Jimquisition: Xbox 360 and PS3 Are Just Very Crap PCs

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gphjr14:
If it wasn't for the cost of constantly upgrading the hardware I'd be more inclined to use my PC for gaming.

But you don't. Buy a mid range rig and it'll vastly outperform the current gen consoles

1nfinite_Cros5:
I wouldn't say consoles start as very crap PCs. Most of their launches, I'll admit, are rather decent because of the launch titles that invite the consumer to try it out with few hassles.

No. I'd say that most consoles are now trying to be like PCs. With updates, patches, online, etc., but don't do it quite as well because they're usually closed platforms bound to a corporation. PCs, on the other hand, are open and the owners of games are free to do whatever they want with their game.

Maybe they didn't start out as crap PCs once upon a time, but these days? Yeah, I have a feeling the next PS and Xbox will do the PC thing.

And I'm inclined to wonder why I even bother with consoles anymore.

Oh yeah, it's what my friends play. Most of them don't have gaming rigs.

That's it. Right now, that is the ONLY reason I have,

For me, at this stage the only tangible benefits to my consoles are the occasional exclusive that's any good (I've recently gotten into the Ratchet and Clank series on my PS3), and that for now I can still trade in my old games that I either don't want any more or failed to meet expectations, or buy super cheap versions of old games that I can't get new any more (that's how I got into R&C in the first place). Having said that, between GoG and Steam, I can get super cheap prices through the sales, and companies are trying their damnedest to stop me trading in the old stuff...

Hazy992:

gphjr14:
If it wasn't for the cost of constantly upgrading the hardware I'd be more inclined to use my PC for gaming.

But you don't. Buy a mid range rig and it'll vastly outperform the current gen consoles

And it'll probably outperform the next gen at launch. or be VERY close. At launch. A console needs a life cycle of several years.

The one advantage consoles have over the PC is the one publishers don't want it to have. Gamestop.

Jimothy Sterling:

Waaghpowa:
Also kudos for showing Tribes when you mentioned free online games. Have you given Blacklight Retribution a try? It's not bad.

I love Blacklight. Reviewed it for Destructoid, put it on par with the best this generation's shooters have to offer. It's pretty much my basis for realizing that the $60 + DLC model is going to be humiliated in a matter of years.

I played the beta, and had trouble getting into it at first. Then I started getting the hang of their strange recoil and started using HRV more. Game got so much better after that. My only complaint is their pricing. I don't want to buy an item for 1 or 3 days >_>.

I also need to remind myself to visit Destructoid more often.

Hazy992:

gphjr14:
If it wasn't for the cost of constantly upgrading the hardware I'd be more inclined to use my PC for gaming.

But you don't. Buy a mid range rig and it'll vastly outperform the current gen consoles

But seeing how I already have a console and computer it doesn't seem like its worth it right now. Plus it seems like the games I like are delayed for the PC.

Look, I enjoy PC gaming from time to time, but to say you can't think of anything that makes consoles better than PCs in any way? How about the fact that when I install a $50 game on my PC, it more often then not requires me to spend 1-3 hours getting the damn thing to run on my stupid PC because whatever they used doesn't conform to my sound/video/processor of choice.

Something is terribly wrong with your PC. I've never spent more then ten minutes to run any game that came out more then 5 years ago. Never. I've spent about 3 ours downloading and installing all Morrowind mods I wanted to have in-game and then setting up the graphics, but 90% of modern $50 titles are just installed and then launched in 10 minutes maximum.

Well, this is so if you use Windows. With Linux/Mac there may be rather hard procedures to run something if it has no Linux/Mac version.

But seeing how I already have a console and computer it doesn't seem like its worth it right now. Plus it seems like the games I like are delayed for the PC.

Only because consoles are primary for the developers cause publishers tend to think they'll get more money out of them.

Zachary Amaranth:

Hazy992:

gphjr14:
If it wasn't for the cost of constantly upgrading the hardware I'd be more inclined to use my PC for gaming.

But you don't. Buy a mid range rig and it'll vastly outperform the current gen consoles

And it'll probably outperform the next gen at launch. or be VERY close. At launch. A console needs a life cycle of several years.

Exactly, and if it doesn't just turn down the settings a bit or upgrade and sell the old parts. Then you won't have to worry about it

In my experience console gaming is still easier than PC gaming. I don't have to deal with 20 minute updates since I don't have a PS3 and it's not really that often I find I have to enter a code for anything, and even when I do I don't find it too much trouble to do. But when I get a console game I'm safe in the knowledge that it will run properly. In that sense buying a PC game is always a bit of a gamble. I also just find it more comfortable to play on console, but that's just how I sit with my laptop vs. sitting watching my TV. Although I'll agree that apart from DRM (which isn't really that big a deal anyway) the anti-consumer shit that console game publishers force on us is far worse.

gphjr14:

Hazy992:

gphjr14:
If it wasn't for the cost of constantly upgrading the hardware I'd be more inclined to use my PC for gaming.

But you don't. Buy a mid range rig and it'll vastly outperform the current gen consoles

But seeing how I already have a console and computer it doesn't seem like its worth it right now. Plus it seems like the games I like are delayed for the PC.

That's fair enough, but the idea you need to constantly need to upgrade simply isn't true

Zachary Amaranth:
Maybe they didn't start out as crap PCs once upon a time, but these days? Yeah, I have a feeling the next PS and Xbox will do the PC thing.

And I'm inclined to wonder why I even bother with consoles anymore.

Oh yeah, it's what my friends play. Most of them don't have gaming rigs.

That's it. Right now, that is the ONLY reason I have,

Well, there ARE some good exclusives on the consoles, I'll give 'em that.

CAPTCHA:

sky's the limit

More accurate would be to say that a PC is an overpriced console with no guarantee of functionality. How much do you have to spend to make it so that you don't have to turn off features to make the game function? And then there's the DRM...

I'm kind of surprised the issue of resale was not even mentioned. The fact that you actually own and are free to resell your copy of games you do not play/like anymore.

I love you, Jim.

"No homo?"

ALL THE HOMOS!

Captcha: face the music....Hmm...Wonder what it meant by that.

I'm a consold gamer but he's right. If I had the money I'd use my pc. My one saving grace is gamefly. Once the game go all digital I'll most likly ditch the consold. Sad fact is consold use to be put in and play.

I also have to admit skyrim seems more fun on consold there are some cool mods out there and pc fix have pretty much fix ever bug in the game.

meganmeave:

Because of the boring conformity, at least I know my games will be compatible with my 360 or PS3. And yes, I love mods, but I can at least see this as being a benefit to boring old console gaming.

But that's not even the case anymore. Have you ever tried playing a Bethesda game on the ps3 at any point near launch? They're usually unplayable for at least a few months and there's nothing you can do about it. At least with a PC, you can do some research and fix it yourself.

I've been saying this for a while: that consoles have adapted all of the annoyances of PC gaming without any of the benefits. And for all of the reasons stated in the video, I'm probably just going to skip the next gen of consoles. It's kind of become pointless.

And also look at the effort MS & Sony put into their consoles; we got one with great firmware support but hardware that was defective for most of this console cycle and a rising fee to play online, and you got a machine that's well built but receives the worst firmware and 3rd party support.

Really the only benefit to console gaming is that there are slightly (only slightly) more titles with split-screen but most developers are doing away with the feature so by next gen I'm betting that any game on the consoles with split-screen will probably also have it on the pc version.

I go where the jrpgs go. In that case, consoles win. Other than the occasion f2p mmo, I just don't play anything on my computer. I don't have to worry that my console has the right specs to play or how to install a new part or anything like that. I only have a little laptop that can't handle all the fancy graphics or run anything too big and I'm unemployed so I can't afford a new pc or parts to mod it. I'll stick to consoles until they stop making games I enjoy. As for pc games I'll stick with visual novels and a few other things. One last thing, In the argument of drm and things like I just don't buy games that offer this (luckily the games I play don't have drm so far) I have no problem waiting for a ps3 game to patch, and as for modding, I don't have to worry about messing something up.

I thought this stuff was common knowledge already?

Oh well.

Great job on representing your points, Jim!

HostileParadox:
I'm kind of surprised the issue of resale was not even mentioned. The fact that you actually own and are free to resell your copy of games you do not play/like anymore.

That only matters if you're not already paying a ton more for the game. If you're nabbing things 50% off or better on Steam/GOG consistently, it more than makes up for the inability to resell the games later.

As an added bonus, older games actually get cheaper over time. Nintendo is really the only big offender here, but it's somewhat annoying to see three year old games stubbornly clinging to a $30 or greater price tag. For PC most hit $20 within a year or so, and Steam tends to run deals for $10 or less on most major games within two years of release.

The only big offender I can think of for the PC here is Blizzard. I'm sorry Blizzard, but if I wanted to pay $60 for Starcraft II I would have done so two years ago. If I wanted to pay $40 for Warcraft III I would have done so a DECADE ago.

The Just Cause 2 multiplayer mod had open beta this past weekend. Had over 600 people on one server partly for stress testing, amazingly the game ran rather well. One of the few multiplayer experiences where I've had a constant smile on my face, so much fun. Long live PC gaming.

Congratulations Mr. Sterling. You've just made a video stating essentially what I've stated ON THIS FORUM several times since 2009. The only difference is that you've got your own webshow that takes inspiration from MovieBob and everyone listens to you and nobody listens to me. ...ever.

The only thing that consoles still do better then PCs is local multiplayer but that seems a dying genre, which is a shame.

Other than consoles never having to deal with being able to run a game or not, I too can see no reason.
Oh wait, Demon's Souls.

edit: ^And that. Local multiplayer = best multiplayer. Though I've never tried LAN, so who knows.

lord.jeff:
The only thing that consoles still do better then PCs is local multiplayer.

This is true, assuming devs put it in >_>

meganmeave:
Look, I enjoy PC gaming from time to time, but to say you can't think of anything that makes consoles better than PCs in any way? How about the fact that when I install a $50 game on my PC, it more often then not requires me to spend 1-3 hours getting the damn thing to run on my stupid PC because whatever they used doesn't conform to my sound/video/processor of choice.

Because of the boring conformity, at least I know my games will be compatible with my 360 or PS3. And yes, I love mods, but I can at least see this as being a benefit to boring old console gaming.

This'd be the main reason I love my consoles. I don't need to buy new bits and bobs for it every year. Cause guess what? Parts are expensive. :)

You know, I was going to respond to two of the more retarded posts on this topic, but I'm going to avoid it. I'll just assume they're trolls rather than assume they're just idiots.

lord.jeff:
The only thing that consoles still do better then PCs is local multiplayer.

Only if you like shooters. I think shooters are the only game type that still consistently include splitscreen coop. The most recent Burnout game didn't, which was rather frustrating.

As for the shitstorm: My Captcha is "take an umbrella" which seems to indicate it will happen.

My brother and I got a PS3 when the price hit $250. I got to keep the Wii when we moved out and separated. During one point I got TF2 and some old PS2 games on my laptop. While I need the PS3 for more recent AAA games, I've been going along just fine with just my Wii and laptop, and with the WiiU coming out, I might not even need the PS3 anymore. And unless the PS4/Nextbox comes along and offers me free hookers and unlimited cheese fries, I don't see what benefit it'd give me over a simple WiiU/PC combo.

People say Nintendo is stupid or kiddy or gimmicky, but they seem to be the only console maker that is actually trying to make a console. MS and Sony saw the advantages of PC gaming and tried to have all the perks for the businessmen with none of the benefits to the consumer. And the two systems are showing their age.

PC Gaming still has a ton of problems, but yes, consoles are stating to catch up. The PS3's neverending firmware updates and Sony's war on backwards compatibility, and Microsoft's subscription for online, I don't feel any incentive to get their successors. The Wii has managed to at least justify its existence on my shelf with enough games (yes, they do in fact exist) and while it had some shortcomings, it was more a "I kinda wish I had that" shortcoming and not "WHY DO THEY HAVE THIS BULLSHIT?!" failure I've seen on the other consoles.

It's kinda sad that the Wii's greatest benefits are what the people using it don't have to put up with. And local multiplayer actually exists on the Wii. There's that as well. And backwards compatibility.

I've been saying for awhile that the only benefit that consoles have over the pc is the ability to resell games, I suppose a minor benefit is plug in and play but you can't really do that on the ps3 since everything seems to like to install.

meganmeave:
Look, I enjoy PC gaming from time to time, but to say you can't think of anything that makes consoles better than PCs in any way? How about the fact that when I install a $50 game on my PC, it more often then not requires me to spend 1-3 hours getting the damn thing to run on my stupid PC because whatever they used doesn't conform to my sound/video/processor of choice.

Because of the boring conformity, at least I know my games will be compatible with my 360 or PS3. And yes, I love mods, but I can at least see this as being a benefit to boring old console gaming.

Simply keeping your drivers up to date, installing the directx and etc updates that come with games, and assuming you have a pc with somewhat capable hardware, 90% of games should be install and play.

Most games i have problems with are games that are modded out the wazoo like skyrim and arma 2, mod or bugs in general.

But getting games to run even with my month old video driver and probably 3 or 4 month old audio driver, always got net framework installed since so much junk requires it, c+,c++,c+++ etc is usually already installed from other games, indy games might require java or flash updates, but really most of the times just doing a few things here and there is all you need for pc games.

Why does the comment about upgrades come up so much? It's not even true. If you started off with a good pc at the beginning of the xbox/ ps3 era you'd have needed to upgrade what, twice to keep ahead.

I upgrade because I like playing around with the machine and tinkering to get the most out of my pc but my last desktop, bought four years ago still runs everything. Maybe not on tip top settings anymore but it'll still outperform either console.

If you're willing to put in the small amount of time needed to keep everything up to date and working properly then you have a device that's just better.

Am I the only one who isn't bothered or really affected by all the humdrum things that annoy gamers? I've never been bothered by updates. I'm completely open to playing PC games (although not many of them interest me) and out of all the reasons to own different consoles I would think that exclusives would be one of them.

Can we pull out the perspective of the pauper gamer? I work at a computer store and most of the customers that come to get their pc's fixed are still using Windows Xp and many of them have bite sized harddrives. And the ones that are decent and new are family PCs. stuffed to the brim with random software that every family member installed, downloaded, or torrented from random places.

As far as I can see it. A gaming PC is a console because anyone that bothers to have a decked out computer to play the latest game isn't going to want it bogged down with adware you're mom downloaded in an attempt to get free coupons online.

This really sounds like a mainstream gaming problem. I don't buy two thirds the games people play and get excited about so this is like the issue that never was. Has anyone considered that perhaps that is the real problem? That despite all this groaning and fighting we are still pawns to the plans of others?

Thank goodness Nintendo isn't all about "graphixxx" so all that mandatory update bullshit doesn't effect me.

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