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I find it VERY interesting that Yahtzee called from the get-go that there would be accusations that it would be said of him, "He is not a real reviewer."

Uszi:
I find it VERY interesting that Yahtzee called from the get-go that there would be accusations that it would be said of him, "He is not a real reviewer."

(looks through thread)

Nobody has accused him of not being a real reviewer.

Crushed:

Uszi:
I find it VERY interesting that Yahtzee called from the get-go that there would be accusations that it would be said of him, "He is not a real reviewer."

(looks through thread)

Nobody has accused him of not being a real reviewer.

One more review like that and I just might >_>

Well, reviewing is basically talking about something and maybe even giving it a numericla qualification, so in that sense it IS a review. It did feel a bit more like a rant since not many gameplay elements where talked about. As I understand, Yahtzee was drunk with some other guys from Australian Gamer when they played this game. I think he expected something along the lines of Mario Party?

the_importer:
OK, so if I say that Halo, GTA, Metal Gear Solid and Mass Effect suck because I don't like these genres, then my opinion is a valid one >_> ?

Indigo_Dingo:
No, but if you are automatically biased against said genre then you are not the sort of person who should be reviewing the game, as any review you make will be biased by this.

A biased review is still a review. Yahtzee clearly states his bias and If you don't share said bias then you shouldn't take his opinions seriously.

I like SSBB and I don't care that he dislikes it. I only didn't enjoy this one because it was more of a rant than a review, and I didn't find it as funny as the rest.

stompy:

Edit: Root, I don't think Yahtzee, or anyone for that matter, wants the panties of rabid internet fangirls...

No....nobody....Honest....

Crushed:

Congratulations, you have more than half of the hidden characters unlocked in less than three hours of gameplay.

And have crippling RSI and eyestrain as well I think...

The_root_of_all_evil:

Crushed:

Congratulations, you have more than half of the hidden characters unlocked in less than three hours of gameplay.

And have crippling RSI and eyestrain as well I think...

From three hours of playing a game?

Jeeze, might as well hand in your gamer badge if you can't handle THAT.

Simon_TR:

A biased review is still a review. Yahtzee clearly states his bias and If you don't share said bias then you shouldn't take his opinions seriously.

I like SSBB but I don't care that he dislikes it. I only didn't enjoy this one because it was more of a rant than a review, and I didn't find it as funny as the rest.

From Wiki:

"Consumer review refers to a review written by the owner of a product or the user of a service who has sufficient experience to comment on reliability and whether or not the product or service delivers on its promises.

Expert review usually refers to a review written by someone who has tested several peer products or services to identify which offers the best value for money or the best set of features."

Which ever category Yahtzee falls in, the same principal applies, you need to have experience and knowledge about the things you review. He doesn't know shit about fighting games nor does he like them. Again, this is not about SSBB, it's about the fighting genre in general, I would be posting the same thing if this was a review on VF5 or even a fighting game I don't like such as Soul Calibur.

I haven't seen a thread like this since Charlie Brooker told the world exactly what he thought of Macs.

Barciad:
I haven't seen a thread like this since Charlie Brooker told the world exactly what he thought of Macs.

So all of the 700 Mac users in the world posted :P

J/K, I got nothing against Mac.

the_importer:

Barciad:
I haven't seen a thread like this since Charlie Brooker told the world exactly what he thought of Macs.

So all of the 700 Mac users in the world posted :P

J/K, I got nothing against Mac.

Actually, it was all 857 of them, but close enough.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html
Have a read for yourself. Interestingly enough, I was recommended Yahtzee on the notion that he was very similar to Brooker.

Mindless hate is the same as mindless love. I enjoy watching these videos because they understand this and any good or bad comment about a game is well thought out and backed up. I was dissapointed when i saw this video not because of the cracks at fanboys or the negative review (i've come to expect that) but because too much of the review seemed like it was just Yahtzee being pissed off that he had to review this game instead of reviewing something he really wanted to review and the result was quite a bit of mindless hate. The review just seemed like a long post on one of these threads, either blind love or blind rage. That being said i still nearly pissed myself laughing and i will not stop watching anytime soon.

Barciad:

Actually, it was all 857 of them, but close enough.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html
Have a read for yourself. Interestingly enough, I was recommended Yahtzee on the notion that he was very similar to Brooker.

Worst part is that this article tells the truth about most Mac users I know. Mac users are so defensive and always think that PC users are going to insult them, so they immediately start insulting PCs as soon as they meet you and know that you don't use a Mac.

Seriously, I went to a store to buy a 802.11n adaptor last month and asked about some of the latest PCI-E video cards and the guy automatically said "I'm not too much of an expert on that anymore, I'm using a better computer now, a Mac". All I asked was for him to show me the latest PCI-E cards, I didn't start any Mac Vs PC debates >_>

I think Maddox summed it up quite well last year: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

I wish I would have seen this review before I purchased it. I believed all the hype and haven't touched it after the first 5 minutes.

The Daymonster:
I wish I would have seen this review before I purchased it. I believed all the hype and haven't touched it after the first 5 minutes.

Like any games, if you haven't played the prequels or if you're not into the genre, it's best to rent it first or try it at a friend's house.

Hey Apples:
Dang, I was hoping he'd tell us who the fuck Marth is, because even I don't know.

From some insignificant old series called Fire Emblem, or so I'm told.

He's actually pretty significant in Japan, that's why he was included, as was Lucas, with a big "screw you west" cherry on top.

17 pages on the second day? You people need to f@#king get a grip. Seriously, this video does NOT require this much conversation.

Let's start this off with a qualifier: yes, I'm a hopeless Nintendo fanboy, but I'm man enough to admit it. That being said I found Yahtzee's review to be quite amusing as always. I apologize that people have been hounding you to review this game, it's obviously not your type. But I feel that you were a bit harsh and some of your arguments unfounded. For one, yea it sometimes gets obscure, as in the example of Marth. He's a character from one of the Fire Emblem games that I never played. That's all you really need to know and you can move on from there. You don't need to be 80 years old and own a Game and Watch in order to appreciate most of the references, Smash Bros has only existed since the 64-bit era after all. Waiting in line for this game to release I met a large assortment of people with whom I spent a couple hours talking about Smash Bros. One of them was a kid not much older than seven, another was a man of 30+ wearing a full military uniform. There's only one reason this many different types of people come together, and that's because there is a lot of fun to be had. Somewhere along the line games decided that it was time to straighten up and be serious. Seriously boring. Aim at head, shoot, aim at head, shoot, repeat. I've had enough of that crap, honestly. Brawl, and the Smash Bros series as a whole deliver something entirely new and different, and that's what makes these games great.

Overall I really only have one big disagreement with you over this game. And that's the button-mashing thing. In a decent amount of fighting games it's a rather viable tactic, but Brawl is certainly not one of them. As a matter of fact I had to teach one of my button-mashing friends how to play recently because I was getting rather tired of playing a 10-live game with him and winning with 6 or more of mine still in tact. He picked it up rather quickly actually and now that he uses a little bit of strategy and timing I get much more of a challenge out of him. Getting good, and I mean good enough to be viable against any of your friends, not tournament good, only really takes about two hours (or one drunken night, although I wouldn't recommend this as a game to play while drunk). The Subspace Emissary only took me about seven hours both times. The first time I played it alone and the second time with a friend. Before you go claiming that you need to be a lifeless loser to spend the time on it, don't forget that a lot of the single-player content is also playable co-op. ;)

Personally I've never defended the name Wii. I find it pretty funny actually, and when one of my friends asks me what I'm doing while I'm playing I'll usually respond, "just playing with my Wii in the corner."

Anyway, starting to ramble off into oblivion here so I'll wrap it up. I always enjoy your reviews Yahtzee, but I had to take this one more as a comedy than something to be taken seriously. Kind of like you with Brawl. If I didn't, the fanboy inside me would've exploded. After all, this is the first review I've posted in and he's the one that made me do it. What an asshole. :P

Indigo_Dingo:

Bryy:
[quote=ElArabDeMagnifico][quote=Mursam]Does nobody find it strange that 6 months after Yahtzee bags out Halo 3 only 389 comments were posted, yet within 12 HOURS of Yahtzee bagging out Brawl, the comment count has reached 488?

Imagine when he reviews MGS4: GotP.

Imagine when he reviews GTA IV, or Fable 2.

SSB is a game an indie game developer could make easily but with copyrights infrigment.

God damn look at all these posts, this game must be VERY IMPORTANT or something. Anyway it's nice to see that someone (Yahtzee in this case) feels the same way I do about fighting games; the only one I could EVER learn how to play was Street Fighter (and every spin off it conceived). To this very day I'm STILL perfecting my skills with Sagat, Ryu and Ken. My point is: I don't have what it takes to sit down and learn the mechanics of other fighting games (no matter how cool Virtual Fighter looks), plus I have never really cared about the SSB series cause when I'm going to play a fighting (or Street Fighter)I take it rather seriously and SSB is WAY too quirky.

gasto:
SSB is a game an indie game developer could make easily but with copyrights infrigment.

Yeah I'm sure getting all those 3D assets, licensed physics engines, hundreds of employees, remixed music from an all-star cast of musicians assembled just for the game, netcode, testing, CG, quality testing, etc., would be a breeze for an indie developer.

the_importer:

Barciad:

Actually, it was all 857 of them, but close enough.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html
Have a read for yourself. Interestingly enough, I was recommended Yahtzee on the notion that he was very similar to Brooker.

Worst part is that this article tells the truth about most Mac users I know. Mac users are so defensive and always think that PC users are going to insult them, so they immediately start insulting PCs as soon as they meet you and know that you don't use a Mac.

Seriously, I went to a store to buy a 802.11n adaptor last month and asked about some of the latest PCI-E video cards and the guy automatically said "I'm not too much of an expert on that anymore, I'm using a better computer now, a Mac". All I asked was for him to show me the latest PCI-E cards, I didn't start any Mac Vs PC debates >_>

I think Maddox summed it up quite well last year: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

We all have our pet loves much like we all have our pet hates. These are all very dear to us and we view it as our God-given right to defend our prejudices. Rationality rarely has anything to do with it but that has never stopped us in the past.

BrunDeign:
17 pages on the second day? You people need to f@#king get a grip. Seriously, this video does NOT require this much conversation.

You realize the irony of contributing to those 17 pages, right?

Well you all wanted him to review SSBB in the end, so really have no right to coplain lol.

At first I didn't like the review, but then I started to gradually like it.

Since I AM 70% Nintindo fanboy.

"and the fight raged on for a century
many lives were claimed, but eventually
the champion stood, the rest saw their better:
Miller483 in a bloodstained sweater"

Xzi:
Let's start this off with a qualifier: yes, I'm a hopeless Nintendo fanboy, but I'm man enough to admit it. That being said I found Yahtzee's review to be quite amusing as always. I apologize that people have been hounding you to review this game, it's obviously not your type. But I feel that you were a bit harsh and some of your arguments unfounded. For one, yea it sometimes gets obscure, as in the example of Marth. He's a character from one of the Fire Emblem games that I never played. That's all you really need to know and you can move on from there. You don't need to be 80 years old and own a Game and Watch in order to appreciate most of the references, Smash Bros has only existed since the 64-bit era after all. Waiting in line for this game to release I met a large assortment of people with whom I spent a couple hours talking about Smash Bros. One of them was a kid not much older than seven, another was a man of 30+ wearing a full military uniform. There's only one reason this many different types of people come together, and that's because there is a lot of fun to be had. Somewhere along the line games decided that it was time to straighten up and be serious. Seriously boring. Aim at head, shoot, aim at head, shoot, repeat. I've had enough of that crap, honestly. Brawl, and the Smash Bros series as a whole deliver something entirely new and different, and that's what makes these games great.

Overall I really only have one big disagreement with you over this game. And that's the button-mashing thing. In a decent amount of fighting games it's a rather viable tactic, but Brawl is certainly not one of them. As a matter of fact I had to teach one of my button-mashing friends how to play recently because I was getting rather tired of playing a 10-live game with him and winning with 6 or more of mine still in tact. He picked it up rather quickly actually and now that he uses a little bit of strategy and timing I get much more of a challenge out of him. Getting good, and I mean good enough to be viable against any of your friends, not tournament good, only really takes about two hours (or one drunken night, although I wouldn't recommend this as a game to play while drunk). The Subspace Emissary only took me about seven hours both times. The first time I played it alone and the second time with a friend. Before you go claiming that you need to be a lifeless loser to spend the time on it, don't forget that a lot of the single-player content is also playable co-op. ;)

Personally I've never defended the name Wii. I find it pretty funny actually, and when one of my friends asks me what I'm doing while I'm playing I'll usually respond, "just playing with my Wii in the corner."

Anyway, starting to ramble off into oblivion here so I'll wrap it up. I always enjoy your reviews Yahtzee, but I had to take this one more as a comedy than something to be taken seriously. Kind of like you with Brawl. If I didn't, the fanboy inside me would've exploded. After all, this is the first review I've posted in and he's the one that made me do it. What an asshole. :P

SSB has always been kind of a cult game (a pretty BIG cult that is). I for one know this guy who is a rastafarian and absolutely LOVES playing SSBB with his son (he's pretty good at it actually). A lot of people are not in to it (myself included) but MILLIONS love it (just like Halo).

Well, that only shows one thing:
People that visit the escapist have a stronger opinion towards SB than Halo, either good or bad.

laikenf:

Xzi:
Let's start this off with a qualifier: yes, I'm a hopeless Nintendo fanboy, but I'm man enough to admit it. That being said I found Yahtzee's review to be quite amusing as always. I apologize that people have been hounding you to review this game, it's obviously not your type. But I feel that you were a bit harsh and some of your arguments unfounded. For one, yea it sometimes gets obscure, as in the example of Marth. He's a character from one of the Fire Emblem games that I never played. That's all you really need to know and you can move on from there. You don't need to be 80 years old and own a Game and Watch in order to appreciate most of the references, Smash Bros has only existed since the 64-bit era after all. Waiting in line for this game to release I met a large assortment of people with whom I spent a couple hours talking about Smash Bros. One of them was a kid not much older than seven, another was a man of 30+ wearing a full military uniform. There's only one reason this many different types of people come together, and that's because there is a lot of fun to be had. Somewhere along the line games decided that it was time to straighten up and be serious. Seriously boring. Aim at head, shoot, aim at head, shoot, repeat. I've had enough of that crap, honestly. Brawl, and the Smash Bros series as a whole deliver something entirely new and different, and that's what makes these games great.

Overall I really only have one big disagreement with you over this game. And that's the button-mashing thing. In a decent amount of fighting games it's a rather viable tactic, but Brawl is certainly not one of them. As a matter of fact I had to teach one of my button-mashing friends how to play recently because I was getting rather tired of playing a 10-live game with him and winning with 6 or more of mine still in tact. He picked it up rather quickly actually and now that he uses a little bit of strategy and timing I get much more of a challenge out of him. Getting good, and I mean good enough to be viable against any of your friends, not tournament good, only really takes about two hours (or one drunken night, although I wouldn't recommend this as a game to play while drunk). The Subspace Emissary only took me about seven hours both times. The first time I played it alone and the second time with a friend. Before you go claiming that you need to be a lifeless loser to spend the time on it, don't forget that a lot of the single-player content is also playable co-op. ;)

Personally I've never defended the name Wii. I find it pretty funny actually, and when one of my friends asks me what I'm doing while I'm playing I'll usually respond, "just playing with my Wii in the corner."

Anyway, starting to ramble off into oblivion here so I'll wrap it up. I always enjoy your reviews Yahtzee, but I had to take this one more as a comedy than something to be taken seriously. Kind of like you with Brawl. If I didn't, the fanboy inside me would've exploded. After all, this is the first review I've posted in and he's the one that made me do it. What an asshole. :P

SSB has always been kind of a cult game (a pretty BIG cult that is). I for one know this guy who is a rastafarian and absolutely LOVES playing SSBB with his son (he's pretty good at it actually). A lot of people are not in to it (myself included) but MILLIONS love it (just like Halo).

Well, any game is a cult game to the extent that some are going to like it and others are going to hate it. I get what you are saying though. But for the love of god, never compare Smash Bros to Halo. :D

Their like hits in their genres. Im amazed people talk more about Halo 3 than CoD4 when CoD4 has a more engaging storyline, but that's how stuff is. SSB may not be the most competitive fighting game, but it's sure as hell one of the most original and stands out.

the_importer:

The Daymonster:
I wish I would have seen this review before I purchased it. I believed all the hype and haven't touched it after the first 5 minutes.

Like any games, if you haven't played the prequels or if you're not into the genre, it's best to rent it first or try it at a friend's house.

I am still hoping one day someone will come over and see it sitting on my shelf covered in dust and be like "oh, you have smash bros., that game is awesome!"

Then they will teach me why it doesn't suck and I will have another great party game.

Xzi:

laikenf:

Xzi:
Let's start this off with a qualifier: yes, I'm a hopeless Nintendo fanboy, but I'm man enough to admit it. That being said I found Yahtzee's review to be quite amusing as always. I apologize that people have been hounding you to review this game, it's obviously not your type. But I feel that you were a bit harsh and some of your arguments unfounded. For one, yea it sometimes gets obscure, as in the example of Marth. He's a character from one of the Fire Emblem games that I never played. That's all you really need to know and you can move on from there. You don't need to be 80 years old and own a Game and Watch in order to appreciate most of the references, Smash Bros has only existed since the 64-bit era after all. Waiting in line for this game to release I met a large assortment of people with whom I spent a couple hours talking about Smash Bros. One of them was a kid not much older than seven, another was a man of 30+ wearing a full military uniform. There's only one reason this many different types of people come together, and that's because there is a lot of fun to be had. Somewhere along the line games decided that it was time to straighten up and be serious. Seriously boring. Aim at head, shoot, aim at head, shoot, repeat. I've had enough of that crap, honestly. Brawl, and the Smash Bros series as a whole deliver something entirely new and different, and that's what makes these games great.

Overall I really only have one big disagreement with you over this game. And that's the button-mashing thing. In a decent amount of fighting games it's a rather viable tactic, but Brawl is certainly not one of them. As a matter of fact I had to teach one of my button-mashing friends how to play recently because I was getting rather tired of playing a 10-live game with him and winning with 6 or more of mine still in tact. He picked it up rather quickly actually and now that he uses a little bit of strategy and timing I get much more of a challenge out of him. Getting good, and I mean good enough to be viable against any of your friends, not tournament good, only really takes about two hours (or one drunken night, although I wouldn't recommend this as a game to play while drunk). The Subspace Emissary only took me about seven hours both times. The first time I played it alone and the second time with a friend. Before you go claiming that you need to be a lifeless loser to spend the time on it, don't forget that a lot of the single-player content is also playable co-op. ;)

Personally I've never defended the name Wii. I find it pretty funny actually, and when one of my friends asks me what I'm doing while I'm playing I'll usually respond, "just playing with my Wii in the corner."

Anyway, starting to ramble off into oblivion here so I'll wrap it up. I always enjoy your reviews Yahtzee, but I had to take this one more as a comedy than something to be taken seriously. Kind of like you with Brawl. If I didn't, the fanboy inside me would've exploded. After all, this is the first review I've posted in and he's the one that made me do it. What an asshole. :P

SSB has always been kind of a cult game (a pretty BIG cult that is). I for one know this guy who is a rastafarian and absolutely LOVES playing SSBB with his son (he's pretty good at it actually). A lot of people are not in to it (myself included) but MILLIONS love it (just like Halo).

Well, any game is a cult game to the extent that some are going to like it and others are going to hate it. I get what you are saying though. But for the love of god, never compare Smash Bros to Halo. :D

You make a good point on the whole button mashing issue. I can't count the amount of people I know that just button mashed there way to victory in Street Fighter (beating people who where REALLY learning how to play the game) only to be obliterated later by those of us who got "serious" and "tactical". So I do agree with the fact that Yahtzee was a bit unfair when classifying SSB as a sorry button masher because it's a disservice to those who have dedicated time and resources on getting good at it.

Tip: Turn off the items. Part of the "chaos" is not knowing what's going on, and items are 90% the reason. After that, try putting them on low and turn off the hammers, bombs, and other items that you consider make the game wholly unbalanced.
When you're playing with friends that already know how to play, turn on all items but keep them on low or medium. Playlarity ensues.

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