The Big Picture: Junk Drawer: Reloaded

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You know what most feminists I've seen don't care about gender issues if they only effect men and/or they have some underlying misandry.

Not all of them are like that etc. I know but it deserves some mention. At least as the reason why it's an insult nowadays.

Edit: Never mind, I guess it shouldn't be an insult.

MovieBob:

wraith428:
Feminism is not an insult but Masculism is... explain that one to me Bob.

150,000 years of human history/pre-history (give or take) of men having 100% absolute power over the lives (and, to be blunt, bodies) of women versus only about 40-50 (give or take) years of SOME women (primarily those fortunate enough to be born in so-called "first world" countries) having legally-protected equal status to men which is none the less STILL under constant threat re: anti-choice movements, male-reassertiveness ideologies, etc.

Do you think it's OK to condemn all men for the sins of some of them?

MovieBob:
while the worst excesses of the "masculist" culture that preceded it included forced-subservience, casual spousal-abuse, female non-personhood and rape as a legally-unprovable "thing that happened" as everyday accepted ways of life.

Yes all of that is masculinity's fault despite the fact that you can find rapists, spousal abusers etc. amongst women. It makes sense in a stupid nonsensical sort of way.

Edit: Or do you just conveniently define masculinity as those bad traits?

You're right, feminist is not an insult.

Ultra-feminist on the other hand...

Can I still hate twilight for having the worst characters in any movie to date? I know I'm not the targeted audience, but I still can't believe they got away with that bad of a script..or worse yet that there's people out there who actually enjoyed it =|

double post.

Father Time:

MovieBob:

wraith428:
Feminism is not an insult but Masculism is... explain that one to me Bob.

150,000 years of human history/pre-history (give or take) of men having 100% absolute power over the lives (and, to be blunt, bodies) of women versus only about 40-50 (give or take) years of SOME women (primarily those fortunate enough to be born in so-called "first world" countries) having legally-protected equal status to men which is none the less STILL under constant threat re: anti-choice movements, male-reassertiveness ideologies, etc. The worst excess of our supposedly "feminist" modern culture is that men are occasionally denied certain levels of unfair privilige prior generations may have enjoyed, while the worst excesses of the "masculist" culture that preceded it included forced-subservience, casual spousal-abuse, female non-personhood and rape as a legally-unprovable "thing that happened" as everyday accepted ways of life.

That's why.

And do you think this bigotry against men is OK? Do you think it's OK to condemn all men for the sins of some of them?

It's not ok but who does the cops and judges believe. I seen a woman beat the crap out of her man. Yet when he snapped and slapped her he was the one that gone to jail eventhough he was bleeding. It's no where near fair yet guys really can't fight it without looking like huge jerks.

That Friendship is Magic part got me by surprise and you're probably right about other shows following up with their own sense of humor along with a different animation style applied to it. But anyhow, this episode was great and I agree with mostly everything you said.

However... about the Twilight issue- you can tell us to be quiet about how the guys look with their shirts off, but in all honesty what upsets me is that the contract is forcing them to not have shirts on. Why? Because they want to make the movie itself more of an attraction then actual romance novel itself.
That's what bothers me, that this generation is all crazy over a movie that is not based on what's inside but rather looks of sexually appealing muscle or shirtless guys is all that matters (and being a vampire/werewolf.. whatever Bella is into but her characteristics are dull so I don't care.)

TheDooD:

Father Time:

MovieBob:

150,000 years of human history/pre-history (give or take) of men having 100% absolute power over the lives (and, to be blunt, bodies) of women versus only about 40-50 (give or take) years of SOME women (primarily those fortunate enough to be born in so-called "first world" countries) having legally-protected equal status to men which is none the less STILL under constant threat re: anti-choice movements, male-reassertiveness ideologies, etc. The worst excess of our supposedly "feminist" modern culture is that men are occasionally denied certain levels of unfair privilige prior generations may have enjoyed, while the worst excesses of the "masculist" culture that preceded it included forced-subservience, casual spousal-abuse, female non-personhood and rape as a legally-unprovable "thing that happened" as everyday accepted ways of life.

That's why.

And do you think this bigotry against men is OK? Do you think it's OK to condemn all men for the sins of some of them?

It's not ok but who does the cops and judges believe. I seen a woman beat the crap out of her man. Yet when he snapped and slapped her he was the one that gone to jail eventhough he was bleeding. It's no where near fair yet guys really can't fight it without looking like huge jerks.

The man doesn't even have to do anything wrong. In any divorce proceeding, the woman is always highly favored in every aspect. Even if the mother is neglectful and the father a saint the children will go to the mother.

It's one thing to enshrine into law the equality of women and do everything possible to prevent abuse anyone, but some times things seem to be heading into "Some animals are more equal than others" territory.

Was it just me... Or did that feel short?

OT: I have to say that using "Say good bye to your child's innocence" as a slogan is really fu*ked up.

It's like using an act of douchebaggery as a way of selling the next football game... Oh wait, they did that!

***ALSO***

Beautiful people (men & women) will ALWAYS be the focus of sexual desire.

It is WRONG for any group to bash another simply for doing so!

***AND***

I have nothing wrong with repackaging something that I liked as a child for the purpose of introducing it to today's youth... It's when they do it WRONG!

-Inspector Gadget and the gadgetinis (and the follow up series "Gadget BOY").
-G.I.JOE EXTREAM!
-Shaggy & Scooby-Doo Get a Clue!
-transformers animated (weren't they already animated?)
-Ultimate Spider-man
-THE Batman
-Yo Yogi (just to put SALT in the wound)

I could go on BUT I think I made my point.

i don't care that women are half naked in game. k, i find it a bit childish but don't really care. what annoys me is that every female character has the body of a model. that really annoys me and find it really lazy. if developers design a male chararter he is almost always unique: big, stron, weak, short, ugly, good looking, slim, fat and muc more. when they go for a female character: boobs or she is a child. it is so fucking lazy.

Varya:
Also, yes, we should not complain about Edward or Jacob in Twilight. I even think we should leave the sparkly vampire thing a rest. There is so much more wrong with the mere concept that is the Twilight series, that going after the superficial is like complaining about how silly Hitlers moustache is

Yes, but have you SEEN it? It's like the guy glued a live caterpillar to his nostrils.

Generic Gamer:

Sylocat:
I don't care about the attractiveness of the male leads, or how they run around in next to nothing. I'm bisexual, so of course I like that, but I think anyone seriously that worked up is just fucking insecure.

Of course, what does trouble me about Twilight is its portrayal of the Edward/Bella RELATIONSHIP as anything but creepy...

Thing is that it's fictional entertainment based on what a lot of women find fun in a fantasy. It's not designed to be used as a basis for a real relationship, take it from a guy who has read more than a few female erotic novels, they are almost never representative of a healthy relationship or any relationship a woman would want. Women on the whole are not so stupid as to confuse an idle daydream with a workable plan.

If people are that easily influenced by fiction then you have to wonder about games and violence, after all the main moral point of most games is that murder is the best solution to a problem.

I should have been more specific. I meant the part of their relationship revolving around the reproductive metaphors, the demon-baby and the... well, you get the idea.

As for Soul Calibur I've condemned the game for it's unrealistic women and sexual pandering. Therefore I will continue to condemn Twilight for being preteen porn as others have called it.

Consistency FTW.

Anyway I should point out that I love Soul Calibur, it's one of my favorite fighting franchises (not for the women but for the gameplay).

When I originally saw the first junk drawer, I thought he was literally going to talk about his drawer that has random crap in it.

SlugLady28:
You're right, feminist is not an insult.

Ultra-feminist on the other hand...

I think you mean Feminazi

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drisky:

ccdohl:
But aren't the males in Soul Calibur hypersexualized too? Every one of them has a six pack, sculpted pecs, and huge arms. Does that not count, just because men are expected to play SC more than women are?

Thats something I thought too, just look at Maxi's belly shirt. I think the case with Soul Caliber though is Ivy in particular, she really doesn't even match a human shape, never mind one that could move so easily, add how her outfits get increasing skimpy. I've never liked Ivy for the reason that she doesn't look like a human. But yes, it gets less attention because there are less girls playing it, its less a part of what shapes a collective female opinion.

Admittedly (as I pointed out earlier), that is true as Sieg, Maxi, Kilik, Raphael, Mitsu, and the upcoming Patroklos and Z.W.E.I. are most certainly meant to bring in female players due to their designs, but the women BY FAR are a lot more fetishized. Roughly half the male cast is also a bunch of weirdos like Voldo, Astaroth, Cervantes, and Yoshimitsu who are probably too creepy to the average female. I can't name ONE female in the cast who isn't a stunningly attractive (or obnoxiously cute like Amy or Talim), perfectly sculpted specimen.

blackdwarf:
i don't care that women are half naked in game. k, i find it a bit childish but don't really care. what annoys me is that every female character has the body of a model. that really annoys me and find it really lazy. if developers design a male chararter he is almost always unique: big, stron, weak, short, ugly, good looking, slim, fat and muc more. when they go for a female character: boobs or she is a child. it is so fucking lazy.

I know. I wouldn't mind a few, but it's incredibly lazy to have all of them.

How about an old woman? Or a woman who has most of her body covered up.

I think the best woman they have for not fitting those traits is

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As for his last point, I've known that from the second I heard about MLP a re-boot. I believe my actualwords were, "What's next Strawberry Shortcake?" But now that it's insanely popular with like, everybody, I'm afraid that might actually happen.

I am stupefied at how this can be the truth and mean spirited at the same time.

Aiddon:

drisky:

ccdohl:
But aren't the males in Soul Calibur hypersexualized too? Every one of them has a six pack, sculpted pecs, and huge arms. Does that not count, just because men are expected to play SC more than women are?

Thats something I thought too, just look at Maxi's belly shirt. I think the case with Soul Caliber though is Ivy in particular, she really doesn't even match a human shape, never mind one that could move so easily, add how her outfits get increasing skimpy. I've never liked Ivy for the reason that she doesn't look like a human. But yes, it gets less attention because there are less girls playing it, its less a part of what shapes a collective female opinion.

Admittedly (as I pointed out earlier), that is true as Sieg, Maxi, Kilik, Raphael, Mitsu, and the upcoming Patroklos and Z.W.E.I. are most certainly meant to bring in female players due to their designs, but the women BY FAR are a lot more fetishized. Roughly half the male cast is also a bunch of weirdos like Voldo, Astaroth, Cervantes, and Yoshimitsu who are probably too creepy to the average female.

I like the weirdos. It makes Soul Calibur unique. I wanna see some weirdo females as well, that aren't also childish and/or meant to be sexy. The best we have is Tira who is a weirdo for sure but is meant to be sexy and one of her personalities is very child-like.

Voldo, Yoshimitsu and especially Cervantes are people I like (to be fair a lot of my fondness for Cervantes comes from my love of pirates).

MovieBob, if you read this. Can you please have your next Junk Drawer video be "Junk Drawer Revolutions"? I think that that would be amusing.

Onto the content of the episode. As usual, I agree with most of what you've said here, and while I think that you might not hit right on the mark all the time, you at least hit it close enough for people to figure it out themselves.

And yes, while I'm a fan of MLP:FiM, I hope desperately that they don't try to redo some of the other stuff from the same period. It'd be annoying. However, if Lauren Faust got hold of it, some of it might be reasonable, but then it'd just be old and same-y.

Another thing, I don't think guys (at least those I've spoken to, and yes, I agree that it's not impiricle as you said) don't have a problem with relatively good looking men in movies/game/etc. it's, just that we don't want to hear about it all the time. It's like aliens and periods, we know it's there, we just don't need to be reminded about it all the time.

Also, I don't think guys watch movies/games solely for the girls in them unless it's porn related. I could be wrong though. I know that I certainly don't.

Father Time:
As for Soul Calibur I've condemned the game for it's unrealistic women and sexual pandering. Therefore I will continue to condemn Twilight for being preteen porn as others have called it.

Consistency FTW.

Anyway I should point out that I love Soul Calibur, it's one of my favorite fighting franchises (not for the women but for the gameplay).

Actually I take that back. I don't condemn Twilight for trying to be "preteen porn" because honestly with such terrible writing that's all it can hope to be (I still mock it for being preteen porn if that makes sense).

Soul Calibur meanwhile is a solid fighting game with unnecessary sexual pandering thrown in

I doubt that if Jem gets rebooted, that it'll go the MLP route. Most of the fans liked the show for its soap opera-lite aspects. So I'm guessing they'll keep that tone, albeit with one that has a more post-modern bent to it. They'll most likely look to shows like Buffy, Veronica Mars and Gossip Girl as examples and influences. Jem herself will probably be redone as as Lady Gaga/Katy Perry-esque pop superstar (which would actually bring the whole concept full-circle, as both artists have either consciously or subconsciously referenced or been influenced by the show in some way). Now if they can get some really good writers, and get someone like Giorgio Moroder to write the songs, you might have something.

Actually, I wouldn't mind more girls' cartoon remakes. Yes, if it would be as Bob described, with cheap pop-culture references, that would be bad, but even if a FEW brain-dead creators would believe that MLP was like that, and commit that mistake, for anyone else with a little sense, it isn't that hard to look into the MLP fandom, and make a list of the reasons why people caim to like it: Good animation, good characterization, "cuteness", good humor.

In other words, production values, production values, and production values.

If they want to make well-animated girls' series by a dedicated team that cares about making a good show, then they are welcome to try, even if it won't be such a shocking meme for a second time, but at least some animation fans will enjoy them, not to mention the original target audience.

I don't think it's fair to say "they're all going to suck." I mean, that's probable and it's a funnier line than "some might be good, after all MLP surprised us", but still.

I agree that some of the upcoming remakes will suck, but certainly not all of them.
As for memes and bronies? MLP is a one in a million shot, and won't happen again. (After all, they did the unthinkable and cameo'ed a Doctor that WASN'T the 4th Doctor! The Horror!/sarcasm)

1) After reading this, I guess I'll restrain myself a little more from complaining about the way the guys look in Twilight, since I do shamefully enjoy the fanservice that Soul Calibur gives, as well as other videogames. Though in defense of SC, it gives fanservice to both genders, where as Twilight is just showing estrogen bridge bait and giving really nothing for the guys. That, and SC has a far better story of sorts than Twilight.

2) Since it often occurs on the televised debates, that they'll take a question that was submitted to the moderators online to the Republican canidates, I'm all for everyone watching this episode of "The Big Picture," to sumbit that question to the moderators of the next debate, asking Ron Paul to say his name backwards to see if he does disappear to another dimension.

3) Wow, the guy at "Big Hollywood" seems to not know his Star Wars too much. In the expanded universe, there are already homosexual couples. Hell, it's even canon there is a homosexual Mandalorian couple on Mandalore. For those who don't know, Mandalorians are the people and planetary culture that Jango and Boba Fett came from.

You know, I used to love this series... But this episode felt rushed, and you just seemed to be trolling.

I am getting a bit sick of your holier than thou attitude you've been getting as of late. You used to at least on the surface come off a tad bit more neutral.

Now it's coming across as if you believe everything you think/feel/say is right, and anything else is wrong. Completely wrong. So wrong it's stupid to have ever even crossed someones mind.

Is this what you've devolved into? Guess it's just another ego blossoming on the interwebs.

My responses to topics in video
Game Score: I see that companies want more people to play their games other then the fans who was going to buy them anyway. However they can't be happy with 6-8 out of 10 score.

Peaches/DLC: Patches (I agree with you), DLC (not so much)

politicians in frames: I don't know, pre-bought photo frames pictures show younger people then politicians or the politicians try to be a generic every-man

Ron Pall: I see what you did there

Sony and Cards: No matter how much I can defend for Sony, I agree with you.

Gay and SW: Can't agree more

Soul Calibur 5 vs Twilight: Know what, you got a great point there. Agreed.

"Feminist" gamer: Sorry not touching that topic.

Retail stores: There loss.

Racist fence: Saying the game is racist and your black and offended, The game is racist. Saying the game is racist and your white and offended, shut the f*** up. Only a person in the same race that the media making fun of can call it racist or not.

Batman's voice: God yes!

My little pony: I think the show got struck by lightning lucky when the show got picked up by 4chaners and build the fan base and spread like wildfire.

draythefingerless:
I like how people make a fuss of Old Republic gay marriage forgetting the original trilogy had fucking incest in it.

My gawd he's right... sort of, im not sure if a kiss warrents incest but I get where your coming from.

Also, couldnt agree more about the Twilight thing. I mean its reeeeeally bad fan service (I personally believe fan service can be used for good especially when it comes to style) but calling out girls/guys for finding them hawt is stupid, HES GOT AN 8 PACK FOR GAWDS SAKE! Rant and moan about the writing/story/characters sure but leave the sexy timez out of it, at least THEY had a good reason for not wearing much Ivy.

Yet I wonder what ol' Bob has to say about the second analoge stick peripheral for the 3DS?

Nothing too critical, I'd wager.

I still don't understand how or why a My Little Ponies series became this internet phenomenon seemingly overnight. Or over any length of time.

Since I won't watch the show, I probably never will, either. It just seems bizarre to me.

Y'know, last I checked, a great many male gamers were rolling their eyes about the Soul Caliber ladies as much as anyone else. I don't think I've ever seen someone go to any great lengths to defend them.

Also, what exactly were we saying about the Twilight guys? Sure, I've heard plenty off nasty things said about the books/movies, but never anything along the lines of, "They're not allowed to have sexy topless guys."

I agree with everything except the part about rebooting old girly franchises due to the success of MLP. I'm sorry but you are plain wrong with that one, simply because MLP is more like a Lauren Faust thing than a old gen reboot thing, if you take the success that The Powerful Girls had back at its day is no brainer to determinate which is the real cause of it success.

Too much for having the big picture, but then the "90's suck" pre consideration make you skip some critical information.

Posted on page 4(hopefully). It hardly matters, but I wanted to say it anyway.

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