Pokemon Black and White Version 2 Review

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Pokemon Black and White Version 2 Review

It's more of the same, but you'll still want to catch 'em all

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Black and White are still the only generation I haven't finished but I may give it another go with this.

DustlessDragoon:
Black and White are still the only generation I haven't finished but I may give it another go with this.

Same, however I just have had a lot of other games to play instead. I need to sit down and beat those last few gym leaders and finish off the Elite Four.

I'm glad the preorder bonus is oh so unimpressive. I can give it a pass until Black Friday or later. Still want to do this, just because of how much I loved B/W compared to any other game other than HG/SS.

There is nothing I can do about it. Ever since the first game, each new one really is the same thing over and over again, but I am addicted. This is compounded by the fact that I have no new 3DS game to play instead. Here we go again...

DustlessDragoon:
Black and White are still the only generation I haven't finished but I may give it another go with this.

Same here.

I didn't have it in me to finish the White. I just didn't like any of the new Pokemon desgins (except Snivy, Roggenrola, and Emolga. Those guys were boss) and I felt like the battles felt a little same-y after a while.

But I will not say that it was terrible. I liked the story and walking to the Elite 4 on Victory Road was epic. I really loved how all of the music layered.

Anyway, I can't wait to pick this one up. Battling all of the past gym leaders and champions will be a good challenge. :D

indentured servitude away. what the theme song should have been:
I wanna be the very best
like no one ever was
to enslave them is my real test
to own them is my cause

I will travel across the land
searching far, and wide
each pokemon to do the work
the power I control
...

I think this is a lot more accurate.
captcha: dog's dinner. oh ownership.

I'm glad to see they are starting to make use of the systems graphical capabilities, aside from Stadium etc is this the first main Pokemon game to have 3d graphics in it? I'm curious, I don't play them but I used to, from red up to silver.

Black and White were the first game that I played competitively. And mastered. So I am so psyched for Black 2! FINALLY I CAN CATCH AN EEVEE AND GROWLITHE!!!! Woo!

It baffles me that people actually review the main pokemon games which remain unchanged from pretty much gold/silver onwards (except for recolouring... everything D: )
Nothing has changed and I can already forsee the "innovation" of the next pokemon game (aside from another 100ish of them pokemans):

QUADRUPLE BATTLES (quintuple if they're feeling generous)

*sigh*

Hey, capcom, gamefreaks, you're so hot on cross-overs nowadays. How about a monster hunter/pokemon game? I long for hunting down a herd of zebstrika and blitzle while actually riding on my muthafucking arcanine or actually explore a mind-blowing distortion world.

You know what I would like? A pokémon game that just doesn't follow suit. One like a tale of shin megami tensei, but with a happier start, a middle and then an end. And the gym leaders would be optional except for the first one. The badges give interesting benefits, but would discard the whole 'pokémon will keep disobeying you if you don't have this badge.'

That is wishful thinking though. And I do agree, whenever I felt I wanted to train pokémon, well I would buy a pokémon. However, I'll probably be waiting for the next gen to come out and pass on this gen. I've got enough games to finish as it is.

TJC:
It baffles me that people actually review the main pokemon games which remain unchanged from pretty much gold/silver onwards (except for recolouring... everything D: )
Nothing has changed and I can already forsee the "innovation" of the next pokemon game (aside from another 100ish of them pokemans):

QUADRUPLE BATTLES (quintuple if they're feeling generous)

*sigh*

Hey, capcom, gamefreaks, you're so hot on cross-overs nowadays. How about a monster hunter/pokemon game? I long for hunting down a herd of zebstrika and blitzle while actually riding on my muthafucking arcanine or actually explore a mind-blowing distortion world.

"Nothing changes...ever"

This comment is invalid when a new Madden is released. It is invalid when a new CoD or Halo or FF is released. It is invalid when a new Pokemon is released. A lot of stuff is changed, but if you only look at the superficial, you won't see it.

OT: Like the games, don't own a DS, so...

NameIsRobertPaulson:

TJC:
It baffles me that people actually review the main pokemon games which remain unchanged from pretty much gold/silver onwards (except for recolouring... everything D: )
Nothing has changed and I can already forsee the "innovation" of the next pokemon game (aside from another 100ish of them pokemans):

QUADRUPLE BATTLES (quintuple if they're feeling generous)

*sigh*

Hey, capcom, gamefreaks, you're so hot on cross-overs nowadays. How about a monster hunter/pokemon game? I long for hunting down a herd of zebstrika and blitzle while actually riding on my muthafucking arcanine or actually explore a mind-blowing distortion world.

"Nothing changes...ever"

This comment is invalid when a new Madden is released. It is invalid when a new CoD or Halo or FF is released. It is invalid when a new Pokemon is released. A lot of stuff is changed, but if you only look at the superficial, you won't see it.

OT: Like the games, don't own a DS, so...

Actually Halo changes, its quite the stereo type that Halo 3 is the exact same as Halo: Reach.....

Pokemon is no exception, it changes enough to be different from its predecessors, yes you have the same gameplay and usage but it changes enough to feel and flow totally different.

So basically its a GOTY edition. i would think about it if i had a 3DS.

karloss01:
So basically its a GOTY edition. i would think about it if i had a 3DS.

It's for the DS so you can still play. I dont think enough 3DS have sold yet for Nintendo to risk a 3DS only Pokemon game.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

TJC:
It baffles me that people actually review the main pokemon games which remain unchanged from pretty much gold/silver onwards (except for recolouring... everything D: )
Nothing has changed and I can already forsee the "innovation" of the next pokemon game (aside from another 100ish of them pokemans):

QUADRUPLE BATTLES (quintuple if they're feeling generous)

*sigh*

Hey, capcom, gamefreaks, you're so hot on cross-overs nowadays. How about a monster hunter/pokemon game? I long for hunting down a herd of zebstrika and blitzle while actually riding on my muthafucking arcanine or actually explore a mind-blowing distortion world.

"Nothing changes...ever"

This comment is invalid when a new Madden is released. It is invalid when a new CoD or Halo or FF is released. It is invalid when a new Pokemon is released. A lot of stuff is changed, but if you only look at the superficial, you won't see it.

OT: Like the games, don't own a DS, so...

Oh yes, the introduction of EVs and IVs, egg-moves, breeding, natures etc added a lot to promote a pretty decent competitive experience and I do think that gamefreaks will continue to hone and build that background to give more to players who want more out of the games. The overworld and dungeons are vastly different and there are new monsters that freshen up my teams. also, there's always some sort of other competition or play or thing going on but I could never give enough of crap because I was a manly man and manly man's pokemon need to BATTLE!

Still, the comparisons don't really hold. CoD and especially FF always had new things to offer that were new for both fans of the series and newcomer. And I see that kids who never played a pokemon game before won't have any of these issues I have. But after 6 games (blue, silver, emerald, diamond, heartgold and white) is it asking for much to avoid some of the cookiecutter things? Like not being a 10-year-old boy (or GIRL) out to become Pokemon Master by beating progressively stronger gymleaders and eventually the best four trainers plus master while beating one or two ominous teams with a hidden/evil agenda on the way.

They don't even have to deviate from the "collect 8 MacGuffins to unlock boss rush" formula. Instead of badges make it elemental stones required to save the world or something. And you have to fight your rival for possession of these again and again because he beat you to the chase or something. ANYTHING, really to make the experience feel new again.

The Knightly Gamer:

karloss01:
So basically its a GOTY edition. i would think about it if i had a 3DS.

It's for the DS so you can still play. I dont think enough 3DS have sold yet for Nintendo to risk a 3DS only Pokemon game.

Really? oh i'll consider it then.

To be honest, I find the combat in Pokemon very slow and very dated, it's slow, even for a turn-based game. I keep trying to force myself to play Black...but I would like to try this...but I will wait.

Of all of the things I'm looking forward to in these games, the music is amongst the top of the list. GameFreak outdid themselves with the music they put together.

Not to mention with the Pokemon World Tournament, you can face off against all of your favorite Gym Leaders and Champions from the past. I am SO looking forward to kicking Cynthia's arse all over the place...again.

I'll get it, cause god damn, fuck you statistics! You drive me to battle! ...EV and IV *shudder*

But one thing, I want my leading pokemon to follow me around like in heartgold/soulsilver/Yellow

Nintendo; why isn't that a staple of the franchise yet!?!

My Gardevoir should not be confined to a damn pokeball

Neither should my Ponyta

This game is getting criticized on other sites for being the same as the 1st Black and white. Not that it matters IMO you just use Water on Fire, Fire on Grass and Grass on Water and call it strategy. Sorry but Rock, Paper, Scissors strategy is not hard to master unless you're 12 or touched in the head. Using whatever the other person is weak against isn't hard to figure out.

Heh, yeah, I've stopped playing part 1 at the Elite Four. I'd have to really grind, grind, grind to get powerful enough to defeat them and I'm just not interested right now.
I seriously doubt I'll buy any of these new ones, unless they release a "Grey Edition" with parts 1 and 2 meshed together or something (maybe along the lines that you could go back to the original games' map in Silver and Gold).
Has there ever been a game where you could get all Pokemon on your own, by the way? I have zero interest in trading, conventions or whatever. I'm an old dude by now.

disgruntledgamer:
Sorry but Rack, Paper, Scissors strategy is not hard to master unless you're 12 or touched in the head.

Hm, a big rack could surely knock me out as well. What Pokemon-type would that make me I wonder?

CrazyCapnMorgan:
Of all of the things I'm looking forward to in these games, the music is amongst the top of the list. GameFreak outdid themselves with the music they put together.

Not to mention with the Pokemon World Tournament, you can face off against all of your favorite Gym Leaders and Champions from the past. I am SO looking forward to kicking Cynthia's arse all over the place...again.

Totally agree with that.

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If I ever reviewed new main franchise Pokemon games, I would never mark off for similarity in formula(Battle system, gym battling to get to the top, parts of story style). The formula is pretty much perfect. All I've ever cared about is new events and things to do, and I can see that B&W2 gives that, plus even new places to go on the same map. The people wanting change and different kinds of games, that is what the Pokemon side franchise games are for.

The only big change lately that Game Freak has made to the main franchise was in the first B&W with TMs now being infinite use, which really was the last needed change for the formula.

Heck, I wouldn't even take off for Game Freak using the same Pokemon sprites from B&W into this sequel, since this isn't a generation changing game, so there really isn't a need to do all the work to change the sprites now, when it will happen with the actual next generation(most likely on the 3DS).

I would most likely give B&W2 a four out of five. One off only because there isn't a new generation wow factor. No reason to take any more off than necessary.

I will still be getting it because god damn I'm a pokemon addict. I have to have all the pokemon games! Have to play and enjoy them all, have to enjoy all the amazing music in the games, all the wonderful and weird and silly pokemon. B&W2 sounds really good. I want it now!

CrazyCapnMorgan:
Of all of the things I'm looking forward to in these games, the music is amongst the top of the list. GameFreak outdid themselves with the music they put together.

Not to mention with the Pokemon World Tournament, you can face off against all of your favorite Gym Leaders and Champions from the past. I am SO looking forward to kicking Cynthia's arse all over the place...again.

I agree, the remixed themes are awesome.

It is a shame they didn't include the e4 from all the gens too.

You can trade with the 4th gen games as well? o.O not just sending Pokemon over, but actually...Trade?

FUCKING STOKED! finally i can send Pokemon from Gen 4 and send them back if i want to! i have wanted to do that since Gen 3!

Sargent Hoofbeat:
I'll get it, cause god damn, fuck you statistics! You drive me to battle! ...EV and IV *shudder*

But one thing, I want my leading pokemon to follow me around like in heartgold/soulsilver/Yellow

Nintendo; why isn't that a staple of the franchise yet!?!

My Gardevoir should not be confined to a damn pokeball

Neither should my Ponyta

Agreed, even if it is only the starter Pokemon that can follow you, it should be kept that way!

It's one of the main reasons i keep going back to SS.

disgruntledgamer:
This game is getting criticized on other sites for being the same as the 1st Black and white. Not that it matters IMO you just use Water on Fire, Fire on Grass and Grass on Water and call it strategy. Sorry but Rack, Paper, Scissors strategy is not hard to master unless you're 12 or touched in the head. Using whatever the other person is weak against isn't hard to figure out.

But that isn't just it, Quilava can learn Wild Charge by TM which is an Electric move, so if you are battling a guy with a Wartortle, and your Quilava is quicker, it can potentially K.O that Wartortle or at least do a lot of damage, where as normally a Quilava wouldn't be any match.

You can confine your Fire types to just fire moves, or your psychic to just psychic moves, but if you do that your missing the point entirely.

It is possible to teach your Pokemon moves to counter it's weakness's and don't forget that, it really isn't as simple as you think.

I've been playing the Pokemon games starting from Blue, Gold, Sapphire, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold, and White. In all those iterations, the core gameplay has changed very little. What has changed is the subtle, behind-the-wall, things such as EVs/IVs and the Meta-gameplay. For the Meta alone am I excited for these new ones as well. All they would need to make this perfect, in my eyes, would be to bring back the Battle Arcade from Heart Gold/Soul Silver (I was a big fan of the Battle Factory and "renting" 'Mons to use for battling).

As an added benefit, I am now 32 and my daughter will be turning 9 in Dec. She learned how to read thanks to playing an old copy of Fire Red that we had around the house. This is yet another reason why any Pokemon game is "serious business" around my house. Having two copies makes it that much easier to "Catch Them All."

--Captcha--
"It's Super Delicious"

disgruntledgamer:
This game is getting criticized on other sites for being the same as the 1st Black and white. Not that it matters IMO you just use Water on Fire, Fire on Grass and Grass on Water and call it strategy. Sorry but Rack, Paper, Scissors strategy is not hard to master unless you're 12 or touched in the head. Using whatever the other person is weak against isn't hard to figure out.

But you get a strategy when you can choose from a giant roster of Pokes, all with different combinations of types (electro/bug, fire/fight, fire/bug and so on), all with several possible movesets and different stat and EV spreads (aka different speed, attack strength, defensive strength) and items. If you have to build a team of 6 where each one has to hold a purpose and you have to be able to be able to beat all kind of builds you build yourself up a strategy.

There is so much more to this game than just "rock, paper, scissors".

I'm not going to get either of them. They look too similar to the first two for my likings. And seeing how I didn't care much for the 5th gen. games much that's no surprise.

TheKasp:

disgruntledgamer:
This game is getting criticized on other sites for being the same as the 1st Black and white. Not that it matters IMO you just use Water on Fire, Fire on Grass and Grass on Water and call it strategy. Sorry but Rack, Paper, Scissors strategy is not hard to master unless you're 12 or touched in the head. Using whatever the other person is weak against isn't hard to figure out.

But you get a strategy when you can choose from a giant roster of Pokes, all with different combinations of types (electro/bug, fire/fight, fire/bug and so on), all with several possible movesets and different stat and EV spreads (aka different speed, attack strength, defensive strength) and items. If you have to build a team of 6 where each one has to hold a purpose and you have to be able to be able to beat all kind of builds you build yourself up a strategy.

There is so much more to this game than just "rock, paper, scissors".

Stopped playing Pokemon after Gen 4 since I felt that repetition bug kick in. But I seriously think that arguments defending the depth to the strategy are bogus, because I got through just fine on Platinum, beating every trainer, the Elite 4, the Champion, and the Battle Frontier with only 6 mons that I slapped together with little thought on strategy and none for EV/IV training, all with damage based moves. And I will say that the effort even then wasn't worth it. Yeah I know there's online battle where that stuff is necessary but what's the point? To beat the part of the game that matters, that "Rock, Paper, Scissors" strategy is all you need. The depth is there, I won't deny it, but it's largely unnecessary for the core game.

Personally, I find the battle system to be dull ,lifeless, and outdated. And there's just no point for me to invest enough time to create "proper" team builds for online battle when there is no foreseeable reward for it. To me, Pokemon is just a pointless grind-feast with anemic personality and charm. There is no point to it and if there is one, I don't see it and it's definitely not worth it.

In other words, I'll be avoiding this one as I did it's predecessor.

TheKasp:

disgruntledgamer:
This game is getting criticized on other sites for being the same as the 1st Black and white. Not that it matters IMO you just use Water on Fire, Fire on Grass and Grass on Water and call it strategy. Sorry but Rack, Paper, Scissors strategy is not hard to master unless you're 12 or touched in the head. Using whatever the other person is weak against isn't hard to figure out.

But you get a strategy when you can choose from a giant roster of Pokes, all with different combinations of types (electro/bug, fire/fight, fire/bug and so on), all with several possible movesets and different stat and EV spreads (aka different speed, attack strength, defensive strength) and items. If you have to build a team of 6 where each one has to hold a purpose and you have to be able to be able to beat all kind of builds you build yourself up a strategy.

There is so much more to this game than just "rock, paper, scissors".

Nope sorry you're wrong even when you pick your roster your still using the same Rock, Paper, Scissors strategy, your just hoping yours matches his nicely which is luck, yes you could play it safe and pick a broad roster but it still boils down to using whatever the other person is weak against which is the simplest type of strategy to the point where most wouldn't even consider it strategy.

I wasn't excited for this and pretty much seemes like I was right not to be. Though to be fair I don't liek it because it feels too much like nintendo and gf are just caving in to fan whining that they didn't like the idea of starting fresh. And it feels llike they made it too easily and added unecessary gym leaders.

arc1991:

Sargent Hoofbeat:
I'll get it, cause god damn, fuck you statistics! You drive me to battle! ...EV and IV *shudder*

But one thing, I want my leading pokemon to follow me around like in heartgold/soulsilver/Yellow

Nintendo; why isn't that a staple of the franchise yet!?!

My Gardevoir should not be confined to a damn pokeball

Neither should my Ponyta

Agreed, even if it is only the starter Pokemon that can follow you, it should be kept that way!

It's one of the main reasons i keep going back to SS.

... Who the fack wants a samurott following them around everywhere? gen 5 starters suck dick man.

I want my Gardevoir, Rapidash (Twilight) or Zebrastrika (Zecora) to follow me everywhere

Anything less will incur all of my fan boy rage... and based on the fandoms I'm in I apparantly have a lot

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