145: Konnichi wa, Nihon!

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Iv been told stories from "gaijin" on how condescending the japanese can be. I didnt really know first hand until i started playing FF11 online when it first came out in the states. Some japanese can really be A holes.

Good anime; creaazy porn; phenominal food; great hospitality to visitors; dont live there.

Or so i hear.

*Article*

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This is an anime expert. He is made of fail and even more fail. For every 1 person genuinely interested in Japanese culture, history and entertainment, there are at least 10 of these waiting for the newest season of Haruhi to get their rocks off.

wow im gonna see a lot of TL:DR but whatever.

-Rant on-

I think the misunderstanding with this article is the use of the word Otaku and how its meaning in Japan and its meaning in North America are totally different. Otaku is almost a term of endearment now in North American anime circles to be an otaku is something to be proud of, where as in Japan it is a title you really could do without.

If you are honestly taking a course in Japanese just to watch animu you seriously have to get your priorities straight. If animu is your general intrest in Japan then you have really missed the point in learning Japanese. You learn a language to you know, converse with people in said spoken language not so you can watch some spiky haired guy talk to you all day. If you "love" (and i use this term loosely here) Japan you should really learn about the culture. I personally find the culture in itself and customs infinitely more interesting than a television show. Now dont get me wrong i have seen Bleach and Naruto (naruto of which i had no intrest to watch because of the above post *see picture*) but i bet very few of said people in that class have actually seen anything before 1990, Original Gundam anybody? Macross? Astro boy? i could go on but the point is moot. Still its almost like learning Dutch because you like wooden shoes or Italian because you like cars and pizza, its impractical.

As far as Japan being Xenophobic i was there recently within the past two weeks. I was only there for a week but in that time i came to realise that dispite how racist you may say Japan is about keeping a pure Japan, were just as racist. Sure you could argue its not for the exact (when in reality honestly is) same reasons but how many times have i seen someone of ethnic decent that is not "North American" or "White" for that matter being racially slurred and/or beat or killed. It happens everywhere and if you dont think that then really your only lying to yourself. In my personal opinion i found japan to be fairly "western" in relation to what people think. The ammountof how many American and Europeon clothing outlets and food chains i saw there was actually mind boggling. Maybe its because i foreign but as somebody in the thread already said they are fairly if almost completely neutral and as a visitor i found thier attention to detail and over all hospitality quite refreshing compared to where i hail from even McDonalds there was made better, its still a sloppy fall apart Big Mac but for a moment i forgot i was in McDonalds.

This is getting a litte bit long so ill sum it up. Japan has problems just like any other country in the world bad stuff happens everywhere and an ignorance is bliss policy is what most people seem to adopt when faced with issues until media blows thins rediculous proportions and assumptions are made. As well there are many misconceptions you can make about another country without knowing why things are the way they are.

-Rant off-

Carbon016:

doubt i ever will be able to understand Japanese culture or why so many western people are obsessed by it.

Anime has little to nothing to do with Japanese culture. That's as silly as saying American culture is summed up in Ducktales.

isnt american culture summed up by duck tales? it has money worship, a wannabe super hero and delinquant kids

As an admitted otaku, I accept your apology, and thank you for helping to clear the air with the alpha-nerds.

saying it's pretentious for 'sub watchers' to look down on their dub counterparts, however true it may be, is still a little closed minded.
If someone only watches dub, or knows little about japanese culture, they can't really understand just how different watching anime in the original language is.
For starters, those of us who watch anime outside of america, find the added factor of the dubs not only being in english, but with american-english, usually low budget voice actors, quite unbearable.
However, as irritating as that may be, it is the translators that make dubs as bad as they are.
It seems to me, that companies that dub anime try to change it so it is more appealing to the american palette. And by this, i mean make it as similar to the western cartoons they already know and love as possible.
In short, they toss the cultural japanese aspect out the window.
Through changing lines, story aspects, character personalities, removal of japanese references and puns that would be nonsensical in english, and dumbing down japanese jokes so that the average american can understand, changes it from a 'japanese animation' to an 'american animation inspired by a japanese animation'.

I'm glad that the author of this article has opened up to the japanese-loving and otaku subcultures of the western world that are often shunned.
watching 'anime' in dub is fair enough, if you like it then why not watch it. however, when those people then try and say they have an understanding about japanese culture, and try and associate with the otaku subcultures because they watch dubbed anime on adult swim will only end in disappointment.
and i'm sick of being called a 'sub/dub snob' because i refuse to watch most dubbed anime.

Sinharvest:
Iv been told stories from "gaijin" on how condescending the japanese can be. I didnt really know first hand until i started playing FF11 online when it first came out in the states. Some japanese can really be A holes.

Good anime; creaazy porn; phenominal food; great hospitality to visitors; dont live there.

Or so i hear.

i've found quite the opposite, when i was in japan the majority of people were extremely warm and friendly.
playing online probably isn't the best example. i mean...everyone online is an A hole.

Zyrell:
wow im gonna see a lot of TL:DR but whatever.

-Rant on-

I think the misunderstanding with this article is the use of the word Otaku and how its meaning in Japan and its meaning in North America are totally different. Otaku is almost a term of endearment now in North American anime circles to be an otaku is something to be proud of, where as in Japan it is a title you really could do without.

etc.

i can relate to you. and i agree with your argument as being perfectly sound.
It is true that in the western world people interested in anime will beam upon being labelled an otaku. However untrue it may be.
In truth most people who label themselves an otaku, really are not even close. The level obsession in a japanese otaku compared to a western 'otaku' really cannot be compared.

It is also true that the term 'otaku' is anything but praise in japan. I mean, just in the last few years in japan there was a string of otaku murders. and as you say, that isn't a reflection on japanese prejudices, that shit happens in every country.

I use the term 'otaku' when referring to people living in the western world purely for convenience.
even though i am one of the deluded westerners who considers himself one :P

also, i hate naruto :P

*can someone please teach me how to delete double posts?*
:'(

Man you should have stayed in Chinese I Let alone the fact you could have easily jumped to Japanese the majority of it from Chinese you'd have got the hook up of hot chicks!

Nihilism_Is_Bliss:
*can someone please teach me how to delete double posts?*
:'(

Erm, I second this. Is it even possible? I tried looking through forum postings and user guides, but I'm starting to think it's not something a non-mod can do.

moral of the story: lazy college dudes should take chinese lessons to meet MORE cute chicks they can never have in college.

but russian is fine good too.

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