Zero Punctuation: Prince of Persia

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I was waiting for that! It pretty much summarize what I think of the game beside saying that PoP Warrior Within was bad... but I think you were a little bit gentle because this prince of persia is really really bad... there is no real combat at all like he said it's just bosses or mini-bosses... and you cannot die...never... but anyway it's not the real prince so I don't even know why I bother... I just hope Prince Of Persia The Movie will be good!

Hehe "Americans can only relate to other Americans" ZP is accurate (although a little biased - I adress this further down the post) as always.

KarmicToast:
[...]I also wish Yahtzee would stop with his American bashing [...] Everywhere in the world is filled with idiots, assholes, pedophiles, immature people, and commercialism. [...] this huge fucking country[...]

As usual when someone waves a deserved stick at the USA, someone takes the defensive position. Just put yourself in our shoes. We are mostly educated people making these remarks, because frankly we are sick of our games getting dumbed down so they'll sell better in America.

A classic example is the game Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind and it's successor Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion*. The first sold much more in Europe and Asia than it did in America. Most American game reviewers gave the game a much lower score on average than the European press did. The result? Bethesda amputated and dumbed down TESIV: Oblivion so much that it was hard to see it as a true Elder Scrolls game when it came out. In this case the reviews were the total opposite, as it was praised by the American press. (The top 10 reviews were all 100/100 reviews. 9 out of these were by American reviewers, and 1 was Australian.*)

And on your point about there being murderers, pedophiles, idiots etc. etc. in all countries;

"In pure number terms, more crimes are committed in America than in any other nation. The same goes for burglaries, car thefts, rapes and assaults.**"

"Russia has almost twice as many judges and magistrates as the United States. Meanwhile, the United States has 8 times as much crime.**"

"Most Americans think we are #1 in everything positive. Norway is an example of a nation far ahead of us in a number of quality of life issues."
-nationmaster.com

(In fact several countries are ahead of the US on the Human Development Index, a measure of Quality of life, of which USA doesn't even come close to the top 10.) Some of these countries:
Iceland 0.968 (▲ 1)
Norway 0.968 (▼ 1)
Australia 0.962 (▬)
Canada 0.961 (▲ 2)
Ireland 0.959 (▼ 1)
Sweden 0.956 (▼ 1)
Switzerland 0.955 (▲ 2)
Japan 0.953 (▼ 1)
Netherlands 0.953 (▲ 1)
France 0.952 (▲ 6)

Most people not from the US tend to think that Americans are the most patriotic population in any nation. This is not true, in a survey by Nationmaster.com only 2% of asked Americans said that they are proud of their nationality. The top nations were Japan, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland and Norway.

Anyway, I won't go further off track with this. I just wish that more games with actual depth would come out than what is already the case. Out of last year's (2008) releases, only two has lived up to my expectations of a game, and they were Fallout 3 and X3: Terran War.

*=Source: Metacritic
**=Sources; nationmaster.com, Federal Bureau of Investigation (USA)

true, i started playing the title on PC, its verry pretty and all, but lacked to keep me interested.

Great game. First PoP I've ever played and it's actually made me love platforming again. But Yahtzee's complaint isn't with the platforming, it's with the combat.

And I don't think his description of combat fits. The slow-motion blocking tutorial-style nonsense really is obnoxious, but once you get the parry move you never have to see it again. Just get in close, parry your enemy's sword attack, and unleash a combo.

And the combo is the answer to the whole "only one attack works" thing. After you pull off the first attack (like a gauntlet throw) you can pretty much throw in whatever attack you want after it until your combo ends. Once you figure out how combat works, it's actually a pretty complex and original system.

And the complaints about dying? Really? No one ever complains about Call of Duty games and you auto-save and restart after every 2-minute battle. You KNOW you screwed up in PoP, it's just a contextual auto-save system. Kind of like Oddworld, in fact.

P.S. Hold the block button and you move a whole lot faster.

i did not see the part where he recommended it coming i thought he would hate it!!!

OutaTime21:
Awesome review Yahtzee

yes it is and welcome to Escapist! ^_^

BazBake:
Great game. First PoP I've ever played and it's actually made me love platforming again. But Yahtzee's complaint isn't with the platforming, it's with the combat.

And I don't think his description of combat fits. The slow-motion blocking tutorial-style nonsense really is obnoxious, but once you get the parry move you never have to see it again. Just get in close, parry your enemy's sword attack, and unleash a combo.

And the combo is the answer to the whole "only one attack works" thing. After you pull off the first attack (like a gauntlet throw) you can pretty much throw in whatever attack you want after it until your combo ends. Once you figure out how combat works, it's actually a pretty complex and original system.

And the complaints about dying? Really? No one ever complains about Call of Duty games and you auto-save and restart after every 2-minute battle. You KNOW you screwed up in PoP, it's just a contextual auto-save system. Kind of like Oddworld, in fact.

P.S. Hold the block button and you move a whole lot faster.

welcome to Escapist P.S. Set up an avitar and create a forum for two instant badges

BrightDeathFriend:
I can understand why he dislikes Mirrors Edge. The only positive features of that game are the graphics and, i guess, the plot. The gameplay looks so frustrating, especially when she does a forward roll. >_>
If it had a better camera angle...then maybe it would be a game worth renting at least. lol

Well, it doesn't sound like you've actually played it. Being as that I own and have beaten the game, let me tell you that the movement in Mirrors Edge is pretty intuitive. Yahtzees' review sounds like he watched the story while someone else played it. So in that sense, I find his review hard to swollow. I just accept he didn't care for it that much, which goes hand in hand with anyone with an opinion.

I guess what I'm trying to say is; reserve your judgment until you've actually had some hands on experiance.

Vlane:

mambi:

Vlane:

daedrick:
More than 3 sequels = automatic failure. Like always... but people dont learn.

Mario, Zelda, Metroid, MGS, CoD, etc.

Mario-wrong
Zelda-wrong
Metroid- somewhat wrong
MGS- very wrong
CoD- my god you're stupid

Get your facts right before you post stupid stuff like this. All these franchises (fourth installments) I named got very good reviews and sell pretty good.

oh i miss understood what he was trying to say and you misunderstood me. i thought he was agreeing with the "more than three installments rule". I think Mario, Zelda, Metroid, MGS, CoD are all good games and i know that they sold well.

asam92:
i loved this game, i truly did.

EDIT: Also, Two Thrones/Rival Swords was definitely the best one, I hated sands of time

It's nice to hear another positive opinion on a PoP game other than Sands of Time. :) My favourite of the series had to have been Two Thrones also. The second game would have been better if it had Farah in it as well. At least the combat was still improved of SoT.

you r a genius .... keep up the game bashing ....

I just can't relate to this hate culture anymore. Some constructive criticism is always welcome and that's what we got in the earlier work, but this, this is just silly, like drunk teens, feeling smart and hating on everything.

The worst part is that there are people who actually take this seriously.

Metalhandkerchief:
As usual when someone waves a deserved stick at the USA, someone takes the defensive position. Just put yourself in our shoes. We are mostly educated people making these remarks, because frankly we are sick of our games getting dumbed down so they'll sell better in America.

I'm an American. I hated Oblivion. It was something shiny with horrendous combat and poor design decisions.

Metalhandkerchief:

And on your point about there being murderers, pedophiles, idiots etc. etc. in all countries;

"In pure number terms, more crimes are committed in America than in any other nation. The same goes for burglaries, car thefts, rapes and assaults.**"

"Russia has almost twice as many judges and magistrates as the United States. Meanwhile, the United States has 8 times as much crime.**"

Pure number terms, maybe. But I could also throw out per capita statistics that put Russia to shame.

Metalhandkerchief:

"Most Americans think we are #1 in everything positive. Norway is an example of a nation far ahead of us in a number of quality of life issues."
-nationmaster.com

(In fact several countries are ahead of the US on the Human Development Index, a measure of Quality of life, of which USA doesn't even come close to the top 10.)

"Not even close"? The number 10 country was 0.952. America stood at a flat 0.950, which made them 14 (Russia is somewhere in the .8s, which means they didn't even make the top thirty). The statistical difference is almost negligible. "Not even close" is such blatant intellectual dishonesty that I want to cry. Oh, and by the way, 0.950 is the baseline for the highest rank of quality of life.

Let's also point out that Norway - the number one country - is blessed with such an amazing abundance of natural resources that it would take a blundering fool for the place to fall into disrepair. As well, cost of living is 30% higher than the US and 25% higher than the UK. On top of that, thanks to the liberal nature of their government, taxation is extremely high to compensate for all the national programs.

Metalhandkerchief:

Most people not from the US tend to think that Americans are the most patriotic population in any nation. This is not true, in a survey by Nationmaster.com only 2% of asked Americans said that they are proud of their nationality. The top nations were Japan, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland and Norway.

That's a bald-faced lie.

Linkage

United States is tied for number one with Ireland. Ireland! Let me know the next time you meet an Irishman who is dispassionate about his heritage.

Metalhandkerchief:
Anyway, I won't go further off track with this.

Thank goodness.

sweet i wanted him to review this 1

Wow, I was in stitches after that Nameless one in a blender line. Man I loved that game.

Metalhandkerchief:
Hehe "Americans can only relate to other Americans" ZP is accurate (although a little biased - I adress this further down the post) as always.

KarmicToast:
[...]I also wish Yahtzee would stop with his American bashing [...] Everywhere in the world is filled with idiots, assholes, pedophiles, immature people, and commercialism. [...] this huge fucking country[...]

As usual when someone waves a deserved stick at the USA, someone takes the defensive position. Just put yourself in our shoes. We are mostly educated people making these remarks, because frankly we are sick of our games getting dumbed down so they'll sell better in America.

A classic example is the game Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind and it's successor Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion*. The first sold much more in Europe and Asia than it did in America. Most American game reviewers gave the game a much lower score on average than the European press did. The result? Bethesda amputated and dumbed down TESIV: Oblivion so much that it was hard to see it as a true Elder Scrolls game when it came out. In this case the reviews were the total opposite, as it was praised by the American press. (The top 10 reviews were all 100/100 reviews. 9 out of these were by American reviewers, and 1 was Australian.*)

And on your point about there being murderers, pedophiles, idiots etc. etc. in all countries;

"In pure number terms, more crimes are committed in America than in any other nation. The same goes for burglaries, car thefts, rapes and assaults.**"

"Russia has almost twice as many judges and magistrates as the United States. Meanwhile, the United States has 8 times as much crime.**"

"Most Americans think we are #1 in everything positive. Norway is an example of a nation far ahead of us in a number of quality of life issues."
-nationmaster.com

(In fact several countries are ahead of the US on the Human Development Index, a measure of Quality of life, of which USA doesn't even come close to the top 10.) Some of these countries:
Iceland 0.968 (▲ 1)
Norway 0.968 (▼ 1)
Australia 0.962 (▬)
Canada 0.961 (▲ 2)
Ireland 0.959 (▼ 1)
Sweden 0.956 (▼ 1)
Switzerland 0.955 (▲ 2)
Japan 0.953 (▼ 1)
Netherlands 0.953 (▲ 1)
France 0.952 (▲ 6)

Most people not from the US tend to think that Americans are the most patriotic population in any nation. This is not true, in a survey by Nationmaster.com only 2% of asked Americans said that they are proud of their nationality. The top nations were Japan, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland and Norway.

Anyway, I won't go further off track with this. I just wish that more games with actual depth would come out than what is already the case. Out of last year's (2008) releases, only two has lived up to my expectations of a game, and they were Fallout 3 and X3: Terran War.

*=Source: Metacritic
**=Sources; nationmaster.com, Federal Bureau of Investigation (USA)

Wow, you're an asshole.

I'm glad that Yatzhee kinda nailed the most important points: beautiful game with great platforming, but questionable storyline and craptastically horrid combat. Could not agree more, glad you're still fighting the good fight!

Yatzees back\

Yahtzee is awesome for actually reading emails, though he prolly didn't read mine ~_~

I hate commercials that make you think the game's gonna be good. Cause when you buy it and play it, you curse every single person who made that game for hours.

PoP was decent, but a total graphics whore. (you know it's true. don't even think about disputing me.)

P.S.-

Women who wear the "Press X to not Die" shirts get interesting comments. -_- I had one co-worker and at least 3 customers in Gamestop today giggle about wanting to touch my breasts.... "But if what you say is true... I'll die if I don't touch them!"

Very funny, people. Very funny.

I think the game is proof that sequals almost always fail because the basic nature of sequals is that they are not an original concept, and rarely and original idea/innovation/advancement is found within the sequal.

I personally liked the new Prince Of Persia. I also liked the 'Sands Of Time' trilogy too but this ones more fun for me because I like platformer style games a lot, but the fighting did give me the...well yeah it's obvious what I was gonna say so I wont. Now if Ubisoft would make the next one with the battle style of 'Warrior Within' and this new games exploration and platforming it would be one of the best games ever.

mambi:

Vlane:

daedrick:
More than 3 sequels = automatic failure. Like always... but people dont learn.

Mario, Zelda, Metroid, MGS, CoD, etc.

Mario-wrong
Zelda-wrong
Metroid- somewhat wrong
MGS- very wrong
CoD- my god you're stupid

Er, MGS4 is a really good game. And CoD4 and CoD5? They're awesome! What's wrong with you? And another case of American accents. I think it's a disease.

my_ledge_ends:
[quote="Metalhandkerchief" post="6.82001.1115465"]
United States is tied for number one with Ireland. Ireland! Let me know the next time you meet an Irishman who is dispassionate about his heritage.

Right here, along with almost everybody I know, we don't care about our heritage. It's not important at all in any way what-so-ever. Putting food on my table is, having a happy life is. Heritage is for school trips. Im gonna bet that most of the people who were asked were from the North of Ireland.

"until she explosively comes grass seeds"?!?

beautiful demographic anal-ysis

:)

"Finger the Y button until she explosively comes grass seeds."

Absolutely poetic.

Great review, the most sad thing about this game is that it gets very very very repetitive after the first 20 min.... sad ...

"The Nameless One in a blender", fantastic and unexpected. Although I have a vague recollection that cremation could result in permanent passing away (notwithstanding not being able to steal souls in The Fortress Of Regret or whatever it was called)... why not a blender that aerosolised liquefied corpse and sprayed it far and wide?

In any case, bravo and very funny.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.78853#997640

I don't mean to brag, but DID I NOT DARN WELL CALL IT???? :P

Sorry. It was a good review. I suspected he'd hate it more, but I guess not. Oh well. There's always next review for me to get my hate fix. :P

lol funny as hell.
love how he shows the schizophrenic nature of all girls
january will be interesting maybe finally we will get Gears of War 2

I played this game,
one thing i was ranting about is you can't die, i love dying, it shows im human

I thought the way they did they save-me system was pretty awesome. I mean I still counted it as a death, but without the loading screen, reloading game, more loading screens, LOAD LOAD LOAD! And then starting from far away so that one gamer will lose interest in the game. So the save-me system did help on keeping most gamers interested.
note: I said MOST, not all of them.

Just discovered this place thru someone linking to this very review on Digg, Ive been playin POP on PS3 for a couple of hours and must admit i do love it, its repetitive and frustrating in parts but beautiful, and i find the controls simple to use and the camera is pretty responsive too, nothing worse than drunk camera angles! I hold my hands up and admit im pretty useless at most games so appreciate the fact you can't die! I bought it for 20 in the play.com sale so for me, it was a bargain as i was pleasantly surprised with how much ive enjoyed playing so far. And those zero punctuation reviews are hilarious, look forward to more to help inform my choice of games in 2009!

You forgot about the carpets, this thick {....}!

About 3:30 into the review the Humorous phrases had risen to ABOVE 9000%!

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