Jimquisition: EA Access ... Denied

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Jimothy Sterling:
Aaaaaaand Electronic Arts proves Jimquisition's point within forty-seven minutes!

http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/11/5991063/madden-nfl-15-no-demo-ea-access

In the words of Timon...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuhgHzuPYiI

Jesus I guess this explains why I have gone from purchasing at least 2-3 games per month to 1 purchase every 3-4 months. I am just so burnt out of seeing all these Car Salesmen tactics. The purchases are usually along the lines of good indie titles such as shovel knight but even the indie scene and steam in general have become much more unattractive.

Thanatos2k:
What's most pathetic is you see Bowners defending this garbage simply because it's Bone only. And that's just sad seeing someone defend the (former) Worst Company in America. Don't they realize what they're doing to themselves?

Do you seriously believe EA when they claim they'll never shut off your access to the games? Are we just supposed to ignore a decade of EA shutting down games and servers and studios and apps and think they really mean it this time? They just shut down the FTP Ultima game, rendering any ACTUAL MONEY people spent on it null and void with no compensation.

EA is never, ever to be trusted.

I told people that eventually, some horrible company would start charging people for demos. And surprise surprise! EA is the one leading the charge. Wake up, people.

I kind of wait the day when Escapist mounts an invasion to EA with everything. Pitchforks, torches and a molotovs.

Jimothy Sterling:
Aaaaaaand Electronic Arts proves Jimquisition's point within forty-seven minutes!

http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/11/5991063/madden-nfl-15-no-demo-ea-access

In the words of Timon...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuhgHzuPYiI

That's a new record!

Wulfram77:
It's $5/$30. That doesn't require massive amounts of trust.

And, yeah, eventually they'll try to screw us. But they'll do that anyway. I don't see why it'll be worse with subscriptions.

And really, are we so enamoured of the current AAA publishing model? I'm not, so why fight to defend it? A subscription model could end up encouraging a less short term approach, if retaining customer loyalty becomes more important than covering holes in your cash flow with rushed releases.

It's less trying to preserve a shit system and more trying to stop it from sliding even further backwards. Besides a subscription model would most likely result in a drip feed of content, not an improvement of quality.

Caramel Frappe:
Only company, who hasn't betrayed me is Valve.

Half Life 2: Episode 3? "Every six months" my ass.

I avoid all this stuff by not owning consoles (wait, I'm not bashing consoles), EA, and Ubisoft. I also only buy games either through Steam, GOG.com, or direct from the developer. I include consoles because they are closed platforms controlled by two companies I don't trust too much, otherwise they are fine gaming platforms.
That means I don't play Assassin's Creed, or Mass Effect 3, but honestly I don't feel like I am losing that much. The only thing that I really miss is being able to play Rayman Legends, although if it comes to GOG.com then I will pick that up. The no Ubisoft rule only applies to titles requiring UPlay.
I know this doesn't work for everyone, but as the kind of gamer who is happy spending a whole weekend expanding my kingdom in Mount and Blade or spending my whole evening after work playing a turn based strategy game I find plenty of titles to keep me occupied.

It's depressive that you can't even trust a publishers subscription service anymore, if trust in your company is that low you're clearly doing something fatally wrong.

Thank god for the Sterling Jim. Yes this EA does look nice but in truth EA lost my trust years ago, but even if I still trusted the company I wouldn't subscribe because I'd feel they own me more then I own my games.

Caramel Frappe:
Gear Box (paying TimeGate Studio to make Aliens: Colonial Marines while they focused on using A:CM money from SEGA to make Borderlands)

Fixed that for you.

Jimothy Sterling:
The prophecy continues.... http://www.gamezone.com/news/2014/08/06/activision-could-pursue-ea-access-like-subscription-plan-once-model-is-proven

Jim! Predict a Planescape sequel! Predict a Mass Effect x Metroid crossover! Predict that studios will start developing a bunch of fighter jet and mech games so I can dust off my joystick!

Just get a PC and play the classic... Steam has sales and stuff and GOG and the masterpieces that wont disappoint , these are the only options left...

Jimothy Sterling:
The prophecy continues.... http://www.gamezone.com/news/2014/08/06/activision-could-pursue-ea-access-like-subscription-plan-once-model-is-proven

Well, it was nice knowing you AAA gaming but at this point I'm out.

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Because apart from the new Borderlands all your recent offerings can go eat a dick.

First i will never pay for demos - they are their to tempt us to buy the full game. Its why early access is awful - now it can work for some games, but alot of companies will abuse it. I think DLC is a good thing, well was a good thing, was great when it was an extra a few months after a game was released. Was a nice extra. Now DLC is now made as part of the original and advertised before the original game is even released. It seems more a cash grab than when DLC was first released years ago. Before it was something extra for the fans, a fun surprise, now they just take parts that fans want. The popular characters or levels.

cypher-raige:
Am I the only one who doesn't care about EA's games?
Another Madden, another FIFA, another game to rival CoD (BF/MoH), another disappointing Bioware game, ANOTHER Need for Speed game every. single. year, why is this franchise still alive?

Its a complete mystery to me too. The only reason I can think of is that the games are cheap. Story? No. script? no. Recycled content? yes.

Is anyone else having any problems with the video?, i can't get it to load/start
Edit:Nvm,i got it to work

I was having a problem with it for a while getting the video to run

at the end of the day, as long as it stays a good deal... It's fine. Believe me this looks like the jab back at Gamestop for used games sales devs kinda needed, You have ea access? here's the game early, and you paid that 10% less, that the used price would be.

30 bucks a year, to damn much, 5 bucks the month that a bunch of titles you want comes out, fine.

Once content becomes Exclusive you have to be ea access to do it like free games with PS+ Then the BS alarms and it's time to drop it.

Gamers might as well abuse it for what it's worth now tho.

Oh come on it can't be that ba-

Jimothy Sterling:
Aaaaaaand Electronic Arts proves Jimquisition's point within forty-seven minutes!
http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/11/5991063/madden-nfl-15-no-demo-ea-access

Oh...

Uh... Well, let's just calm down an-

Jimothy Sterling:
The prophecy continues.... http://www.gamezone.com/news/2014/08/06/activision-could-pursue-ea-access-like-subscription-plan-once-model-is-proven

Ooh...

Not sure it's decades old but I just thought the whole dangerous beast and miserable ends bit felt kind of applicable.
Also mini grey could be Minitiature Fantasy Willem Dafoe.

I think this is a good thing, I already enjoy the escapist subscription giving me early access to Jimquistion videos and also an exclusive behind the scenes look a the making of Jim. I must say its inspirational and at such a bargain price.

2010's the decade of walled gardens as consumerism marches proudly on.

With every major publisher having his Steam knock-off, there is good chance that they also will emulate the EA Access model.
But there is hope once the publishers start competing, they need to attract players and side-goodies will only net you so much loyality.
I hope there will be new drive to make quality games, with publishers competing over having the best game library and not just the best extras. I think most gamers are savvy enough to see through cheap attemps to gain their brand loyalty.

Was it just me, or did that Angry Sim look like she stabbed the Happy Sim with her cup? I hope I'm not the only one who saw that.

MarsAtlas:

Jim! Predict a Planescape sequel!

While not a sequel I think this is somewhat close to Planescape: Torment (I assume that's what you mean)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/torment-tides-of-numenera

Wulfram77:
It's $5/$30. That doesn't require massive amounts of trust.

And, yeah, eventually they'll try to screw us. But they'll do that anyway. I don't see why it'll be worse with subscriptions.

And really, are we so enamoured of the current AAA publishing model? I'm not, so why fight to defend it? A subscription model could end up encouraging a less short term approach, if retaining customer loyalty becomes more important than covering holes in your cash flow with rushed releases.

you do realize that they won't put up their newest games there, right?

Our glorious (and gloriously buggerable) Prophet! Sing for us!

Heavens above, these Access experiments look like a rotten future deal. At this rate, all I'll have left is Dwarf Fortress.

gyrobot:

Thanatos2k:
What's most pathetic is you see Bowners defending this garbage simply because it's Bone only. And that's just sad seeing someone defend the (former) Worst Company in America. Don't they realize what they're doing to themselves?

Do you seriously believe EA when they claim they'll never shut off your access to the games? Are we just supposed to ignore a decade of EA shutting down games and servers and studios and apps and think they really mean it this time? They just shut down the FTP Ultima game, rendering any ACTUAL MONEY people spent on it null and void with no compensation.

EA is never, ever to be trusted.

I told people that eventually, some horrible company would start charging people for demos. And surprise surprise! EA is the one leading the charge. Wake up, people.

I kind of wait the day when Escapist mounts an invasion to EA with everything. Pitchforks, torches and a molotovs.

I can already picture our valiant defense of the studios that still remains free.

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"Your path of ruin ends here, scum!"

I'd pay $30 a year to bum Jim.

But in all seriousness, yeah, I've figured this is the future, so instead of laying down my life for my corporate overlords, Imma make me and emulation box and live in the past.

Jim before you can say something is better than sex you should explain what sex is like so we have some basis to compare it to. Even describe what being kissed is like so those of us who haven't been kissed again have a basis. Also part of me loves how accurate you are but I'm also saddened because that just means we consumers are getting boned. Next time you have an accurate prophecy for us please make it a good one, we could use some good news every now and then, like a life preserver to keep our heads above the shit in the game industry's endless ocean of feces.

A very good video that adequately describes the problems with this "service". I actually also find it ridiculous that they are holding hostage games even more than before with "5 day early release". What so now the subscription members become bug testers even more so than the original paying customers have been in the past? But what else to expect?

But that aside, I have an addition to what your saying here Jim. Another very good reason to be skeptical is the same reason to be skeptical for any subscription, what you get out of it all the time, not just now. Most subscription services are completely predicated on users NOT using them. Its not about the money you spend when your buying games... which only saves the user about a dollar anyway... its about the money they get in the down periods. Its free money for no effort. What happens when they don't release a game for 4 - 6 months but your still paying for it? That's free money for EA. There is little real value for what they're giving. And I suspect they'll increase the price in a year or two with the same bullshit excuse, inflation. If inflation was so prevalent then companies wouldn't start they're pricing at very low prices all the time. I see no reason to fuel this for the reasons Jim gives, especially the possible standard it sets of everyone trying to charge for a premium priced service, and the one I've added.

That being said, what benefit does this serve when there are multiple store fronts that give games for roughly the same price with no stipulations attached and have ridiculous sales, such as Steam and GoG?

Loop Stricken:

Wulfram77:
It's $5/$30. That doesn't require massive amounts of trust.

And, yeah, eventually they'll try to screw us. But they'll do that anyway. I don't see why it'll be worse with subscriptions.

And really, are we so enamoured of the current AAA publishing model? I'm not, so why fight to defend it? A subscription model could end up encouraging a less short term approach, if retaining customer loyalty becomes more important than covering holes in your cash flow with rushed releases.

If I may approximate a Jimism, that's like saying "Ooh well they're gonna fuck us in the arse eventually so I might as well lube them with the moist demanding chasm of my mouth in the meantime"!

Madness.

I don't see the logic in refusing a pretty good deal on the grounds that it will cause water to run down hill, bears to defecate in the woods and the pope to convert to catholicism.

Being an inveterate critic of the status quo and an unthinking conservative makes no sense.

Man, I really wish I didn't have to pay for online services or multiplayer access or early release or pre-download...oh...wait...I don't...I game on a PC.

EDIT: To actually contribute:

Wulfram77:
I don't see the logic in refusing a pretty good deal on the grounds that it will cause water to run down hill, bears to defecate in the woods and the pope to convert to catholicism.

Being an inveterate critic of the status quo and an unthinking conservative makes no sense.

This is NOT a good deal for anyone but EA. Let's break it down.

Okay, 5 bucks a month. And you get some things that should be free already (early access, pre-download, demos, etc) and some things you'd have to pay for (games). But why do you think EA is giving you access to this stuff? What's their motivation?

MONEY. Any other motivation makes no sense. EA doesn't love you. They don't care if you're happy. They just want your money. So, apparently, that good deal you think you're getting, well, it's a better deal for EA.

Somehow, the people behind this project at EA convinced some shareholders that they would earn MORE money doing this than not doing this. This MUST mean, by extension, that if this service didn't exist, you'd give EA LESS money than you'd give them if this service did exist.

But how is that possible? You're getting free games, right?!? I mean, surely free games > 30 bucks a year? That short answer is no, the free games, for the VAST majority of people, will not be > 30 bucks a year. EA will pull all sorts of shenanigans to make sure you get little to no value out of your 30 bucks a month. You'll get games you already own, games you don't want to play, and games without DLC or pre-order content. That's all for sure. You might also get games missing key features. Say a version of Battlefield where you don't get to play Single Player at all, and you're limited to 1 type of map or 1 type of game mode. Things like that (although that last bit is pure speculation).

At the end of the day, the key thing to remember here is EA wants to give you LESS content for MORE money. If they suddenly come to your door and say "LOOK AT ALL THIS CONTENT! It's only 30 bucks a year! Isn't that super?" You can be 100% positive that nestled in that content somewhere is a giant turd sandwich. In fact, you can be pretty sure that the vast, overwhelming majority of that "content" IS a turd sandwich.

Just remember. EA doesn't care about ANYTHING except getting you to give them your money. This is NOT a good deal. How can we tell? If it was a good deal, EA wouldn't be offering it to you. It's that bloody simple.

Demonchaser27:
What happens when they don't release a game for 4 - 6 months but your still paying for it? That's free money for EA. There is little real value for what they're giving.

Exactly. I had no desire to buy any games for months now.

Another excellent analysis by Jim, I would have put more emphasis on the carving-up of content though (I know Jim talks about it a lot, but that's the name of the scheme, after all). Minimizing production (content) and maximizing pre-emptive cash flow (pre-orders and subscriptions) is the Holy Grail for media companies.

What a wonderful thing it would be for developers to vaguely offer "a big-name game" for $60, the "special edition" (i.e. full-but-not-really version) for $80, the "season pass" for an additional $30, and "online-mode" through its subscription service for $40 per month...effectively trickling-out a full experience shrewdly hinted at through vague PR's advertisements over the course of a year for $150 and minimal commitment to quality or content.

Oh wait, they've been doing this for years :D. Imagine how great it will be once we do away with retail altogether and just have subscriptions!

Wulfram77:
I don't see the logic in refusing a pretty good deal on the grounds that it will cause water to run down hill, bears to defecate in the woods and the pope to convert to catholicism.

Being an inveterate critic of the status quo and an unthinking conservative makes no sense.

You're pissing in the moat because it's convenient and a pretty good deal. But eventually you have to drink the water, and if everyone starts doing it...

Thanatos2k:

You're pissing in the moat because it's convenient and a pretty good deal. But eventually you have to drink the water, and if everyone starts doing it...

Best way to describe this I've ever seen...

Jimothy Sterling:
EA Access ... Denied

Welcome to an incoming age of subscriptions, subscriptions everywhere!

Watch Video

You were right EA is already locking crap out unless you subscribe and EA Access isn't even out of the starting game yet., like the ability to see if their Games are total crap.

Madden NFL 15 won't be playable early unless you pay for EA Access (update)

Update: While EA initially declined to comment on the reasons for the lack of a Madden 15 demo, an EA representative reached out to Polygon after the publication of this story with the following statement to provide some additional context: "The difficult decision not to do a demo for Madden was strictly a result of the team's commitment to deliver the highest-quality game possible. We chose to put 100 percent of our development resources toward the full game."

http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/11/5991063/madden-nfl-15-no-demo-ea-access

EA lost me when you basically said "subscription service on top of a subscription service." Well actually if I'm being honest, EA lost me as soon as I heard "EA," but subscription service on top of a subscription service? Fuck that.

Spot on once again, thank you kind sir and fuck you EA, I have no need for your garbage pail services.

EA doesn't offer enough to me for this to even seem attractive. If you don't play modern FPS games, it's a waste. If EA puts out a game I'm interested in, I buy it only when I know it's worth my money, and you don't tend to get any DLC money out of me. It's not even a trust thing with EA for me, it's a lack of good games that keeps me away. They may release one game a year I'm interested in, if that.

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