Escape to the Movies: The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - The Movie That Broke MovieBob

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Wow... Bob... I er... geez... just wow...

Mr. Q:
Fuck it. I'm gonna tell everyone I can to avoid Amazing Spider-Man 2 like the plague. If you still need to see it, then wait until it hits Red Box. Don't give Sony anymore money than the rock-bottom price of a one-day rental.

I'm really torn over what I should do here. It seems like the kind of thing I'd like to see immediately, even if it's a horrendous money-driven Frankenstein's monster of a movie, just to dissect it and see what was wrong, but I don't want to contribute even the tiniest bit of cash to Sony to do so. I'm also kind of insulted that it releases here in the States on my birthday, but that's a different issue entirely.

I haven't seen the movie or watched this review, largely because I didn't agree with Bob on the original and I'm concerned this will be the same until I see it myself.

But please, for the love of god, whether he thought it was good or bad, can Bob please not talk about it every other video? Especially when it's barely even relevant? Because that got extremely old last time.

Zachary Amaranth:
He can't be serious, can he?

Of course he can. Have you never been exposed to something you truly hate and thought, This is my future, this is what the world holds for me now? I have. For instance, love of the roleplaying game Exalted was a pretty huge part of my life for ten or fifteen years, but a few years back, after trying so hard to navigate the train wreck of the game created by an entirely too eager system designer playtested by no one in particular and eight years of the series having no cohesive editorial oversight because the company was floundering and that no one involved just gave a shit about to the point that books were printed with text copied and pasted from the previous edition referencing mechanics that no longer exist...I just couldn't sustain my enthusiasm. Something broke inside me. I began to hate the line, the books (that is, the physical objects sitting on my shelf), and the community surrounding them. I'm still not totally over it. The game line is now being developed by a publisher that gives a damn, and the books are being written by the all-stars whose work was actually good, but I'm still not totally over it. I still kind of hate it.

So, Mr. Chipman, should you be reading it, I think I understand how you feel, and you have my sympathies. The only thing I can say to you is that people heal. They may scar, but the wound does close.

RiseUp:

Mr. Q:
Fuck it. I'm gonna tell everyone I can to avoid Amazing Spider-Man 2 like the plague. If you still need to see it, then wait until it hits Red Box. Don't give Sony anymore money than the rock-bottom price of a one-day rental.

I'm really torn over what I should do here. It seems like the kind of thing I'd like to see immediately, even if it's a horrendous money-driven Frankenstein's monster of a movie, just to dissect it and see what was wrong, but I don't want to contribute even the tiniest bit of cash to Sony to do so. I'm also kind of insulted that it releases here in the States on my birthday, but that's a different issue entirely.

I would suggest trying to find a movie theater that offers the lowest ticket price, especially a matinee. The cheaper, the better. Better yet, pay for one film playing nearby in the theater and sneak into ASM2 when no one is looking. I'd offer more "illegal advice" but I don't think promoting piracy is gonna win hearts and minds. It's up to you but I strongly suggest to give Sony little money on seeing this movie.

RiseUp:

Kumagawa Misogi:

RiseUp:
There's a difference between dropping something because it isn't financially viable to produce (keep in mind they're still expecting a massive profit) and making a film (or series of films) to retain character rights, while riding the superhero boom that Marvel set off. There's also the matter of quality. While Marvel has an overarching, long term plan for their cinematic universe, Sony is planning Spiderman sequels left and right without so much as having a general story direction, seemingly to take the money and run before the superhero movie bubble (that they're holding a needle to) bursts. Marvel has hired directors who seem to have actual passion for what they're doing, and has taken some pretty serious creative risks along the way. I'm no Marvel fanboy, but there's actually a big difference between Marvel's long-term "build it and they will come" approach to a money machine, and Sony's haphazard imitation carried out only because Marvel is raking it in.

( while riding the superhero boom that Marvel set off )

I'm sorry you mean the boom that Fox set off with X-men back in 2000 as every year since 2002 has been filled with superhero films starting with Sony's 2002 Spiderman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics

There was an upswing at that point, starting with the X-Men, but I don't remember the films having the same sort of cultural impact as superhero movies post-Iron Man. It might be because I was younger and didn't pay much attention to them, anyway. I wasn't saying Marvel was solely responsible for the recent boom, they just seem to me like the reason this kind of thing has grown as large as it currently is.

That's just the normal audience growth, 14 year old goes to see 2000's X-men on his own 14 years later he goes with his kids.

No different than what happened with video games, we were bought them by our parents now we buy them for ourselves as well as our kids instant audience increase.

RiseUp:

Mr. Q:
Fuck it. I'm gonna tell everyone I can to avoid Amazing Spider-Man 2 like the plague. If you still need to see it, then wait until it hits Red Box. Don't give Sony anymore money than the rock-bottom price of a one-day rental.

I'm really torn over what I should do here. It seems like the kind of thing I'd like to see immediately, even if it's a horrendous money-driven Frankenstein's monster of a movie, just to dissect it and see what was wrong, but I don't want to contribute even the tiniest bit of cash to Sony to do so. I'm also kind of insulted that it releases here in the States on my birthday, but that's a different issue entirely.

Here's a simple idea, don't take someone else's opinion as gospel.

I know people are often treated as sheep but c'mon!

Kumagawa Misogi:

RiseUp:

Mr. Q:
Fuck it. I'm gonna tell everyone I can to avoid Amazing Spider-Man 2 like the plague. If you still need to see it, then wait until it hits Red Box. Don't give Sony anymore money than the rock-bottom price of a one-day rental.

I'm really torn over what I should do here. It seems like the kind of thing I'd like to see immediately, even if it's a horrendous money-driven Frankenstein's monster of a movie, just to dissect it and see what was wrong, but I don't want to contribute even the tiniest bit of cash to Sony to do so. I'm also kind of insulted that it releases here in the States on my birthday, but that's a different issue entirely.

Here's a simple idea, don't take someone else's opinion as gospel.

I know people are often treated as sheep but c'mon!

I don't. I realize that Bob hated it so much because he carried a lot more into it, where as I don't have nearly as much attachment to Spiderman. That said, I thought the first one was a hollow shell of a film, and if the general consensus on this one is similar, I'll probably end up avoiding it, or seeing it weeks down the line at a matinee.

I feel for you, Bob.

But, having seen the movie, I can think of a couple of positive things. I like Dane Dehaan and Jamie Fox's performance (even if their motivations left me cold) and I like that Spider-man saves people, which, in my opinion, puts it ahead of Man of Steel.

But, to each his/her own.

Apparently people forgot just exactly how the Sam Raimi Spider-man movies were. Like...it wasn't really Spider-Man at that point. He changed most of the characters and etc. And Spider-man 3 anyone.

Amazing 2 was pretty good IMHO. Bob's thing...I actually don't even get what's wrong with him. I get him not liking a movie for reasons, but "breaking"? The guy's acting up. Hamming up IMHO.

Peter and Gwen here have chemistry and the Electro fights are epic. Harry Osborn...could and should have been dropped from the movie. But otherwise, it's a pretty good action flick.

Meh, I'll still go see it.

Wow...

Wow...

Ok. Man. Well, just to share a similar experience (and i agree, a movie doesn't have to be "The worst" to have the most negative impact) For me it was the "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" - Movie in 2005, Hm, nearly ten years already?

Went to see it after i freshened up with the old series (Which is AMAZING) and re-reading the book. I never came out of the cinema so veryvery disappointed. The worst one was: Douglas Adams wrote on the movie. Was apparently ok with it - and died years before it came out. Damn uncertainty - was he never funny and had a few flukes? Did I change? (People seemed to like this movie ok in general) - What was wrong?

Ah well, back to Spiderman; Haven't seen the other new one either. Somehow i felt that it wasn't neccessary. I feel now confirmed that i don't have to see this one either - so i am actively working on making it fail. Which is good, i guess.

deathbydeath:
I, for example, hate Deus Ex: Human Revolution with a passion that could burn houses down, but if you asked me to sit down and give it a formal review I'd say the game is good and give it a score somewhere around 4/5.

This actually piques my curiosity. Care to elaborate?

On topic, aside from how hard this hit Bob, this is exactly what I expected from this movie. A soulless moneymaking venture; nothing more, nothing less.

As a spidy fan there were parts of the film that pissed me off, I seriously did not need so much fucking bullshit about his dad, they spend an entire extra hour meandering around his dad and it's utterly pointless, well not pointless but amounts to something that could've been learnt in 5 minutes or easily figured out. Also Andrew Garfield just isn't that good a peter parker, brilliant spider-man, whenever he's spidy i'd say it's actually a decent film but everything with Peter is just so...meh. I did like him being haunted by Cap Stacy but I think it would've been even better if he was also haunted by Uncle ben since Pete's guilt about failing people makes up a fair bit of the character. Also I really liked "that" scene. I thought it was really well done, considering I knew it was coming it still tugged at my heart strings and was just a really well shot scene.

After watching this video, I was overcome with the need to run over to Bob and give him a hug. And maybe a Samus Aran Morph Ball plushie, or something. Because I mean sheesh.

I'm not going to go see this movie. I've got no investment in Spider-Man, or comics as a whole, honestly. But this still depresses me, because after a number of movies that showed that maybe, just maybe, Hollywood saw the value in treating their precious IPs like something worth doing right... Sony falls right back into the old ways of cynical, soulless cash-ins.

Then again, Sony as a whole is practically consuimg itself from within, so maybe other production companies will take this as a cautionary tale?

...yeah, that sort of ending wouldn't even be believable in a comic book.

But was it worse than One More Day? I didn't find this movie to be awful myself, just kind of okay. I liked the first one largely due to the cast and characters who I found compelling despite the messy story but this one was just too uneven to ever rise above alright.

The biggest problem for me was the tone, which would swing back and forth between drama in the vein of the first film and Batman and Robin levels of camp from scene to scene, which got especially incongruous during the ending when it kept switching between drama, sequel bait and comedy in the space of five minutes. I found the emotional moment near the end effective myself (despite a truly awful bit of symbolism) but the tonal whiplash hurt it.

Individually I thought many of the scenes worked, the campy fun stuff was fun and campy and the dramatic stuff mostly solid; the cast here remain the series' greatest asset. When they didn't though they were absolutely hysterical, from the elaborate hidden underground laboratory apparently built and maintained by one man to the Green Goblin appearing as a deformed Tinker-Bell riding the finest in Mattel transportation. The only bit that really annoyed me was when they copped-out on the Doctor Manhattan reference by having Electro spontaneously grow underwear (a bullshit on both your houses Sony!).

The plot overall makes absolutely no sense with holes wide enough to fit Manhattan through, my favourite being when terminally ill rich kid Harry turns into Solid Snake for five minutes. I didn't quite get the vibe you did of the entire thing being sequel set-up, bar the sinister six references it felt like a fairly self-contained (if massively overstuffed, confused and structureless) story. Overall I didn't find it a waste of my time and there are certainly worse things to spend your money on right now coughTranscendencecough.

Ummmm... Ouch?

Most of the time, I suspect this is where I'd speculate that MB was indulging in some hyperfanboy "they're touching my things" ranting. But this review is clearly aware- somewhat unusually- of the skew engendered by his own fandom, and the sincerity and willingness to personalize his opinion kind of carries it through to the extent that snark would seem entirely mean-spirited and misplaced.

I actually feel like offering my condolences.

So, congratulations, I guess, Bob; you've convinced me. I won't see it, at least until I read more than one contrary review and it reaches second-run theaters.

JarinArenos:

deathbydeath:
I, for example, hate Deus Ex: Human Revolution with a passion that could burn houses down, but if you asked me to sit down and give it a formal review I'd say the game is good and give it a score somewhere around 4/5.

This actually piques my curiosity. Care to elaborate?

On topic, aside from how hard this hit Bob, this is exactly what I expected from this movie. A soulless moneymaking venture; nothing more, nothing less.

Just because you hate something doesn't mean you can't look at it as a whole and see how good it is. I don't like CoD or Zelda, but I can understand why people do and analyze it in that respect.

OT: As a spidy fan I was was on the complete opposite side of Bob on his last review, so as far as I'm concerned the movies going to be good(haven't seen it yet). Also, I think SM1 and SM3(3 doesn't even exist on my radar of movies......hell Electra is a better move than SM3) are the weakest of all the spider-man movies thus far, and having just watched SM2.....well lets just say nostalgia got me a bit on that one.

Well this seems to confirm what I've been saying and thinking about these films for awhile now; Sony is more worried about the future to bother putting in the proper effort for here and now. It's all about what comes next and how that can be expanded into more instead of giving future sequels a solid based to build from. Where Marvel may not hit a home run with every release they still manage to land in the middle ground of being just good enough (Ironman 2 and Thor 2 jump to mind) Sony seems to look at that middle ground as being the starting target.

I've been extremely worried about Spiderman since Sony announced they were taking the IP and giving it the Marvel cinematic universe treatment. While I love Spiderman this to me sounds like an incredibly bad idea because it's one IP and doesn't give nearly enough to work with for multiple films outside of having a mainline Spiderman series that follows Peter Parker as he navigates the life of being a super hero. Sinister Six has nothing to build upon outside of a line up of villains which so far have been bland and uninteresting with convoluted story lines which hardly make sense. I can't see how this will be spun in anything other than another sub par movie.

Disappointment doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about all this. I loved Spider-man 1 and 2 but everything that has followed has been awful in my opinion. It's like Sony isn't sure what to do with the character other than marketing and unfortunately it takes a whole lot more than that to build a successful franchise. Say what you will about Man of Steel at least Snyder had a vision there and stuck to it with long term plans right out the gate to continue to develop the character. Sure this isn't classic Superman but at least it's something other than dragging out the character to beat some more money out of him in order to keep the rights to produce movies.

At this point I'm with Bob on this one, I want this movie to fail and if anything follows I want it to fail as well. I'm tired of groaning whenever I hear about what Sony plans next or seeing what they tease. I'm tired of not looking forward to the next films. I'm tired of feeling like the character is being squandered all in the name of profit. Most of all I'm just tired of being let down. Three films now that have missed the mark. How many times does Sony have to screw this up before we get something worth not only our time but our money as well?

Oh no! What have they done to you?! Anyways, I just can't find the motivation to watch any of these movies besides Marvel Studio projects because they seem to be the only ones that don't have money as a primary goal in making these things.

Everyone has their rock bottom and this was Bobs. Only thing to do from here is to learn from it, give less of a shit about it and write it off as a worthless experience that hopefully wont happen again anytime soon, if ever.

The one thing that I hope, is that Bob has more respect for people who react in the same way he just did and not just write off their pain or love for something as silly.

A_suspicious_cabbage:
And yet it's still probably the best spiderman movie to have ever been made.

Honestly, these 2 films are nowhere near as bad as you're making them out to be. They might not be as good as if Marvel were doing them, but bad films. They are not.

I watched this review just to see how far Bob would take his hate for ASM. He hated the first movie with such passion I honestly wondered what movie he watched. I am, just like Bob, a massive Spiderman fan. My first comic book ever was Amazing Spiderman 294 all the way back in 1987.

I just don't get all this anger, you have to modernize old ideas and old plot lines, its EXACTLY what Marvel has been doing for 70+ years running. I can understand some issues with franchise building, but come on, Captain America, Thor, etc are all franchise building blocks for Avengers movies. In fact each of the building block movies (with the exception of Ironman I) that preceded The Avengers was as good or maybe slightly better than ASM.

I wanted to see Spiderman swing past Captain America and smash the hell out of a bad guy too, but that tragically isn't going to happen. And no amount of voodoo hexing the ASM franchise will make it happen, Sony has Spider-Man...sigh

Since I disagreed with Bob about the 1st one, after that I thought 'this must be great then', but that description did sound genuinely bad. Still gotta see this train wreck though.

Is it wrong that I've always wanted Spider-Man to be sold back to Disney? Not "So he can be in the Avengers.", because Spider-Man was always an iffy addition to the team. I want the rights to go to Disney because they'd put out a decent Spider-Man movie. That's what Disney seems to be doing, outside of the bigger Avengers picture, they make the best movie that they can for their super hero and I'd like to look forward to a Spider-Man movie for a change.

On the original topic: is anyone shocked? Anyone? Because I'm just going to say, even though I'm a pessimist, I called this movie being bad as soon as the Amazing Spider-Man came out. When Sony officially released that they weren't proud of their movie and were hoping the next one would be better. That's when I said "Bet you it sucks." So despite The Amazing Spider-Man 2 being predictably awful, what's important here is that I was right.

MrJoyless:

A_suspicious_cabbage:
And yet it's still probably the best spiderman movie to have ever been made.

Honestly, these 2 films are nowhere near as bad as you're making them out to be. They might not be as good as if Marvel were doing them, but bad films. They are not.

I watched this review just to see how far Bob would take his hate for ASM. He hated the first movie with such passion I honestly wondered what movie he watched. I am, just like Bob, a massive Spiderman fan. My first comic book ever was Amazing Spiderman 294 all the way back in 1987.

I just don't get all this anger, you have to modernize old ideas and old plot lines, its EXACTLY what Marvel has been doing for 70+ years running. I can understand some issues with franchise building, but come on, Captain America, Thor, etc are all franchise building blocks for Avengers movies. In fact each of the building block movies (with the exception of Ironman I) that preceded The Avengers was as good or maybe slightly better than ASM.

I wanted to see Spiderman swing past Captain America and smash the hell out of a bad guy too, but that tragically isn't going to happen. And no amount of voodoo hexing the ASM franchise will make it happen, Sony has Spider-Man...sigh

This isn't an issue with modernizing comic book characters. It's about taking such iconic characters and doing the most sub-par effort with them solely because their names draw people in.

As a fan it doesn't bother you that all the Spider-Man villains who use to have unique and individual backgrounds are now, as Sony is planning, just another science experiment by Oscorp? Or how even in the first movie every major element was connected to each other? Bob even pointed it out in his review of it.

Peter's dad just happened to work with Dr. Conner, who just happened to work for Oscorp, who just happened to be the same company that made the spider that gave Peter his powers (and who also made the webbing Peter used), who just happened to have Gwen as his lab assistant, who just happened to be the daughter of the chief of police.

This doesn't make create a growing universe. This shrinks it.

Yeah, this is pretty much how I felt when Halo started to try telling me what the Forerunners were like. Except that was more of a "meh, the universe that killed Star Wars for me just killed itself, now I have to make my own", and this sounds more like that one scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

JimB:
For instance, love of the roleplaying game Exalted was a pretty huge part of my life for ten or fifteen years, but a few years back, after trying so hard to navigate the train wreck of the game created by an entirely too eager system designer playtested by no one in particular and eight years of the series having no cohesive editorial oversight because the company was floundering and that no one involved just gave a shit about to the point that books were printed with text copied and pasted from the previous edition referencing mechanics that no longer exist...I just couldn't sustain my enthusiasm. Something broke inside me. I began to hate the line, the books (that is, the physical objects sitting on my shelf), and the community surrounding them. I'm still not totally over it. The game line is now being developed by a publisher that gives a damn, and the books are being written by the all-stars whose work was actually good, but I'm still not totally over it. I still kind of hate it.

And now I hope you're not serious. Look, I understand being bothered by problems with a line. They killed my favourite line of White Wolf books in part as a "fuck you" to the fans, because that's what White Wolf does. But the beautiful thing is, I still have those books. And now they're up on DTRPG, so I have those books in ebooks that I'll be able to keep for however much longer I manage to cheat death. I don't get the "they did something bad so now everything is retroactively ruined" mentality, and I'm kind of hoping I never will.

MrJoyless:

I just don't get all this anger, you have to modernize old ideas and old plot lines, its EXACTLY what Marvel has been doing for 70+ years running.

I think this has more to do with Bob's love for Raimi. Because a lot of the complaints he's made about both movies describe the Raimi trilogy, sans the "franchise-building" deal, which I get. And that's one of the things I've noticed about the people complaining about ASM and ASM 2: it's different when Sam Raimi does it. They were so into Sam Raimi's Not-Spider-Man that they seem to look for anything this movie does "wrong," even if Raimi's movies did the same. Because ponies.

Couldn't even get through the review. Could this be more whiney.. Krikey, I wish Roger Ebert was still around.

Zachary Amaranth:
And now I hope you're not serious.

I am.

Zachary Amaranth:
But the beautiful thing is, I still have those books.

So do I. I have those books that were badly written from the very first day, that were broken from the very first day, that no one in the managerial or oversight departments cared about from the first day; that I was dumb enough and naive enough to think could be made to work, like (if you'll forgive me for making a comparison that will no doubt seem to trivialize what I'm about to reference) a battered wife thinking loving her husband will stop him from beating her.

Zachary Amaranth:
I don't get the "they did something bad so now everything is retroactively ruined" mentality, and I'm kind of hoping I never will.

Look at a thing you love through a lens of betrayal, and everything good in it will seem like poison. This feeling will pass in time depending on how quickly you get over the wound, but while it exists, the feeling is real.

Damn. I knew Bob wasn't going to enjoy this movie, but damn. Just...damn.

By the way, those opening lines, about being in love with something and then having it tainted? That's how I'm worried I'm going to feel about Star Wars. Having 20+ years of my life suddenly ripped away in the E.U. hurt something fierce. Now, seeing the casting roster, I'm even more worried. I'm afraid the new Star Wars films are going to do the same thing to me that this Spider-Man film did to Bob.

Shirokurou:
Apparently people forgot just exactly how the Sam Raimi Spider-man movies were. Like...it wasn't really Spider-Man at that point. He changed most of the characters and etc. And Spider-man 3 anyone.

Amazing 2 was pretty good IMHO. Bob's thing...I actually don't even get what's wrong with him. I get him not liking a movie for reasons, but "breaking"? The guy's acting up. Hamming up IMHO.

Peter and Gwen here have chemistry and the Electro fights are epic. Harry Osborn...could and should have been dropped from the movie. But otherwise, it's a pretty good action flick.

Ya I don't think Bob likes the increasing influence of the Ultimate universe spider-man in the amazing spider-man movies.

I've always liked the ultimate universe though.

Fusioncode9:
How old is this man?

Somewhere between 3 and 99, but I'm not sure where in that spectrum.

OT: Really? This is the film that broke you, Bob?

And you didn't want to continue reviewing films because there'll be one you hate every years or so?

What is this?

I thought I got too upset about Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness, but holy wow.

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