More Unskippable Piracy Warnings for DVDs

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Erana:
Reminding me of who is getting my money does not help.

I mean, who hasn't been screwed over by the greed of people vastly more wealthy than them at some point? I want to ignore it and watch my movie.

Seems RIAA and MPAA don't quite get why they earned so much money from making movies about Robin Hood huh? :)

"Let's make an epic tragedy about a Sheriff that gets destroyed by some pesky pirate from the forest!"

So they are trying to reduce piracy by making legit movies suck even more?

Once again pirate service>Original service

GeorgW:
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I'm in the UK, and I'd definitely say it's becoming more prevalent.

It's worse on rental discs, but more annoying on retail discs.

oh look... a publicity stunt. It feels election time.

I hate to pretty much repost one of my previous posts, but thats all this really is.

I mean how in the flaming pits of Disney land is adding more warnings, telling legitimate customers don't do anything illegal now, you know like you haven't done, but this is just a 'friendly' reminder criminal scum, going to stop piracy.

"drive the pirates into the ocean from whence they came."

I lost it all over the ground.

MelasZepheos:
It's great that you don't have to be reminded not to shoplift or speed, but I'm willing to wager that you wouldn't shop at a store that made you listen to a 30 second lecture on the illegality of shoplifting from the cashier while you're checking out, or buy a car that would make you listen to a 30 second recording about the illegality of speeding before it let you put it into gear and drive off.

You forgot to say every time you start up you're car. This isn't a one time warning. Every time you watch the tape you as the legal customer will be told how wrong it is to steal something that doesn't belong to you.

Lol I noticed I said tape instead of DVD. You see how outdated and useless this practice is people? It's so old and has had so little effect I instantly thought of the fucking 80's when they mentioned this. You know what would combat piracy?

Offering on demand DVD's for a low price. I know they have Netflix and such already, but not everywhere in the world yet. A world wide, no DRM or copyright measures service that beams whatever you want to watch, at any time directly into your home or portable media device would basically make piracy obsolete.

Why? Because with piracy it's still a huge risk, with keyloggers, having to find the right sites, downloading the damned things. If a legitimate service would pop up that would allow you to do basically the same for a small fee per movie or episode that operated worldwide, but also offered security from viruses and life streaming, I think pirates would have allot less grip on the web.

Will no-one think of the billionaire Hollywood execs?

Piracy is not a victimless crime. Companies are making only billions of dollars per year instead of trillions.

Also, why the hell are they putting anti-piracy warnings in legally bought DVD's?

MelasZepheos:

Will you be able to get the latest episodes eventually or are they never shown in Denmark?

I don't get to watch a lot of American television when I'd like to because I get screwed on syndication of smaller shows like Castle (which I absolutely love) to the UK. Instead of pirating them, I wait until the official release. I don't have a right to watch that television, it's not a basic need or in any way fundamental to my life. It is a want. A privilege of a middle class Western society that I have the patience to wait for when it arrives legally.

I even ended up importing an American only DVD player, just so I could buy American-only DVDs (a lot of cartoons only get released in America for example) instead of having to watch them illegally. If you really love something, support it with your money, otherwise you're not really supporting it at all.

The first season hasn't even begun airing, as far as I'm aware. Eventually it will come though.
Like I said, half my income already goes to media. I'm supporting. If I'm pirating something, it's not that I abstain from supporting it, just delaying it.

It's fine if you want to wait, but I don't, not when there is plenty of opportunity to deliver what I want, which I'm willing to pay for. But licensing, which is a greedy tool, forces me to find alternate methods. I'll usually pay for it anyway, since I buy shows if they're reasonably priced.
The ONLY time I'm willing to pay the extremely high amount of money, is when an episode is comming out. A few months later, it's not even worth a tenth of what it was when it came out.

Am I breaking the law? Only because big business dictates law and not the public.
Laws are just whatever suits the biggest money best.

In short; I'm a paying customer, but business wont allow me to buy.

lapan:
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This thread made me think of this picture. It's like DRM, all it does is annoy and scare away their legit customers.

I couldnt put it in any other words thank you sir on another note will this be on the digital download version to? quite frankly i only get blurays / dvds for the extras nowadays

Who comes up with this crap? These are piracy incentives, people. You want to make it more convenient to purchase a movie, not less. Christ, this is dumb.

Casual Shinji:

Andy Shandy:
As with every topic that comes up about these unskippable things, I feel obliged to post this image.

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Anyway, do they not realise that people are annoyed by these and all these anti-piracy ads they have to wade through are more likely to make them pirate?

I don't download anything. I stream my bears.

Streaming is downloading from a tech stand point of view. You are downloading the x amount of bandwidth to watch the show on your computer or other streaming player which is why netfilx has settings now for those who have caps. In short it doesn't matter if you are streaming copyrighted material it is still illegal the question is do you care?

On the subject at hand.. well I am thankful for dvd ripping software to bypass this.

Why thank you, huge corporation, for telling me how piracy is wrong. Me, a paying, legal customer of yours. Yeah, I'm the one you need to be targeting this at...

It's so useless to add annoyances to legitimate copies, which makes pirated ones more covetable.
The Dutch versions are particularily screechy, loud, flashy pieces of shit.

Paying top dollar for Blurays and then this... always pisses me off to no end.

Lost In The Void:
Oh Good, this gives me more time to grab a beer and some popcorn before I start my movie. Thanks US Government, you never cease to help.

Or you could just do that while it's downloading. Saves some hassle.

I'M JOKING MODS. PUT DOWN THOSE BANHAMMERS. PUT THEM DOWN.

I disagree on piracy being either a crime or digital theft. But I'm sure Homeland Ignorance doesn't give three shits about that.

poiumty:

Lost In The Void:
Oh Good, this gives me more time to grab a beer and some popcorn before I start my movie. Thanks US Government, you never cease to help.

Or you could just do that while it's downloading. Saves some hassle.

I'M JOKING MODS. PUT DOWN THOSE BANHAMMERS. PUT THEM DOWN.

I disagree on piracy being either a crime or digital theft. But I'm sure Homeland Ignorance doesn't give three shits about that.

The thing is, those FBI warnings don't even apply to me, being Canadian so all it does is literally waste my time.

Yup, this'll go over well. Luckily I just don't watch movies outside the theater all that much now these days. And no, it's not because I pirate, I just read or play video games to fill that time generally.

Found this youtube vid on this forum though and I figure it has something legitimate to say about pirating in general.

yeah, because this soooo much better solution then say lowering expenses and pushing for digital release, thus making movies, music, games etc so silly cheap most pirates just meh and buys your stuff (okey not a waterproof idea, but ya gotta emit, better then what the FBI do)

I really fucking hate that they put those unskippable things on the DVD's. Yeaaah, punish the people who actually fucking buy your product and make them look to piracy for easier access with less hassle. Fucking idiots.

(Not using "fuck" to seem edgy or cool, just to make my frustration with that retarded business practice a bit more appearant.)

So they are trying the "If you lie enough it'll be come true." thing?

A friend of mine nearly got disowned for smoking weed, his parents thought it was the most dangerous drug you could do. Note they smoke cigarettes.

I mention it only because its much like this, a long standing lie with no statistical support.

Speaking as someone who does neither drugs nor pirating, I support both because they are, as far as data shown me, harmless outside of the social negatives they create.

remmus:
yeah, because this soooo much better solution then say lowering expenses and pushing for digital release, thus making movies, music, games etc so silly cheap most pirates just meh and buys your stuff (okey not a waterproof idea, but ya gotta emit, better then what the FBI do)

That silly idea is the reason I buy games and music. They are both EXTREMELY easy to get legally and cheaply because of Zune Marketplace and Steam.

Movies are...behind the curve, as are TV shows.

Griffolion:
Why thank you, huge corporation, for telling me how piracy is wrong. Me, a paying, legal customer of yours. Yeah, I'm the one you need to be targeting this at...

They are effectively accusing you of being a criminal after you bought their product.

Not merely telling you of piracy.

I wouldn't warn someone of the penalties of murder if I thought they'd never murder. I haven't warned any of my nieces or nephews of the criminal ramifications of treason either.

theultimateend:
So they are trying the "If you lie enough it'll be come true." thing?

A friend of mine nearly got disowned for smoking weed, his parents thought it was the most dangerous drug you could do. Note they smoke cigarettes.

I mention it only because its much like this, a long standing lie with no statistical support.

Speaking as someone who does neither drugs nor pirating, I support both because they are, as far as data shown me, harmless outside of the social negatives they create.

Not completley harmless, weed will make you an idiot in the long run. But so will alcohol. However Weed causes less conflicts and accidents. The only danger a driver high on weed poses is too himself as him going 10 mp/h on the highway will likely make truckers run him over or shoot him xD. Where as drunk drivers run over people because they're either aggressive and have impared perception and judgement or just the latter.

But to say it's "harmless" is just as much of a lie as saying it's "TEH MOOAAAST DANGERUZZ DRAGGZ EVURRR!"

Heimir:

theultimateend:
So they are trying the "If you lie enough it'll be come true." thing?

A friend of mine nearly got disowned for smoking weed, his parents thought it was the most dangerous drug you could do. Note they smoke cigarettes.

I mention it only because its much like this, a long standing lie with no statistical support.

Speaking as someone who does neither drugs nor pirating, I support both because they are, as far as data shown me, harmless outside of the social negatives they create.

Not completley harmless, weed will make you an idiot in the long run. But so will alcohol. However Weed causes less conflicts and accidents. The only danger a driver high on weed poses is too himself as him going 10 mp/h on the highway will likely make truckers run him over or shoot him xD. Where as drunk drivers run over people because they're either aggressive and have impared perception and judgement or just the latter.

But to say it's "harmless" is just as much of a lie as saying it's "TEH MOOAAAST DANGERUZZ DRAGGZ EVURRR!"

Everything in Moderation.

Soda will kill you if you pound it away for long enough.

Weed is effectively harmless, presuming you don't take too much of it, but that presumption is made by me about all things.

Water will kill you if you drink a ton and don't pee, for instance :P.

Eleuthera:
Good idea, the three warnings we get at the moment never really managed to convince me... but this one will surely do the job...

The idea is not without merit, if you poke someone long enough they'll eventually get pissed off even if they weren't initially.

Their hope is that you poke people enough they'll finally believe the malarky.

Problem is they are just poking people and generally if you peddle bullshit it will backfire on you hard.

Look at pregnancy rates among teens in the US vs. Abstinence education.

Drug use in states with harder drug laws.

If your grandstanding from an ideology instead of from a position of education the end result is usually the reverse of what you want.

Which then leads to even harsher crackdowns.

Which leads to even worse situations.

Until finally you have entire countries at war over plants and nobody seems to realize how silly it is.

Or in the case of piracy, you have government agencies running around imprisoning people or fining them 100X times the value of the item they copied.

The punishment for ACTUAL theft is in almost all cases smaller than piracy, which is a sign that something extremely moronic is going on.

theultimateend:

Heimir:

theultimateend:
So they are trying the "If you lie enough it'll be come true." thing?

A friend of mine nearly got disowned for smoking weed, his parents thought it was the most dangerous drug you could do. Note they smoke cigarettes.

I mention it only because its much like this, a long standing lie with no statistical support.

Speaking as someone who does neither drugs nor pirating, I support both because they are, as far as data shown me, harmless outside of the social negatives they create.

Not completley harmless, weed will make you an idiot in the long run. But so will alcohol. However Weed causes less conflicts and accidents. The only danger a driver high on weed poses is too himself as him going 10 mp/h on the highway will likely make truckers run him over or shoot him xD. Where as drunk drivers run over people because they're either aggressive and have impared perception and judgement or just the latter.

But to say it's "harmless" is just as much of a lie as saying it's "TEH MOOAAAST DANGERUZZ DRAGGZ EVURRR!"

Everything in Moderation.

Soda will kill you if you pound it away for long enough.

Weed is effectively harmless, presuming you don't take too much of it, but that presumption is made by me about all things.

Water will kill you if you drink a ton and don't pee, for instance :P.

Water is a bad analogy as that you need to live. And even pot will in length have effects on your brain even in moderate use. Water will not. That and water has 0% chance to cause psychosis. Whereas it is low but for some unlucky sods, I think it's like 1 in 1000'ish who gets it, effects vary. So, no it's not effectivley harmless. Pull your head out of your butt ;) What's worse than the anit-pot nazis is the stoner morons who try to make it look like it's completley side effect free.

However I am all for legalizing it as that would make it pharmacy or state run depending on where you live and therefor rip a huge chunk of cash from criminal scumbags income as people would go for the safer, more risk free and less "have to deal with criminal scumbags" way.

Heimir:

Water is a bad analogy as that you need to live. And even pot will in length have effects on your brain even in moderate use. Water will not. That and water has 0% chance to cause psychosis. Whereas it is low but for some unlucky sods, I think it's like 1 in 1000'ish who gets it, effects vary. So, no it's not effectivley harmless. Pull your head out of your butt ;) What's worse than the anit-pot nazis is the stoner morons who try to make it look like it's completley side effect free.

However I am all for legalizing it as that would make it pharmacy or state run depending on where you live and therefor rip a huge chunk of cash from criminal scumbags income as people would go for the safer, more risk free and less "have to deal with criminal scumbags" way.

I'm sorry, I made the mistake of listening to 4+ years of behavioral neuroscience education.

I'll be sure to take your advice instead.

Water is not a bad analogy because the point was that even things we need to live can kill us in large doses.

There is absolutely no evidence that moderate use of marijuana will lead to you being retarded. Similarly many of the most successful people in human history have been drug users of one kind or another.

Again, speaking as someone who doesn't go harder than Tylenol (which I'll admit is quite hefty).

Fighting piracy by punishing legitimate consumers.

That doesn't work.

"We need MOAR inconvenience!"

A few years ago, people jked about how these warnings do nothing but teach people the fact that pirated movies exist, and they could download them.

Now that everyone knows about piracy, these warnings still feel like piracy ads. This time, they are just bringing up the whole "victimless crime" argument, teaching their audiences who might have sometimes casually pirated stuff with no great consideration for morality, that actually there *is* a debate about whether or not piracy is a victimless crime.

Hopefully some of these viewers will even start looking into the matter, find themselves some statistics about how Hollywood's profits are increasing, how content sales didn't decrease in countries that legalized piracy, and how the copyright industry harms arts.

Because if there is one thing the copyright industry needs, it's more morally determined pirates.

So... pirates will simply have to sit through ten extra seconds of something.
And there will be much laughter.

Ticonderoga117:
Yup, this'll go over well. Luckily I just don't watch movies outside the theater all that much now these days. And no, it's not because I pirate, I just read or play video games to fill that time generally.

Found this youtube vid on this forum though and I figure it has something legitimate to say about pirating in general.

I'm going to imbed this because it's the most awesome thing from TED that I've seen on piracy, ever:

"Or about 75,000 jobs"

Blah....this is just going to make it even more boring. Glad I don't have any American DVDs.

Well i don't have right to complain I pirate all my movies like i'm supposed to so i don't have to watch all these adds :)

Grey Day for Elcia:

JediMB:

TizzytheTormentor:
(wasn't Alan Wake pirated so much, the game was a commercial failure)

Speaking of which, my copy will finish downloading in a minute or two.

On Steam, that is. Considered getting it cheaper on GOG, but I really wanted the soundtrack in Steam's Collector's Edition.

Wait, what? Alan Wake is on GOG?

They really need to change their name.

They did, actually. Sort of.

They re-branded from "Good Old Games" to simply "GOG.com", and now have a quite decent selection of relatively new games.

MelasZepheos:
Yeah I think they should stop trying to inform people of the law and trying to uphold it. I mean, who needs laws and rules? They just get in the way of things.

I'm rapidly losing any sympathy I might have possessed for anyone even vaguely in support of piracy even by apathy and omission. Piracy is illegal. This is a statement you would think it is hard to misunderstand but apparently people really are idiots. I don't need to be reminded again and again that stealing from a shop is wrong, or that copying someone's intellectual property and passing it off as my own is wrong, or that burglary or murder or speeding or assault is wrong (I am not comparing piracy to any of those crimes, I am listing them as crimes I have never had to be reminded about) yet somehow people can't get the hint that when something is illegal, you shouldn't do it.

Just to clarify, legality means fuck all to ethics/morality. Alcohol was once illegal throughout the USA. You wouldn't drink alcohol because back in the day a punch of moral panicked prudes outlawed it. Has nothing to do with the ethical status of using the substance. Same goes for weed. Things can be illegal and have no actual status as wrong or right inherent of the act. It is different than stealing a car or a purse because piracy is not theft.

People don't need told not to kill, steal, plagiarize, or harass others because all of those inflict harm. Most humans don't need to be told not to inflict harm on others. The status of being illegal doesn't make them wrong, the act does. Piracy being illegal doesn't make it wrong. Theft and murder could be perfectly legal but that doesn't mean they are any less wrong. It simply means there is no mandated punishment for them.

Piracy gets fixed by service. Why do i not pirate shows or movies anymore? I got netflix. Why do i not pirate games i could not find anywhere online/used stores but wanted to play? I have a GoG/GamersGate account. Easier than piracy and its legit. Piracy is not fixed by telling people who wont do it that they will be put in jail for 5 years if they avoid seeing this logo. Its fixed by allowing people to skip that shit.

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^Pirates. They look thirsty!

This is why we can't have nice things.

When we have nice things, people circumvent the system for them. When people circumvent the system, the system can only retaliate against the legitimate members.

From the economy to piracy, such is the way of the world.

Lost In The Void:

poiumty:

Lost In The Void:
Oh Good, this gives me more time to grab a beer and some popcorn before I start my movie. Thanks US Government, you never cease to help.

Or you could just do that while it's downloading. Saves some hassle.

I'M JOKING MODS. PUT DOWN THOSE BANHAMMERS. PUT THEM DOWN.

I disagree on piracy being either a crime or digital theft. But I'm sure Homeland Ignorance doesn't give three shits about that.

The thing is, those FBI warnings don't even apply to me, being Canadian so all it does is literally waste my time.

Think you are safe being outside the USA? We had the UK deport a student for copy right theft. State liens wont protect you from the long gun covered arm of MERICUH!!

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