Point Scam Costs Microsoft $1.2 Million

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Baresark:
You can also buy cards at store locations that are redeemable in the PSN store. It's like a gift card. I know the system has it's uses. I just completely disagree with how they run it. It wouldn't be bad if they didn't have things on XBL that cost odd numbers of points. That is really my only gripe with the system. If everything cost some denomination that was either a point card value or was a divisible amount that resulted in not having left over points, that is where the system would not be a ripoff for some things. I did only find out today, thanks to a post here, that you have to buy a minimum amount of $5 worth of account credit, so PSN is no better.

On a happy note, I heard they are making a version of Steam for consoles. Everyone wins there.

Region locking is a hassle. I wanted to buy a gift for my girlfriend who was doing a school semester in London, and what a headache that turned into. In order to not get killed on shipping, I ordered through Amazon.uk only to have a huge headache trying to get the transaction to go through. In regards to what we are talking about, region locking consoles is completely stupid. All it does is prevent people from having access to a systems whole library. Not that everyone speaks every language, but I think you understand what I am saying.

I hear ya man, but it's still silly to say that because if you're even semi serious about your gaming you'll spend those leftover points eventually anyway. If I buy a 1200 card to buy an 800 point game I'll do that then probably spend the other 400 on DLC a week later, if the DLC is 560 I'll buy another 1200 card, pay the 560, have 1140 leftover. Like sure I have stuff leftover but it will eventually be spent so nothing's ever "lost" in that regard.

I agree that being frugal is a virtue, but am I really that hard up that I find it an afront by paying an extra five quid *now* instead of in a month's time when I plan on using it?

Baresark:

Deshin:

Baresark:
This is perfect. They like to try and rip people off for money by using their stupid point system. It would be one thing everything was sold by specific point card denominations, but they sell things at odd point values, so there is always a little left over, or your just a little bit short. It's underhanded. That is probably the only way PSN is superior to XBL. It sucks they got ripped off, but at the same time, I'm not really sorry. I'm not condoning it, but I won't shed a tear for them.

I HATE these arguments. Most of the stuff adds up to being the same value and will round off in the long run. (it's either 80, 180, 400, 560, 800, or 1200 values for things) If I want something that costs more than what I have I just buy a 2100 points card and I have points all ready and waiting for my next purchase I'll make within the next few weeks anyway. If penny pinching DLC and Arcade titles is THAT big a deal, then obviously you're not the target audience.

My argument aside. Why do people defend this point system. Explain to me how points are equal or better than just using strait money. My room mate, he needs more MS Points, so he punches in his CC number and buys more. Then they are converted from money to points which he always has some floating around anyway. I want to buy a game on PSN, I put in my CC number and pay the exact amount for it. It's the same thing with Steam.

Microsoft aint stupid. They sell the points and price things very carefully. They know you will have some left over. Its not a coincidence the cost of things for your avatar pretty much all fall within the brackets of your "change" cos if even a small percentage of people buy something for their avatar with their change then microsoft get more money.

I am fully aware of this and even I am guilty of it. When it comes down to it. if I decide to spend a tenner or 20 quid on some dlc I dont care about my change. Microsoft bank on this.

Also, most isn't all. By your own admission there are things that do not fit into this point system. And what does penny pinching have to do with any of it? I know you are simply seeking to be insulting, but even you can see there are flaws in this system. It's literally completely irresponsible to not worry about money. Not all of us have money that we can just throw at things without worry about where the next check comes from.

The Zango:
So the threads on 4chan were real? But seeing as I'm a Ps3 gamer it doesn't really matter to me, but still, you've got to admire the ingenuity of hackers these days.

damn, I wish I saw those

Baresark:
My argument aside. Why do people defend this point system. Explain to me how points are equal or better than just using strait money. My room mate, he needs more MS Points, so he punches in his CC number and buys more. Then they are converted from money to points which he always has some floating around anyway. I want to buy a game on PSN, I put in my CC number and pay the exact amount for it. It's the same thing with Steam.

It's to make things easier across different countries with different currencies. Rather than having to come-up with 50 different prices for every single product for each country, they can just assign a flat Point value to the product and only have to worry about pricing the points. That way, rather than having to price hundreds of products across multiple currencies, they just need to worry about balancing the cost for each point.

The reason you are limited to $5 transactions or buying "points" is because a cc transaction costs money. Thus, if you were to credit an acount with $.01 it would cost ms more in the transaction than you just gave them. Its a big problem in all retail, there is a cost to having money too - you need a safe, someone to come with a van to pick up/drop off and then all the risk of it being stolen....

Ok, having accounts with "points" rather than currency does seem an extra step, on the other hand since we are talking a worldwide service perhaps having a universal fictitious currency sits better than forcing people to work out how many US$ are to <local currency> this week.

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