Ubisoft Kills Ghost Recon: Future Soldier on PC

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Great bias mAndy Faulk trying to make your opinion everyone elses Escapist confirmed for Faux news.

they just like going from potential sales: 10s of 1000s to potential sales of: absolutely fucking none!

So people like me that buy games and go without playing games if I can't afford them get shafted too? You don't even make my favorite games anyways Ubisoft. Go on believing console owners don't pirate your games.

I, for one, can live without Ubisofts gaming contribution. Their only gaming franchise worth playing in the last few years was Assassins Creed and even those games I can live without. So yeah Ubisoft go ahead and ditch pc-gaming all together.

Wolfram01:

OutrageousEmu:

Wolfram01:

It would seem you weren't initially being sarcastic, then. I weep for the world.

Ah yes, the "I am acting aloof because I don't know what I'm talking about so I'm going to act superior so I don't have to explain myself" tactic, a favourite of trolls. Evidently I got my answer.

I explained myself rather well; you have done nothing of the sort. If you don't get how basic business works that's too bad.

I get how basic business works - premium items need to be those that are shown publicly. Since you can't wear fucking videogames out in public, thats the most goddamn retarded fucking argument any inbred hick could ever come up with. Notice how Fucking The Kings Speech and Transformers 2 had the exact same ticket price despite the insane difference in the levels of care oput into one over the other - because ENTERTAINMENT DOES NOT GET A FUCKING PREMIUM ATTACHED TO IT.

OutrageousEmu:

Wolfram01:

OutrageousEmu:
Ah yes, the "I am acting aloof because I don't know what I'm talking about so I'm going to act superior so I don't have to explain myself" tactic, a favourite of trolls. Evidently I got my answer.

I explained myself rather well; you have done nothing of the sort. If you don't get how basic business works that's too bad.

I get how basic business works - premium items need to be those that are shown publicly. Since you can't wear fucking videogames out in public, thats the most goddamn retarded fucking argument any inbred hick could ever come up with. Notice how Fucking The Kings Speech and Transformers 2 had the exact same ticket price despite the insane difference in the levels of care oput into one over the other - because ENTERTAINMENT DOES NOT GET A FUCKING PREMIUM ATTACHED TO IT.

First off you need to calm the hell down. This is literally the first time you've bothered to even try and explain yourself in legible english.

Now obviously video games often do get a premium attached to it - Special Editions and the like are extremely common.

But that's not even the point. Saying "I'd pay a premium" doesn't mean anything close to what it means for clothes or whatever. It's more like how you pay a premium to view a movie in 3D compared to regular. Or for example, you pay one premium to drive a BMW instead of a Honda, but within either brand, you pay a "premium" (the kind I mean) to driver a nicer model because it has more stuff in it. "Premium Pricing" means artificial inflation, paying a premium for better content does not mean that - it means paying more for more.

The premium cost refers to the game being a lot bigger, having a lot more stuff in it, or whatever tickles your fancy. I'm not saying they charge "extra" for it like a brand name shoe, I'm saying they charge more because it cost more to make - and likewise Activision can sell COD for a lot less because it cost less to make.

Wolfram01:

OutrageousEmu:

Wolfram01:

I explained myself rather well; you have done nothing of the sort. If you don't get how basic business works that's too bad.

I get how basic business works - premium items need to be those that are shown publicly. Since you can't wear fucking videogames out in public, thats the most goddamn retarded fucking argument any inbred hick could ever come up with. Notice how Fucking The Kings Speech and Transformers 2 had the exact same ticket price despite the insane difference in the levels of care oput into one over the other - because ENTERTAINMENT DOES NOT GET A FUCKING PREMIUM ATTACHED TO IT.

First off you need to calm the hell down. This is literally the first time you've bothered to even try and explain yourself in legible english.

Now obviously video games often do get a premium attached to it - Special Editions and the like are extremely common.

But that's not even the point. Saying "I'd pay a premium" doesn't mean anything close to what it means for clothes or whatever. It's more like how you pay a premium to view a movie in 3D compared to regular. Or for example, you pay one premium to drive a BMW instead of a Honda, but within either brand, you pay a "premium" (the kind I mean) to driver a nicer model because it has more stuff in it. "Premium Pricing" means artificial inflation, paying a premium for better content does not mean that - it means paying more for more.

The premium cost refers to the game being a lot bigger, having a lot more stuff in it, or whatever tickles your fancy. I'm not saying they charge "extra" for it like a brand name shoe, I'm saying they charge more because it cost more to make - and likewise Activision can sell COD for a lot less because it cost less to make.

Like I said, in those cases said extra price is either for a status symbol (the car) or for an extra service over the same baseline product, which is objectively giving you more. Your example has neither. You can't use games as a status symbol cause you don't play them outside, and you can't objectively say Skyrim is better than COD.

Furthermore, since that model is based on demand, what you would actually see is COD charging and getting people to pay $120 a game. What you are asking developers to do is to look at the game they are releasing and judge what they think its worth. To a man, every single one thinks "with the effort we have put in, this game is worth more than $60" - all that would actually lead to is COD getting higher sales, but sales dying for the games that major effort was put into.

Dear Ubisoft:
I am no longer one of your customers. I do not plan to return.
Sincerely:
asdf12345LikeImReallyGoingToTellYouwhoIamhere@undisclosed.gov

"there's no DRM that will pollute your experience.'"
Wow, thanks! Want me to spit in your face, you massive jerk???

Article posted today on IGN with Valve CEO explaining why piracy isn't an issue if you change with the times. http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1213357p1.html

If only every developer would realize this.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/7.326129.13326379

"Do you know why I use piratebay.org? Because of assholes like you and EA and Bioware putting less, and less efforts into your games and I am not willing to pay $60 per-annual sequal."

rightly received a warning for this.

That justification is COMPLETELY VOID from the frequent and extremely generous Steam Sales, if you aren't prepared to pay $6 and wait a few months then surely it isn't even worth playing. If you don't like madden/COD then don't play them at all no matter how you acquire them. Import the game if necessary, there is no real region locking!

So, you simply don't want to pay your dues. Piracy is inexcusable on PC.

Downloading a crack to bypass DRM that jeopardises your legitimate access... maybe... but if you Play, you PAY!

Does anybody else get the impression that dev's like Ubisoft are stuck with this broken logic in their heads?

'DRM is about stoping pirates; if they don't like DRM then they must be pirates.'

I can recon 95% of PC gamers are against DRM so mayby thats where they are getting this BS figure from.

Fail logic is fail.

Magnicon:
Article posted today on IGN with Valve CEO explaining why piracy isn't an issue if you change with the times. http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1213357p1.html

If only every developer would realize this.

I love Gabe for this. I really think he has it right (mostly, price does come into it somewhat but mainly for the type of people who don't like the idea of giving money to people who make things you like).

Treblaine:
there is no real region locking

Except for when there is... I'd point an accusatory finger at Steam but most of the regional shitfuckery there is at the behest of publishers not something Gabe and co thought up for shit and giggles. Not the best situation but if people want Steam to offer the widest range of games possible then there have to be compromises with shithead publishers.

One thing that interests me... in a totally academic, never happen but let's think forabout it for a minute... what would be the effect on PC piracy if there were a legitimate 2nd hand market?

RhombusHatesYou:

Treblaine:
there is no real region locking

Except for when there is... I'd point an accusatory finger at Steam but most of the regional shitfuckery there is at the behest of publishers not something Gabe and co thought up for shit and giggles. Not the best situation but if people want Steam to offer the widest range of games possible then there have to be compromises with shithead publishers.

One thing that interests me... in a totally academic, never happen but let's think forabout it for a minute... what would be the effect on PC piracy if there were a legitimate 2nd hand market?

Pay for Import then use a Crack is still an option before piracy.

No idea about 2nd-hand, didn't have much of an impact when there was the option of a 2nd hand market before DRM yet before File-sharing networks could bear the strain of large-game downloads. Maybe PC gamers just don't like to trade-in, too many mods, expansion packs and prospects of better graphics with an upgrade.

Woodsey:
Ubisoft are fucking right. Why, just this morning I heard that Bethesda will never develop for the PC again, as Skyrim utterly failed on the platform - meanwhile, Valve are abandoning the sinking ship that is Steam, because, hey, what use is a PC games store when we're all fucking thieves?!

I know right? The PC as a platform is clearly dead and is populated by people who are nothing more than common criminals. I mean, we obviously relish in the act of stealing any and every piece of software we can get our grubby, greasy, crumby fingers on. It's not like any of us actually get our software through legitimate means or have real, legitimate concerns over the prices of games or the DRM that's being heaped on.

No no. We're all just criminals. We're the dregs of society and aren't worth the effort to make games for.

Well, if you'll excuse me Ubisoft, I'm gonna go spend about $80+ of my hard earned money on the bevy of current Steam sales this weekend. Because, you know, I'm a crook and all that jazz.

The_root_of_all_evil:
Here's a thing:

What other point of salesmanship would you be allowed to say "Most of (this group of our customers) are crooks."

Could Ford say "We're not going to make cars for Italy anymore because 95% of them are crooks."?

What right have Ubisoft to call PC gamers "mostly pirates"? Regardless of any statistics, that's outright slander. (libellous if it's been written down)

This isn't over, Ubisoft. Not by a LONG way.

I've already booked the court date. See you there.

Is there a "Biggest Dick in Video Games" award that only Ubisoft is aware of going on these days? Seriously, it's like they want people to pirate their games and leave feces on their doorsteps.

I don't care for any of your titles, Ubisoft, but I wouldn't buy them anyway because you seem more interested in acting like assholes than anything. I'm not going to pay you to insult your customers.

I have to agree with Ubisoft on this one. They obviously see piracy as a problem that's large enough to force a major change in the way the produce and market PC titles. And don't for a second think that 95% is a massive number, because even if it wasn't a particular game, EVERYONE has pirated something. If you disagree with Ubi, maybe you PC gamers can make up another petition that you guys always seem to about whenever something happens that you don't like. Have a nice day.

RUINER ACTUAL:
I have to agree with Ubisoft on this one. They obviously see piracy as a problem that's large enough to force a major change in the way the produce and market PC titles. And don't for a second think that 95% is a massive number, because even if it wasn't a particular game, EVERYONE has pirated something. If you disagree with Ubi, maybe you PC gamers can make up another petition that you guys always seem to about whenever something happens that you don't like. Have a nice day.

You seem not to have noticed, but the primary issue here is with how Ubisoft is handling the perceived issue, not necessarily the perceived problem they're addressing itself. You can be right and still act like an asshole about it, and Ubisoft is proving that gleefully, whether they're right or not.

I just signed up on their forums to ask if Ghost Recon Online will be available to download on The Pirate Bay.

I wonder if they'll ban me...

wounder what amazingly stupid BS there gonna come up with for the stupid DRM they will impose on far cry 3, thats even if it is made for the pc -_-

-.-

well, they are french ..... not like they are good for anything OTHER then bitching .....

Sebastien Arnoult, me and my Steam list of about 70 games and some 300+ physical games I legally own say FUCK YOU.

Wow. They're not even trying to polish their vitriol with a PR spin. "Yeah, PC gamers are all pirates, so here's a shitty online shooter." Funny thing is, they're probably gonna lose more money on Ghost Recon Online than they would if they just made shitty ports of their real games.

Amnestic:

OutrageousEmu:
The fuck? A reduction in the rate of piracy is a success for DRM, not the total stopping of all piracy.

Except if every game has been cracked, then there has been no reduction in the rate of piracy, and indeed the inclusion of obnoxious DRM has - or so people claim - caused them to pirate the game out of sheer spite at the developer/publisher for trying to punish their legitimate customers.

This is true somewhat. People have been so infuriated with a dev/pub that they have pirated in protest however some have merely used it as an excuse to justify something they were going to do anyway. I'm all for doing something out of principal (to an extent), but if a person just piggybacks on the reasons of others to try and hold their head high for doing something that they normally do making them a douche then they are an even bigger douche.

Treblaine:

SNIP

Pay for Import then use a Crack is still an option before piracy.

I've had to do this, not the importing but the cracking a game that I physically own. It's dumb as hell that people need to crack a game that they own because of DRM.

Tamrin:

Treblaine:

SNIP

Pay for Import then use a Crack is still an option before piracy.

I've had to do this, not the importing but the cracking a game that I physically own. It's dumb as hell that people need to crack a game that they own because of DRM.

Well, I just HOPE that publishers don't consider all the incidences of torrenting of cracking-profiles as incidences of piracy. You'd only download a crack for a game that has DRM, i.e. a game you have BOUGHT! Bypassing "anti-piracy" measures are not the same as piracy itself. Just like opposing certain anti-terrorism laws doesn't make you are terrorist (though some extreme conservatives do hold that you would be).

I have never pirated a game, but out of curiosity I have browsed Pirate Bay and what you see a lot of are people seeding cracks. This just shows how many ARE buying games and DO use torrents but they use torrents to help fixed the problems that the publishers cause with DRM not to rip off the developers.

I think publishers should keep an eye on torrent sites and when they see a ripped off version of their game is in the open, the DRM compromised, THAT is the time to freely distribute a patch to ALL LEGITIMATE USERS to remove DRM.

DRM only ever vaguely works ONLY UP TO the point of preventing a pirated copy ending up in the open, once it's in the open DRM is worse than wothless, it devalues the product. Best to just remove it, put the game on sale and push forward some DLC or special edition or some update that hasn't been included in the cracked version.

It's marketing, people can find:

"Special Edition FPS game 50%-off, no drm, cloud-sync"

as more valuable than:

"Regular version, torrented for free. who knows what is in here? Who knows if future performance patches will work?"

I and right now about to buy 70 ($120) worth of games on Steam. Those 50% and 75% offers I cannot resist, even though I still have a huge gaming backlog!

Seventh Actuality:
All of this Ubisoft bullshit would annoy me a lot more if I could remember the last time they released a title I actually wanted to play.

Oh well, guess I'll just keep giving my money to Valve and EA.

Haha, so true.

Okay, what is in the water? There has to be a reason why the game developers and companies are being a lot less subtle about their hate for their customers. Seriously, everything seems to come apart right now. What happened to gamers being a family and developers just wanting to make the best game ever and producers being proud and shipping these wonderful games out to the people and...?

Maybe I've been watching too much Extra Credits?

Nooooo. It's got to be in the water. Someone? Anyone? Check the water!

ReinWeisserRitter:

RUINER ACTUAL:
I have to agree with Ubisoft on this one. They obviously see piracy as a problem that's large enough to force a major change in the way the produce and market PC titles. And don't for a second think that 95% is a massive number, because even if it wasn't a particular game, EVERYONE has pirated something. If you disagree with Ubi, maybe you PC gamers can make up another petition that you guys always seem to about whenever something happens that you don't like. Have a nice day.

You seem not to have noticed, but the primary issue here is with how Ubisoft is handling the perceived issue, not necessarily the perceived problem they're addressing itself. You can be right and still act like an asshole about it, and Ubisoft is proving that gleefully, whether they're right or not.

I know, but how else could they handle it? They obviously have some sort of statistic, probably server usage or unique user login numbers and compare that to their sales and say, "wtf mate?" I'm sure it isn't 95%, but with how some of their DRM has been for games like Assassins Creed, I don't doubt it's pretty high. They're really trying to prove a point, and even though they're being cocky about it, they are giving PC gamers and pirates what they want: free and DRM free games.

well, if you are going to make a DRM that will not allow a paying costumer to play, people will obviously pirate it. that is simply logical.
now, why dont you return to making games that dont suck instead of blaming whole world for your mistakes?

TitanAtlas:

mParadox:
The first sentence pretty much sums up how Ubisoft is acting with the PC crowd. I r sad. 3:

What other significant game series does Ubisoft have I wonder...

Splinter Cell, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Rainbow Six, Driver, Heroes of Might and Magic, Prince of Persia and Brothers in Arms comes to mind... Other than that i can't remember any game that's worth to be mentioned...

splinter cell is a joke now.
assasins creed is ok
far cry has been completely ruined by ubisoft
rainbow six and driver havent played
heroes of might and magic gets worse with every release
prince of persia was always awful
borther in arms is ok, but its really very low profile.

Strazdas:

TitanAtlas:

mParadox:
The first sentence pretty much sums up how Ubisoft is acting with the PC crowd. I r sad. 3:

What other significant game series does Ubisoft have I wonder...

Splinter Cell, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Rainbow Six, Driver, Heroes of Might and Magic, Prince of Persia and Brothers in Arms comes to mind... Other than that i can't remember any game that's worth to be mentioned...

splinter cell is a joke now.
assasins creed is ok
far cry has been completely ruined by ubisoft
rainbow six and driver havent played
heroes of might and magic gets worse with every release
prince of persia was always awful
borther in arms is ok, but its really very low profile.

What about beyond good and evil and rayman? :)

Is the Ubisoft PR guy a 13 yr old fanboy or something? 95%, as if that was a scientific stat. 100% of ubisoft employees have their heads so far up their asses that the lump on their throat is their nose, and that's true because I just made it up on the spot.

devotedsniper:
95%, wonder how many of those actually bought the game but hated the DRM? my guess is at least 60%... Wonder if this means the new rainbow six won't be out on the pc, shame i liked both of the series.

You can count me as one of those that bought a game and then pirated it because of the DRM. I have farcry 2 digital download on the ubistore and a pirated copy so i can actualy play it. since then I have not bought or played anything from ubisoft because of the drm.

If Ubisoft actually released anything besides Rabbids (seriously, who in the world plays this) and Assassin's Creed remakes, I'd give a crap about them. I'm kinda glad they admitted to sucking hard at countering piracy and gave up on PC gamers; less shit cluttering up Steam's main page.

I don't get it Ubisoft, are we supposed to give a shit about what you think of us? Cause last time we checked, you don't make great games anyway so yeah I guess we both agree you shouldn't have our money.

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