for you (because that must have been hell). | |
Ok then im lucky guy :-/ Besides well known questing / script / clipping bugs i didnt experience any game breaking bugs. Its ok for now day standarts, when there are a ton of buged games released. | |
If I remember correctly, he did hint at the fact that the game would be fun if it weren't so broken. At least I got that impression. | |
I just read the article. I read this column every week and the tone of this article is different to the rest. It reads like a forum post. Shamus, you've stooped to their (my) level! Don't do that! Rise above it. Do some yoga or something. | |
Which is exactly how I would describe my job. If you watch a developer interview on KOTOR2, Feargus Urquhart says "We're doing everything, but without the work done before by BioWare it would be impossible". In both cases - KOTOR2 and NWN2 - the engine was BioWare's, but the work done in and with it was all Obsidian. Because the engine was BioWare's, BioWare's name went on the product, even though they had nothing to do with the direct production of that title. That's how the software world works. | |
Double-postey. | |
More persecution complex from the PC gaming community. Gotta do something to justifying buying an unfinished product from a company that continues putting out such, I guess. Yes just keep your chest puffed up like that. And maybe if we keep feeding them money, they'll change sometime soon. Your argument in a nutshell: "*points* Look over there. *points elsewhere* Now look over there. *points another direction* There too. Why won't you address things that are not part of what you were writing about?! And I demand a thorough explanation of the same handful of so-called game-breaking bugs everyone has been reporting from this game, because I don't think I believe you, Mister Man!!! SHOW ME A PERFECT GAME OR SHUT YOUR DAMNED MOUTH-HOLE AND STOP BEING A MEANIE BY POINTING OUT NV'S FLAWS AS IF YOU'RE A GAME CRITIC OR SOMETHING, PUNY HUMAN!!! YOU WILL FIGHT ME ON MY TERMS!!!" | |
Im one of those people who say "it worked for me". Why? Because it did. Infact, ive modded the game to hell and back now. I probably have 30 or 40 mods loaded up and running at once. And its still smooth and bug free. And if there are any bugs i would notice, i forget about them. yes, the radscorpion is sticking halfway in the ground. So shoot it and move on, its not like its worth any less xp. I even went through a list of bugs ((thank you fallout wiki for having many listed)) and went looking for bugs! I wanted to see if i could locate even a few of the list. I ended up finding one, and it crashed my game. You know what? I reloaded my save, tried it again, and it worked fine. It was a one time fluke i forgot about minutes later, and never complained about. Your "gripes" are just that. Petty gripes. Your letting minor bugs get under your skin. Infact, half the bugs ive seen in videos or such, i find comical, and wish HAD happened to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKIkw3LIoQ Yes theres bugs. But you can ignore them. Or put the game on hold for a week until it gets patched. Or go play Fable 3 until they patch New Vegas. Or take a vacation with your family. Or pull some overtime for some extra cash so you can get your kid a better christmas gift. Your words were "So, everyone knows about this so we ... shouldn't discuss it?". | |
Wasn't Bethesda supposed to test NV though? | |
You covered some of my favourite bad arguments here: "I didn't have any problems"--I drove home drunk last night and didn't die**. Doesn't mean it's not dangerous to do so. So the question becomes, "so what?" "Your computer sucks!"--While this can technically be true, it's thrown out as part of the fanboy defense so often it's ridiculous and hard not to roll your eyes every time someone says it. My computer does suck, for the record. If I play the game, it will be on the 360, which has bugs despite having a hardware standard. "You didn't talk about the good things"--On top of Shamus not writing a review of the game, a game should not be talked up for doing what it's supposed to do. This is part of a larger issue with the "Illusion of Fairness." "Bias"--People should call out bias in reporting. Even reviews are biased, because it's hard to objectively measure much more than graphics and audio. You can't measure things like "fun" completely objectively. Even things like controls are hard to measure that way. And beyond that, Experienced Points is pretty clear about its role. He didn't even need to bring up his article's opinion nature. "Blame the publisher"--I do. But I don't blame them solely. They should be the last line, not the first. All said, it still brings up a big question: Why defend a broken game? Won't that beget more of the same? My money's on yes. **DISCLAIMER: Zachary Amaranth did not drive home drunk last night. Drinking and driving is stupid and may result in death. I don't always drink, but when I do, I never touch Dos Equis. | |
I just found my new troll insult. Thank you (: | |
THANK YOUAll that needs to be said really. | |
Funny you mention that. One of the biggest problems with Gears of War for PC is that it deletes the save games from time to time. And while it hasn't crashed on me yet, don't even get me started on the wonky mechanics... This game has been lying on my PC for a year, unfinished, because of its stupid mechanics. By the way, have you REALLY received all those complains? Wholy macaroni... | |
Well I don't know why we're even discussing this because this just helps my point. But whatever! | |
Whoah thar mister, yah gotta slow down fer' us simple folk. Too many o' them fancy wordin's in that thar sentence. Ima have t' get me a dic-shun-ary after I milk ol' bessie. | |
I love how we have become complacent with our videogames. If it even remotely runs, we will defend it, no matter how buggy, or problematic the game is, because we are more disinclined to take it the way it is than to strive for something better. Thank you, Shamus. -Raptor, out. | |
I think this problem is all across the board. I love the game, but I am tired of getting corrupt saved files. | |
Dragon Age just crashed and I lost 3-4 hours of gaming. Auto-saving, where were you?? I'm in the mood for hating on bugs right now, good on ya Shamus! Somebody has to make a fuss about these things, because most of us just except them now. | |
i dont know why people flame about.... flaming about bugs? GAH! new vegas was fun, i'll give it that, but buggy as hell, now, i have nothing against obsidian, or zeni, but obsidian released a buggy game, they deserve to be criticised, and yes, it may be a HUGE game with an old engine, but that's not a proper excuse, you make stuff work with what you'r given, and if you get bugger all, you make do, and they tried, they just fell a tad short. at least i got a patch to fix up a few of the worst bugs, but they should make it 95% bug free on release. | |
You dind't even bother to read the article, did you? Last time I checked, your saved game imploding is not considered a "minor bug". You got lucky, go you, that doesn't change the game being a mess for other people, which from what I've heard is even more frustrating because the game itself is pretty awesome. That the game is awesome doesn't stop it from being a broken mess. | |
First the topic at hand. I pre-ordered Fallout New Vegas - silly old me. I'll never make that mistake of trusting Bethesda or Obsidian again. They've burned be before. In the game, I press New Game. Upon finishing the introduction video to FNV, I am immediately greeted by "Fallout_NV.EXE has stopped working." Classic CTD. After 4 days of playing other non-broken games while waiting for a response/patch from Bethesda/Obsidian, I start researching. Apparently I have to use a DLL file that was made by some fan in 2008 for Fallout 3. d3d9.dll - you place it in the FNV directory. After 30.5 hours of game time, I've finished the game. It was certainly fun enough at times. Brilliant even. But I'm growing tired of the Oblivion engine and its design limitations. Does it have some other bugs? Certainly. WARNING: Spoilers ahead. It has the occasional CTD which has only occured when loading a new area. I've been lucky in that I've frequently saved. The save-game corruption issue happens specifically in the REPCONN facility mission known as "Come Fly With Me." If you're unlucky enough to have gotten that issue - all subsequent savegames will become corrupted as well. Autosaves' own worst nightmare. But I somehow manoeuvred around that problem by some strategic saving and alternate routes. There was some other bugs as well. Branching quests accumulating into branching bugs. After I dispatched Benny in The Top's - as I left the building, my accomplice "Boone" was nowhere to be found. So I thought he had skedaddled, and tried to hire another goon. But he said "you've already got company." I was annoyed, but I didn't think more about it. Until I went to see Caesar ("Render Unto Caesar"). Now is when a bug from the Benny quest piled up on top of the next (unrelated) quest. As I was approaching the camp of Caesar's Legion, I showed him my "Mark of Caesar" - giving me free passage to see Caesar. Yet, they always ended up attacking. After some researching, I learned that it's because my accomplice "Boone" had gotten bugged after the "Kill Benny" quest. He was in my party - but he wasn't there. I was apparently not alone in having this bug. I had to load back in time to BEFORE killing Benny and tell Boone that "we need to go our seperate ways." That way I don't get that bug later on. Then, Caesar's Legion at the camp no longer attacked me. I feel like I'm playing Back To The Future here. But Isn't that game some 2 months off? Anyways, there are so many bugs in this game that it would take an entire essay to write about all of them. Don't take mine or Shamus' word for it. If you really want specifics, check the Bethesda forums, and you can read a myriad of rich bug reports. It's the buggiest game I've played in recent memory. The other being Alpha Protocol... But Alpha Protocol was a mediocre game anyhow - so it wasn't much of a loss that it was bugged. Bethesda and/or Obsidian will never get any more pre-orders from me. I'm a fool for even buying into the concept of a pre-order. Pre-orders almost guarantee that the game will be shitty upon release. They attempt to goad us into pre-ordering by offering us cheap trinkets like "special items." Corporate shareholders who are in it for the short haul must love this business model. Early bursts in the revenues and stock value, pre-empting any critical journalism which could potentially depress the stock price. This business model splits the risk faced by publishers. Now for something completely OT.
OT I'm not a grammar nazi at heart. I usually don't criticize people's usage of words - be it pretentious fancy words or anything stupid. A varied vocabulary means we get less bored to read the same meanings over again. But it irks me when a grammar nazi doesn't do his research. Turns me into one. The usage of "edifies," although uncommon, is not incorrect here. You know the word "edifice"? Just another word for a large building that has been "edified" (established). To edify can indeed mean to "educate morally or spiritually." But there are 3 other usages for the word. In fact the primary meaning of the word "edify" is to "to establish; to improve; to strengthen". All 3 of these work perfectly in the context of "edifies one of the arguments." Strengthens or improves one of the arguments... etc. So PLEASE - if you have a gripe about a word sounding pretentious - then just say that. Don't make a fool out of yourself and try to prove it means something which it doesn't. I don't like myself when I become a grammar nazi. | |
I totally second this. I've had a weird feeling for the past few months that Skyrim will be EPIC. | |
Contract Design Work (any media) 101: Keep in close contact with your contractor and get approval on items before you burn a ton of time and money developing said items. This goes double for objectionable items when you are working with a publisher that has the reputation of being prudish. If this was really the cause, it's still Obsidian's fault for not getting the go-ahead on those items they wanted to include. | |
This goes hand in hand with something I've experienced recently as far as people defending developers for no reason. This time, it being EA Sports and their not patching/releasing a roster update for NHL 11 until the game is out for about 2 months. One guy went as far as to say "The developers are doing this out of the good of their hearts" They're fixing a broken game mode and rosters that aren't even up to date on the summer happenings out of the good of their hearts? No. I'm pretty sure they have to do that because I spent $60 on their game. OT: I've been waiting on getting New Vegas for exactly these reasons, waiting for the patch to hit consoles. | |
I've used similar Whedonesque language devices in the past, but I usually use "big mean poopy-face." Does some portly Irish guy on the internet really have to explain why "It worked for me. You're biased and mean! PC gaming thrives on the consumer knowing as little about the product as possible." is a wholly irrelevant and childish response? | |
Hey, now it's our turn again! Let's hate on the haters hating haters! | |
i hate the haters hating hater hater haterers.... hate.... :3 | |
its not just me its working for though. Like i said, not a single person i know ((including the 30 people who go up to the local timbuktu)) has complained about it being a mess. Most of the people who are having problems tend to be more theyer fault then that of the games. So 1/30 people had theyer memory wiped? amazing! That means the game is completely broken and the company messed up! Most of the time when i do hear about bugs from this game it is minor. "Floating dogs", "People missing", "texture bad". I dont think any of those are game breakers. it is an amazing game. And people are freaking out about the "terrible bugs" that ruin it. But i cant say any bugs ive seen, or heard of would ruin the game. So what if your game data was erased? Play the game again. Its not like you have 200 hours on a single save. | |
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I have to agree with that answer 100%. Over the past year I've probably made more posts decrying Borderlands than praising it. Based on that you would think that I hate the game, but the over 150 hours that I've sinked into it sing a different tune. I actually consider Borderlands to be among my favorite games. People need to realize that there's a fine line between someone trolling a game because it's too popular for its own good (like Halo or Final Fantasy, who's fanboys are too easy to rile-up), and someone who genuinely enjoys a game and hates seeing flaws that drag it down (especially ones that shouldn't be hard to fix); making their voice heard for that minuscule chance that a developer will see it and maybe fix things. Even if it's just for the sequel.
I believe very vehemently that as a consumer of games, it's part of my job to question whether or not a developer is giving me the best game they can be. I see these people who blindly defend a game (even its bad parts) and I picture them being happy with the developers laying a big steamer inside the jewel case and selling that as their game. I don't know, maybe they're in some sad denial where they refuse to admit maybe some of their $60 purchase was wasted money so they convince themselves that they bought the Holy Grail as some form of mental self defense... but whatever the case, it always saddens me to see how so many gamers set the bar so low by being so overly defensive even when the flaws are glaring them in the face.
If most gamers had their way, games would just get continually worse and worse and worse and they would still defend them to their dying breath. :/