Hackers Offer PSN Credit Cards For Sale

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From Sony Q&A
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/27/qa-1-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services/

Q: Was my credit card data taken?
A: While all credit card information stored in our systems is encrypted and there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained.While we do ask for CSC codes, we do not store them in our database.

its getting annoying how everyone's gone all hate (well at lest that's all I'm seeing) on Sony when it could as easily be another company

madiba127:

its getting annoying how everyone's gone all hate (well at lest that's all I'm seeing) on Sony when it could as easily be another company

Sony was the watchdog that didn't do its job here, they damned well do deserve to be torn down a few pegs for this. If it happened to MS or Nintendo or any other company, the same would be true for them. That's not to say that those companies are immune to this, but if we don't respond, and respond strongly against the company that DID let it happen, what's to make them (and the others) tighten their security so that it doesn't happen again? If people weren't flipping out about this, Sony would have just as much incentive to protect this information in the future as they did two weeks ago, and look how that turned out.

I am just so very glad that I never used a credit card on PSN.

Outcast107:
I found it quiet funny how a lot of sony fanboys say its not Sony fault they got hack and we should help them out. Excuse me for saying this, but I call BS. If this was MS everyone would saying "LOL MS suxs you get what you pay for!" But no, since this is "Sony" they get all the special treatment which shouldn't be. They lost ALL their users info and kept it hidden for about a week. If this was any other company (not just gaming companies) and this happen I"m sure everyone would be piss off and would get rid of them in a heart beat. So don't tell me I have to feel sorry for sony for their own screw ups.

If it was Microsoft I would be saying the very same thing though I can only speak for myself.

Nobody is saying Sony didn't screw up. I am merely saying that the punishment they will incur for being hacked is more than sufficient - we don't need thousands of angry people, too lazy to cancel their credit cards, screaming over nothing and demanding more blood.

Thedek:
Yes because if someone suddenly starts buying things with my money, that I don't even have at that, I'm not a victim. It's my fault. Maybe we shouldn't pointlessly kick them when they are down but they don't deserve much sympathy for being this bloody inept and everything I have been told leads me to believe that they were in fact inept. They were so sure that no one could get past the moat of their grand castle to hire guards, or to lock, or indeed even shut the door to their gold vault.

Was your private banking information, password and all, stolen? No, it was your credit card information, possibly without CVV. Cancel your card and that's that. You are being a massive drama queen.

I doubt you have both the knowledge and experience to judge that Sony are "this bloody inept", and the same goes for the journalists who have been covering this story. No digital security system is unassailable against hackers.

Thedek:
I'm not sure if you are a terribly unintelligent fanboy or a troll.

Now that just seems like a rather unnecessary thing to say, doesn't it?

Thedek:
They still do deserve a few lawsuits for being this incompetent and negligent but yes there will be way too many people suing looking for a payday, and that's unfortunate.

No lawsuits are required. There are authorities in place to deal with the mishandling of personal information and they do their job much better than a mob.

IronicBeet:
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Did you just tell me to stop whining about having my money stolen? I agree that we shouldn't be too hard on Sony for this (Though we definitely shouldn't just not hold them accountable) but how fucking dare you say that I'm WHINING when I get mad about my fucking cash being at risk because a company fucked up bad.

I'll just quote what I replied above:

Was your private banking information, password and all, stolen? No, it was your credit card information, possibly without CVV. Cancel your card and that's that. You are being a massive drama queen.

IronicBeet:
And you call us ungrateful? Are you serious? I don't think getting mad at a company for being incompetent enough to let somebody commit mass identity theft is being ungrateful. "Hey, I may have had my money and possibly personal safety put at risk, but at least Sony isn't physically coming to my house and sticking a vacuum cleaner up my ass. Stop whining, you guys! It's so selfish!"

Ridiculous.

That last bit was quite funny, thank you.

If a person could commit identity theft from merely knowing someone's personal information then online directory sites (not to mention phonebooks) would be illegal.

The problem with your reasoning is that all the focus is on yourself. Since there's money involved, I can understand that, but it's childish. Nothing has happened to you. Calling your bank will prevent anything from happening to you. A more accurate quote would be: "Hellfire and damnation! Because of Sony I have to cancel my credit card! They'll burn for this!"

To all people who quoted me (To lazy and don't have enough time to go through each quote)

When I first said speical treatment I merely ment the fanboys who believe the users of PS3 shouldn't get angry at sony at all since they were hack. Now, I do feel bad that sony got hack but you sort of lose that sorryiness when you lost all your user's information. I know companies get hack all the time but this big? Come on that a bit hard to believe in my opinion.

Also when I ment if this happen to xbox, their just seem to be a lot more hate on MS then Sony in my opinion around here. Which I get annoyed that I can't simply go to a forum to look up information about stuff without seeing comment after comment how about one system is better then the other. Or just elitelist in general. (Looking at you PC users.)

I am a bit worried of the future of gaming. I don't think the entire gaming world would dissapper due to Sony (PS3 at least) going under but what would happen to the gaming companies who work with just PS3? Who would filled the void of Sony? Time will only tell and I'm sure PS3 would somehow come out of this but I firmly believe if they do they will get have gotten hit hard and probalby wont have many excluises as they are use to or will make their users pay for online like xbox.

Akihiko:
Either that or just completely removing my card off the system as soon as I use it. Was trying to remove the card on my xbox live account, but it's tied to my subscription, and so I need to phone them up to cancel the subscription so I can remove the card. -.-

That's what I did on Wednesday. Even though they say their servers are safe, Microsoft are just as much at risk as Sony was, now that something like this has been pulled off successfully by the hacker community.
I still had two months left on my current XBL Gold subscription, but I had it cancelled just the same in order to remove my credit card info from the system. Luckily, the nice lady from customer support managed to get me my money back, so everything worked out fine.

I just hope the hackers won't be interested in my personal info they got off the PSN, seeing how no credit card info is in there. Still... the concept of ID theft scares me.

cocoro67:
Hopefully the Hackers who shall be enjoying a nice lawsuit along with more if they get caught.

Honestly, if the identity/identities of the hacker(s) in question is ever found out, I believe it's highly likely someone would actually kill them. Rather quickly, too.

Just wanna play some FIFA online damn it..
Everyone should cancel their PSN linked cards..
But to be honest everyone should use cards with online use only in the first place..
I would never use my real credit card with my savings on the internet.
Sorry lads but if you use a card with no limit and loads of cash in order to buy stuff that cost 5$ or 10$ you are fucking lazy and crazy..

Outcast107:
To all people who quoted me (To lazy and don't have enough time to go through each quote)

When I first said speical treatment I merely ment the fanboys who believe the users of PS3 shouldn't get angry at sony at all since they were hack. Now, I do feel bad that sony got hack but you sort of lose that sorryiness when you lost all your user's information. I know companies get hack all the time but this big? Come on that a bit hard to believe in my opinion.

Not too long ago Amazon.com was hacked in similar fashion. It was a pretty big story, though I can't find a proper article atm to see what happened. The fact that Sony's security was hacked, well, no one should be angry at that. Nothing is hack proof, and if a group or a really determined hacker wants to, they can continue trying until they get the desired result. If there is something that Sony DID do wrong here is lie to us saying it was just "outage, chill, we'll be back by monday" and then tell us what really happened some days later.

I completely agree in that respect. Sony fucked up with customer notification. But to say "Sony's security is shit" is a little retarded, no one knows how long these people might have been at this. Think about it, the PS3 has been out for several years and only now in the past few months has it been cracked open. That's pretty damn decent security if you ask me.

Also when I ment if this happen to xbox, their just seem to be a lot more hate on MS then Sony in my opinion around here. Which I get annoyed that I can't simply go to a forum to look up information about stuff without seeing comment after comment how about one system is better then the other. Or just elitelist in general. (Looking at you PC users.)

PC elitists understandably have a bone to pick with consoles. PC was always the main development platform ever since Commodore 64 and such. So suddenly when this generation came around, they weren't the favorites anymore. Instead of getting a proper version of say, Gears of War, they got the same game, no improvements, nothing to work with modding wise, controls were mapped horribly and there was no support for the many bugs that plagued it. Now, of course Gears of War is probably one of the worst PC ports ever made.. but it's an on going trend. Hardly anything is really MADE FOR PC anymore. It's not how it used to be, this is why they're mad.

I am a bit worried of the future of gaming. I don't think the entire gaming world would dissapper due to Sony (PS3 at least) going under but what would happen to the gaming companies who work with just PS3? Who would filled the void of Sony? Time will only tell and I'm sure PS3 would somehow come out of this but I firmly believe if they do they will get have gotten hit hard and probalby wont have many excluises as they are use to or will make their users pay for online like xbox.

It's reasonable to believe that the PS3 will be hit hard in terms of PR, future sales, and it'll be tough for them to get some people back. But something like this won't effect the amount of exclusives or making paid online subscriptions mandatory. They'd probably actually be sued worse than this if they did try to make Playstation Plus mandatory since it'd be false advertising.

You seem like an intelligent person, Skopintsev, which is why I must point out that you erroneously used the word "effect" instead of "affect". I'm bored.

Well i hope people will learn from this and stop having their credit cards online.

HankMan:
Someone needs to held accountable

Do you do anything but post lame puns?

Anyway, well this is slightly irritating...

YunikoYokai5:

Misho-:
Are debit cards at risk? I mean it's a silly question but I used a Debit Card, not a Credit card to purchase stuff. Well at any rate this made me feel real bad... I feel nausea now.

Yeah, debit cards are at risk too. Never used my new one on PSN so I'm safe, the one on PSN has expired XD I believe Debit has the advantage of having a 250 limit per transaction without a call from your bank to verify it.

You can withdraw 300 from a cash machine a day with it, too.

spartandude:
So its now confirmed they were able to get into sony's encrypted data as well and access card data? ouch Sony fucked up big time.

Where was this confirmed? After monitoring most news concerning this story for the past week, it's still yet to be confirmed.

This story doesn't confirm it. Nothing has confirmed it. Like many others have stated, what's stopping some random dickhead from claiming to have information and trying to scam criminals out of money?

And seriously, why would they try to sell it back to Sony? Or hell, post it themselves anywhere on the internet that they're selling it, if it were the real hackers.

It's a load of crock and sensationalist reporting.

That being said, I'm glad the only card I had on there is expired two years, and I had the info removed awhile back, and I was just operating in pre-paid cards. If nothing else, this teaches people to take proper precautions.

Everybody should cancel their current cards and get new ones because this is quite serious and it's better to be more cautious with this type of information than not. (i use a 360 and even i'm shocked)

Oh...fuck.

Skopintsev:

Outcast107:
To all people who quoted me (To lazy and don't have enough time to go through each quote)

When I first said speical treatment I merely ment the fanboys who believe the users of PS3 shouldn't get angry at sony at all since they were hack. Now, I do feel bad that sony got hack but you sort of lose that sorryiness when you lost all your user's information. I know companies get hack all the time but this big? Come on that a bit hard to believe in my opinion.

Not too long ago Amazon.com was hacked in similar fashion. It was a pretty big story, though I can't find a proper article atm to see what happened. The fact that Sony's security was hacked, well, no one should be angry at that. Nothing is hack proof, and if a group or a really determined hacker wants to, they can continue trying until they get the desired result. If there is something that Sony DID do wrong here is lie to us saying it was just "outage, chill, we'll be back by monday" and then tell us what really happened some days later.

I completely agree in that respect. Sony fucked up with customer notification. But to say "Sony's security is shit" is a little retarded, no one knows how long these people might have been at this. Think about it, the PS3 has been out for several years and only now in the past few months has it been cracked open. That's pretty damn decent security if you ask me.

I'm not saying we should be mad at that they got hack. I say we should be mad that if they had their user info just as plain text with nothing else to block access to it, then thats what the PS users should be mad at. If I put my trust into a company and they do little to protect my info then I should have the right to be angry that they didn't at least put up a better block on this stuff.

Also when I ment if this happen to xbox, their just seem to be a lot more hate on MS then Sony in my opinion around here. Which I get annoyed that I can't simply go to a forum to look up information about stuff without seeing comment after comment how about one system is better then the other. Or just elitelist in general. (Looking at you PC users.)

PC elitists understandably have a bone to pick with consoles. PC was always the main development platform ever since Commodore 64 and such. So suddenly when this generation came around, they weren't the favorites anymore. Instead of getting a proper version of say, Gears of War, they got the same game, no improvements, nothing to work with modding wise, controls were mapped horribly and there was no support for the many bugs that plagued it. Now, of course Gears of War is probably one of the worst PC ports ever made.. but it's an on going trend. Hardly anything is really MADE FOR PC anymore. It's not how it used to be, this is why they're mad.[/quote]

True, but then again most games in my opinion won't work with PC type gaming. I also on a type of Dawn of War 2 forum and when they release that they were going to do a 3rd person hack/slash game for the console people flip out on them and sign a petition for PC port. To me this is a bit childish as the company (Relic) is trying to expand its user fan base by going to console for this type of game. They are amazing (in my opinion) RTS makers and this is probably their first game for console (Beside The Outfit which was a ok/meh game). Though I do see that they get the short end of the stick at times with ports but at the same time I don't belive they should be push into making a PC port if they choose not to at the start.

But what I was mostly talk about is the fanboys who will aruge about which console is better and will not listen to any other side but their own. This is what annoyes me that I get downgraded by some random person on the internet due to what console I own. There no need for that and is mostly pointless.

I am a bit worried of the future of gaming. I don't think the entire gaming world would dissapper due to Sony (PS3 at least) going under but what would happen to the gaming companies who work with just PS3? Who would filled the void of Sony? Time will only tell and I'm sure PS3 would somehow come out of this but I firmly believe if they do they will get have gotten hit hard and probalby wont have many excluises as they are use to or will make their users pay for online like xbox.

It's reasonable to believe that the PS3 will be hit hard in terms of PR, future sales, and it'll be tough for them to get some people back. But something like this won't effect the amount of exclusives or making paid online subscriptions mandatory. They'd probably actually be sued worse than this if they did try to make Playstation Plus mandatory since it'd be false advertising.[/quote]

I do not know what holds for the PS3 though I don't see anything good to come from it. They will have to do something to make up for the loss. If they don't have good PR or have poor sales then how else will they make up the money? They will also probably have to upgrade their secerity to make people who do stay with them happy and make sure they don't get hack this badly again. Though if you can think if they can do something to make it up for the loss from getting sue and losing sales then please share.

Captchi: Small singlop

The situation is FUBAR

That's why we buy prepaid cards.
If this crosses over to my Steam account though I'm royally boned.

Network hacked? account info stolen? Sounds a lot like http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/xbox-live-hacked-accounts-stolen/131

And with that I leave this speculation, as the xbox is still alive (kinda) and kicking (when it isn't dying a lot)

Sony will be fine.

Whew...glad I cancelled my old card. I cannot afford this crap right now.

Anyone by this time that has sat on their hands and not done diddly with their bank account are asking to get robbed. There hasn't even been a bank holiday since day one of PSN getting shut down.
Unless Sony is lying through their teeth and asking for legitimate arguments for lawsuits against them, they have already stated the three digit code for credit and debit cards is not saved on their servers and therefore not there to be stolen by the perps. That alone gives the lie to whoever is trying to sell any info. This is more likely just some copycat trying to cash in on people's ignorance on what is going on, helped by the fact that PSN is still down and unavailable for confirmation on what info is really in there. It's sucks for Sony that they had this happen, but they are looking just as bad as the hackers every day that they aren't giving some way for customers to access their accounts.

Cry Wolf:
Heh, almost makes me feel better about buying an Xbox 360.

Almost.

Yeah, I wouldn't be so smug about that. PSN accounts aren't a guarantee to find CC info since it isn't a charged subscription. If someone were to get into Microsoft's LIVE accounts, it would be a real coup. People are already phishing gamers for their info on Live as we speak. Then there is that whole Microsoft has a reputation of being crap for digital security anyway. I would be buying points at the store, and if possible keep your CC info off of Live.

Vanbael:
Its the credit card company's time to shine now.

What color is the sky in your world? Credit card companies put 100% of the burden on clients to take care of their own account. Everyone who had their accounts stolen is going to be having a very bad day for more than a year. They will have the burden of presenting what evidence they can to show that any fraudulent transactions weren't made by them, and then their credit score is going to go into the toilet, preventing any wonderful summer vacations anybody had planned to go away. As well as some people's homes and jobs. Credit reporting firms are even less responsive than Credit Card companies.
Whoever did this is a real piece of work. If and when they get caught they are going to cry crocodile tears over how unfair they are being treated over a little hacking.

Lordpils:
That's why we buy prepaid cards.
If this crosses over to my Steam account though I'm royally boned.

Steam's a likely candidate for this, as well as Microsoft's Live service. I catch a whiff that there is something shady going on with Steam's service I am calling my bank. I may go ahead and remove the info anyway since right now I can't afford anymore games at the moment.

As a certain wing commander once said, "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

I had a fake phone number on my psn imagine the hackers relisation
OT:Hackers your bluffing

samsonguy920:

What color is the sky in your world? Credit card companies put 100% of the burden on clients to take care of their own account. Everyone who had their accounts stolen is going to be having a very bad day for more than a year.

Actually no, that's not necessarily the case. I've had two instances of fraud on my primary credit card; one isolated, and one where my card was fully compromised and had to be replaced. In the isolated instance, my credit card company called me and immediately removed the charges and blocked any further attempts from that specific source. In the more extensive event, I simply called up the company, mentioned the transactions, and they were immediately wiped, and my new card arrived within 3 days.

Hell, my bank froze my debit account once and called me because one of the companies that I pay out of that account automatically included their phone number on the bill that particular month for some bizarre reason, and the bank's software assumed that it was some sort of scam.

It's up to the credit card companies and people who have lost information to fix this up now. PSN will get into big trouble for this I bet.

I hope this hackers get arrested for like 10 (or maybe even 15 or 20?) years. First of all they hacked and exploited a massive system, then stole hundreds of thousands (maybe a million(s)) worth of credit card information without any care at all and are now trying to sell it all online, they don't care how much damage they are causing.

How can you tell if your credit card info is on your PS3. I can't remember if it's on or not.

This does sound a bit sketchy (Who would advertise they did such a thing?)...but people are an unpredictable sort and what would sound odd to me might be what's really happening.

Sorry, ya'll, but you might as well just change your cards to be on the safe side, for the few sorry people that didn't do that as soon as they heard Sony lost things before.

Feel worse for anyone who lives in the UK, with the Royal wedding and then Mayday, anyone who didn't get their cards cancelled before Thursday afternoon can't do it until Tuesday at the earliest...could be a nasty shock once the accounts get updated after the long bank holiday weekend

As for the people saying "It's fine, Sony don't keep the CV2 numbers", Yes, that's true, but how hard do you think it would be to brute force hack a 3-digit code?

Oilerfan92:
How can you tell if your credit card info is on your PS3. I can't remember if it's on or not.

Get it changed anyway to be on the safe side....cancelling a card and getting a new one sent out isn't difficult

I'm in a lost for words... fuck
This is why we can't have nice things.

Joke's on them if someone buys my credit card information; that card's details have already been compromised and I had the card frozen and issues a new one shortly before this debacle started.

Then again, if that hadn't happened, I'd have asked it to be done before now anyway.

CynderBloc:

As for the people saying "It's fine, Sony don't keep the CV2 numbers", Yes, that's true, but how hard do you think it would be to brute force hack a 3-digit code?

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the answer to that is "functionally impossible". The only way to verify the code is correct is to attempt to use it. Which means you've got probably around 3 attempts before the bank's software assumes that you're trying to brute force hack the CVV2. So you might get lucky, but it's really, really unlikely.

samsonguy920:
Credit card companies put 100% of the burden on clients to take care of their own account. Everyone who had their accounts stolen is going to be having a very bad day for more than a year. They will have the burden of presenting what evidence they can to show that any fraudulent transactions weren't made by them, and then their credit score is going to go into the toilet, preventing any wonderful summer vacations anybody had planned to go away. As well as some people's homes and jobs. Credit reporting firms are even less responsive than Credit Card companies.

Debit cards maybe. But for a credit card this statement is false. If there are fraudulent transactions on your account, you call the issuer and tell them and for the majority of people that aren't criminals that is more or less the end of it. This is one advantage of credit cards - the risk is borne by the issuer (though we pay for it with interest rates and the transaction costs the retailer gets charged when the CC is used).

And people should stop saying it's their money. With a credit card it is NOT your money. It is the banks money.

Damn
My heart goes out to you ps3 users
That sucks big time |:

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