Escape to the Movies: Avengers

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Laughing Man:
A thought regarding the mid credit scene.

I am not a comic book fan, I saw Hulk and Spider Man when they came out and only went to see Ironman after seeing the previews, I knew nothing of The Avengers and the end scene in Ironman, which I thought was great, was interesting but didn't peak my interest though I did recognise that it meant something big was coming. It wasn't until they did the same thing after The Incredible Hulk that I started to gain some interest in what the long term plan was. I didn't see Thor or Captain American at release I did see Iron Man 2 at the cinema though and eventually saw Thor and Captain American on Blu-ray. By now the whole Avengers thing was pretty set and yeah I was interested, but my knowledge of the Avengers universe only extended as far as what I had seen in the movies.

So here's the point, The Avengers was f*cking awesome but that last scene meant nothing to me, I had no idea who the person was. The movies worked nicely for the uninitiated but that end scene was clearly for the fans.

I know now who the person is and what that persons significance is but that's because I had to go and find out via google.

Not to be picky but this movie and all of it's predecessors have been for the fans. That's what made them successful, they said "lets make a movie the fans will like based on some of the most popular characters of the most popular comic publishing universe" and not "Lets make a movie like the average action movie and through a comic book character as the main guy"

Zaul2010:
So who did the Aliens turn out to be? (If they are a new thing don't be specific)

Chiauri, which was the Ultimate Universe's name for Skrulls. Because I think Skrulls are tied up with Fantastic Four and Fox. But they had no real Skrull-ish features so really they're just generic aliens.

Laughing Man:
So here's the point, The Avengers was f*cking awesome but that last scene meant nothing to me, I had no idea who the person was. The movies worked nicely for the uninitiated but that end scene was clearly for the fans.

But surly even for a non-fan, a big purple freaky guy at least makes you go "huh, there will be a sequel".

Ugh this movie killed me. KILLED ME. I went to the midnight premiere and then again that Friday evening plus I'm going again tomorrow. This is a movie where I need a bluray like right the fuck now. Bruce and Tony science bro's was the best thing ever, Loki is probably one of my favorite villains of all time, and the entire cast just owns their roles. I loved this movie, it was what I wanted, and I don't know when I'll be able to walk out of the theater without a big stupid grin on my face.

I liked the part where the movie was playing. o_______o

It was all nerdbait, and I loved every second of it.

*EDIT* Black Widow is someone who I now have to buy all of the merchandise about. x_x Ow, my wallet.

omegawyrm:
I'm surprised no one's talking about how they

Well, that's one of Whedon's trademarks.

Safaia:
Loki is probably one of my favorite villains of all time, and the entire cast just owns their roles. I loved this movie, it was what I wanted, and I don't know when I'll be able to walk out of the theater without a big stupid grin on my face.

Sorry, but how could that whiny brat possibly be a favourite villain? He takes orders from some faceless aliens and gets tossed around by individual avengers. His whole motivation is a childhood inferiority complex and some megalomaniacal delusions.

conflictofinterests:
I liked the part where the movie was playing. o_______o

Yeah, that was my favorite part of the movie too...

Holy crap that was freaking awesome! I just knew they wouldn't cock it up after all this time. :D

zombie711:
Dude I want wasp and Ant man in their own movie.

Now why exactly would you want that?

Varya:
Swedes are normaly quiet in theaters but there were a lot of cheers and laugh at loud moments and was met by applause when the credits rolled.

Same for me except your neighbour country Finland.
I mean in comedies people laugh yes but the amount of laughter and "ooooooooooh yeeeeeeaaaaaaahh" screams and applaus was just freaky. Of course I also got pulled into it...

I see a lot of people mentioning names of B-listers that Marvel may be making a movie of next, but I guarantee that they'll get their biggest players back -the X-Men and especially Spider-Man- before they do anything like that. Those two franchises their most popular (prior to the recent string of Avengers-members movies, anyway), and for Spider-Man and Wolverine you have two new Avengers recruits right there. Of course, they have the added bonus of being the most popular and second-most-popular Marvel characters. And those two franchises are the key components of the next big crossover project: Civil War. You need Iron Man, Captain America, and Spidey as the focus, and then you need the idea of "mutantism" (I'm sure there's a term for it in the comics) to explain how this superhuman thing became prevalent enough to warrant public outrage and have enough of them to have an actual war.

We'll have to wait to see what happens with the movies, though. Fox is going to be a real bastard when it comes to getting rights back, and while I envision Sony being easier to obtain from, Marvel will have to wait for the current reboot franchise to have at least had a bit of a run. If TASM flops, then Marvel should be able to get it back then, but if it doesn't, well, Sony already has plans for a sequel.

Merrick_HLC:

Chaos Marine:
It's a shame how Marvel fucked over the creators of the original creators of the characters from the Avengers which makes it hard for me to really enjoy this movie.

Co-creators I assume you mean.
Stan Lee is in all the movies so I doubt he feels 'fucked over' and the only character in Avengers he didn't have a hand in creating is Captain America.

Really, and I say this as an at least wannabe writer who is sympathetic to creator's by nature.... I think there's a lot of overstatement of how 'evil marvel' was to creators back in the day.

No one around had any real idea these things would continue on for ages or be having huge blockbusters in 50 years.

Comics were seen as cyclical no one would care about superheroes in another 10 years.
So better a continued check as a writer than permanent royalties for something that wouldn't be worth anything in 20 years.

It's unfortunate that this ended up with guys making far less money in the long run, but it's not like Marvel or DC we're forcing them to give up the rights, they could have gone to some of the many other publishers who did exist at the time and kept the characters they created, though it's unknowable if we'd remember these characters if they had.

Read this. http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/18/creator-rights-before-watchmen-avengers-moore-kirby/

MB202:

...Also, I thought Bob's top three superhero movies of all time were Superman, Spider-Man and Watchmen, but now it's The Dark Knight?

I think it was more him acknowledging what the most popular picks for favorite superhero films are, then actually pointing out his favorites. Or I guess he could've re-watched "The Dark Knight" recently and realized that it actually is better than "Watchmen."

ScientificDJ:
Snip

I disagree with you. But I honestly feel the same way about Nolan's Batman films. I don't understand what everyone enjoyed about it.

Darth_Payn:

Vault Citizen:
In the first issue of the comic series Secret Warriors Nick Fury discovers that S.H.I.E.L.D was in fact set up Hydra and that Hydra had been running it since the beginning. I wonder if we might see a similar revalation with the secret board of shadowy figures

Especially considering

There isn't much evidence so I wouldn't call it a theory, more a musing or what if?

Yeah, that was a way out-of-left-field retcon in the comics. HYDRA (always capitalize) created the organization that routinely beats them up & foils their schemes? That's a very elaborate version of punching yourself in the face.

I can see the slogan now HYDRA, the ultimate masochists

Great movie definitely going in my blu-ray collection when it's released.
Also

"Ok Marvel. Let's keep this thing going."

An already big sausage fest ensemble and you want more of the same? Come on Bob. Think bigger!

Absolutely awesome film! The Avengers certainly leaves you wanting for more and also makes the previous solo films even better in my opinion. Everything was close to perfect, sure there are some things to nitpick about but the positives greatly outweigh the negatives. I hope to do a second and perhaps a third viewing when I have the time.

I anxiously wait for Ms. Marvel, Black Panther, Ant-Man (and Wasp) and Dr. Strange to appear on the silver screen!

Congratulations Marvel Studios, you definitely deserve all the money you're currently getting. :D

Draconalis:
The after credits scene for the avengers was the best scene to ever scene in scening history.

Really? That was probably the only disappointing thing about the film for me. Never did like Thanos.

Apples_McGrind:

MB202:

...Also, I thought Bob's top three superhero movies of all time were Superman, Spider-Man and Watchmen, but now it's The Dark Knight?

I think it was more him acknowledging what the most popular picks for favorite superhero films are, then actually pointing out his favorites. Or I guess he could've re-watched "The Dark Knight" recently and realized that it actually is better than "Watchmen."

Given how so many people are coming out of the closet and saying how much they hated the original trilogy and are actually EXCITED for the new movie, I'm guessing that that and Superman are still his top favorite superhero movies and NOT just popular picks, though it that WERE the case, including The Dark Knight as opposed to Watchmen WOULD make sense, seeing as not everyone was on-board saying that movie was awesome.

Mewick_Alex:
Really? That was probably the only disappointing thing about the film for me. Never did like Thanos.

That was the mid credits scene, not the after credits scene.

You know, they probably could've saved themselves a whole lot of trouble with that whole "can't get through the pure-energy force field surrounding the device" problem and prevented the portal from opening in the first place if one of them had just brought along a package of Twinkies. As the following epic tale demonstrates, Cosmic Cub...er...tesseracts...can easily distracted by Twinkies:

MB202:

Apples_McGrind:

MB202:

...Also, I thought Bob's top three superhero movies of all time were Superman, Spider-Man and Watchmen, but now it's The Dark Knight?

I think it was more him acknowledging what the most popular picks for favorite superhero films are, then actually pointing out his favorites. Or I guess he could've re-watched "The Dark Knight" recently and realized that it actually is better than "Watchmen."

Given how so many people are coming out of the closet and saying how much they hated the original trilogy and are actually EXCITED for the new movie, I'm guessing that that and Superman are still his top favorite superhero movies and NOT just popular picks, though it that WERE the case, including The Dark Knight as opposed to Watchmen WOULD make sense, seeing as not everyone was on-board saying that movie was awesome.

Are people really saying that they "hated" the original Spider-Man trilogy now?! I know the third one isn't very good, but that's kind of depressing. They kind of rewrote the genre.

And that new Spider-Man movie seems really iffy.

Mewick_Alex:
That was probably the only disappointing thing about the film for me. Never did like Thanos.

Thanos is cool and all, but like... Hello? Kang the Conqueror? Ultron? Red Skull? Dr. Doom? The Leader? Mandarin? M.O.D.O.K? COME ON GUYS

But to be fair, Thanos is the definitive Marvel Crossover villain.

Apples_McGrind:
Are people really saying that they "hated" the original Spider-Man trilogy now?! I know the third one isn't very good, but that's kind of depressing. They kind of rewrote the genre.

And that new Spider-Man movie seems really iffy.

Did they? I guess I was too young to appreciate that, but as a kid I always found the movies mediocre and they only got worse as I grew up.
Those movies had none of the character-driven drama tied into the action that is so compelling about Spider-man.
Plus, they were ridiculously campy. Re-watching them makes that clear. They just didn't take the source material seriously enough. And I always hated Toby McGuire (McGuire? MacGuire? Eh) as Peter Parker.
Oh, and Spiderman had all the wit and charisma of the annoying twelve year old in the cinema who had too much sprite and keeps making comments to impress his friends.
Spiderman is supposed to be funny in an insolent sort of way, while masking his genuine fear with humour, not... a douche.

And I have really high hopes for Amazing Spider-man. But that's me.

... When did I start ranting about Spider-man?

Apples_McGrind:
Are people really saying that they "hated" the original Spider-Man trilogy now?! I know the third one isn't very good, but that's kind of depressing. They kind of rewrote the genre.

And that new Spider-Man movie seems really iffy.

Go to any trailer posted on youtube and you'll see comments about how this one will be better because it's truer to the comics, because apparently the FOUNDATION of Spider-man as a character was always mechanical webshooters and making wisecracks, and not the whole balancing superheroing with normal teenager stuff, and that great power, great responsibility stuff that the Raimi movies focused on (first two anyway), that stuff isn't important at all.

Anyway, can only wonder where the Marvel movies will go from here. To early to jump into the Civil War, though that's the one of the biggest profile crossover events. Secret Wars maybe (first one)?

This in my opinion is the greatest of all Comic book movies and is now my favorite movie of all times.

Apples_McGrind:

MB202:

Given how so many people are coming out of the closet and saying how much they hated the original trilogy and are actually EXCITED for the new movie, I'm guessing that that and Superman are still his top favorite superhero movies and NOT just popular picks, though it that WERE the case, including The Dark Knight as opposed to Watchmen WOULD make sense, seeing as not everyone was on-board saying that movie was awesome.

Are people really saying that they "hated" the original Spider-Man trilogy now?! I know the third one isn't very good, but that's kind of depressing. They kind of rewrote the genre.

And that new Spider-Man movie seems really iffy.

Well, that's the way it seems. Whenever I bring up those movies, they all talk about everything that was wrong with them and how they look forward to the remake, like Sony is actually making that movie because they fully intend to meet the demands of the fans and not their own agendas.

And yeah, I don't like the way the new movie looks, the focus on Peter Parker's parents, Spider-Man's costume doesn't look NEARLY as awesome as the original trilogy's, the Lizard also looks dumb, and... well, I just didn't really see the point. The third movie, IMO, wasn't THAT bad, and it CERTAINLY didn't warrant rebooting the entire series.

Thespian:

Mewick_Alex:
That was probably the only disappointing thing about the film for me. Never did like Thanos.

Thanos is cool and all, but like... Hello? Kang the Conqueror? Ultron? Red Skull? Dr. Doom? The Leader? Mandarin? M.O.D.O.K? COME ON GUYS

But to be fair, Thanos is the definitive Marvel Crossover villain.

Can't have Ultron without the Pyms. Red skull died in Cpt. America. Dr. Doom is owned by fox via Fantastic 4 (which, incidently, is why they weren't facing the Skrulls), Kang is a little to tied in with the FF as well. Mandarin and M.O.D.O.K. are probably a little too obscure. Marvel tied down the Leader with some comic tie-ins, He is in S.H.E.I.L.D. custody, he was in The HULK though.

And they teased everyone with the bloody glove at Comic Con so yeah let's go all the way. HOWEVER, if fox will ever be good people and realize they can't make good superhero movies (most of the time anyways...)and let marvel get back FF and all that stuff i'd like to see any and all. Also X-men cross-over. Want avengers v magneto/botherhood movie...

OT;umm... My nitpicks
-never said "Avengers Assemble!"
-Hulk never yelled "HULK STRONGEST THERE IS!!!*rage face*" and he had like three really awesome opportunities...
-


-same as bob's, not enough for maria hill.
-What does marvel have against grand central station? I have seen that destoyed by marvel in more things...
-pepper in daisy dukes? i'm not complaining (she was lookin' fiiiiine) but that was kinda OOC...

Although, i find all of the nits hard to pick when i realize, "wait there's a helicarrier on the screen." Also, HULK is funniest part of this movie.
favorite scene - ummmmm... hmmmm... gonna have to say, i actually really liked the scene in the lab...

sorry too many spoiler tags...

Not a bad movie. I was wondering how they would fit Hawkeye in as a "major" character without his role feeling forced, and they did a decent job of it. I did think they underplayed Cap in this movie a bit too much. He didn't seem to be as much of the "leader" of the Avengers as he should have been. His on screen presence just wasn't there as much as in his own movie, and on the flip side, Stark was a little bit too much center stage, over-powering some of the other characters.

I was only really disappointed in the "generic" alien bad guys. I would have liked a little more screen-time given to them to make the audience "care" why they are involved. Maybe a bit more with them and Loki...

Other than that, decent. I'll be glad to see a second one.

maninahat:

*snip*
Or maybe the point is that schadenfreude is fun.

I'm inclined to agree with omegawyrm. Actually hoping for some schadenfreude does make you kind of a dick (in my books at least). I'll admit it's a guilty pleasure I've indulged in before, but I at least feel bad about it afterwards.

Lizardon:
I'm drawing a blank on what the new dimension of Agent Coulson was that redeems the second act of Iron Man 2. Didn't he only show up for a few seconds to give Tony some of his fathers stuff before going to find Thor's hammer? And what was specifically wrong with the second act?

I didn't get what Bob meant by that either. Can anyone shed some light on this?

im pretty sure at least in US release they said avengers assemble, because i remember i big cheer at the midnight showing when they said it

saw it last night, still laughing. The Hulk/Ruffalo steals every scene hes in. the last time a monologue was interrupted this well was Samuel L. Jacksons performance as chum in deep blue sea.

Ok, Avengers, but if the next review isnt Iron Sky I am seriously beginning to suspect that Bob has got some genuine Nazi sympathies.

THANK YOU BOB!
I'm the only one in my classroom who got to see the "second bonus" scene (only 12 of us, with 3 who have seen it, but still)
That bit was just a whole lot of fun :)
Also, the whole movie (and singlehandedly being the best appearance of the Live Action Hulk/Banner on-screen for the last 10 years)

maninahat:

omegawyrm:

maninahat:
I have to admit that I'm kind of disappointed that this film is turning out to be good, at least according to the concensus. I was hoping for a mediocre, anti-climactic movie, just to see how furious Bob would have gotten. Guess I'll just have to watch a good super hero movie instead. Win win.

Wow. How... pointlessly dickish of you.

Perhaps the point is not to get too worked up over something as trivial as a comic book movie. Or to not get on your fans nerves with constant references to said comic book movie.

Or maybe the point is that schadenfreude is fun.

Your comment is bad and you should feel bad... Jerk.

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