The Uncertain Future

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Lilani:
I think I'll definitely see Iron Man 3 in the theater, won't be hard to get friends to see that one, and I'll see Pacific Rim on my own if I have to. If only for the fact that Del Toro actually talked to Valve and got their permission to use Ellen McLain to do a GLaDOS cameo as the voice of the computers that run the big robots.

That is sick, I knew that was her voice but I didn't know he went out of his way to find her.

Silverback91:

Eh, still VERY evangelion. Just with less whinging, wanking, and mindfuckery.... i hope.

No, it's not. Not even close. Evangelion was a deconstruction of the tropes of the giant robot genre. This is playing most of them completely straight(which isn't a bad thing).

This is like saying Cabin in the Woods is like Friday the 13th.

PunkRex:

MovieBob:
(i.e. there's no built-in "franchise" audience here)

Hang on a sec Bob, isn't this the Monsterpocalypse movie? I know Monsterpocalypse doesn't have that big a fan base but it is there. Not to mention this seems like the sort of thing Comicon goes mad for.

Bob said FRANCHISE, not GENRE. Pacific Rim is not an adaptation of previously existing material.

daibakuha:

Silverback91:

Eh, still VERY evangelion. Just with less whinging, wanking, and mindfuckery.... i hope.

No, it's not. Not even close. Evangelion was a deconstruction of the tropes of the giant robot genre. This is playing most of them completely straight(which isn't a bad thing).

This is like saying Cabin in the Woods is like Friday the 13th.

You know, i would be more inclined to agree, if the tagline for the file was not "To fight monsters, we created monsters." That line is very reminiscent of some of the themes of Evangelion before the end where..... well.... Shit got weird. If they dive more into that it will be a lot closer to Eva than the trailers may make it seem. And if they include really creative monster fights and a good group dynamic then it will be very reminiscent of episodes about 4-20... or, imo, pretty much when the series was good.

Silverback91:

daibakuha:

Silverback91:

Eh, still VERY evangelion. Just with less whinging, wanking, and mindfuckery.... i hope.

No, it's not. Not even close. Evangelion was a deconstruction of the tropes of the giant robot genre. This is playing most of them completely straight(which isn't a bad thing).

This is like saying Cabin in the Woods is like Friday the 13th.

You know, i would be more inclined to agree, if the tagline for the file was not "To fight monsters, we created monsters." That line is very reminiscent of some of the themes of Evangelion before the end where..... well.... Shit got weird. If they dive more into that it will be a lot closer to Eva than the trailers may make it seem. And if they include really creative monster fights and a good group dynamic then it will be very reminiscent of episodes about 4-20... or, imo, pretty much when the series was good.

You seem to be conflating theme with plot. Eva and pacific Rim have about as much in common as Eva and any other giant Mecha show. You seem to base this observation on the tagline and what might happen in the movie, have you read the film's synopsis? Because it doesn't sound like Evangelion:

"Giant monsters identified as "Kaiju" arise from a crevice in the Pacific Ocean, resulting in a war which takes millions of lives and quickly consumes humanity's resources. To combat this new threat, a special type of weapon is designed: massive robots, known as Jaegers, which are controlled simultaneously by two pilots whose minds are locked in a neural bridge. As time passes, even the powerful Jaegers prove almost defenseless in the face of a relentless enemy. On its last stand and on the verge of defeat, the remaining defending forces of mankind have no choice but to turn to two unlikely heroes - a former pilot (Charlie Hunnam) and an untested trainee (Rinko Kikuchi) - who are teamed to drive a legendary but seemingly obsolete Jaeger from the early trials of the mechanical titans. Together, they must stand as the human race's last hope against the mounting apocalypse." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Rim_(film)#Plot)

This is pretty standard mecha fare.

If Pacific Rim makes more people interested in eastern-inspired mecha stories then I'd consider a good thing.

Gorfias:

WanderingFool:

newwiseman:
Pacific Rim just sounds like the plot to Evangelion...

I think it basically is... only with 99.9% less mind fuckery.

Which I think stands as a plus.

This is the only one of Bob's that will actually surprise me if it DOESN"T bomb. This guy has only really blown my mind once: "Pan's Labyrinth".

That movie about luck was really good.

daibakuha:

PunkRex:

MovieBob:
(i.e. there's no built-in "franchise" audience here)

Hang on a sec Bob, isn't this the Monsterpocalypse movie? I know Monsterpocalypse doesn't have that big a fan base but it is there. Not to mention this seems like the sort of thing Comicon goes mad for.

Bob said FRANCHISE, not GENRE. Pacific Rim is not an adaptation of previously existing material.

Monsterpocalypse is a francise:
http://www.monsterpocalypse.com/
I even heard Del Toro was doing it so im fairly sure this is it.

I would say most of these are a safe bet, in the sense that they'll be profitable anyways. Except perhaps GI Joe. I for one also enjoyed the first.

G.I. Joe? Didn't see the first one, so I most likely won't be going to this one. Unless I see 1 between now and the release of 2, and really really enjoy it, it'll fly right below my radar.

Iron Man? Oh please, it's Iron Man. Even if it's not that critically successful, most of the people who went to see The Avengers (and that's a buttload of people) will go and see it.

Superman? I think it'll be a slow starter. The diehard fans will see it, and if it's good attendance will go up after that.

Pacific Rim? Giant robots, giant monsters, Idris Elba, Ron Perlman, Charlie Day? I can't see this movie soon enough!

PunkRex:

daibakuha:

PunkRex:

Hang on a sec Bob, isn't this the Monsterpocalypse movie? I know Monsterpocalypse doesn't have that big a fan base but it is there. Not to mention this seems like the sort of thing Comicon goes mad for.

Bob said FRANCHISE, not GENRE. Pacific Rim is not an adaptation of previously existing material.

Monsterpocalypse is a francise:
http://www.monsterpocalypse.com/
I even heard Del Toro was doing it so im fairly sure this is it.

It most certainly isn't that.

daibakuha:

PunkRex:

daibakuha:

Bob said FRANCHISE, not GENRE. Pacific Rim is not an adaptation of previously existing material.

Monsterpocalypse is a francise:
http://www.monsterpocalypse.com/
I even heard Del Toro was doing it so im fairly sure this is it.

It most certainly isn't that.

I guess they were just rumors, thats a shame.

While far from perfect, (short final battles), I think that Bob is far too harsh on the Iron Man series. They're good films. Actually, they're great films.

I can't see Pacific Rim doing much more than break even. Giant robots fight aliens? That's niche, and even the mainstream Transformers movies only really made money from super fanboys at first, and subsequently the kids who liked the toys. Plus, it's hard to suspend disbelief about giant robots in an apocalyptic future. The only genre that can pull it off is anime, because they mix in a ton of politics, and have a far longer running time to explain themselves. Sorry, but I can't see it being any good, regardless of who directs it.

And Warner Bros strikes again with Superman. I can almost see the board meeting now: "Batman was dark and successful. Green Lantern was bright and flopped. Let's make Superman even darker, and get that chappy who worked on Batman to help out". There seems to be little and less regard for the source material, which is a shame - you'll notice that each of the Marvel Studios films have been catered to the character and original books to almost insane lengths... and the proof is in the pudding. Man of Steel trailer is terrible, and while that doesn't write it off as a film, it certainly is a bad start.

I think there is a pre-existing niche for Pacific Rim in the, admittedly quite small, Kaiju film and Giant Robot Show fandom (The two, not surprsingly, overlap a fair bit and the content itself is by no means mutually exclusive).

You could also arguably include the Transformers films success as hope that people will go to see this film. I wouldn't be surprised if this was how the film was pitched originally to executives (Transformers with Monsters) and it's not too far-fetched for people who went to see that film to go to this one because 'Hey, it's got robots in it, man'.

Of course a big part of it is how it's going to be marketed. Great films can fall down easily because of the marketing as we've seen before; look at Dredd 3D.

I for one am very excited. I think this is the first time piloted giant robots have been given a proper Hollywood treatment.

The admittedly flawed, but still fun Italian Robot Jox and its spiritual sequels being really the only time I can think of that we got that sort of thing in live action and in the West, with District 9, the Matrix sequels and Avatar having mechs, but not really focusing on them.

I have nothing to worry about regarding Iron Man 3 or Man of Steel. Iron Man will probably run off the leftover goodwill from The Avengers, and we got his nemesis The Mandarin now! To me, Man of Steel is not darker and grittier, but a more grounded and relatable story of Superman. And Zack Snyder can make great movies if he's on a long-enough leash, which Chris Nolan is holding now.

That was a great point raised by the Iron Man movie. I for one am interested in seeing what they do next now that everyone jumps back to their solo roles. I don't think, however, that the same amount of people will watch these solo movies as did The Avengers. Not only was The Avengers a big deal to comic book fans, it became a Summer Blockbuster which is viewed by people just looking for a good action flick. It will be interesting to see if Iron Man 3 does as well, or better than past movies in the series.

Dear god I want Pacific Rim to be good. I'll certainly be there first weekend, anyway.

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