Zero Punctuation: Spiderman: Web of Shadows

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I like the part where Yahtzee insulted his audience at the end by calling us nerds, which in retrospect, isnt exaactly an insult as it is very true.

This one was definitely enjoyable, and it's nice to see that Yahtzee isn't going for the obvious choice/most requested choice, ala Super Smash Brothers Brawl.

Chaotic Neutral, but about 2 points on the axis away from kitten stabbingly evil :P

It's so tempting to be Chaotic Neutral, isn't it? Makes you look so cool and badass. And it would kind of fit a quick description of Yahtzee.

But he hurts games because he loves them. Loves them (and us?) too much to be really Chaotic.

So what would I say? I'd say it was quite a good review, but Saint's Row is still my all-time favorite, I guess.

solidstatemind:
I ROFL'd at the blackface comment. And at the risk of dipping my toes in the sucking vortex of meaningless internet debate, I had no problem with either that or the use of the word 'faggot'. (yeah, I laughed at that too)

Well, I guess that says a whole lot about you then really doesn't it.

There is a line, and there are a smattering of things in this review that are somewhat overstepping it - it's not just the use of the word 'faggot', it's the context of how it was used. But i'm guessing that went way over your head too.

The Amazing Orgazmo:
I like the part where Yahtzee insulted his audience at the end by calling us nerds, which in retrospect, isnt exaactly an insult as it is very true.

How dare he! He's nerdphobic! :P

xtreme_phoenix:
I wonder if he's played ultimate spiderman. now that game was awesome sauce.

Agreed. The problem was it was way too short.

Well, Anything is better than the movies

meh, game sucked review sucked. yes, why WOULD you review a game everyone is now playing(killzone2). lets review a game no one was playing WHEN IT WAS NEW! fucking asshole.

solidstatemind:
Yes, 'faggot' can be an offensive word. However, virtually any word can be made to offend someone. It seems to me that people are hell-bent on being hypersensitive and that it is completely wrong to try to try to eliminate any incident ever of using a word or an image that might offend someone. You'll spend the rest of your life trying to be 'politically correct' and to not hurt anyone else's feelings, and odds are, it will cripple your ability to communcate clearly and effectively for you to have to monitor yourself so closely.

This is not to say that continuous use (ergo abuse) of such a word should be tolerated, but as another poster pointed out, I don't recall Yahtzee using it before; therefore, I would argue that if you're really offended by this incident, you're either a) hypersensitive to the word (which is really not Yahtzee's problem), or b) not really a fan of ZP (again, really not Yahtzee's problem) since you are intimating that your enjoyment of the material as a whole is somehow ruined by that one, single word.

You know, if you really are offended, hey, that's your right. Feel free to react by not watching anymore. But considering the rather ironic fact that you made no mention of being offended by the racial slur, I think just maybe you are being a little oversensitive here and are not really concerned with politeness or proper behavior so much as not being offended yourself.

This is simple, for me personally. The blackface bit around 1:37 I did not go into because I saw it, noted it, and immediately filed it under satire in my mind. Maybe the humor wasn't to my taste, but it was satire nonetheless, and it still held some comedic value in its message, in my opinion. It felt like a "are you paying attention to my text" bit, where he was being "edgy" and ironic. I did not mention my thoughts about it before because I did not think about it; it wasn't in the same category for me, despite being potentially offensive to someone.

You are right. If you walk around worrying about who is going to be offended, or become one of those people who are offended by everything themselves you are going to be a real miserable person. But if you lie down and just let everything roll over you, whether or not it makes you comfortable, then what are you? I personally can't respect either person, or identify with being either person. In this case, I really like and respect Yahtzee's work, and it means a great deal to me, especially insofar as he has been given a carte blanche to say whatever he wants using whatever words and ideas he wants in his writing/animations. I want him to continue being as intelligent, funny, and shocking as he can, and challenge the gaming community to be as critical as it can.

Now I'll reiterate my thoughts about the other, in case I wasn't clear. I didn't feel the ironic edginess there, when he used the word 'faggot'. I just felt like he was falling into language that didn't suit the intelligent being I have been compelled obsessively to watch since he came to the Escapist and before. Didn't match up. Wasn't worthy of him to use that word, that way. So I was disappointed. And I am going to agree with people who have said we don't have the right to use that word casually, because I don't feel it has been reclaimed. When someone says it in a game chat it's like listening to a 11 year old kid swear, emulating his or her older siblings by saying shocking, offensive words in a place where anonymity "protects" them. The meaning implied behind it does not feel synonymous with stupid or dumb even if someone has fooled themselves into thinking so, and they always get reported/immediately blocked by me. And its message holds too much hate still. Words hold power, and are harder than any stick or stone I've come across. And there are ways to reclaim an offensive word, or image, or idea, and I'm all for that. In this case, in my opinion, this wasn't one of them, and felt more like a brief moment of a shoddy bit of writing that stood out because quality the rest of the writing contradicted it. And that includes the blackface part. And yes, I will stand by that even if someone tries to say what a hypocrite I am, not being all or nothing about Every slur ever written or created. A slur is a complex thing, and reclaiming it to change its meaning is an even more complex thing.

And I apologize if I want to drive Yahtzee to be better, more intelligent, more crafty, and yes, more edgy in his writing than his readership, or than gamers can be in general. How many people out there who game are making what Yahtzee is making? But I'll speak up if I feel his quality is slipping, and yes if I am disappointed or offended by a way he used a word. Go ahead, sir, make your slurs, use as many bad words as you can find. But they damn well better be superior quality, heavily ironic, and with the full force of your powerful intellect that we have come to expect from you. And I am coming back, and I'll be watching you more than ever, to make sure you deliver. Because it is true that with using one word poorly you haven't fallen to mediocrity. Not yet anyways. I have hope for you, arrogant though that is.

played Spiderman 1 - HATED IT, played Spiderman 2 - LOVED IT - Spiderman 2 may have been the first game where I actually fully agreed with 100% of his analysis - I was recently wondering if I should get one of the new spiderman games, so I guess that answers that

to people complaining this is racist/sexist/notthegreatestthingever - THIS IS ZERO PUNCTUATION!!!!...???;' - it's supposed to be offensive(ly funny) - it's the same as when he said people were demanding scores for games - if you don't like it GO READ ANOTHER REVIEW - the only game I let this influence my opinion on was Saints Row 2, which I bought because of him and I LOVE IT - and I LOVE YAHTZEE - Marry me?

I happened to like this game, I do agree Spider-Man 2 was just about the best Spider-Man game though...

The bit about the city "bum-fucking" the processor was probably my favorite part. Got a really good laugh from that one.

Good review as always.

Haha I agree, developers are going a bit overboard with the whole "morality-based" player-influenced plot progression.
And yes, we know Spidey started out as little more than a lanky, introverted little squirt but by now he should have toughened up enough to at least perform his superhero duties with some semblance of professionalism and respectability.

Nice work Yahtzee, brought back much of my interest after the odd couple-episdoe slump.
(So kill me, I prefer it when he totally destroys the overhyped, mainstream titles on the market.)

Can't be Chaotic Neutral, as it doesn't exist anymore.

Edit: neener, neener!

love ya work mate, keep it up. oh and killzone 2 and sf4 arn't that bad. catch ya later

How ironic i was justing think was this game a hit or was it like every Punisher movie that came out in THIS CENTURY

Y'know, I miss reviews for games from this decade, or ones that matter.

Lovely. Funny as always.

And I say: Chaotic Good, or in 4E terms simply Good. My reasons:
*Favors an experimental approach (Chaotic)
*Mocks established trends and rules (Chaotic)
*Highly unpredictable (Chaotic)
*Hopes that someone will listen to him and actually start making halfway-decent games (Good)
*Seeks to create rather than destroy (Good)

Thank you for not reviewing KillZone 2 or Street Fighter 4, they've been done to death and frankly, you've already grilled shooters and fighters to death by now. The 'and now for something completely different' reviews are great.

Chaotic Nuetral?
I'd say Lawful Evil.

Have there been ANY Spiderman games since Spiderman 2 that offered the awesome webswinging action? I would fucking cum to see that sort of thing in a new (cross my fingers) more robust game. Never loved Spiderman as much as I did when I played 2 for that simple reason.

sevenrings:
Have there been ANY Spiderman games since Spiderman 2 that offered the awesome webswinging action? I would fucking cum to see that sort of thing in a new (cross my fingers) more robust game. Never loved Spiderman as much as I did when I played 2 for that simple reason.

Well, Ultimate Spider-Man is pretty good. The core web-swinging is a bit simpler, but still very fun. Also, Venom.

so with all the Baldurs Gate references, why not do a review on them? they might be the best games ever made? :D

I LMAO'd pretty hard on this one.

You really hate games with numbers don't you? Maybe Heavy Rain will be your thing.

Yahtzee my good man, I owe you a beer.

inventor:

Abominus:

inventor:
Gee,a bad movie-spin-of-game. suprising, or not! I knew that just by reading the title, and looking at the box!

there's a movie about Web of Shadows? must have missed that.....

Isen't this game about the third movie, or at least to some degree based on the film? ;)
However it's a spin-of-geme and those are always lame!

No its nothing to do with Spider-Man 3. Its about the Symbiote War storyline, something which was done before on the Dreamcast Spider-Man game. Just they have Symbioted (its a word, trust me >.> ) some different people this time around. The whole thing with him in the dark suit is that he takes some of it back from venom so he can fight the symbiotes.

As for spin-offs always being lame, I'll definitely agree with you on the movie ones, except for Chronicles of Riddick : Escape from Butcher Bay.

Way to review a game everyone cares about...

Abominus:

inventor:

Abominus:

inventor:
Gee,a bad movie-spin-of-game. suprising, or not! I knew that just by reading the title, and looking at the box!

there's a movie about Web of Shadows? must have missed that.....

Isen't this game about the third movie, or at least to some degree based on the film? ;)
However it's a spin-of-geme and those are always lame!

No its nothing to do with Spider-Man 3. Its about the Symbiote War storyline, something which was done before on the Dreamcast Spider-Man game. Just they have Symbioted (its a word, trust me >.> ) some different people this time around. The whole thing with him in the dark suit is that he takes some of it back from venom so he can fight the symbiotes.

As for spin-offs always being lame, I'll definitely agree with you on the movie ones, except for Chronicles of Riddick : Escape from Butcher Bay.

Ah well my bad. ._.
Id never bin much for comic books, so i dunno witch one follows witch story line, it's all a mess for me. I see a black thing and think of spide 3.
But still i knew it was bad just by looking at the box, it says; 1 activision, 2 spiderman.

Yeah, many says that Chronicles of Riddick : Escape from Butcher Bay are quite good. But then why shouldn't it be it's from Sweden, like me! ^_^

I played the game myself because 1. I'm a spiderman fan and 2. I liked the idea of beating up my favorite spiderman villian(Venom) while wearing the infamous "black suit". Seeing as my dream was fulfilled I then started to question the game's voice acting, combat, and need to break up fights?

it was a great review, im not bothered what game you review as long as it's funny tbh

I am actually glad Yahtzee reviewed this game because honestly it got overlooked this holiday season. It actually was'nt a bad game like most of you are assuming. I think after the terrible Spiderman 3, an Friend or Foe that is what people guessed is that Web of Shadows sucked too. But if you actually tried the game you would find that its combat is fun, its web slinging is also fun. An basically the game is just pure fun. Now I wont say its perfect. Like Yahtzee says they focused a bit too much on combat an cut out the races an other types of sidequests. This is unfortunate as otherwise it might have been the perfect Spiderman game.

Now I fear though that because this game got overlooked instead of getting credit where it was due they will pass the Spiderman license back off to some terrible developer an the next Spiderman game really will be crap again.

Its true that there are too many sequels today, but thats just because of the big companys like EA who is all about the money. So if it is easier to just make a sequel by improving graphics a bit, then they'll do it

Beating up prople is what make games, Games so if Spider man is your thing feel free beating up old ladies

Oh my gosh, I LOVE spider-man 2 the movie the game. Definitely a winner with high replay value, the replay value being that you will never get tired of the amazing web-slinging mechanics, and finding all the help-tokens, and all the crime-base tokens, etc etc. So many good factors in a game just makes it so there's always something to come back to that you may not have done yet. Granted, some of those things may fall under the "Hundred Percent Completion" category, but isn't it worth it to be able to swing around the city for as much time as possible?

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