Games Now Legally Considered an Art Form (in the USA)

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I wonder how long until a game gets released with half/totally naked children with the defense that "It's not pornographic because it's art!"

HeOfMalice:
I wonder how long until a game gets released with half/totally naked children with the defense that "It's not pornographic because it's art!"

I've never seen any naked children running around in my media - save for the very old paintings from the times of old. Have you? 0_o

This is a good thing, but it dose not really end the debate. Even after all the years of music, TV , movies, literature and so on, their are people whom overreatc to them and their content regardless of the 1st amendment, the NEA or anyone else, and things get censored and books by Mark Twaine get taken out of schools, music gets pulled off shelves or certaine giant store chains decide not to sell your albums or games in some cases. Whatever it maybe, you can be assured some civic minded bunch of assholes are going try and police the world of filth and violence art or not. And as gamers look for the umbrella of freedom of speech to get out of the political storm they are currently in, they may find out they are sharing it with the same people that want to see them fail.

ProjectTrinity:

HeOfMalice:
I wonder how long until a game gets released with half/totally naked children with the defense that "It's not pornographic because it's art!"

I've never seen any naked children running around in my media - save for the very old paintings from the times of old. Have you? 0_o

I think they were slippery slope trolling.

Kind of like when people say "If you let gays marry next we'll be having sex with corpses packed into animals."

It's generally a really boring way to get responses. Boring but consistent.

innocentEX:
.. I don't understand? Why did it need to be verified? Do people really care? ... Apparently so.. I still don't understand why people need verification from others to make them selves feel 'special'? or 'important'?

To answer the question with the really obvious answer.

If games are considered art they are much more difficult to sensor by extremist groups. It is a very big step in protecting a wonderful medium from the greasy fingers of bad people.

It's not about getting people to respect you, it is about getting the law to make it harder to hurt you frivolously.

KingofallCosmos:
Does that mean that games can now be as brutal as we want? All for art's sake, off course.

That is what I was thinking.

In my country there's a lot of conversation going on about the violence in games influencing youngsters and so on. Now that games are art, everything CAN BE different.

Not that this has anything to do with the discussion. I dont have a conclusion wheter games should be considered art or not, but I am pretty sure that something good will come for us from this NEA's decision.
Let's wait.

ProjectTrinity:

HeOfMalice:
I wonder how long until a game gets released with half/totally naked children with the defense that "It's not pornographic because it's art!"

I've never seen any naked children running around in my media - save for the very old paintings from the times of old. Have you? 0_o

Well some films from the 70s and 80s had nude children.

RepeatAfterMe:
Sky's the limit now, gentlemen.

If they don't cave in from pressure that is.

Glad to see it's finally considered art. After finishing Super Metroid for the first time back in the day, I always considered them art. I got that same buzz I did from great games like other great art types.

ProjectTrinity:

HeOfMalice:
I wonder how long until a game gets released with half/totally naked children with the defense that "It's not pornographic because it's art!"

I've never seen any naked children running around in my media - save for the very old paintings from the times of old. Have you? 0_o

I have many times actually. I specifically remembered The Woodstock Experience had a lot of shots in the crowd, seeing a few naked children just having fun in the sun.

I bet Jane McGonigal could do something amazing with a grant like this.

Awesome for you Vinlanders!.. But still years behind Denmark.

ProjectTrinity:

HeOfMalice:
I wonder how long until a game gets released with half/totally naked children with the defense that "It's not pornographic because it's art!"

I've never seen any naked children running around in my media - save for the very old paintings from the times of old. Have you? 0_o

There's actually a law about the difference between child pornography and art. I can't remember what it entails and my VPN is down so I'm not Googling that. XD

I was merely postulating that people may think that since the vidja is now considered art that they could get away with more racy acts in their games.

theultimateend:

I think they were slippery slope trolling.

Kind of like when people say "If you let gays marry next we'll be having sex with corpses packed into animals."

It's generally a really boring way to get responses. Boring but consistent.

I was not trolling at all good sir/madam.
I meant my post in earnest.

This wont change the public opinion about games, but good news nevertheless.

Man I am happy to hear this.

Seriously, this won't be nearly as noticed as it deserves to be, but it's a serious mark in the history of ALL artforms. Pretty much because it opens the floodgates for all new mediums.
Plus, we all know how different forms of artistic expression like to mingle.

Just look what happened when they combined photography, music and theatre.
= Cinema.

Finally :D I am happier then a troll riding on a horse with a magnet.

Great news. Gaming really could use some additional support for more purely artistic creation.

Agree in principle on the tax dollars thing, but the tax dollars are there regardless of whether games qualify. Less poop Christ, moar Poop Christ vs. Semen Satan FPS.

Very good news, that

CosmicCommander:
Oh, great! Now games can steal taxpayers money!

Y'know... as much as I like the idea of games being considered legally art, yeah you're right about this.

sir.rutthed:

CosmicCommander:
Oh, great! Now games can steal taxpayers money!

I'd much rather my taxes fund the arts than go towards laying waste to some third world nation.

I'd much rather my money stay in my pocket then do either of those things.

Treblaine:
That is a very poignant and relevant comment, as it is so true that the media only seem to care about violent conflicts when America is involved.

How thoughtful and insightful of you, such a benefit to these here forums with constructive comments like that.

I wasn't aware you quoted me as you messed up the quoting Code. I just noticed you did as I scoured the thread. And was that sarcasm deliberately meant to be awful?

And if you couldn't get what I said, I was making a joke. I'd rather money be spent on neither "art" or unnecessary conflict. As a Minarchist, I'd believe Government's only role is to serve as an arbiter for the disputes of it's people, and to ensure the nation is protected from exterior threats.

I'd say the arts is not something the people should be forced into funding. If people really want to encourage art, they should work with charities or funds; but don't make everyone who doesn't want to pay for the artistic endeavors of someone else cough up.

theultimateend:

I think they were slippery slope trolling.

Kind of like when people say "If you let gays marry next we'll be having sex with corpses packed into animals."

It's generally a really boring way to get responses. Boring but consistent.

The problem with the phrase "slippery slope fallacy" is that it tacitly assumes that a slippery slope effect is always impossible. Well to be blunt it's not. The entire purpose of this movement was to allow games to get more extreme content past censors and to avoid extreme content being banned from sale, so to suggest that more extreme content will enter games is actually a legitimate and reasonable concern.

Finally! Well, it's time to party.
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Generic Gamer:

theultimateend:

I think they were slippery slope trolling.

Kind of like when people say "If you let gays marry next we'll be having sex with corpses packed into animals."

It's generally a really boring way to get responses. Boring but consistent.

The problem with the phrase "slippery slope fallacy" is that it tacitly assumes that a slippery slope effect is always impossible. Well to be blunt it's not. The entire purpose of this movement was to allow games to get more extreme content past censors and to avoid extreme content being banned from sale, so to suggest that more extreme content will enter games is actually a legitimate and reasonable concern.

that assumes that games being more extreme will affect the world in a meaningful way no matter what happens.

(pro tip- it wont)

tehpiemaker:
Finally! Well, it's time to party.
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and this

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

I feel much the same way. Yes, there are games that are artistic, but saying that "games are art" is a stretch... in the same way that saying "sports are art" isn't very accurate. Sure, stuff like ballet or figure skating is art, but hockey and rugby aren't.

I might have missed the Supreme Court ruling (which I doubt), but I wouldn't get too excited about this yet.

See, while this is a major victory, if The Supreme Court decides to back the goverment regulation of video games, it's desician overrides everything else, that's the whole point of it's existance. The policies of other organizations in the goverment, and other laws and precedents are irrelevent before it's will. If the ruling from them comes down that it's not protected, and the goverment can enforce content regulation by enforcing criminal penelties on people who sell to minors and such, games being considered artwork by other goverment agencies has no meaning.

Actually, this is a dangerous ruling, and if anything we should be a little worried. Right now the protection that art enjoys can be threatened if video games ARE determine to be subject to goverment regulation (no matter what that regulation is intended for, this opens a lot of doors as we all know), and are considered to be art, then it will also be creating a precedent where the goverment can likewise regulate OTHER things protected as art the same way that video games are, by creating and enforcing ratings and so on. By ruling first, we're seeing more added to the stakes, while this could influance the Supreme Court against wanting to make what will be a more sweeing ruling, it also means that if The Supreme Court does it's job as mandated and doesn't consider things like this (especially since they happened while they were in session), we could all be in a LOT of trouble, and ultimatly waiting for The Supreme Court to meet again and basically overturn it's own ruling, or at least make another ruling that clarifies things in such a way as to consider video games in their own little cosm.

Basically... don't celebrate yet, this is a touchy matter.

KingofallCosmos:
Does that mean that games can now be as brutal as we want? All for art's sake, off course.

Nothing was stopping us legally from being as brutal as we want (except if we added sex or rape in it then it may be obscene (although that's debatable)). At least in the U.S.

One more step to legitimacy. Yes!

Yay! Games are art. Now, can we shut up about it and get on with actually making some good ones, not hyper-expensive crap-ware?

ADDENDUM: Games always were an art-form. It's just the vast percentage of game developers seemed to fail to use it as such, electing instead to devolve to cheap thrills.

we will see ALOT of cheap games the next few years

Glad to see not everyone in America's a moron.
I'm looking at you Sarah Palin...

This is Fantastic news for an indi developer because now if they can make a game that is a benifit to the public they could actually recieve government funding!

scorptatious:
Spongebob approves.

This sums it up all perfectly. Lets keep it going!

All I can say is: finally!

Of course I don't think all games should be considered art. There are some pretty shitty games out there that don't deserve to be considered "art."

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