TV News Report Warns of "Cyber-Bullying" on Xbox Live

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Oh bohoo, kids may be exposed to bad words. Never mind that they are playing games where the objective is to shoot eachother in the face.

Strazdas:

Folji:

Strazdas:

dear father, please die. What is crazy is thnking you can control your childrens private gaming life. you have NO RIGHT to hear what kids are playing. it is THEIR CHOICE.

When your kid is locked in their room all night, playing multiplayer games intended for people twice their age, you're just being a terrible parent. "Their choice" or not, it's pants-on-head retarded.

Most people are pants-on-head retarded. Instead of "you evil person you wont get to eat tonight" treatment parents should instead have time to actually communicate with their children and by doing so children will not make the choice in the first place. Things are not always what they are intended for. Some games like Postal 2 was intended as a satirical portrayal of the times culture and ended up as one of the rolemodels of "evil games".

w00tage:

It's their choice? How are they supposed to make these choices? Children are by definition mentally incompetent. Not only are they almost completely ignorant, their bodies are still growing their decisionmaking apparatus until they're around sixteen (the process actually ends around 22-24, but it's mostly complete at 16). That's why in the absence of parents to make childrens' decisions for them, legal guardians are appointed to do the same.

Re "private gaming life" .... please look up the word "compartmentalizing", and then, for your own sake, stop doing it. It's not a good thing.

Anyone thinking that chindren are mentally incompetent should have their head examined. Children lack exeprience and comparison, however their logical apparatus works just fine. a decision as simple as it takes to pick up a videogame is certainly not something we should be developing till 24. i mean that would imply we should still be in our first grade by around 18.

I'm not going to bother to argue against your apparent stand that all children are capable of making adult-level decisions and supposedly are only not doing so because they're being "kept down by the parent". You're entitled to your opinion (which is all you have espoused here) but I suggest you try reading something other than video game sites for your worldview. You do realize that every entertainment industry - including the gaming industry - is in the business of getting people to make emotionally-driven decisions with their money, right?

Taunta:
Look at all these knee-jerk reactions.

First of all, the original article never mentions COD by name. It's entirely possible that someone's gonna talk trash on a game that is totally appropriate for your kid's age.

Second of all, no one is blaming Microsoft or the entire games industry in general. They're just saying "be aware of what your kid does online". I thought it was pretty sound and reasonable advice.

Third of all, you're gamers. Of course this news is old to you. But what about someone who does not play games, and doesn't have the slightest clue as to what an ex bawks is? Does the fact that it's obvious to you make the advice any less sound? Does it mean they shouldn't even mention it? No. The government spends a shit ton of money on anti-smoking PSAs and yet people die of lung cancer all the time.

Thank you.

I was beginning to lose hope that anyone else had noticed that the original article this supposed news article cited as a source did not mentioned Call of Duty in any way.

Seems like everyone was too busy rage-facing about a parent letting his 8-year-old play COD in order to invalidate his concerns.

Shinigami214:

Taunta:
Look at all these knee-jerk reactions.

First of all, the original article never mentions COD by name. It's entirely possible that someone's gonna talk trash on a game that is totally appropriate for your kid's age.

Second of all, no one is blaming Microsoft or the entire games industry in general. They're just saying "be aware of what your kid does online". I thought it was pretty sound and reasonable advice.

Third of all, you're gamers. Of course this news is old to you. But what about someone who does not play games, and doesn't have the slightest clue as to what an ex bawks is? Does the fact that it's obvious to you make the advice any less sound? Does it mean they shouldn't even mention it? No. The government spends a shit ton of money on anti-smoking PSAs and yet people die of lung cancer all the time.

Thank you.

I was beginning to lose hope that anyone else had noticed that the original article this supposed news article cited as a source did not mentioned Call of Duty in any way.

Seems like everyone was too busy rage-facing about a parent letting his 8-year-old play COD in order to invalidate his concerns.

It's okay, I feel much the same way. I saw your original post and was like "oh look, a light in the darkness".

I mean, given the amount of trash talking I do with my friends in games like Mario Party/Kart, I don't think it's only the rated M games that have this problem.

Lol this reminds me of last night (literally).

Was playing with my friend (online) on Modern Warfare 3 and we were facing off a team in Domination. When I got killed off the bat, I forgot that I wasn't in private chat with my buddy so I said, "Aw crap.. didn't see that coming. My bad." And then this player (who I do not know, sounded like he was 14, 15ish?) was making fun of what I said in that quick, sheepish voice then saying to me, "What are you, a dumba**?"

I laughed and said, "Ah, okaaaayy." I take people who bully others online as a joke. Sure sometimes it's really bad but that's what the mute button is for, or report button cause you can report players for foul language or doing something offensive. Still, I just invited my friend to private chat and we both joked around about what the player said.

Overall I think the people who are concerned for their children should just not let them have mics on, or for that matter watch what their kids do. Then again, schools are probably worse and actually ends up affecting your child then say them playing online. But not so sure myself, I would have to research to fully understand the impact both things can give off.

The funny thing is, I've heard little kids spouting the foul language and racial and homphobic statements. I really don't care about the swearing; it's only just annyoing coming from a little kid. Hell, I started swearing when I was 11 and I turned out just fine...I think...

Anway, what disturbs me is when I hear them yelling racist and homophobic slurs. Swearing is one thing, it's rather common in any school when the teachers aren't within earshot. But using slurs like that is something that I don't tolerate out of anyone online, especially little kids. It just isn't right to hear such things from a little kid. Not to say that every little kid who plays CoD online is a foul mouthed bastard, I know a few who are mature well beyond their years in that regard, but I think that parents should be aware that their kids may be in on the act too.

Kopikatsu:

Also...isn't CoD (and other multiplayer games where people would have mics) rated M? I mean...why would you have your 8 year old kids playing that in the first place?

Not saying that because a game is rated M, that gives people free reign to spew verbal abuse on whoever draws their ire, but it's kind of...yeah.

I have to agree, there really are way too many youngins playing these games.

Parents really aren't paying attention to what they buy their kids; really, I don't even think most care.

Heck the other day it sounded like there was a 5 or 6 year old playing in a ME3 multiplayer round with me. I was playing a Drell Adept and I heard though my headset a little kid say, "Ooooh, who's that scary looking green guy. Dad! What is that scary looking green guy!" Then I hear one of the other players that sounded around 10 years old, "That's a Drell stupid, he's playing a Drell, stop shooting him."

And I believe I've heard younger on the other end when play Gotham City Imposters.

Therumancer:
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I can see what your saying to be fair, the kids shouldnt be there in the first place, playing call of duty etc... but you and I both know that there are thousands of them online regardless of a games rating. I generally play on the pc so I hear alot less of them but my brief stint on xbox live I'd say I heard more kids talking than I did adults.

This bullying thing that you seem to agree with as a form of 'self policing' is a bit much though, the guys firing the insults arent doing it just because its a kid they're talking too I doubt many douchebags online give a toss what age the person they are insulting is. If the person being bullied deserves it or brought it on themselves all well and good fire away but if its just someone playing the game who's a bit younger than most, whats the problem?

And for once I agree with some criticism the media levels at games.
I'm 18, and very thick skinned, and even I can sometimes find myself being made to feel like shit by some wanker on xbox live.
Seriously, the online gaming community can be horrible

I been bullied by some people and they even sent messages saying "I suck" and some brat say that don't know how to some types of game when I was playing Capture the Flag.

This story seemed to actually do a good job letting parents know what was going on without exaggerating much or making games out to be the devil. They have helpful hints AND actually tell people the steps MS takes to moderate the service. I guess mainstream journalism is starting to cover games related stories with an even hand. Wow, I never thought I'd live to see the day.

Man I can't believe people would say such things online, the only games where people act like that is in shooters, and what kind of responsible parent would let them play one of those.

ok i have to get something off my chest
THE GAME ISNT MADE FOR CHILDREN YOU STUPID TWATS!
christ parents are getting stupid it an M rated game children arent supposed to play it in the first place.
Captcha: oops a daisy
i think captcha is gaining sentiance.

It's an M-rated game, They shouldn't even be playing this. It's kinda common sense.

If you don't want your kid being exposed to all the trash talking weirdies of Call of Duty, then don't buy them the game. I mean, COD is rated M for mature, that should tip the parent off that this game may not be suitable for their youngster

No kidding. I was surprised when the article wasn't just there to slander gaming.

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HOW has it taken this long to realise that this happens? The Xbox has been out nearly 7 years!

You don't want to have your children sworn at? Don't by your fucking 10 year old kid 18 rated shooters.

If anything, it is the OTHER kids of the same age that hurl abuse around. If only people over 18 actually bought the game, I'd guarantee it'd be mildly friendlier =p

Scrumpmonkey:

donssword:
"M" rated game. Also includes: ESRB warning, content may change online.

End of discussion.

This should be true. Sadly most parents do a complete HURRR DUURRRR and fail to grasp the basic concepts of Game ratings, or any ratings for that matter. We need to educate parents, failing that we need to beat them over the head with big sticks for being so fucking stupid. Either or.

Because they still see games as children s toys...which is weird when they all protest against it being a child's toy.

Taunta:

Shinigami214:

Taunta:
Look at all these knee-jerk reactions.

First of all, the original article never mentions COD by name. It's entirely possible that someone's gonna talk trash on a game that is totally appropriate for your kid's age.

Second of all, no one is blaming Microsoft or the entire games industry in general. They're just saying "be aware of what your kid does online". I thought it was pretty sound and reasonable advice.

Third of all, you're gamers. Of course this news is old to you. But what about someone who does not play games, and doesn't have the slightest clue as to what an ex bawks is? Does the fact that it's obvious to you make the advice any less sound? Does it mean they shouldn't even mention it? No. The government spends a shit ton of money on anti-smoking PSAs and yet people die of lung cancer all the time.

Thank you.

I was beginning to lose hope that anyone else had noticed that the original article this supposed news article cited as a source did not mentioned Call of Duty in any way.

Seems like everyone was too busy rage-facing about a parent letting his 8-year-old play COD in order to invalidate his concerns.

It's okay, I feel much the same way. I saw your original post and was like "oh look, a light in the darkness".

I mean, given the amount of trash talking I do with my friends in games like Mario Party/Kart, I don't think it's only the rated M games that have this problem.

The knee jerk reactions come from the past when this sort of thing was blown out of proportions, the actual advice in the article is sound, but gamer are a tad tired of their media being called a child's toy...and then having people getting pissed off when their children play it.

The reactions are a tad over the top; since the age when games were the root of all evil has pretty much died down. We're sorta getting out of the constantly aware phase from back when the games industry as a whole had a massive bulls-eye painted onto it.

You mean that exposing children to an unregulated an uncensored environment with other humans might result in them hearing some profanity?

WHAT A FUCKING REVELATION!

If my kid looked like that I would swear at him too.

If the parent thinks the child in question can take and handle the violence in question, then yes. A M-Rating doesn't mean that its only people who are 18 and older are the only people playing, its just advising you to only let people that age play.

Just for the record, I agree with you, but I wasn't being exclusive to violence... I was just thinking about Gears of War at the time, but that's why I put the 'etc.' there. Yeah, totally. If the kid can handle violence and whatnot, then it probably doesn't matter, but as for letting them jump off the deep end, well, that's another story entirely.

Shinigami214:

Realitycrash:

Shinigami214:

The original news report doesn't mention COD specifically - for some reason the escapist writer did

Can you mention a few games an 8-year old can play on Xbox-Live and NOT be subjected to this kind of trashtalk?

I don't know, and that's besides the point.

Am I the only one here annoyed that the writer grossly (intentionally or otherwise) mis-represented a news story?

No, it's pretty bad. My point was simply that if ALL games on Live has this trashtalk, CoD could just have been an example.

Tree man:

Taunta:

Shinigami214:

Thank you.

I was beginning to lose hope that anyone else had noticed that the original article this supposed news article cited as a source did not mentioned Call of Duty in any way.

Seems like everyone was too busy rage-facing about a parent letting his 8-year-old play COD in order to invalidate his concerns.

It's okay, I feel much the same way. I saw your original post and was like "oh look, a light in the darkness".

I mean, given the amount of trash talking I do with my friends in games like Mario Party/Kart, I don't think it's only the rated M games that have this problem.

The knee jerk reactions come from the past when this sort of thing was blown out of proportions, the actual advice in the article is sound, but gamer are a tad tired of their media being called a child's toy...and then having people getting pissed off when their children play it.

The reactions are a tad over the top; since the age when games were the root of all evil has pretty much died down. We're sorta getting out of the constantly aware phase from back when the games industry as a whole had a massive bulls-eye painted onto it.

re: The over-the-top-reactions: Doesn't help when the 'article' makes the unfounded claim that the father is such a bad parent that he lets his 8-year-old children play COD, a Mature rated game.

Greg Tito:
TV News Report Warns of "Cyber-Bullying" on Xbox Live

Wow! Really? This is new news to me!

This is 2005, right?

Realitycrash:

No, it's pretty bad. My point was simply that if ALL games on Live has this trashtalk, CoD could
just have been an example.

Fair point.

I wouldn't know personally. While I have an Xbox, I don't have Xbox Live. I use my PC for online gaming, and the last FPS I played online was COD1. Don't recall being exposed to much abuse.

Shinigami214:

Tree man:

Taunta:
It's okay, I feel much the same way. I saw your original post and was like "oh look, a light in the darkness".

I mean, given the amount of trash talking I do with my friends in games like Mario Party/Kart, I don't think it's only the rated M games that have this problem.

The knee jerk reactions come from the past when this sort of thing was blown out of proportions, the actual advice in the article is sound, but gamer are a tad tired of their media being called a child's toy...and then having people getting pissed off when their children play it.

The reactions are a tad over the top; since the age when games were the root of all evil has pretty much died down. We're sorta getting out of the constantly aware phase from back when the games industry as a whole had a massive bulls-eye painted onto it.

re: The over-the-top-reactions: Doesn't help when the 'article' makes the unfounded claim that the father is such a bad parent that he lets his 8-year-old children play COD, a Mature rated game.

There's no mention of CoD in the article, what does annoy me however is the assumption that people only learn bad language from games. I mean I've heard worse in football matches: 'Your mums a slut' doesn't quite compare to six hundred fully grown male role models shouting out 'Fuckin die, fuckin die, fuckin die.'

While I am not promoting ignorance in the media, I do see a problem looming over electronic devices and cyber bullying. In fact, a kid in my town shot himself for just this reason. On the other hand, parents, if you are planning on buying your eight year old child Call of Duty, I would stop complaining about the game, and look yourself in the mirror. Another thing, if you want your kid to not listen to all of this stuff you can A: mute the player who is swearing at people or B: make them set the headset down and play without voices. Don't and I repeat DON'T have the news report on how your kids are about to commit suicide due to online swearing. If all else fails, make the kids stop playing the game online.

This is a major problem in gaming that needs to be solved by GAMERS. Its nice to see an actual adult playing games and giving reasonable answers instead of trying to burn video games at the stake.

Most of what is said in this news report is completely accurate.

Tanis:
Seeing as how the WORST players I've met online sound like 8 year old...

Maybe parents should parent their kids before bitching about others'.

Lol this too.

"Cyber-bullying" is one of those phrases that gets people who have no idea what it actually means all up in arms. "Sexting" is another one.

However, for people in the know about cyber-bullying, we know it's not the greatest menace to face humanity, and it's pretty much old news at this point.

But, this doesn't mean it isn't an issue and that we should just ignore it. There is a real culture of trash-talking around videogames, hurling slurs over Xbox Live seems to be accepted, by some people, as "the thing you do". There are various reasons as to why we have this culture, but I'm not going to get into that.

The point is, it's not the best enviroment for a child to be exposed to. On a bad day the constant swearing, threats and homophobic slurs (which, as a member of a sexual minority, do sting) have been enough to make me turn of the Xbox and go to bed. For a child of, say, 8, it's an incredibly nasty and hostile enviroment to be exposed to.

Which is why parents need to be aware of this, and need to educate their children and restrict videogames accordingly. Let the child know that A) people might very well say nasty stuff, B) they don't have to put up with that, there are things they can do and C) just because everyone else does it, that doesn't make it appropriate for the child to do the same thing.

It's just a common sense, heads-up warning.

Edit: Oh, and some people seem to think that we can solve this problem by not having children playing M-rated games, but that doesn't solve the central problem, that there is this accepted idea that it's okay for people to be shitheads while playing multiplayer.

Keeping children away from nasty online communities is like keeping people away from Chernobyl. Sure, it's helpful, but it doesn't solve the real issue now, does it?

It's an M for Mature game. If parents want to give it to their kids when they're legally too young to get it themselves, I don't really take issue with that. The violence really doesn't screw kids up as much as some people say it does, and it is the parents' decision to determine when their child is ready for mature content in this matter.

What I DO take issue with is when those same parents are them legitimately SURPRISED that people who are old enough to use swear words without getting put on the naughty stool for 10 minutes play the game that has an age minimum of SEVENTEEN to buy, and demands that we are change our behavior so their special little snowflake isn't exposed to stuff that, quite frankly, I believe he/she should be exposed to in some form or another. Everyone should be on the receiving end of some minor nastiness in their young life. Now I don't mean they should be verbally abused every waking moment of every day, but if they at no point have cruel things said to them when they're young, then they're never going to develop that mental armor against it. And trust me, you need that mental armor. If I hadn't been relentlessly harassed every school day from fourth to eight grade, I never would've been mentally ready for high school, where the REAL bastards come out to play. Getting called a fag every two seconds over XBox Live is nothing compared to what these kids deal with in school (even to those that are actually gay, who deal with WAAAAAAAAAAAY worse in school), especially since school is getting worse and worse as kids get more and more desensitized to suffering.

EDIT: I would also like to add that clearly the concerned parents have never played DotA, Heroes of Newerth, or League of Legends. If they were that up in arms over mild curses, then they'd probably cancel their internet service if they saw the foul things cooked up in the minds of MOBA players.

Therumancer:
You do know, when it comes to games like "Call Of Duty" these kids shouldn't be on these servers to begin with. If I'm playing a game aimed at a fairly mature, or at least teenage audience, I am not going to conduct myself with the level of decorum that would be appropriate for 8 year olds being around because there aren't supposed to be any around.

What's more if your concerned about "bullying", understand that while I mostly play MMOs, when I run into a young child that shouldn't be in the game (of any sort) I have been a part of efforts to drive them off, because to be honest in a T or M rated game he shouldn't be there to begin with and his continued prescence creates all kinds of problems, one of which is having to be concerned with their prescence and having to walk on eggshells.

To be honest I'm not sure if the community using bullying to chase kids out of a community that shouldn't be there to begin with is a bad thing. That's a form of policing that probably should have already taken place with the parents saying "no" when their little kid wanted the T or M rated game.

Understand gaming is intended to be something where you can put your hair down and relax. A lot of the foul language and uncouth, and un-politically correct behavior is part of that. People who have to play the role of being nice, entirely tolerant, and polite all day at work or at school in the face of a lot of jerks (obnoxious customers, etc...) want to let their hair down and let off some steam. The kind of language and venting (which is just that as opposed to heartfelt racism in many cases) that you see is typical of sitting around with the guys or hanging out in a bar where your known. It's nothing unusual for adults, or even teenagers who we all know aren't exactly the most polite people in the world when they are off on their own kicking back. You don't let 8 year olds wander around unattended in bars or teenage coffee houses for a reason, and that reason isn't just to protect them from human predators or fear that they are going to saunter up to the bar and bite the neck off a bottle of JD like a bad cowboy movie and start guzzling. You let your kid into CoD, or WoW, that's just like letting them hang out in a bar populated by off duty longshoremen (or really anyone), your going to hear crap that doesn't fly in polite society because the entire point is that they are not supposed to be in polite society. When I play a game that isn't suitable for little kids, I do not want to have to act like I would if I was walking around an elementary school.

In short, while many people might disagree with me, I think this is more or less a non-issue. Kids of the age being discussed aren't supposed to be playing anything above the "E" level for a reason, and parents who don't respect tht have no right to complain. What happens to their kid is on them, not the community, or the service providers.

As far as those shocked by the stupidity of parents, understand that this point also isn't really "stupid". It's called "rabble rousing" it's actually very intelligent because the points are being made to incite attention FROM stupid people, knowing that simply because a kid is involved the ignorant are going to rally, which gives the people involved five minutes of fame... and also promotes the "experts" who want to get their books out there to the intended audience. Basically the people who are dumb enough to not understand this are the target, but wouldn't themselves be able to bring this to anyone's attention. Like it or not there are people out there who will embrace anything that tells them their failings as a parent (or anything else) are not their fault, and buy products like books that will tell them what they want to hear.

There is no excuse to be rude, profane and downright mean to another person, in real-life or online.

If only there was a option to filter that...

Apparently parents nowadays don't want to actually step up to the plate and PARENT. Why is your, what, 8, 9 year old kid playing this type of game in the first place? Are you even getting involved at all? I mean, who would have thunk that mixing your precious widdle babby into an online killy stabby explodey death scenario with a bunch of teenagers and/or adults could have A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON HIM? WOOOAUUUURGHHHH? MY ENTIRE CONCEPT OF REALITY HAS BEEN SHAKEN TO ITS CORE!

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