Well a) They were too young for puberty at the start of it
It's a metaphor. Elsa is going through "a change" and doesn't want to play with her little sister anymore. They're both also too old at the end, but that's the thing, metaphors don't need to be exact.
and b) I didn't have that sort of experience at all. I definitely think this is a scenario of people seeing what they expect to, whatever it is.
Oh, I'm sure. But that's almost always the case when interpreting fiction. Still, the idea of siblings growing apart is a fairly universal issue - it happens to a lot of people.
See, I just don't agree at all. I don't see anything sexual. I went and looked at the scene again and the one three-second scene right at the end where her hips sway widest? She's just striding with power and purpose.
Yup. And how is that not sexy?
And sexy dress? Because of the slit maybe?
No, not the slit. The shiny. It's so pretty!
... I got a friend who runs an Esty sight to sew me up a custom one of those. It's being adjusted because she got a little overly enthusiastic and I'm not actually a Disney princess, but it is AMAZINGLY fucking sexy.
'sexy', as in designed to enhance her sex appeal, is crazy considering she's alone in the mountain and plans to stay that way.
Only if you assume that the only reason to look sexy is to do so for someone else. Sometimes a girl just wants to rock an awesome dress. ^^
And her hair - as someone who has worn a style just like it, the relief that comes from yanking out the pins and letting it down is just elemental.
Yes, true, but it's all of a piece. It's the deconstruction of the tightly wound, repressed Elsa and the rebirth of the sashaying (such a great word) Elsa who wears her hair down. "Let your hair down" is, after all, a term for being relaxed.
And the eyebrow? You see something sensual or 'come hither' but all I see is a 'fuck you, world!'
As with her stride earlier, how is "fuck you world!" not sexy?
Besides, I didn't get "fuck you world" - I got something more teasing out of it. She does the eyebrow thing on the words "the cold never bothered me anyway," suggesting that the eyebrow is suggesting that the cold would bother others (either because her castle is really damn cold or because she's referencing the reactions her subjects and guests had to her ice magic). So, for me, it was more "you want to be here in this place that's mine? you better be able to handle the cold" - or, to put it simply, "this place here - it's MINE". Not hating the world - taking possession of her place in it.
I guess 'sexy' is linked to approval of the witness, making Elsa's freedom and relief and empowerment somehow dis-empowering as she replaces 'good girl, conceal' with 'good girl, be sexually desirable'. It's like a reflection of how women have been pressured and/or encouraged to be either demure and sexually restrained or outgoing and sexually active - one or the other, with sexual activity especially being trumpeted as a sign of power when really it serves the other and blah blah blah.
It's like... bringing sex appeal into it at all, into the story of her personal growth and fear and freedom and choices and mistakes etc... it obscures everything else. It takes the focus away from her, who she elementally is and her story as a person... into something superficial and linked to the audience's lower desires.
I can see where you're coming from, but that assumes that the sexiness can't be for her. That she can't be sexy for the sake of being sexy. Or, another point - she's had to cover her body up for years. While hiding her magic (which she was shamed by her parents over), she also had to cover her arms and hands constantly, which for me echoed body shame issues. Now, here, in this cold place, she can be free of her gloves, free of being covered up, dress as she likes, and - for the first time ever - BE sexy. She couldn't be sexy back home - she might attract a partner and then freeze that partner to death. But here, alone, she can finally stop being ashamed of her cold-cursed body and sashay about being sexy if she wants to. Sure, there's no one there but her to see it (reflected in the ice walls), but who cares?
So yeah - sexy doesn't mean sexy for anyone else. Elsa can be sexy for herself, just for the freedom to be sexy and the joy of being sexy.
When it comes to Feminism? Always. People get so twisted up by it.
Okay, I'll give you that one. There was this one guy I overheard as I was leaving the theater after watching Frozen for the second time who was talking about the movie "promoting violence against men" - because Anna punched the Prince who TRIED TO MURDER HER. I had to work very hard not to turn around and either ask him "what the fuck?" or possibly quote Mal Reynolds at him ("If someone tries to kill you, you kill 'em right back!").
So yeah, I'll give you that one.
OR that empowerment = sexy.... :D
Well, I do tend to find empowerment pretty sexy... not sure how that's anti-feminist... but perhaps it is best not to open that particular can of worms this fine evening.
I'm sure I'm missing all sorts of arguments people can/are have(ing now). Exhausting.
Oh, probably. ... fuck em. We're having a nice conversation right here. ^^
At the end of the day, to me, it's a story about two people, gender unimportant.
For you, perhaps.
I'm fucking psyched that this is a Disney film about two women and their feelings. A Princess saving the Queen? That is like my childhood fantasies come to life.
If Anna was Elsa's brother instead of her sister, I don't think it would have worked as well for me. I don't think it would have moved me as much, or have dug so deep into my childhood yearnings for strong female characters who didn't have to be Xena (not that I didn't love the fuck of out of Xena: Warrior Princess, but even Gabby eventually turned into a combat badass - I loved that Frozen could make Anna the hero without making her a deadly combatant).
It's late and I'm almost certainly babbling by this point. I look forward to your reply. Goodnight!