Meet the New Bat-Guys

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SkullCap:
Bob,

Concerning Bane I see a possible action for Nolan: Being together with Rachel was a major driving force of Bruce's desire to fight crime and restore Gotham to its original glory. Now that Rachel is gone all that he has going for him is the sense of personal duty to be the city's Dark Knight. However, being human like any of us and hunted throughout the city, this is wearing thin for him. He's tired of being Batman. This is where Bane enters the story. Remember the imitators in DK?

There's a high possibility of Bane being one of those imitators that adores Batman. What if he notices that Batman, his idol, is faltering with cleaning up the streets? A fan seeing their hero fall from their pedestal is devastating. He wants to fight crime just like Batman so bad that Bane would think that HE should take Batman's place. In several comics he's known to be somewhat of a genius. Maybe create an exoskeleton that increases one's strength ten-fold, but how can any normal human being last that long in such a physically demanding suit? Perhaps Bane creates a compound (VENOM) that drastically increases his body's endurance, stamina, and strength to handle the suit. Now he's going through the streets at night and taking out the crime everywhere. This garners Bane the love of the public perhaps. The majority of Gotham citizens still think Batman killed Harvey Dent, but here comes the new hope: Bane. The Joker nearly broke Batman in DK, Bane is here to finish it. Maybe not break him physically as in Knightfall, but mentally.

Slowly overexposure to the VENOM compound slowly deteriorates Bane's mental capacity and he starts killing the criminals. Now Bane's view of justice is drastically black/white. No mercy, no matter what the crime. This would allow Batman to reevaluate his purpose for the city. He just began considering his purpose at the end of the Dark Knight it would be great to see him expound on that.

Maybe thats just me.

I can see that working.

I'm a little disapointed that the rumors about David Tennant playing the Riddler turned out to be false, but I'll still give the film a try.

I am surprised they didn't have Talia Al Ghul, the mother of Batman's bastard son and daughter of Ra's from the first film. She could come to Gotham, after home Rachel was killed and offer Batman Ra's remaining resources, thinking that he finally decided to start killing (considering he was scape goated at the end of the last film). Batman turns her down and she sends her two top people to help him fight crime Bane and Catwoman, who kill criminals, Batman stops them both and then must stop Talia. That makes sense as a movie right?

Funy how you associate Spider-Man 3's failure with Venom, because everyone seems to love Venom and the only thing they hate about Venom in the movie was not so much that he was there, but because he sucked in that movie.

Also, I think Bane's neat in theory, because he's a genius bruiser, not just a brainless beefcake. But apparently, the only thing he's done that's noteworthy is crippling Batman? Perhaps comic book writers can do more with him, then?

annoyinglizardvoice:

SkullCap:
Bob,

Concerning Bane I see a possible action for Nolan: Being together with Rachel was a major driving force of Bruce's desire to fight crime and restore Gotham to its original glory. Now that Rachel is gone all that he has going for him is the sense of personal duty to be the city's Dark Knight. However, being human like any of us and hunted throughout the city, this is wearing thin for him. He's tired of being Batman. This is where Bane enters the story. Remember the imitators in DK?

There's a high possibility of Bane being one of those imitators that adores Batman. What if he notices that Batman, his idol, is faltering with cleaning up the streets? A fan seeing their hero fall from their pedestal is devastating. He wants to fight crime just like Batman so bad that Bane would think that HE should take Batman's place. In several comics he's known to be somewhat of a genius. Maybe create an exoskeleton that increases one's strength ten-fold, but how can any normal human being last that long in such a physically demanding suit? Perhaps Bane creates a compound (VENOM) that drastically increases his body's endurance, stamina, and strength to handle the suit. Now he's going through the streets at night and taking out the crime everywhere. This garners Bane the love of the public perhaps. The majority of Gotham citizens still think Batman killed Harvey Dent, but here comes the new hope: Bane. The Joker nearly broke Batman in DK, Bane is here to finish it. Maybe not break him physically as in Knightfall, but mentally.

Slowly overexposure to the VENOM compound slowly deteriorates Bane's mental capacity and he starts killing the criminals. Now Bane's view of justice is drastically black/white. No mercy, no matter what the crime. This would allow Batman to reevaluate his purpose for the city. He just began considering his purpose at the end of the Dark Knight it would be great to see him expound on that.

Maybe thats just me.

I can see that working.

I'm a little disapointed that the rumors about David Tennant playing the Riddler turned out to be false, but I'll still give the film a try.

WHAT? This is news to me. You mean there was a rumor going around that the 10th Doctor might have fought Batman??? That would've been amazing! I too thought the Riddler was the next choice, because the Riddler being the master at nearly impossible riddles would go great with the WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE. Y'know get the audience engaged trying to figure out along the way. Oh well...

MB202:
Funy how you associate Spider-Man 3's failure with Venom, because everyone seems to love Venom and the only thing they hate about Venom in the movie was not so much that he was there, but because he sucked in that movie.

http://comiccritics.com/2010/01/31/insert-brand-new-day-joke-here/

HankMan:
Who is anyone kidding by saying that we will be going to see this film for anything besides Catwoman?

OK, you caught us. All 12 million of us. You happy? We like Anne Hathaway.

GiantRaven:
FANBOY MOMENT INCOMING!

Bane does not suck. For proof; here is a picture of Bane riding a T-Rex.

Bane's badass-ness just went off the charts after that picture. He was cool for "breaking the Bat", and now we have this.

Love to see how Nolan interpret's Bane into a story. Sure, they could do the steroid route, but what if he does something else? We just have to wait.

You know what I fucking love? The fact that everyone here is giving Bob's viewpoint even a scintilla of credit.

HELLO?!? Nolan gave us Memento, Inception, The Prestige, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight... even his lone 'dud' was Insomnia (which I personally enjoyed)...

And MovieBob- a critic, not even slightly experienced with the challenges of directing and producing big-budget films- can't be bothered to give him the benefit of the doubt?!?! Are you really fucking serious???

Hey Bob? Unlike every other director in Hollywood, Nolan has yet to even kind of flub a movie, so how's about you take off your Batman pajamas and concede the fact that he might actual have a specific plan in mind, and isn't just bumbling around in the mythology you clearly so ardently adore? I'm sorry you're scared, but I doubt Nolan is targeting only Batman nerds with this film.

Related pro-tip: maybe Nolan doesn't give a flying fuck about paying the fanbois any attention, and is more interested in crafting a story that everyone- not just Batman comic collectors- will enjoy.

Because... well, you know... that approach really seemed to work for the first two Batman movies he did.

But then again, maybe you're right. Maybe all that matters is his adherence to the 'cannon', and he shouldn't try to expand the audience; only the Batman 'faithful' are important... let me tell you, that's a super-effective marketing decision right there. <rolls eyes>

I had a feline that Catwoman would be in the next batman movie. Why else would they kill off rachel? You can chant the name of nolan, but he is still a hollywood director

I have more worry about Catwoman than Bane. Joker while Batman's major bad guy also lacks a certian seriousness a lot of the time. That deeply scary and twisted character in he Dark Knigt is also known for rigging bombs up rubber chickens. Nolan took the best and left out the electrocuting joy buzzer. Bane, while problematic, has potential: a mob boss that realizes that he has to come to Batman's level to do business. To be as much enforcer as businessman. I was actually expecting more of a focus on the mob and its leader in the 3rd movie, and while I would have bet on Black Mask or Penguin, I see Bane working.

Catwoman (Selina) I just can't see any new or orignal angle to use.

I just imagined Bane killing Batman like Kratos killed Poseidon. That would be an awesome ending(camera work and all)

Ok, why the hate on for Bane?
He's one of my fave batman villians, for how much time we are given within his head, making him a more fleshed out and interesting character.

After I watched The Dark Knight, I was of the opinion that both Catwoman and Black Mask would be appearing in the inevitable third film. I was half right. I think that Catwoman is a perfect fit for the third film. The love of his life is dead and he is being hunted down by the good citizens of Gotham; enter a sexy woman with questionable morals and experience living on the wrong side of the law. She can be both a lover and a mentor. The previous two Batman films have focused pretty heavily upon the criminal underworld of Gotham City and its new leader emerges, the anti-Batman Bane. It all sounds pretty workable to me. Nolan will just ignore or re-work the more unrealistic components of Bane like the venom compound. I think this might be the first superhero series to produce a great third film. Personally, I can't wait.

I've been figuring Catwoman since in the Dark Knight when Bruce Wayne was talking to Mr. Fox and asked if the armor was also "cat proof" after it being improved post-dog attack.

I hope Cillian Murphy has another cameo. I really enjoyed his Scarecrow.

GothmogII:

K_Dub:

GiantRaven:

Bane is 'comicy' but The Penguin and Poison Ivy aren't? Hell, how is Bane more 'comicy' than the Joker, R'as al Ghul and the Scarecrow?

Sorry, I'll elaborate. I've had several discussions with a couple of my friends, and we just feel that Penguin and Ivy would be better suited because they could make an easier transition into the Nolan-verse.

Take Ivy for example. In the comics, a genetically modified hottie with power to control plants who wants to destroy Gotham because they mistreat the ecosystem (or something along those lines, never read the comics). In the Nolan-verse, she's a hottie who is knowledgeable in the field of plant life and poisons, and uses this knowledge to poison and kill powerful government workers within Gotham because they mistreat etc.

Bane on the other hand, in the Nolan-verse, he could be a mob boss I guess? Which could be interesting for sure, but I just feel that Ivy or Penguin, or hell even Talia al Ghul are far more interesting characters. Bane just seems one-deminsional.

Why do people keep saying mob boss? I was thinking something along the lines of a Villainous Count of Monte Cristo. It could work pretty well I think. Wayne/Batman is the rich socialite who has everything. Bane, while still having a similar kind of drive to succeed in his goals has to do things the hard way, and if there is going to be venom involved, maybe he'll be impatient and rather than devoting years to training he'll supplement himself with an enhancement.

Fair enough man. I actually like the idea of Bane being a type of competitor to Wayne Industries. Throw in some illegal drug smuggeling and usage and you got yourself a pretty decent villain. Though, I suppose that people keep suggesting Bane be a mob boss only cause it wouldn't require a HUGE amount of mental talent to operate a gang, seeing as Bane isn't necessarily associated with a high IQ. I guess it bascially breaks down into just how smart Nolan decides to make Bane. Corporate head-honcho, mob boss extraordinaire, or maybe somewhere in between?

Bane is one of the more realistic batman villains actually, he's a dude on some really hardcore drugs, nothing that couldn't be done, have you seen some of those 'roid jacking walking mountains around?

Personally I'd of liked to have seen a take on the Riddler, it could have been done really well, serial killers will often taunt the police, however it would be too much like the Joker in the Dark Knight.

Catwoman... err... to be honest I'm very sceptical about that character, sure the leather suit on hot woman is cool, but I've never liked the character, not in the comics, not in the TV show, not in the first run of movies in the 90s, and the catwoman movie... ugg... I'm too busy repressing that sack of crap. So I'll reserve judgement for now.

SilverUchiha:

Total agreement there. Why Riddler was overlooked and dismissed so early is baffling. He would have been better than either one of these guys.

The problem with The Riddler would be that he's a little too much like The Joker. They'd have similar methods and motivations to beat down on Batman. If they included him everyone would complain that he just rehashed the second movie. A lot would just see him as a weaker Joker character... It wouldn't work.

That's why he's probably shy'd away from him. To be honest, I'm happy with the Bane choice, the character has suffered a great deal in his portrayal and it would be nice for that to be set right with the new movie. Though I imagine they'll be more than just Bane and Catwoman here.

Did Chris Nolan really stop Bruce Wayne from being in Smallville? (If true) thats upsetting. If the bat embargo is only enforced by this guy I'm hoping he leaves Batman never to return after the next movie.

I agree mostly with what you say about Catwoman, but she is a vigilante in the comics now. But I do disagree about Bane. His interpretation in Batman Forever is, at best, an abomination, but Nolan said a fresh interpretation. I can see Bane being a realistic character kicking 5 kinds of shit out of a batman that kinda needs a beatdown. I'm not saying he needs venom being pumped into his brain via plastic tubes, but a genius intellect, steroids and an ability to fight could work. In the end we will hate it for not topping the Dark Knight, but so I will be satisfied I will compare it to the 90's and be happy once more

Gotta admit, I was surprised to hear about Bane being the big bad guy of the third film, after Riddler was shot down (and no Mr Freeze or Poison Ivy in supa serious Nolan-verse) I was thinking it'd be Hugo Strange or maybe Penguin (though a very different on from the Danny DeVito Penguin of Batman Returns), but Bane? Gotta wait and see I guess.

*ahem*

There were already rumors of Bane appearing, since there were news tickers on the bottom of in-film episodes of Gotham Tonight claiming that steroid and bodily enhancement programs were being field tested by volunteer police officers.

I really don't see what the big deal with Bane is, Bob. You already pointed out, they've made serious changes to other characters before. The whole "self-educated genius growing up in prison" angle? how is that not dark, serious, gritty and believable? this guy has already made the Caped Crusader seem so realistic you could reach out and touch him, and yet you think that Bane is beyond this sort of treatment? WTF?

Billionaire playboy is secretly roving the streets at night in a high-tech suit of prototype combat armour that just happened to fall out of the arse of his head of R&D, occasionally driving a tank that jumps across rooftops, flying around using a cape made of electricaly-activated technobabble-powered fibres, and beating the everloving shit out of armed thugs (as well as makeup plastered nutters and sack-wearing doctors spraying fear gas all about the place), using incredible fighting/stealth skills he developed during a brief stay with a group of city-hating ninjas living in the mountains?

Uh, yeah. A chemically altered super strong genius who grew up in prison seems very, very easy to pull off at this point. It's actually more believable than Bruce Wayne by a longshot.

Your whole intro had me a little confused.

It's not like all of those things came as a shock, Nolan's made it perfectly clear how he wanted to do Batman (i.e. fairly realistically).

"but don't be surprised if it's found to be too "hard" for a PG-13 summer movie."

A prostitute is too much for a PG-13 or a 12, yet stitching a bomb inside a man, burning half of a guy's face off, beating the shit out of someone in an interrogation, threatening to shoot a child, having two guys fight each other to the death with pool cues (admittedly off screen), and cutting someone's mouth open with a knife are all just dandy?

Unless they hate sex that much in America, I don't really see that being too much of an issue. And you can always imply rather than outright state it.

"His recurring theme tends to be no-nonsense masculine professionalism undone by chaotic feminine influence (see: Inception)."

Only the feminine influence is inside Cobb's head and something he's forcibly tried to recreate, so I don't think that holds true - especially since Ariadne is the one who helps him through it.

solidstatemind:
You know what I fucking love? The fact that everyone here is giving Bob's viewpoint even a scintilla of credit.

HELLO?!? Nolan gave us Memento, Inception, The Prestige, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight... even his lone 'dud' was Insomnia (which I personally enjoyed)...

And MovieBob- a critic, not even slightly experienced with the challenges of directing and producing big-budget films- can't be bothered to give him the benefit of the doubt?!?! Are you really fucking serious???

Hey Bob? Unlike every other director in Hollywood, Nolan has yet to even kind of flub a movie, so how's about you take off your Batman pajamas and concede the fact that he might actual have a specific plan in mind, and isn't just bumbling around in the mythology you clearly so ardently adore? I'm sorry you're scared, but I doubt Nolan is targeting only Batman nerds with this film.

Related pro-tip: maybe Nolan doesn't give a flying fuck about paying the fanbois any attention, and is more interested in crafting a story that everyone- not just Batman comic collectors- will enjoy.

Because... well, you know... that approach really seemed to work for the first two Batman movies he did.

But then again, maybe you're right. Maybe all that matters is his adherence to the 'cannon', and he shouldn't try to expand the audience; only the Batman 'faithful' are important... let me tell you, that's a super-effective marketing decision right there. <rolls eyes>

You do realise that not everyone thinks Nolan is some sort of directorial genius, right?

Begins was boring. TDK was good but overrated. Nolan can't direct a fight scene for shit and his track record with female characters gives plenty cause for concern.

Bane is not as bad as Bob makes him out to be. He's actually a decent character in the secret six series, and when he broke batmans back, he didn't just "get lucky". Sadly most people remember the mumbling brute from the movie, which was quite insulting to the character.

MovieBob:
Catwoman and who? MovieBob has the answers.

Hey, Bob!

True, at first the choices seem very strange. But Nolan seems to be interested in showing the various sides of evil: Bane is the muscle guy charging through walls while Catwoman is a clever thief. It's the Joker's personality divided and both sides driven to an extreme.

Also, noone in Nolan's Batman movies ever referred to the Joker ot Two-Face by their comic book names so simply referring to Catwoman as Selina should be fine.

Xerosch:

Also, noone in Nolan's Batman movies ever referred to the Joker ot Two-Face by their comic book names so simply referring to Catwoman as Selina should be fine.

I'm pretty sure Joker was only called "Joker" in The Dark Knight. Also, there was passing reference to the Two-Face name, albeit made by Dent himself, though he said he got called that alot down at the station.

I wouldn't be surprised at all for the Nolan-ized Catwoman to simply be "Selina Kyle: Lady Criminal Who Maybe Owns Some Cats."

AAUGH YAAA YEH AGHHH HEHEHEHYAAARRR ARRLL!
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MovieBob:
Anne Hathaway. Rubber catsuit. Yeah, that can work. That can work just fine.

Yeah, because that logic worked before, hasn't it?
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(Yes; I hate that costume from Batman Returns.)

Then again, I'd be a hypocrite if the film version used the magnificent Adam Hughes's design for the costume:
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Edit: Am I the only one who finds Anne Hathaway to be too girly for the role? I mean, I'll just think she's a tween dressing up for Halloween.

Edit, Part 2: Then again, Heath Ledger surprised a lot of people, including myself, because everything involving Christopher Nolan is automatically golden.

Pfeiffer was sexy as hell

Bane is not my personal choice, but its certainly one I can get behind with ease. There are some factors people are missing with Bane and that is of connections. Its been announced that two people have been cast for roles in this film. That is honestly not to indicate their level of involvement. Bane has two major connections for other people who could easily be tied in. Hugo strange (as the one who first gave Bane Venom) and Azrael. Theres nothing in stone that these two chars are going to be the whole of the film.

Given the title what seems to be most likely to occur is Bane breaks batman fairly early on by Bane. In Batmans absence Gotham goes wild, Leading Batman to be forced to either just let it all go to hell or to pass the mantle to Azrael. Azrael starts becoming unstable and Bruce realizes he made a mistake and somehow overcomes his injury and has to take down his doppleganger in the process. Forcing a conflict of two batmans trying to take down the same evil presence most likely Bane again, but in highly conflicted ways with Az wanting to kill Bane and Bruce determined to stop him from doing so. Bruce wins resulting in the fight between Bruce and Az to determine who keeps the cowl. Ending on the positive note that Batman has now overcame many levels of adversity and would be able to face just about anything as he is stronger for his exp and somewhat forgiven for his "criminalization" in TDK. Basically denoting "the rest as they say, is history" to Nolans time with the story.

Then they give the reigns over to some other director to re-re-reboot the film franchise, who in turn follows up with the pre-batman begins Idea from warner brothers that was shelved and creates the Batman Beyond films!!!. (ok that last part is not going to happen)

Honestly though, What I dont get is as much clamor there is for "why wasnt it the riddler" Sure the riddler is up there in batmans history and notoriety but honestly the riddler always has and basically always will suck as a char. Hes annoying and gimmicky as hell, as much so if not more than catwoman. The only way I think the riddler should have been involved was via Hush, which that I would approve of greatly.

Regardless of how it plays out, I do in fact trust Nolan in this. I think he has made a good decision in Bane and a hot decision in Selena Kyle. (though for some reason I cant help but to think she would have been better suited for Poison Ivy.)

Ehh I'm not that excited for either Selina Kyle or Bane to be honest. I was really hoping for The Riddler or The Penguin. I never liked Catwoman as a character and I have no idea how Bane is going to fit into this new gritty batman methos. We'll see I suppose.

Xerosch:

Also, noone in Nolan's Batman movies ever referred to the Joker ot Two-Face by their comic book names so simply referring to Catwoman as Selina should be fine.

What do you mean? They called Ledger The Joker throughout the entire movie and Gordan mentioned that the cops at his precinct referred to him as "Harvey Two Face" even before the accident.

Movie Bob:
Bane sucks.

OBJECTION!!!

Bane does not suck. Bane has had a wonderful career in the bat-comics and has since kicked the venom habit. His appearances in the animated series were always awesome. In short Bane only sucks because he is not the Joker.

MB202:
Funy how you associate Spider-Man 3's failure with Venom, because everyone seems to love Venom and the only thing they hate about Venom in the movie was not so much that he was there, but because he sucked in that movie.

Also, I think Bane's neat in theory, because he's a genius bruiser, not just a brainless beefcake. But apparently, the only thing he's done that's noteworthy is crippling Batman? Perhaps comic book writers can do more with him, then?

Well, he did nuke a building in downtown Gotham City, but that got retcon'ed.

Bane is a genius. I think you forgot that to break Batman's back, he first figured out his secret identity just from publicly known evidence. Basically, as a master combatant and detective, he is an evil Batman. If they take that direction, making him more of a martial arts master, perhaps also an ordinary real-world steroid abuser, he will be an excellent foil for Batman. He is also a crimeboss himself, so taking over the reigns after the mass slaughter of crimebosses in DK is likely. I think it'll work. What by Nolan hasn't?

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