Zero Punctuation: Silent Hill Origins

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I kinda hated the protagonist in SH3. Granted I never played that far, but I figured she wanted to die, so who am I to stand in her way?
"This van is blocking my way out. God forbid I climb over it."
"Those boxes look heavy. And obviously getting raped killed and eaten (not necesarily in that order) by sins against nature is a much better alternative to shoving some boxes off a crate."
Not to mention she unloads an entire fucking clip into the easiest monster type of all those I encountered. It's like the only one you can use the knife on without getting hit for christs sake. Which I suppose is less of an issue in easy mode where they're like
"-have some more ammo
-Uh, my inventory's full
-Well then have some more inventory"
But I was playing on hard I believe, so it was more like
"-Can I have, like, a stick at least?
-Fuck off"
Finally I'll close with an actual line of text from the game which is probably a large part of why I can't take it seriously
"This is a fire door. It doesn't lead anywhere."

hex1:
I don't know how you can diss Zim forums looking at your recent standards of writing. I mean come on, your humour's gone to hell, every other word is fag, shit, arse or cock. You spent too much time in America. Have a look at some of the old stuff on your site, or even the first two or so videos here. By comparison the recent stuff is pathetic. You can do better and I'd love to see it.

Very few people can consistently write reveiws of games that tend to be unique only in the manner in which they suck.

Um, let's see... *random criticism of reviews and how they suck* *offer to bear your children* *expression of undying love* etc, etc.

Eh, makes me laugh every week.

Anyway, I'd be thrilled if they decided simply to remake the older games to bloody well work better. I have never played more than a few minutes of the first and second Silent Hill games... which didn't really give me enough heart to go on. The camera and controls are frustrating to no end. If they remade them with updated graphics, better controls, and a better camera... that would be just ducky.

I know you don't like remakes, but that was Laura bloody Croft and this is something that could actually benefit from a remake. It'd bring Silent Hill to a new generation, so to speak.

Or to people like me, who didn't have the right system when the older ones came out and who can't adjust to the "What the hell is wrong with the mechanics here!?" curve.

I kind of want them to remake the first Silent Hill, (just to update the graphics a little even though I still want to have grotesque pixelated sex with it) but I am afraid they're going to leave that to American companies who have no idea what the fuck they're doing... and then before you know it there is a worldwide mass suicide of fanatics thus rendering all intelligent life forms extinct.
And whoever said that "pre Kid-A" Radiohead sucked then may God have mercy on your drooling, fat and retarded soul.

"R.I.P. Silent Hill."

I know that this is going to get me flack, but I have this discussion every time SH comes up. (I never played 4, so I'm not sure if this applies).

I understand the desire to have fear in a game, and that being Trenchcoat McBadass is going to detract from gameplay. I understand the need for 'normal' characters that are unable to simply wade through the remains of their slain enemies. But it seems that people want this taken too far, to the point where if the character has an idea what his/her arms are for, suddenly they are too combat capable and the game is no fun. SH goes beyond 'normal' and strays into an area where you wonder how difficult it might be for the character to eat with kitchen utensils. The combat system in SH made me think of trying to survive a scary situation as a paraplegic with down's syndrome. There's better ways of making a game hard than making a character suck miserably at life. Want that feeling of helplessness? Make the monsters more invincible or something. There's something sad about knowing that despite one's pasty flabbiness, one can still outperform the protagonist in basic physical tasks, to say nothing of combat. Once again, I'm not saying James Bond or Arnold Schwarzenegger need to be running around Silent Hill. I must also emphasize that the story more than makes up for it to the point where it is a better game than most that don't have this problem, and that I love the series (that I have played) to death. Just stop making excuses for the combat.

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GloatingSwine:
[quote=Khakidoo]Haven't played Silent Hill in ages,...

That only applies to the movie. The town in the game isn't based on a single place, it's an amalgam of all the small towns in which horrific things happen in all the books of American horror authors.

Well, I'll be darned. I am apparently both pitifully out of touch with popular culture and semi-illiterate. I had no idea there was a Silent Hill Movie, even though right there in the wiki it says film. The shame... it burns...

I keep hearing that Pyrimid head rapes deamons and the likes. This game sounds quite morbid.

"Press X to Nurby Durby Durr". That gave me a few laughs throughout the rest of the review.

Demon Sultan:
I understand the desire to have fear in a game, and that being Trenchcoat McBadass is going to detract from gameplay. I understand the need for 'normal' characters that are unable to simply wade through the remains of their slain enemies. But it seems that people want this taken too far, to the point where if the character has an idea what his/her arms are for, suddenly they are too combat capable and the game is no fun. SH goes beyond 'normal' and strays into an area where you wonder how difficult it might be for the character to eat with kitchen utensils. The combat system in SH made me think of trying to survive a scary situation as a paraplegic with down's syndrome. There's better ways of making a game hard than making a character suck miserably at life. Want that feeling of helplessness? Make the monsters more invincible or something. There's something sad about knowing that despite one's pasty flabbiness, one can still outperform the protagonist in basic physical tasks, to say nothing of combat. Once again, I'm not saying James Bond or Arnold Schwarzenegger need to be running around Silent Hill. I must also emphasize that the story more than makes up for it to the point where it is a better game than most that don't have this problem, and that I love the series (that I have played) to death. Just stop making excuses for the combat.

That's why I brought up the idea for having SH4 do away with all combat and just make it a Myst-style point-and-click discovery game.
In the Myst games, the protagonist has no combat skills, because he is an everyman, but it works because those games don't focus on killing baddies. Do the Myst games need baddies to make them interesting and atmospheric? No they do not. I think the SH games, SH4 in particular because of its unique story, could have compounded on that excellently by doing away with all combat and having it be all about the story.

yes. yes yes yes. yahtzee, you've made my day.

ladypyramidhead:
And whoever said that "pre Kid-A" Radiohead sucked then may God have mercy on your drooling, fat and retarded soul.

I just had a word with him. He says you and the rest of the emos can go first. Call it natural selection. Hell, I'll be sure to mention you all at the next Darwin Awards. :P

RPJesus:
I kinda hated the protagonist in SH3. Granted I never played that far, but I figured she wanted to die, so who am I to stand in her way?

Be honest, you're a chauvinist.

Anyway, Silent Hill 3 had a magnificently creepy moment near the end of the game, which I believe took place in the hospital? This is a minor spoiler if you haven't completed it: when entering one of the toilets (the room, not the cubicles), the door would lock behind you. Gradually the screen would erode, your vision becomes blurred, and everything around you gets covered with "noise". A dark red crawls along, staining the walls and floors. It moves towards you and eventually "grows" all over you, depleting your health. By this time you can run out the door again, and it's all a bit pointless. But completely, and utterly chilling.

It seemed that Silent Hill 4 would be full of little moments like this, but I just stopped playing after a few hours because I'd suddenly decided I just could not find any enjoyment in the combat any more. Interest killed completely. Shame, I'm sure I missed out on some more moments like the one above.

hex1:
I don't know how you can diss Zim forums looking at your recent standards of writing. I mean come on, your humour's gone to hell, every other word is fag, shit, arse or cock. You spent too much time in America. Have a look at some of the old stuff on your site, or even the first two or so videos here. By comparison the recent stuff is pathetic. You can do better and I'd love to see it.

Whoo! Good one! Keep up the funny.

I always loved the silent hill series and I wanted to play origins just because I'm a rabid fan. But I don't have a PSP so I borrowed my friend's game in hopes that some dude would throw me a PSP but that hasn't happened yet. From the sound of it the game would only be good if you are a fan. Also hoping SH5 doesn't fail. There's also the house-of-the-dead spinoff I wanna try for the same rabid-fan reason. awesome review!

Before you eat your own arse, please review Call of duty 4!

Well, I haven't played any of the Silent Hill games yet this made me laugh... especially yhe press pause dig and the deleting bit at the end... Yes, I pause a lot while watching Yahtzee...

hex1:
I don't know how you can diss Zim forums looking at your recent standards of writing. I mean come on, your humour's gone to hell, every other word is fag, shit, arse or cock. You spent too much time in America. Have a look at some of the old stuff on your site, or even the first two or so videos here. By comparison the recent stuff is pathetic. You can do better and I'd love to see it.

Honestly, I really can't say the older videos contain any less cursing, or anything much different from the recent reviews. The difference I noticed was the sound quality. Granted, this review isn't as good as any of the stuff before it.

The Summon Night series has the best weapon degradation ever, you're weapons' durabilities go back to full in between battles and breaking enimies' weapons is a good way to defeat them, if you defeat them using this tactic you can then get their weapon.

Ok..Yahtzee, but did you like the game? LOL Can't wait for your review on CoD4. Love your work!

Exodus74:
Ok..Yahtzee, but did you like the game? LOL Can't wait for your review on CoD4. Love your work!

If you listen to what he says your answer shall be receved. You don't have to actually say "I like this game," or, "I dilike this game," to actually say those things.

PurpleRain:

Exodus74:
Ok..Yahtzee, but did you like the game? LOL Can't wait for your review on CoD4. Love your work!

If you listen to what he says your answer shall be receved. You don't have to actually say "I like this game," or, "I dilike this game," to actually say those things.

I think you missed the sarcasm.

Er... didn't Silent Hill 2 take place in Silent Hill still? SH4 was the one that didn't take place in that town.

Carol Pentalentathon:

hex1:
I don't know how you can diss Zim forums looking at your recent standards of writing. I mean come on, your humour's gone to hell, every other word is fag, shit, arse or cock. You spent too much time in America. Have a look at some of the old stuff on your site, or even the first two or so videos here. By comparison the recent stuff is pathetic. You can do better and I'd love to see it.

Honestly, I really can't say the older videos contain any less cursing, or anything much different from the recent reviews. The difference I noticed was the sound quality. Granted, this review isn't as good as any of the stuff before it.

I wasn't complaining about the swearing, couldn't care less (although fag is fast becoming a no-no word even in risqué circles), I was complaining that they seem to have replaced most of the comedy. His humour is now mainly shit-based with a generous littering of swearing. Not a very original, funny or exciting combination.

And I get the feeling I'm missing something in Dr. Whiggs's post... :)

Long time listener, first time caller...(Radio still rocks)

Anyway...

Yes... you know what is so amazing about Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw. He posts the links to his video's on this forum, and then all the fans of his reviews flock in to give there opinion (Much like I am now) They sit, I'm guessing, for a good hour, composing these well thought out and constructed posts, and for what. Where is this Yhatzee! Where is the man behind the animation!

Does no one else find it odd that he lacks forums responses >.>

Oh it could be that he has an over whelming god complex, and would be damned to heed the words of his lesser fans! This I would accept but no! There is more...

His fans come back to the forums, time after time! Back to the very pages he leaves blank! He recently reviewed Silent hill... Some may see this as just a game review...But is it really? Or is it a message for someone willing to find it!...

What does it all mean exactly...

I am not sure...

I'm onto you Ben... I'll be waiting for the next clue...

-Hangs up phone-

"Fill the comments section with ignorance and bile."
-Yahtzee

Honestly, I don't think he likes us none.

Ciarog:
"Fill the comments section with ignorance and bile."
-Yahtzee

Honestly, I don't think he likes us none.

I think he's confused on where to go with his reviews.

He posts a game and gives it nothing but praise, alot of people hate it.

He posts a game and gives it nothing but hate, fanboys flame and whine.

He posts a game with a mix of praise and hate, some people still find ways to bitch.

I've been a Silent Hill fan since I was 4 foot and had acne.
But it all stopped after number three, as it went downhill,
Silent Hill 'You had me at two'...

Hm, not as funny as last week's, but that's probably because I've never played any of the Silent Hill games. This review felt a bit esoteric from where I'm standing... or would be if I had bothered to get off my ass at all since getting home yesterday evening.

But... weapon degradation... oh, man... weapons that are doomed to break because they're, god forbid, being used as weapons? Where are the weapons in these games made, an alley in Hong Kong? I'm playing STALKER right now, and wondering how the guns I find have managed to stay in such good shape until I start using them. The damn SVD says '1993' on it and the game takes place in 2011, am I to believe nobody has used the thing in 18 years despite being in the middle of an apocalyptic third-world wasteland? I wouldn't mind if I could get them repaired, but without that possibility, the concept should earn a swift kick in the butt to any developer who even suggests it. I think something with a sort of arcadey, not-taking-itself-all-that-seriously feeling, like Dead Rising may be an exception, but Silent Hill clearly does not fit that criterion. At all.

Back on topic, though, still a very amusing review which provided the sort of information I have come to expect from Zero Punctuation, and helpful in providing an additional title on the unwritten but lengthy 'list of PSP games which I'm just not gonna bother with'. Well done.

SomeBlackGuy:

Ciarog:
"Fill the comments section with ignorance and bile."
-Yahtzee

Honestly, I don't think he likes us none.

I think he's confused on where to go with his reviews.

He posts a game and gives it nothing but praise, alot of people hate it.

He posts a game and gives it nothing but hate, fanboys flame and whine.

He posts a game with a mix of praise and hate, some people still find ways to bitch.

Doesn't matter, people still sit anxiously on a Wednesday morning waiting for another review. Love him or hate him, they're still not going to stop watching him, and that, as they say, is success. I have to admit though, I don't like many of you either.

p0nda:

SomeBlackGuy:

Ciarog:
"Fill the comments section with ignorance and bile."
-Yahtzee

Honestly, I don't think he likes us none.

I think he's confused on where to go with his reviews.

He posts a game and gives it nothing but praise, alot of people hate it.

He posts a game and gives it nothing but hate, fanboys flame and whine.

He posts a game with a mix of praise and hate, some people still find ways to bitch.

Doesn't matter, people still sit anxiously on a Wednesday morning waiting for another review. Love him or hate him, they're still not going to stop watching him, and that, as they say, is success. I have to admit though, I don't like many of you either.

Here here

Looks like Yahtzee never played Blade Dancer for the PSP. Weapons break down as much as a rapist with Emo issues. And that's the last thing you want to happen in an RPG game.

I know Yahtzee doesn't like the Ultima games, but I absolutely loved Ultimas 6, 7 and the awkwardly named 7 part II. In these games, there is a slight bit of weapon degradation, but only for one weapon in the game, which actually is made of glass. The Glass Sword is the most powerful weapon in the game, and can kill anything with a single blow (provided that it CAN be killed), but to balance out how powerful the sword is, it is only good for one use and then it breaks. I thought it was pretty clever.

Dark Shikari:
There has been a good game with weapon degradation--its called System Shock 2, Yahtzee ;) and I named it before the second was up, too!

Agreed with the rest of the review though.

Aaaaand I named Fire Emblem within the second, though he doesn't really give you even half a second to answer, which is natural. ^__^ It would have seemed like an eternity, just feeling that second dragging by like a crippled snail in contrast to the otherwise speed-ridden mood you get into when listening to him. Or something.

IRT 1:13: Morrowind :D

I felt the game was rather awesome. It was my first Silent Hill game so pretty much every complaint you had was moot as they seemed to rely on other games. Except for the complaint about self-destructing weapons. My reply, Dead Rising. And I named it in less than a second too.

In short, this was the singular most impressive portable game I had ever played.

An amusing one, but I don't entirely agree with some of Yahtzee's statements.
One thing, Travis did have a reason to be in Silent Hill, granted it wasn't as straight forward as getting mail from a dead wife, being the main part of a cult sacrifice, or even trying to find one's daughter, but he had history with the town and had something to overcome to rid himself of guilt. Not only that some digging in the game reveals why that had a cheap Pyramid Head posser, and why he's able to pick up any mundane item and wield it with the veritable skill of a ninja, except for the whole degradation part. Overall not a horrible game, but by no means a fantastic game capable of giving new life to the series. Looking into the pre-game release comments about Travis being mentally disturbed, and one of the endings showing what he was before the game started, ah fantastic garbled audio. Overall a great review though!

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