Game Design Sketchbook: Immortality

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Honestly, I've only been on this earth for 18 years and get really bored of it sometimes. I can't even imagine how bored I'd be if I lived for 1000.

I would take it. It is not just about living your dreams. But there will be NEVER an end of things to learn, to do or to accomplish.

I mean with endless time, you could even, through you wisedom and knowledge, try as it is to an supperior Imperor or something, and if you think it doesn't work, cause you don't like how people act in the system or you did it the wrong way then just wait some relaxed centurys till generations forget, and then start something different.

And you always can start taking care of all or no one.

I mean even the simplest things, like just relaxing and beeing in the moment you are, you just could at least take everytime you REALY need, and stop complainig about that you have not enough time for everything.

Yeah it could be a problem with the relations around you, but at least all those beloved ones will never be forgotten through yo. Not to talk about that you could take care of every future generation of your family.

I think it would free people really to be themselfs.

You non-immortal guys are nuts! o_O

Living forever kicks ass if you manage to build an awesome life. On the other hand if you can't accomplish that within you normal lifespan then you probably never have the balls to do it anyway and that might suck.

Also this post was fun to read:
"Comrade, nothing just stops. Even if our souls die with the body then the nutrients that made up our body are absorbed by the soil, we're used by plants who are eaten by animals which are eaten by other animals and eventually humans perhaps."

Clearly watched too much Lion King when he was young! "When wie die our bodys become grass and antilopes eat the grass" blabla XD

Well it doesn't alter the fact that he is right our purpose as humans is the same as it is for all animals: Survive and reproduce. And with your death your consciousness probably dies too, but the problem with that is that it is quite awesome and fun to be aware of one's surroundings compared to being a piece of smelly dirt.

I pick immortality! =)

Death is only for wussies who assume a neverending life would be as lame as the one they are living right now.

Well, with the anti-literal-genie prerequisites of eternal youth and health, I'd take amortality. That's where you pretty much live forever, but can die whenever you want to. I think if presented with that option, there'd be no holdouts. If you don't have the balls to end it yourself then you don't deserve to live forever.

I'm also interested in what 'kind' of immortality. Our bodies change with age, they deteriorate and where it, which is the reason we eventually die (I mean natural causes, eventually, it becomes too hard for your heart to beat and pass blood to the rest of your body, and your gone. Now, a bullet would be another story), so if we'd live forever, then we'd age, and eventually we wouldn't be able to move, just live. If we weren't to age, then we'd be cut out of civilization. If I didn't age for five years, my family wouldn't just be suspicious, they'd start calling the cops, and following me around, and paying my friends to wear a wire, and...oh, I've gone far enough, but most normal people would comment me on my looks. After ten years, people'd start to get suspicious (and my family would kidnap me for questioning, and, as I'm assuming, so would the government). After fifteen years, the government would want to talk with me, and if I wasn't gone by twenty, I'd probably be in some kind of government experiment. Also, besides normal people, you couldn't have a family without leaving it every couple of years, and you can't tell me you'd be fine with that (you immoral, selfish bastard). And if you did have/get a family, you'd have to watch them die before you eyes. That'd be terrible. Also, you can't tell me boredom wouln't get to you after thousands of years. And what about when the Earth would be destroyed? You'd float in space forever. But what's my final answer? In truth, yes. If you're talking immortality, you're talking invincibility too. Think about it. If you're immortal, you live forever, and therefore cannot die or be killed. I'd go around jumping from building tops and if I fell, no biggy, I'd be OK. Plus, I'd carry a stock of grenades, and two fully loaded pistols. If I got into an argument with someone, I'd just hold them down and cook a frag in their mouth. And if a friend and I were really pissed at each other I could fake my own death. Sweet ^.^ Another thing, I could kill hundreds of people. It'd be like a video game, except there's never an off button and you never die. Also, I'd go sky-diving without a parachute into a pool full of lava with invinicible, laser-equipped sharks inside. While doing a girl with AIDS (if I'm immortal and invincible, then so are my bodies defenses, so I couldn't contract any diseases/viruses/colds). It wouldn't get boring, because I could do ANYTHING I wanted, anywhere.

But really, we're not that far enough from immortality. Think about it: if I could dodge enough bullets and get enough liver transplants, I could live potentially thousands of years. With advances in modern technology such as gene therapy and stem cell research getting closer every day, who says by the time I'm 70 or 80, I won't be able to live to 1000?

Zombie_King:
I'd carry a stock of grenades, and two fully loaded pistols. If I got into an argument with someone, I'd just hold them down and cook a frag in their mouth. And if a friend and I were really pissed at each other I could fake my own death. Sweet ^.^ Another thing, I could kill hundreds of people. It'd be like a video game, except there's never an off button and you never die.

Then you'd have to hope that they pass the death sentence on you. Because, at least in America, if that fails the first time you're free to go due to double jeopardy. If you were locked up for life, you would get to stay in jail for a very long time. Although, I guess living forever would pretty much make you the king of the prison, so not too much risk in getting turned into someone's, ahem, bride.

immortality would be awesome... then you could move on and figure out how to become a god. i would take the genetic route, trying to figure out how to literally create life. if that failed then i might look into the mysticism angle, but that would probably require hunting down and killing the current god to take his throne.

UpInSmoke:
what happens if I get sentenced to life in prison while immortal? Or "Lethal" injection? I bet that would suck.

Good point. It would be just those sort of problems might lead you to be a bit conservative at least with breaking the law. If we are talking about just not aging but not being invulnerable then I think it would lead to a very ordered, conservative life. Because after all much of life is risk management. The risk of dying in a car crash is relatively low over the course of normal life but extended of over a great enough of a time span it becomes very risky.

On the other hand, if we are talking about a "Tuck Ever Lasting" kind of scenario then you probably be a lot less cautious than a normal person. Your only too risks at that point would be being discovered or being imprisoned.

As for civilization, it would be good to have an immortal or two. When socieity collapses during the next great mass extinction, this person(s) would at least ensure that all of that knowledge or at least enough to get back on the road, would not be lost. Just that sort of person could once the dust settled bring knowledge back to the survivors and help rebuild.

I actualy am not afraid to die. I was terrified when i was younger but then watching old movies and watching some very informative shows i realized that if i don't die that i am just another burdan on the next generation of adults and to the others around me. if i can't do any work or have now real purpose but to await death and live in my own agony. am i going to kill myself when i break my leg when im 60 no. im not saying we should also murder the old and kill those that are disabled thats wrong and i don't intend on ever believing that. but when you think about it if i plus maybe 70 million plus people live for 100 years and beyond that we'd just be wasting valuable oil, food, water, electricity, and more importantly the money of our loved ones. maybe by advancing ourselves in medicine was bad in the long run. great for the people living today but maybe we basically just killed a generation thousands of innocent people for ourselves.

please note i do not approve of killing people in my last message just incase you missed the no's so just in case

Life and Death are common with all mortals. We enjoy are life and then we go to the afterlife where we stay in peace and harmony doing things we use to do on Earth.

Unfortunatly I think good or evil we all go to the same place except the evil has to work for us.

Thats my view on things.

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even five hundred would be pretty nice.

Sums up my own thinkings on it pretty nicely I thinks.

Zombie King said:"...I'd be OK. Plus, I'd carry a stock of grenades, and two fully loaded pistols. If I got into an argument with someone, I'd just hold them down and cook a frag in their mouth..."

You are sick.

A very loose yes being immortal would leave so much open as well as taking so much away but then again you could be one of those immortal villans that work behind the scenes pulling the strings makes me thing of Metal Gear Solid

Yes. I would prefer if I had the option to off myself after the first while though. My ideal, and it would be nice if we developed the tech for this in my lifetime, would probably be 700 years old.

UpInSmoke:
what happens if I get sentenced to life in prison while immortal? Or "Lethal" injection? I bet that would suck.

for the life in prison thing you need merely outlast all the guards or challenge them all to a fight to the death at the same time.

as for the lethal injection they would have to run out of it eventually.

what happens if i well... fail in life xD

be homeless and no money

i will be a hobo forever C:

that dosent sounds like fun

I don't understand the thinking that being immortal will lead to boredom and eventually wishing you could die because you've "seen it all". It is in my nature to be as lazy as possible and living forever probably wouldn't change that about me. Sure i might eventually get around to sky diving or deep sea exploration or whatever, but for me the idea of being holed up in my secret layer (yes you heard that right, if i can become immortal i can have a secret layer) with a steady Internet connection would be awesome. Not to say that I don't ever want to be around other people, but to be honest I feel that socializing with random people is overrated.

If I could remain in perfect health at approximately 25-30 years of age(physically) and be immune to death/pain from starvation/asphyxiation and other severe physical trauma, then yes, absolutely. Otherwise, no.

Assuming we're talking about eternal youth kind of immortality, and not being able to sustain any injury, permanent ones at least (though that would be kind of intresting on its own)...

Well, despite having very little affection for the world, life or even myself, the idea of seeing a bigger picture than anyone else is very intresting... Just to see how humanity and the world evolves, what kind of achievements are made and to see history that no one else sees in its whole, slowly unfold like a story.
And imagine what kind of goals you might have, that were realistic only to an immortal being, or what kind of relationships you could form with the rest of the humanity... World migh not be a overly good place, but if you chose to, you would have thousands of years to make things change, no one being able to stop you completely (you know, if you didn't go the build an evil empire way...).

But would it all become very boring, futile and unintresting, it's hard to say. But I think the general idea is, that anyone can live thousand years just like they live hundred years; Day by day.
But I also suppose that once you've explored the whole world throughly enough, it will slowly start feeling like a limited space, prison with boundaries... Then again, I wonder if it would ever become unbearable, as it all keeps changing constantly, enough fast that you probably couldn't keep up getting bored at it - the globe is big enough for that.
And as I said, Ywu could take things like a curious scientist or a historian, make yourself a leader, a teacher, an immortal warrior - you name it. It' really not like there aren't virtually unlimited amount of things to do or projects to take.

What I would be most worried about though, would be how well human psyche would handle things. First of all, even if your couldn't be physically harmed, you might sooner or later face insanity in some form or another. Humans unfortunately aren't as much in control of their own minds as they like to think... Many mental illnesses are considered to never fully curable, and I think no one likes the idea of having to struggle to keep your sanity, which I suppose is very close to the core of what is you... Somehow living forever insane just strikes as a very unpleasant idea. Perhaps because with eternity of time, you have a fair change of finding happiness, but you and especially your mind is the tool you use to achieve that.
Talking about major mental illnesses, that are difficult or near impossible to recover from and affect strongly your ability to tell the real from unreal, it would make the task of perhaps impossible. And not controlling you never ending life would most likely make it a hellish torment

And secondly, human mind can learn to handle death, by acceptance or ideas of immortal afterlife or rebirth... But when you live forever and start seeing things big, would the life and world and maybe the whole universe eventually start to feel awfully meaningless to you. If you could see nothing worth it in the world, thus observing or participating in it feeling futile and dull, and you could only find any meaning in earthly, amoral pleasures... Wouldn't that feel pretty hollow?
But perhapst it wouldn't be impossible to re-learn to find meaningfulness in humanity and world again either... Who knows.

That rant being made, if I would literally live forever, I would say no in a split second. If you couldn't die even through suicide or end of the world, you'd eventually end up living on a lifeless, dark and cold rock, or even floating forever in the empty space. I cannot think of anything closer to an ultimate hell.

meh, immortality didn't do Dorian Gray any good. I imagine injecting enough heroin into your system to paralyse a mammoth, night after night, would be fun for a while. Everything would. If you're immortal, you're free of the responsibilities of the rest of us. But I'm sure after a while, you'd get bored. You'll have seen everything the world has to offer, and you'll start to wonder what death is like. Only, because you're immortal, you'll never know. While the rest of humanity is moving on to somewhere else, you'll be stuck behind. For all you know, there could be fantastic pan-dimensional orgies happening in Heaven, and you'll never join them.

I would get really, really good at guitar.

I've considered this topic before and I decided I'd really like to be immortal because I would get to see everyone I hate (I.E. Everyone) die. I could also murder people in a country that dosn't have the death penalty so I could just kill someone and wait for the 'life' sentence to end. And if were talking total immortality like take a bullet to the chest and walk away without a scratch then sign me up, I'd walk into the toughest biker bar in town and say to the biggest guy there and say "Hey! Arn't you the guy whose mother I'm f***ing?" and laugh as he emptied his clips into my chest. I could walk in front of cars and sue them for millions. I could do f***ing anything! Now all I would need is a time machine and I could live until we enter an era that is like cyberpunk and bring the technology to the Victorian era and watch them go steampunk! Ok, I'm rambling, so yes I want to be immortal. Sorry for the rant.

Absolutely not. Death is what gives life meaning. Why enjoy everyday that you have when you know you just have an endless number of them?

What does anything you achieve mean when you have infinite time to do anything you want?

Mozart died at the age of 35. Look at the mark he left on the world.

Life is important pretty much ONLY because it is limited. So ever lasting life is meaningless.

Um, sorry for ruining the high-brow conversation, but what's the point of that "game" other than bore you to death? Yeah, I get the idea of the immortality pill and the poison, and all the brick moving, tower building thing is a methaphor and all that, but c'mon, somethings gotta give. I inspected the directory of the game elements and found some kinda vine and leaf and other things. Where are those in the game? I can't seem to find them really. A little help here?

On another note, I'd love to become immortal. Many people say, that immortality would be boring, but that is only their pessimism and boredom speaking. These people are usually unhappy with their lives in some way and see no future for themselves. I personally would like to live forever, see all there is to see, hear all there is to hear..ect. Get to know the universe a little better, get a better understanding of things that I normally couldn't. I would learn, study and create.

Oh, did anyone watch "The Man from Earth"? That's a pretty tough take on this whole immortality thing. I liked it.

Playbahnosh:

Oh, did anyone watch "The Man from Earth"? That's a pretty tough take on this whole immortality thing. I liked it.

Stunning film. I'd suggest everyone on this thread watches it.

Immortality, eternal youth and invulnerability is what i define as;

'immortality'

i would take it in a heartbeat, i've put so much thought into it its stupid, sometimes i obsess about it and go a little crazy in despair that i will die without finding it.

to see the innumerable sights of the universe, to fight the heat death (its doable, stick two things together, you just fought entropy) and see the universe wheel and evolve into new sights and places, there would always be something new to do.

I have little to know interest in immortality. I think I would feel like I am trapped inside a body or in a life and eventually just want to die anyway. Death is a part of life you just have to accept; It happens to everyone at some point. To dream of immortality is time wasted.

The thought of not being able to die scares me.

Crap_haT:
I have little to know interest in immortality. I think I would feel like I am trapped inside a body or in a life and eventually just want to die anyway. Death is a part of life you just have to accept; It happens to everyone at some point. To dream of immortality is time wasted.

The thought of not being able to die scares me.

Humm, a little scary I guess, but, what about immortality where you can choose to die whenever you like?

Axeli:
What I would be most worried about though, would be how well human psyche would handle things. First of all, even if your couldn't be physically harmed, you might sooner or later face insanity in some form or another. Humans unfortunately aren't as much in control of their own minds as they like to think... Many mental illnesses are considered to never fully curable, and I think no one likes the idea of having to struggle to keep your sanity, which I suppose is very close to the core of what is you... Somehow living forever insane just strikes as a very unpleasant idea. Perhaps because with eternity of time, you have a fair change of finding happiness, but you and especially your mind is the tool you use to achieve that.
Talking about major mental illnesses, that are difficult or near impossible to recover from and affect strongly your ability to tell the real from unreal, it would make the task of perhaps impossible. And not controlling you never ending life would most likely make it a hellish torment

I'm glad someone finally brought this up, because this (after the whole Eos and Tithonus situation crossed my mind) was the mental health issue. It's hard enough staying okay with a finite span, an endless one is just...well, tempting fate. We are not built to last forever, not physically, not mentally, not emotionally, and no magic pill is going to change that.

If you had full immortality so that it was impossible for you to die that would suck. Now if you could die from like a bullet to the brain pan then I might take it but full immortality would really start to blow if you got cancer or AIDS. Also if we haven't left the planet and it blows up or something you would just float through space forever. Which would get reall boring. And really start to suck if you hit a stars or a black holes gravity well. So as long as I could die from certain things but my body didn't age I think I would take it. Also, after a really long time like a google years or so, nothing will exist. Earth and all planets and stars will dissapear. Eventually even black holes will dissappear and there wouldn't even be anything look at you would just float. Slowly losing grip with what used to be reality. Your loved ones have been dead for so long you wonder if they actually even existed at all. quietly crieing and wishing the hooded angel would, come but he is sulking in the darkness, never to appear.

However scientists theorise it's possible to rip holes to other galaxies so if you used that infinite life span to figure out how to do that before all usable matter dissapears then you would be good.

zacaron:

UpInSmoke:
what happens if I get sentenced to life in prison while immortal? Or "Lethal" injection? I bet that would suck.

for the life in prison thing you need merely outlast all the guards or challenge them all to a fight to the death at the same time.

as for the lethal injection they would have to run out of it eventually.

Also you have an infinite time to think of an escape and the guards can't kill you so you could just walk out when they opened your door or something. Then you could go to the president and force him to give you a pardon since the Secret Service can't kill you.

For those of you not in the U.S., apply what I just said to however it works where you live.

Thais:
I'm glad someone finally brought this up, because this (after the whole Eos and Tithonus situation crossed my mind) was the mental health issue. It's hard enough staying okay with a finite span, an endless one is just...well, tempting fate. We are not built to last forever, not physically, not mentally, not emotionally, and no magic pill is going to change that.

How'd ya know? Nobody lived "forever" until this day, so there is no ground for your statements. Maybe if we lived long enough, maybe if we could escape the fact that our body is so fragile and prone to malfunction, maybe then we can finally unlock our true potential. What if we were meant to become more, meant to achieve great things, but our biology is hindering us? We won't know until someone invents the Elixir of Life...

Playbahnosh:

Thais:
I'm glad someone finally brought this up, because this (after the whole Eos and Tithonus situation crossed my mind) was the mental health issue. It's hard enough staying okay with a finite span, an endless one is just...well, tempting fate. We are not built to last forever, not physically, not mentally, not emotionally, and no magic pill is going to change that.

How'd ya know? Nobody lived "forever" until this day, so there is no ground for your statements. Maybe if we lived long enough, maybe if we could escape the fact that our body is so fragile and prone to malfunction, maybe then we can finally unlock our true potential. What if we were meant to become more, meant to achieve great things, but our biology is hindering us? We won't know until someone invents the Elixir of Life...

Because mind is not invulnerable. I've had people who appear perfectly balanced near me, who completely lose the ability to tell the what's real and whay's not. Any sane person feels like the idea of becoming like that yourself is ridiculous, after all, you have perfect control. Yet that's not the truth.
When talking about life that long, becoming mentally ill is about as likely as getting a flu once during the next winter.

And you'd think that human psyche only gets stronger and more stable in time, but you have to remember that psyche is also something developped through evolution to keep the individuals healthy during their limited lifetime, and so simply not designed to keep on going infinitely. How mind that keeps alive hundreds of times the normal develops is hard to predict.

It's also possible, of course, that you'd might come out more or less okay, but given that death nullifies all will to live, permanetly or for limited time, it seems the most rational and risk-free choice. Persisting to live forever because of fear of death is the irrational choice.
Of course, if invulnerability would be replaced just with eternal youth (though you wouldn't really be immortal then)... It would be a win-a-win situation, as the door would be always open away from life (though you'd probably die relatively soon from an illness or injury, as those things are prety muvh a game of luck, and that famously never lasts forever).

Axeli:
Because mind is not invulnerable. I've had people who appear perfectly balanced near me, who completely lose the ability to tell the what's real and whay's not. Any sane person feels like the idea of becoming like that yourself is ridiculous, after all, you have perfect control. Yet that's not the truth.
When talking about life that long, becoming mentally ill is about as likely as getting a flu once during the next winter.

And you'd think that human psyche only gets stronger and more stable in time, but you have to remember that psyche is also something developped through evolution to keep the individuals healthy during their limited lifetime, and so simply not designed to keep on going infinitely. How mind that keeps alive hundreds of times the normal develops is hard to predict.

It's also possible, of course, that you'd might come out more or less okay, but given that death nullifies all will to live, permanetly or for limited time, it seems the most rational and risk-free choice. Persisting to live forever because of fear of death is the irrational choice.
Of course, if invulnerability would be replaced just with eternal youth (though you wouldn't really be immortal then)... It would be a win-a-win situation, as the door would be always open away from life (though you'd probably die relatively soon from an illness or injury, as those things are prety muvh a game of luck, and that famously never lasts forever).

I won't choose immortality because of fear of death. I don't fear death. Why fear something that you can't do anything about after all? I believe death will be some new experience, either another world, another form of life, or eternal nothingness. Either way is not something anyone should be afraid of, IMHO. That are the century long religious propaganda speaking, that if you don't do what God says, you will be banished to eternal suffering and pain. This is what makes many people want immortality, to escape this punishment. This is what makes many people fear death. I don't believe anything like that will happen.

But even if I'm a-okay with my death occurring sometime in the future, I sill want to experience this life to it's fullest. But given the little time I have left, there is really no chance to accomplish all I want before I go. If immortality means that I practically CAN'T die, no matter what, even if I fall sick n stuff, I would take it. Maybe use that time to find a cure for my illness, effectively curing another bunch of people suffering from that condition. There is no end to what you can do, once you have all the time in the world to do so, right? :) If it means illness-free eternal youth, then all the better.

As for the mind, that is something different. I think mental health is a very relative thing. Anyone saw the movie Twelve Monkeys? It's a golden example of what people think about "normal". Just think about it, if you were in the shoes of James Cole, and you appeared inside an insane asylum, would you be "normal" enough for them to let you go? Can you explain yourself out of there? Remember, every single one of the inmates there thinks he is sane, and want out. What makes YOU so normal? Trust me, the doctors would find at least SOMETHING to keep you in with. Nobody is "normal". Just think about it: every single person on the street you walk by has some "underlying condition" to qualify for the laughing academy. Even if you are a convict from the future who seeks to stop the annihilation of the human race.

On this note, I think our psyche could handle a few thousand years of life. :)

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