Jimquisition: Videogames Are Not Movies, Get Over It

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GrizzlerBorno:
Wow.......And people around here call MovieBob a pretentious, opinionated dickhead?

What, do people not call Yahtzee the exact same thing either?

Not that I disagree with the point being made but... god damnit Jim Sterling. I left Destructoid and never looked back after Anthony Burch left because there wasn't anything for me left there and I absolutely hate Sterling's attitude (whether I agree with him or not). I don't really see him fitting the "escapist" style but whatever. I guess I will just ignore it.

Damn.

Cavouku:
Alright, first off, I wanna' say, I like this guy's character, or at least, it's fun to watch.

But he doesn't belong in front of a screen like that, holding his microphone, preaching to the choir. He needs to be this kind of reckless, crazy person that's throwing eggs at big development buildings, and demanding an interview with their CEOs while the police take him away.

He needs to go and poll the populous, hold a press rally, and have a little towel to wipe his brow, like Louis Armstrong, just because that works with him.

I want to see this guy outside, getting in people's faces. Because this is the right man to do it.

Exactly, i can fully imagine this person asking random people on the street what they think of the games industry and what it can achive, hilarious and intrigueing

Kinda preaching to the choir weren't ya now, fella?

Did the Escapist just fish up some random video from Youtube or what? It's a little too late for April Fools, people!

webby:

vivster:
i smell a new entry to extra consideration

I truly hope not. Nothing was said here that about 95% of the escapist population couldn't have said given a microphone and some aviators. In fact, I have aviators so just give me a microphone and a paycheck and I will crack one of these out as regularly as you like. Hell, 2 a day seems plausible.

just because his first rant was rather generic doesn't mean he hasn't some good ideas about other stuff
i'm looking forward to see more of him

Jim Sterling:

Let gaming's biggest douchebag

Aww come on, you gave Moviebob ANOTHER show?

I'm glad they hired Sterling to be a counter point to Portnow and Extra Credits. Now I don't have to be the one making the counter arguments.

Would have been nice if I'd gotten paid for my efforts, though...

Good points, quite entertaining show. Keep it up!

BreakfastMan:

GrizzlerBorno:
Wow.......And people around here call MovieBob a pretentious, opinionated dickhead?

What, do people not call Yahtzee the exact same thing either?

They call him "opinianated", yes (and rightly so). But he's neither pretentious nor a dickhead.....well not to viewers who aren't Developers, Publishers or Fanboys anyway....

He should do something to make the videos more visually appealing. An interesting backdrop would be nice.
Other than that, I think he could do well on this site.

Frozen Donkey Wheel2:

Radoh:
Alright, there was way too much genitalia in this.

I'm glad someone else thought that. I thought it might have been my American Squeamishness acting up.

I really hope you aren't American, too.

I don't think that it matters if I'm an American or not, I just want to hear intelligent conversation, with as little nudity as possible, is that too much to ask for?

Kinda 'eh', there were a couple of good points, but the overall content was a bit redundant.

We're already at 'that level', whatever it is. I've played enough weird Indie games to learn that for myself.

And yes, other media has always been following others. You just have to watch an old film to realise that yes, it was structured pretty much like a book, as are many today.

Is it considered gauche to respond to your own feedback here? I don't know. Ah well. Too late now.

Thank you all for the feedback thus far, even the negative stuff. It's obviously important to hear why you suck from people who will properly explain it to you. Having isolated the key criticisms, I will address them:

1) Obviousness of subject: Not every episode is going to be something hotly contested. Sometimes it's just stuff that pissed me off and hopefully people can feel cathartic in hearing it voiced by someone else. That said, future episodes will have more debatable and touchy topics to discuss, so it won't just be a fat man stating the obvious.

2) The visual presentation: One of the reasons I went with having me on the camera is the very fact that we have shows like Extra Credits and Zero Punctuation. I don't want to look like those. Future episodes will strive for more cut-away content and I will be getting better lighting up in this business as soon as I can. I'll be working hard to make it both different and interesting.

3) That line flub: Dunno how I let that slide. No, that was shit on my part.

I agree with you Jim.
Movies are not "superior" to games or vice-versa because you cant compare them. They are totally different , one is a 2 hours video and the other one is a 10 hours game in which you can play with your friends.
Seriously , why compare them?

Interesting video, but do we really need yet another guy going off on a tangent and yelling from their pedestal? Because we've already got three of those.

While this is probably the guy's style, I don't really see how it helps anyone. It's ramble-y, doesn't really have a main point (at the end when he said "Stop giving a fuck what Ebert says", I couldn't help but think "We're not talking about 'games as art' though"), and it is literally just a guy standing on his pedestal. We've got plenty of that on YouTube (and enough here).

Overall, while I agree with some points that the video made (games should try to elevate themselves above other mediums), I don't really see the point behind it all. All he has said in this video was "stop trying to be movies", he doesn't go into depth about how they are trying to be movies, why they are trying to emulate movies, and what can be done to stop them from copying movies. You don't have to address all of those questions at once, but as it all the guy said was "Stop being movies, it's detrimental to everything!" and it never goes beyond that.

Calling yourself "Gaming's biggest douchebag" doesn't go well for your image. All it shows is that you want to make noise, and you want to make a lot of noise. It makes it look like you're just another pretentious douchebag who thinks he is right about everything instead of willing to discuss and develop concepts and ideas further.

And it is just a guy on his pedestal. He's just as pretentious as David Cage is, as far as I'm concerned.

Still, it's an interesting video. Could turn up something worthwhile, but I'm a little skeptical of it. I'll give it a few more episodes before deciding. At least it'll give me something to do on Mondays.

EDIT: Added some stuff, god I love the edit button.

(Extra Credits + Game Overthinker) /4 = this show

Oh crap... The reason I don't go to Destructoid is now on The Escapist... I really don't like this.
He is an opinionated dick but without the wit of Yahtzee nor the knowledge of MovieBob he just comes across as an angry spoiled brat. Yes, games are not movies, I thought The Escapist had a higher level of content than this.
Extra Credits, Yahtzee and MovieBob is miles ahead of this guy. Anthony Burch also, shame he left dtoid.
Anyway, thats one show I won't be following. Hope it crashes or gets (a whooooole lot) better.

Radoh:

Frozen Donkey Wheel2:

Radoh:
Alright, there was way too much genitalia in this.

I'm glad someone else thought that. I thought it might have been my American Squeamishness acting up.

I really hope you aren't American, too.

I don't think that it matters if I'm an American or not, I just want to hear intelligent conversation, with as little nudity as possible, is that too much to ask for?

Um, you know I was agreeing with you, right?

Where's the "don't like" button? The idea was alright, but the content was meh ... and the delivery was terrible. Definitely not one to stand up next to the likes of Yatzee, the Extra Punctuation team, MovieBob, Lisa ... hell even the Daily Drop.

Jim, if you're going to force your opinion on the world, stick to print. Oh and swearing is a poor substitute for wit and a well thought out argument.

Brainst0rm:
So...it's entertaining because he says "fuck" a lot?

'Cause, otherwise, I feel like I've missed the joke.

What joke?

OT: He's right. He also seems to be on cocaine, but he's right.

Especially about David Cage; that man is such an egotistical twat.

It might work better if he did videos in the style of Movie Bob (I'm aware of the irony given the subject), since:

a) Bob hasn't got a clue what he's talking about when he's let on to games ("no one wants to use a PC for gaming when they can buy 20 devices for 3000+, all with lesser functionality! That's the Big Picture!")

b) It feels rushed like this, and like I said, he seems to be on cocaine, which is a little unnerving to watch

Damn it. It's hard enough avoiding Jim's articles on Destructoid.

I'm not saying that (some of) his points are not valid or true, but the manner in which they are presented is like a child would on Xbox LIVE, complete with the attitude.

Frozen Donkey Wheel2:

Radoh:

Frozen Donkey Wheel2:

I'm glad someone else thought that. I thought it might have been my American Squeamishness acting up.

I really hope you aren't American, too.

I don't think that it matters if I'm an American or not, I just want to hear intelligent conversation, with as little nudity as possible, is that too much to ask for?

Um, you know I was agreeing with you, right?

Yeah I know you were, I'm just qualifying my stance on it is all. It doesn't seem necessary or even really warranted to have that kind of stuff in the video.

I'm not impressed.

yeah no. Just because games aren't movies (duh, chairs aren't bicicles either, why don't you make a video about that?) doesn't mean there aren't any parallels between them.

Why all the ranting about heavy rain? It was an experiment trying to combine two different media, what's so bad about that?

I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this site with less charisma.
The fact he seems to have some sort of fetish for Paint'd penises makes matters worse.

The fact he spoke for five minutes when the title more or less summed up everything everyone already knew in under a second was quite amazing though.

Here's a little snippet where I definitely disagree though, game stories are inferior to film stories.
As an example I've only really played one game that dealt with the emotion of war in a good manner, and it did it using mostly cutscenes, which most people can agree is the worst way of telling the story.

FFIX! =D

But yeah, I was worried this guy would just be a jerkalurk with how the title described him. I was proven wrong! And I wish he had went on about Heavy Rain a bit more. God forbid that game ever became a movie exactly the same way the game made the plot.

"Heavy Holes" is what it'd be called.

Did anyone else feel like the guy didn't seem comfortable in front of the camera? It was the way he was standing, holding that microphone - made him look uneasy.

He also repeated himself a lot and seemed to choose a fairly easy subject for his first video here. Could have been better.

I'll watch the next episode anyway but I hope it gets a lot better and more focused.

Well i found that kinda dull he didnt really seem to go anywhere with it.Just him going on about the same part of the arguement way too many times and the delivery at some points was hard to watch.

This guy has potential but I was not impressed with this episode. First of all this guy needs to edit/pace himself. Often he is stuttering and saying um um um, not good when trying to present. Also what the heck with the random Microsoft paint pictures? Seems unnecessary and just thrown in. Finally, this guy isn't interesting to watch. He just stands there waving his hand. He is wearing sunglasses so you can't see him make eye contact. It is very boring to watch. I felt the topic and such was good it was just really boring to watch and I can see it getting old very quickly. This show needs a lot of polish. In my opinion ;)

Yay Jim's here! Now I don't need to go to destructoid as much.

I've enjoyed your work since I found your Deadly Premonition review, hope to see more here. I've been a fan of Jimquisition for a while too so the only feedback I can give is that I enjoy it.

Just comes across like he's trying too hard.

He's just another loudmouth with a soapbox. I realise this is an act (I hope) but his delivery is pretty poor.

Overall, I'm underwhelmed.

He seems to have just crammed the worst parts of Yahtzee and Bob into one entity and hoped adding some sort of faux rockstar temperament would make it a hit.

Yahtzee swears a lot, sure. But his swearing compliments his creativity, his original delivery and generally abstract nature.

Bob, despite his flaws, is actually pretty goddamn intelligent. He has had more than a few very poignant things to say and so I can forgive his assish behaviour and tenancy to commit to logical fallacies. (that I'm sure he is aware of and tends to use more as hyperbole that actual reasoning) And all that damn nostalgia.....

I realise it's too early to write this guy off entirely.

But my first impressions Escapist...... did you lose a bet?

Woodsey:

[...] David Cage; that man is such an egotistical twat.

At this year's GDC, Cage held a presentation called "Creating an Emotional Rollercoaster in Heavy Rain". He proceeded to dismiss the entire history of the medium by reducing virtually every game preceeding Heavy Rain to a collection of ten verbs.
Jump, run, shoot, roll and six others he didn't seem interested in specifying.

Yes, Cage is delusional dick.

katsumoto03:
Because I needed another reason to hate Mondays...

You Sir, were 30 times better than this video :D

Nice talk. I was expecting some quip about how there's never been a good movie based off a video game that wasn't already safer than a safe inside a safe and there's been maybe two good video games based on movies. Eh, oh well.

Oh, and "fuck." If you're saying the same word enough times that I lost count in a six minute piece you're saying it too much.

I liked it. Made me laugh a couple of times and had good, catchy arguments. Will watch more.

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