What Ethnic Group Will Replace Nazis?

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Always safe: Robots, zombies, aliens, mimes.

But seriously, 'ethnic group' doesn't work, since there's no ethnic group that's genetically irredeemable (jokes here) - it needs to be tied to some strongly nationalistic evil cartoon villain. Which is why Russia is so popular. How about Syria? - that's been pretty neglected.

How about Belgians? Nobody would suspect it, and one of their Kings did commit atrocities in the Congo, and Belgium would bind its time while the super powers fought each other, weakening, then Belgium would strike. It would make a change from the Nazis as Villains either speaking German, German accented English, or just British sounding Nazis Aka (Hollywood Nazis). Also Belgium has two languages Dutch and French and it is a country made of two countries, Flanders and Walloonia with two ethnic groups, the Flemish and the Walloons. So if they conquered Europe it would crumble within over a domination dispute, actually that doesn't sound like a bad idea, that sounds like an interesting game, It would be different to say the least, 'Mid Distant Future, the Belgian Empire Conquers Europe but is engulfed in a Civil War, along with fighting resistance in occupied countries'. It may not be great to some or most, but its a change from fighting Nazis, Soviets, Communists, Zombies, Chinese, North Koreans and Occult Nazis all the time.

rhizhim:

ACman:
Romans?

Like future Romans? Like an alternate history where Rome didn't become corrupt and fall?

romans from the dark side of the moon.

DVS BSTrD:
The problem with your historical examples is that their infractions against human decency took place so long ago that its not possible to get the same schadenfreude factor. It would have to be somebody recent like Mexican drug lords, the Syrian army or gingers.

and no one says the Lord's Resistance Army.

didnt the kony fiasco gave you enough cut limbs and lips to just hate them?

I think the problem with a having a shooter featuring the lords resistance army is that you'd just be shooting black people.... Specifically black children....

Formica Archonis:

Casual Shinji:
Why not simply set it in the future and have the enemy be France or Poland? Afterall, a nation's morals can greatly change across the ages, so we can use that as an excuse.

Because if you were selling a book in post-WWI Germany entitled "In 20 Years You'll be Known as a Bunch of Genocidal Megalomaniacs" you wouldn't get many buyers, no matter how right you were.

Yes, but that wouldn't be taking the defeated German mindset into account.

I don't mean a serious future war, but one where the warring nation in question is more like a moustach twirling Bond villain. It could be anyone, even Belgium.

Otherwise we'd have to go the Killzone route and have it be about a bunch of space colonists/miners taking up arms against Earth.

Torture is sometimes necessary.

For example the Great Fire of London was only put up by the heroic intervention of an Iron Maiden on a pesky Catholic, who revealed where he and his pesky friends had set up the bomb.

"Chips" is marginally better than "Heart." By your powers combined I am Captain Bristol!

I thought that Nazis were replaced quite a while ago by Middle Eastern terrorists and zombies. Middle Eastern terrorists might get offended but no-one cares. They're already offended by everything so much that they make themselves look like cartoon characters. And zombies are zombies.

But you can't kill Vikings! Vikings are awesome! Yeah, they did some morally questionable things but they have awesome gods and mythology and blah blah blah. Everybody loves Vikings and no-one wants to kill them. We want to be them.

Draconalis:
My vote goes to the Amish.

Genius! They wouldn't even know they were even in any game!

ACman:

rhizhim:

ACman:
Romans?

Like future Romans? Like an alternate history where Rome didn't become corrupt and fall?

romans from the dark side of the moon.

DVS BSTrD:
The problem with your historical examples is that their infractions against human decency took place so long ago that its not possible to get the same schadenfreude factor. It would have to be somebody recent like Mexican drug lords, the Syrian army or gingers.

and no one says the Lord's Resistance Army.

didnt the kony fiasco gave you enough cut limbs and lips to just hate them?

I think the problem with a having a shooter featuring the lords resistance army is that you'd just be shooting black people.... Specifically black children....

would that not be a double standard?

Yankeedoodles:
Why would there need to be a Western European? Wheeler was already there representing the West. Granted Wheeler was a bit of prick, but still...

Funny thing, while Wheeler was a prick in most, if not all cases, he was still right about some things. Look up "Strawman has a Point" on TVTropes and look under Western Animation.

Also, I think the Blonde chick was from Europe... or maybe it was Russia...

Casual Shinji:
Yes, but that wouldn't be taking the defeated German mindset into account.

Okay, my mistake for using something with a historical basis there.

Because if you were selling a book any country entitled "In 20 Years You'll be Known as a Bunch of Genocidal Megalomaniacs" you wouldn't get many buyers, no matter how right you turned out to be.


WanderingFool:
Also, I think the Blonde chick was from Europe... or maybe it was Russia...

"The Soviet Union" when the show started, but they changed it to "Eastern Europe" later because of that whole no-more-Soviet-Union thing and for some reason didn't want to say "Russia".

I don't think any historical groups would really replace the Nazis because they have become the bogie men of the Post-Enlightenment era.

No one really sees Mongol, Huns, Vikings, or any of the other hundreds of murdering groups out there as anything really evil because they were uncivilized barbarians and consequently their rampages were excused. Hence why we see Spartans as cool but modern day militarized societies are looked down on.

The Nazis represent more than just barbarity. In an era where we expect people to know better, they incorporated systematic killing into their society. They were sophisticated killers rather than mindless brutes who used the advances of civilization for terrible crimes. Notice how the Vikings, Mongols, and such didn't actually progress while they were conquering and raiding.

Sixcess:
Brits.

We have that offhand condescending superiority that drives the lesser races foreigners into a foaming frenzy of hatred, our long imperial history means we've been horrible to just about everyone at some time or other so everyone can be convinced that they're due some payback, and we're a (reasonably successful) multi cultural society nowadays so you can do colourblind casting for your villains.

Also the accents.

I think it's already happening. Killzone was bad enough - sure I expect the high ranking villains to have british accents, but I was genuinely taken aback when I saw clips of the rank and file sounding like british squaddies. (Leaving aside that the Helghast should be the protagonists anyway.)

But it was The Old Republic that really made me think "we're next." Again I was expecting the high ranks to be brits, but there's an imperial NPC early on with a welsh accent, so I guess that makes us all evil now.

Nah, we'd just be too darn awesome at it. At least until we were called on to actually fight and then it would turn out that without being able to conscript a few thousand Indians, we're worthless.

OT: at least we haven't had anyone falling into the trap and attempting to justify tort-

CosmicCommander:
Torture is sometimes necessary.

For example the Great Fire of London was only put up by the heroic intervention of an Iron Maiden on a pesky Catholic, who revealed where he and his pesky friends had set up the bomb.

Well, darn. There goes my faith in humanity, the world is doomed, blah blah blah, etc.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
...suffice to say that the fact that there can possibly be any debate as to whether torture is ever justified goes to prove how much evolving we as a species still need to do. Nobody "deserves" to be tortured, and anyone who attempts to justify it is an utterly toxic character...

A not very long time ago there was alot of controversy in Germany because a police officer threatened a man with torture. There was 100% conclusive evidence that the man had kidnapped and abused a child who might still be alive, and the police officer wanted to press the location of the child out of him. It worked, the child was already dead, and if I remember correctly, the police officer was fined 5000€.

Just food for thought.

Yahtzee Croshaw:

Essentially they're the whole reason dipshits still debate torture on internet forums.

Sorry.

Vanquish had Russian robots, which I thought was a nice variation on the theme. And a short sequence where you gunned down US Marines.

The problem with choosing the next favorite bad guy is that there no longer is an accepted majority. you cannot select any race or color without upsetting someone, rightfully so arguably.

Nazis are so easy, even the germans think they were bad, back in the Hitler haydays.

Islamists? meh, that's just adding oil to the fire, pun in fact intended.
Russians? meh, old and beaten (by Rambo and Rocky a long time ago)

Best bet would be to pick your favorite military dictator, used some mixed facts and fiction and that would be a seller. Rwanda massacre anyone? North Korea is pretty bad as i hear, not a good place to have an opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship

My personal pick goes toward Chinese, with reserves. They notoriously protect themselves from outsiders, share little, copy a lot, have a great military and, as found lately, seem to be involved in US military chips backdoor, all in all, fairly involved in espionnage and not in favor of liberty of speech, or liberty itself for that matter and whatever else we stand for.

Although, its not REALLY up for grabs. Hollywood's on it. they've historically set the tone on what we must think of others. Their last trend of "the enemy within" is getting exhausted, watch the latest blockbusters for the answer!

Istvan:
Nazis aren't an ethnic group they're a political group :V

Also all Danes are Viking warriors still and we routinely raid Britain, we're just stealthy now. Thank Odin for the cardboard box.

Would you not agree that Yahtzee's disparaging of Vikings and blonds calls for a good plundering of Australia?

Scandinavians and Viking diaspora unite!

Nomanslander:
Simple, the French.

Honestly I've gotten tired of killing Nazis because in the end I like the Germans, well the generations since then at least. But as for the French, I don't think there's been a time in the world anyone has ever liked them. They can be more smug than the English, more harsh than the Germans, and bigger assholes than the Americans. I really think they can be the perfect villains, and a delight to murder in the masses. But then again there's that whole surrendering thing they're known for, with that I say have it take place in Napoleonic Era when they supposedly had a lot more balls and it'll be perfect...^^

While I am totally with you on that there is ONE BIG PROBLEM with the French villain:

"French is like wiping you ass with silk" (Matrix Reloded)

Seriously - WHO will not die from laughing when the villains try to threaten you in French - Instant Comedy!
Same goes for Switzerland. So, my number 2 villain is the USA!

No.1 is still Nazies and Zombies. I like shooting them best, by a long shot (pun intended)

an Food for Brain: What is wrong with shooting Marsians (and Aliens in General)???

I dunno, I stand by the "Ghengis Khan wasn't all that nice." Yeah, he'd offer a choice of enslavement or death. What a guy! Seriously, the Mongols killed so many people that some researchers think it precipitated a period of global cooling (less people burning wood==less carbon footprint) No, seriously:
http://www.astrobio.net/blog/?p=1104

I think the lack of decent villains is another reason for the popularity of zombies (and the occasional killer robot). They're already dead, you can't reason with them, kill 'em with impunity. Alas, zombies not being all that bright makes for a less satisfying villain-- but hey, at least the AI is easier to program.

Domoslaf:

Ekonk:
TL;DR Mongols hardly that bad, certainly not on par with the Nazis.

Life was also pretty sweet for Germans in Nazi Germany, that's just how it is when you're at the correct end of the unstoppable war machine.

This. Its not that the empire was burglars-free, but robbery was so severely punished it wasn't worthy. Again, living in an mighty military-state can do wonders for your safety (at the expense of your freedom)

P.S.: Yahtzee, don't complain about not having a Planeteer. You had two to represent you (one for Europe and one for English speakers), and they had pretty useful powers to match (wind and fire). Instead, we got a filler character, who writers couldn't even bother to give an elemental power (heart? are you serious?). Oceania had it worst, though...

"They went around conquering a load of places without even asking first..."

Actually, they did. They would send a scout ahead to the city they were going to invade, with demands of tributes and such. If the city elders refused, they were destoyed. :)

Space zombies we have kill lots of zombies on earth but never any zombies from space it could be lots of fun.

Spartans. Those guys were massive, MASSIVE dicks, despite what 300 would have you believe.

Plus, you really want a Planeteer from western Europe, Yahtzee? I'm sure you've seen that show and you should be thankful there isn't one. That show was garbage.

It's hard to select bad guys from history. Every people has a bloody history, even the new ones (cough... Native Americans... cough....). And some are proud of it. For example, I am proud to belong to a people whose king drank from the skull of the Byzantine Emperor.

Or we could stop trying to find subjects suitable for being demonized, and start killing regular nice chaps. Thats what happens in real wars after all. Unfortunately that would make games with these war settings unsuitable for propaganda, which I suppose is the whole point.

FOX Media execs. I mean, they're going to make shit up to lambast the industry anyway.

Speaking of which, when did those jackasses get a monopoly on online news in Australia? Or heck, a foothold to begin with? I can practically smell the nation getting more ignorant.

May as well be Brits, or more specifically the English. We're used to it anyway, loads of movies cast a villain with a cut-glass English accent. Besides, it's not as if we've always been pleasant...

I would like to mention one group I'd like to see cast as evil less often: scientists. (Ok not an ethnic group but then, as others have pointed out, neither were Nazis.) I'm a scientist myself, and the reckless and immoral scientist TV/Game/Movie trope is really tiresome. Studying, the physical world in depth doesn't magically make anyone less ethical. Furthermore, ethics was a compulsory part of my undergrad course ~15 years ago so the importance of a bit of reflection has been acknowledged for at least that long.

*Grumble* *axe grind*

Why make the Vikings bad guys? (oh yeah we did sort of invade the british isles).

Why not a game where you play as one of the norse gods (the real ones, not the ones in Marvel or Too Human) fighting off all the fake religious figures (a brawl between Tyr and Hercules would be awesome, or a tag-team match between Odin and Thor vs Allah and Jesus just to be completely politically incorrect).

OR EVEN BETTER!

Playing as a viking INVADING the british isles

According to most modern games, the ethnic group we pick on can't be in Western Europe (but the evil mastermind can be a brit who speaks with a "Queen's English" accent.) have to be white enough to not be accused of being "racist" yet foreign enough so that it all sounds like "Gibberish" when they talk... Also they have to usually be a poor and/or unstable country.

Jokes aside, my vote goes towards the Mongols. The vikings may have been Barbaric but they seemed to have been relatively honorable, at least to the point that a lot of the west looks back on the Viking Age with a smile. "Oh you guys!" While the Mongols were... Well infinitely more terrifying. Vikings inspire fear as a side effect of all the burning and pillaging, Mongols inspired fear on purpose. And usually went about things a lot more brutally than the vikings.

Giftmacher:
May as well be Brits, or more specifically the English. We're used to it anyway, loads of movies cast a villain with a cut-glass English accent. Besides, it's not as if we've always been pleasant...

I would like to mention one group I'd like to see cast as evil less often: scientists. (Ok not an ethnic group but then, as others have pointed out, neither were Nazis.) I'm a scientist myself, and the reckless and immoral scientist TV/Game/Movie trope is really tiresome. Studying, the physical world in depth doesn't magically make anyone less ethical. Furthermore, ethics was a compulsory part of my undergrad course ~15 years ago so the importance of a bit of reflection has been acknowledged for at least that long.

*Grumble* *axe grind*

hasn't Marvel degraded the public opinion of Scientists enough? I can't think of enough mad scientists that were destroyed by super heroes. Batman, superman, hulk, x-men, and well...i think just all of them, have sooner or later be the victim of a scientist trying to take over the world. (almost not a referrence to to pinky and the brain)

America. Seriously, we're the only country in the world powerful enough to actually potentially conquer it alone. (Sorry Homefront but no way in heck is North Korea ever going to conquer the free world). All the other countries would have to band together to fight us off, making for a good underdog protagonist.

And it's not even that unrealistic. With all the unnecessary wars we've been starting over in the middle east, I wouldn't have a hard believing that we might start another world war in a few decades if the right wing extremists managed to take complete control of the government.

Draconalis:
My vote goes to the Amish.

What? Why? They're like Tibetan monks, peaceful people.

My vote would be for the English or Congolese. For the English, I believe they started concentration camps on the Boer, oppressed the Irish, was a drug pusher in China, dominated India, bullied the US and enslaved many parts of Africa. As for the Congolese, with how wide spread/systematic rape is there, they seem like good villains.

Note: i am white/caucasian/whatever

Can i vote for white people? Just ya know, nothin racist or demonizing of a race. But just make the race you most comonly are in a game as the protagonist also the main race of the enemy.

Is that so hard? Do they have to be different to be "bad"?

Targaryens. Not the pretty, innocent ones - just the pricks. Ya know, like Viserys. It's easy to tell. Some are practically born with the trait, roughly 50% of them in fact. Has to do with the constant inbreeding.

Mongols were awesome. I don't care what anybody thinks. Genghis Khan did a lot for humanity. For example, he invented biological warfare. Also, he wrote in stone the "don't kill the messenger" thing, so by extension he also invented the Geneva Convention and human rights.

Wish the Mongol apologism would stop, whilst SOME of what they did was beneficial and they certainly weren't barbarians, that doesn't cancel out the fact they made pyramids out of human skulls.

Same with the Aztecs, they were right nasty buggers and the fact they also built a nice city doesn't cancel out that fact.

There are loads of African dictators to use, but that kinda runs into the problem of killing loads of black people *cough*RE5*cough* .

The main problem is that the modern-day baddies tend to be a lot poorer than us which kinda takes the sportsmanship out of it. The best analogue for an evil empire today probably IS the US... so why not go with that? I'd play a game where you have to fight an America-gone rogue, but then I guess I'm not american so my opinion isn't worth much on that.

To any Americans reading: Would you be put of if the main enemy of a game was your own nation gone evil?

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