Dark Souls Port Brings Console Problems to PC

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Daystar Clarion:

Julius-Seizure:

Hammeroj:
Unless you're parodying your own views on this, this is not about having a "better" version than consoles. This is about having a good version on PC. And these completely shitty visual specs are anything but good. Never mind the actual graphics of the game, which already people weren't even expecting would get reworked (stuff like textures getting an HD treatment at the minimum).

Are you saying that having the same version of the game as the consoles makes it a bad PC game? The version that reaped positive reviews worldwide, received awards for the musical score, level design and atmosphere, and has some of the best boss fights of this generation?

None of that praise is directed at the graphics, and why should it be? The gameplay is solid, the atmosphere is excellent and the level design is great. Is making it look pretty really all that important? I certainly don't think it is.

You.

I like you.

You should stay a while :D

If your experience with a game like Dark Souls is easily ruined by it being 30fps instead of 60fps, then you're doing it wrong :D

Seconded. I waited for the PC version just to have a personal experience with one of the best games this gen. I don't care if it's capped to 30 FPS or I can't play with 1680x1050 resolution. I just want to experience it up close and personal, something that only happens on PC (for me).

Julius-Seizure:
The problem with that being that From Software has no experience with the PC, so they have no idea how the knob on that door works.

That's a bullshit excuse.

That isn't to say it's not true, or even part of the reason, but as an excuse or justification it's a load of old wank.

*does some quick wiki'ing*

Righto, so it was Bandai Namco's decision to bring the game to PC... that explains a lot. I can't see those fuckheads ponying up enough money for From to anything more than a quick and dirty port. No outsourcing, no contracting a few PC specialists, no time to familiarise themselves with the platfom, no fucking anything.

To be honest, Bandai Namco are doing everything exactly the way they should if they want to ensure they're never asked to bring a game to PC ever again.

RhombusHatesYou:

To be honest, Bandai Namco are doing everything exactly the way they should if they want to ensure they're never asked to bring a game to PC ever again.

I've never understood the aversion to PC games in Japan. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

I'm pretty sure that enough people are going to buy it to warrant at least one patch, possibly fan-made.

gnihton:

thethird0611:

Oh, so PC gamers are spoiled then? You know, I wonder why its always "Console gamers only care about graphics and not story!", and not the other way around.

The frame rate and resolution (which are exactly the same on consoles), look beautiful. This is a company who knows nothing about PC games, and is making it look like the work of art it is on consoles, which is still amazingly beautiful.

No, I take your response as "We just care about graphics more than you, its not the difficulty, or story, or any of that, its the graphics." Hell, I just cant wait until you play the game and say "Wait, theres no story", because you care to much about graphics and not the details.

Well, I'm bloody sorry that I like to play games rather than slideshows.

You can keep your shitty low standards if you want, but trying to make anyone else out to be 'spoiled' because they don't share your poor eyesight is pathetic, you're like a blind parent demanding to have your children blinded because you don't want them to lead a better life than yourself.

Edit: And to reiterate, I couldn't care less about the graphics, which is apparently something you've ignored from every single post from a pc gamer so far. In fact, you seem to be obsessed by the idea that pc gamers only care about graphics... do I sense some envy?

Ha... Hahahaha.... Hahahahahahahahahaha. Your very first sentence just kills me. Dark Souls is all about the game, and there are very very very few cutscene's, thats why you have to pay attention to the minor details!

Actually, let me rephrase your metaphor. Im like a parent who takes a kid to a nice steak house, then the kid complains that he wants a better steak, and then tells him to enjoy is freaking 15 dollar steak. Enjoy the greatness of what it is, not what your spoiled for.

You know what, im glad YOU arent going to play it. You dont deserve it.

And no, to your edit, I dont mind PC gamers. I love the platform, as I play a few games on it. But its people like YOU who cant enjoy a game that has gotten rave reviews, has some of the BEST gameplay, and just because YOU cant get your framerate higher, your not going to play it.

Im happy PC gamers are getting this port, they get to enjoy the greatness of it.

Also, if you dont care about the graphics, why the hell are you against the game then? GFWL is the only real argument ive heard that even makes sense.

I don't think I have to read all of the first page to realize that this is mostly going to be about PC gamers whining that it's not making their Graphic Cards crack under the sheer power and beauty of the game. Honestly, people are whining about it being 720p and 30 fps? They really need to get over it.

30 fps doesn't look "choppy", it's average, nothing more. 720p is still technically HD.

Honestly, this is smugness at it's best, they're whining over a perfectly average frame rate and graphics setting. Stuff like this is what reminds me that it's probably for the best I'm not going to get into PC gaming.

Julius-Seizure:

RhombusHatesYou:

To be honest, Bandai Namco are doing everything exactly the way they should if they want to ensure they're never asked to bring a game to PC ever again.

I've never understood the aversion to PC games in Japan. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

It's not a 'japanese aversion to PC games' issue it's a 'a number of publishers and developers are dicks to PC gaming' issue. Bandai Namco are one of that number.

Of course, I'm already biased against them because of their lawsuits against CD Projekt.

Witty Name Here:
Honestly, this is smugness at it's best

No, 'smugness at it's best' would be telling gamers on other platforms what they should be happy with.

Watch as the PC gamers wank over how good their own version should be and how much better graphically they are, hear there shrill whine as they complain that the company is lazy and incompetent for not doing better, gnash your teeth as they ignore all your comments and instead ignore reason and logic for complaints! It's the circus of tears ladies and gentleman, step right up, step right up!

It's too bad they couldn't fix these issues, they likely did something dumb at low level or don't have the expertise to change things, or maybe they just don't have the time and its harder to do they they estimated. Anyways, it might have been a good idea to delay the port until they had it mostly done to avoid having to release it prematurely and not up to the standards that PC gamers have come to expect. They're going to receive quiet a bit of flak for this.

RhombusHatesYou:

Witty Name Here:
Honestly, this is smugness at it's best

No, 'smugness at it's best' would be telling gamers on other platforms what they should be happy with.

No, smugness is bitching at a company to make a game on your platform, even starting a petition to show you'd support it, then turning around and gasping at the sheer audacity of... Giving you the game you asked for with added DLC and nothing less.

What "Entitlement" do PC gamers have to a better port? By what right should a company have to bend over back to make your version "better" when it was the PC gamers who were pleading for the game in the first place. They didn't even have to make this game, yet it was the PC gamers that kept saying "Hey! This looks cool! We want to play it too!" Now they turn around and start saying "HOW DARE YOU GIVE US THE GAME THESE CONSOLE HEATHENS HAVE!!!!"

It's 30 fps, get over it, it's not a "slide show". It's not at all "inferior" for it.

See that boss fight? That's in 30 fps. It's not a "slide show", it's not "So Slow you might as well watch paint dry". It's 30 fps. It's average. Oh well.

To use an analogy: Stop complaining that you've got the same meal as everyone else and not one that comes with someone to wipe the grease off your face for you.

I've never heard of a movie that actually went above 30fps.

RhombusHatesYou:

Julius-Seizure:

RhombusHatesYou:

To be honest, Bandai Namco are doing everything exactly the way they should if they want to ensure they're never asked to bring a game to PC ever again.

I've never understood the aversion to PC games in Japan. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

It's not a 'japanese aversion to PC games' issue it's a 'a number of publishers and developers are dicks to PC gaming' issue. Bandai Namco are one of that number.

Of course, I'm already biased against them because of their lawsuits against CD Projekt.

At least you're honest. It's still not okay to demean the developer's lack of experience and funding when it's apparently the publisher's fault. I'm still pretty confident about it getting a patch, too. To be honest, I actually enjoyed the PC port of Dead Rising 2, so what do I know?

(It's like a dysfunctional elementary school in this thread, seriously. At least I can't actually hear the whining that's going on in here.)

Now i remember why i hate trying to say, "Im a PC gamer". I seriously start to feel like im insulting myself by dawning that title after reading these comments. >.>;

"30 FPS OH NO THE GAME IS RUINED!", "Locked resolution i cant buy this game!". Some people need to reassess their values when it comes to gaming. Everyone begged for a PC port. Now that its not perfect, half the people who probably cried for it to happen are ready to jump off the boat before they know if its going to sink or not.

Be happy PC is getting it at all! I know im getting it. Its even 20$ off on launch, how can you say "no" to one of the greatest games ever released, in slightly better quality then its console counter part, being released on PC?

I used to weep for the gaming community when i was mostly a console gamer. Now that ive mostly been a PC gamer, a member of the "Glorious Gaming Master Race", id be more then happy to go back to playing my 360 daily and carrying my PSP everywhere i go. Sure, the console may have a bunch of whiny, high pitched brats screaming racial slurs into their microphones, but at least the majority of them arnt stuck up (please excuse my language here) arse-candy who bitch about every little detail not being 110% created for PC.

You dont like the ports your getting? D:< Go buy an Xbox and/or PS3 and/or Wii gaming console, and stop begging for them to be ported. If i beg for a game, im at least going to support it to show were willing to make things happen. (sorry if your one of the good PC gamers who are going to support the game, and you feel lumped in with the sheeple after reading my rant, but im not talking about you. You guys make me happy <3 Not the console wars crowd, who cant see over their water-cooled motherboards that they are part of the problem in the long run!)

NOOO! I must be able to play this game on 5 monitors at a time with 15000 FPS at ALL TIMES! I can't play this game like a CONSOLE gamer. Heavens no! These are plebeian problems that a PC using GOD such as myself should NEVER have to encounter!

That is seriously what all these people complaining right now sound like. Just because you won't be able to see every bead of sweat drip down your character's face as he lie dead in the middle of brilliant dragonfire doesn't mean the game will be terrible. Haven't you people played any games that WEREN'T 1920x1080? I can think of quite a few that max at 720p and still look great.

It's funny, if they never ported this game you would still be just as angry because you ELITIST PC GAMER GODS DESERVE to have EVERY game released optimized for YOUR PC. And if it doesn't have 16x AA and 4x AS and 1024x1024 textures then somehow it's bad no matter what the game plays like.

You make all PC gamers look like entitled little children. Get over yourselves. I'll be having a BLAST playing this game. I won't care about any port quirks no sir.

I don't think its a 30 fps cap, more than just terrible optimization. Beefy rigs should be able to handle the game just fine.
From Software is awesome, but they don't really understand PC gaming.

Waaghpowa:

getoffmycloud:
I think it uses steam now they changed it after the outcry.

Nope

Read the bottom of "System requirements".

Additional: Online play requires software installation of and log-in to Games For Windows - LIVE

Oh, ouch, locked framerate, locked resolution and nearly the winner in worst online DRM to deal with. The trouble is that I've been looking for a good hardcore hack and slash rpg for a very long time and this looks like it was designed to fill that role perfectly. Difficult decision.

Do4600:

Waaghpowa:

getoffmycloud:
I think it uses steam now they changed it after the outcry.

Nope

Read the bottom of "System requirements".

Additional: Online play requires software installation of and log-in to Games For Windows - LIVE

Oh, ouch, locked framerate, locked resolution and nearly the winner in worst online DRM to deal with. The trouble is that I've been looking for a good hardcore hack and slash rpg for a very long time and this looks like it was designed to fill that role perfectly. Difficult decision.

Come on, how bad is GFWL really? I think everyone over exaggerates. I have an account and it is by no means "draconian". It's extremely easy. You load your game, sign in, and play. There, done. Just because it may not be a very graceful type DRM doesn't mean it's the worst thing to happen ever. I use it for GTA4 and RES 5. Not a problem to be had.

thethird0611:

Also, if you dont care about the graphics, why the hell are you against the game then? GFWL is the only real argument ive heard that even makes sense.

Oh. My. God. Do you even know what framerate is? You really, truly can't get your head around the idea that no one here cares about graphics, can you? So you're just assuming that framerate = graphics because 'It must be what those spoilt/elitist pc gamers are complaining about!'.

thethird0611:

Ha... Hahahaha.... Hahahahahahahahahaha. Your very first sentence just kills me. Dark Souls is all about the game, and there are very very very few cutscene's, thats why you have to pay attention to the minor details!

I was referring to the game. For some reason I didn't even think the game had cutscenes actually, apart from possibly an opening one. This is just further evidence you don't know what framerate is and are commenting out of ignorance.

thethird0611:

Actually, let me rephrase your metaphor. Im like a parent who takes a kid to a nice steak house, then the kid complains that he wants a better steak, and then tells him to enjoy is freaking 15 dollar steak. Enjoy the greatness of what it is, not what your spoiled for.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise the game was free. They're not doing charity you know, this makes them money (although I question how much now that it's confirmed the game will be unplayable for a lot of people). If they want my money, they have to offer something that's worth it, it's really that simple.

thethird0611:

You know what, im glad YOU arent going to play it. You dont deserve it.

Thanks, I like to think I don't deserve to be physically assaulted by a game. This game is really not consequential to me, there was just a big fuss about it so I thought 'I may as well have a look' and after this I've just thought 'Meh, I can live without'.

thethird0611:
But its people like YOU who cant enjoy a game that has gotten rave reviews,

That doesn't even deserve a response. I'm just going to say Sturgeon's Law, and leave you to your own devices. That is, assuming you don't go off and ask someone else what to think about it.

thethird0611:
has some of the BEST gameplay, and just because YOU cant get your framerate higher, your not going to play it.

If it's at 30fps, it isn't some of the best gameplay, and you simply can't argue that. The game might be good if it were a game rather than a slideshow, but I can easily get a better experience from pretty much every game ever. Because pretty much every game ever doesn't shoot itself in the foot by putting itself at a painful framerate, even console ports.

AC10:
To me it's like re-releasing a movie on bluray but keeping the image at the 480p from the DVD version.

What's the point? We already have the DVD version.

The difference being that not everyone who owns a PC also has a console.

Okay I get it everyone is going to say "PC elitist" but I don't care, this is ridiculous. A PC game that is locked at 720p and 30fps is unacceptable. Those who play consoles might not get that because they're used to things that look terrible and run like slideshows, but it's not my fault that you guys have low standards. Xbox and PS3 users are accustomed to playing poorly-optimized games with shitty resolution and abysmal frame rates but the standards of PC gaming are higher - and if a company can't manage to port a game in such a way that it can meet those standards, which are not unreasonable and consist mainly of "run faster than a Powerpoint", then they shouldn't fucking do it.

The problem isn't that PC gamers have a sense of entitlement; it's that console gamers have grown used to games that run like shit. When I purchase a PC game, I expect it to play to the strengths of my medium. If I wanted a slideshow with blown-out textures, I'd buy an overpriced gaming PC from 2007, which is, of course, what console gamers did when they bought the PS3.

gnihton:
Snip

Have you even played a game at 30 FPS? Or are you just assuming it's unplayable because 60 FPS feels so good? There's a nice video

Witty Name Here:

See that boss fight? That's in 30 fps. It's not a "slide show", it's not "So Slow you might as well watch paint dry". It's 30 fps. It's average. Oh well.

To use an analogy: Stop complaining that you've got the same meal as everyone else and not one that comes with someone to wipe the grease off your face for you.

here that shows you how it plays at that "oh so unplayable" 30 FPS. And please stop referring to the game a slideshow. The analogy is so idiotic.

peruvianskys:
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Not you too! Stop it. Please. Stop. Just, augh.... Watch the video and stop...

peruvianskys:

The problem isn't that PC gamers have a sense of entitlement; it's that console gamers have grown used to games that run like shit.

This exactly. The problem isn't people having unreasonably high expectations, it's console gamers being exposed almost entirely to tripe to the point that they think it's unreasonable (or 'entitled' as it's the ignorants' favourite buzzword) to expect something that isn't terrible.

Scumpernickle:

gnihton:
Snip

Have you even played a game at 30 FPS? Or are you just assuming it's unplayable because 60 FPS feels so good? There's a nice video

I actually recently bought L.A Noire on Steam, being impressed by what I'd seen and heard of it, I entered the game and immediately noticed in the opening cutscene that the game was a slideshow. I didn't even know that the game limited framerate, but I could tell in less than a second because it was that painfully noticeable.

peruvianskys:
Okay I get it everyone is going to say "PC elitist" but I don't care, this is ridiculous. A PC game that is locked at 720p and 30fps is unacceptable. Those who play consoles might not get that because they're used to things that look terrible and run like slideshows, but it's not my fault that you guys have low standards.
PS3.

gnihton:

thethird0611:

[quote="thethird0611" post="7.384561.15269880"]

[quote="thethird0611" post="7.384561.15269880"] has some of the BEST gameplay, and just because YOU cant get your framerate higher, your not going to play it.

If it's at 30fps, it isn't some of the best gameplay, and you simply can't argue that. The game might be good if it were a game rather than a slideshow, but I can easily get a better experience from pretty much every game ever. Because pretty much every game ever doesn't shoot itself in the foot by putting itself at a painful framerate, even console ports.

Are you people fucking bonkers? How on earth is 30 FPS a slideshow?

gnihton:

peruvianskys:

The problem isn't that PC gamers have a sense of entitlement; it's that console gamers have grown used to games that run like shit.

This exactly. The problem isn't people having unreasonably high expectations, it's console gamers being exposed almost entirely to tripe to the point that they think it's unreasonable (or 'entitled' as it's the ignorants' favourite buzzword) to expect something that isn't terrible.

Yeah, consoles are running on dated hardware, and yes, any computer built after 2009 outperforms them, but the games aren't "shit". Graphics, framerate, control, functionality, whatever you want to talk about, is not shit on consoles. Would you call a NES shit? How about a PS2? So why call something dated shit? Just because it inconveniences you now?

I also remember somebody saying that the devs themselves said not to expect a stellar port. Yet everyone expects something better than the consoles.

TLDR: Dated =/= Shit

gnihton:
Snip

I guess you didn't read my slideshow rant there.

You know, movies run at 30 FPS (a hair under actually). How's that for a nice slideshow boyo?

Meaning of Karma:

peruvianskys:
Okay I get it everyone is going to say "PC elitist" but I don't care, this is ridiculous. A PC game that is locked at 720p and 30fps is unacceptable. Those who play consoles might not get that because they're used to things that look terrible and run like slideshows, but it's not my fault that you guys have low standards.
PS3.

gnihton:

thethird0611:

[quote="thethird0611" post="7.384561.15269880"]

[quote="thethird0611" post="7.384561.15269880"] has some of the BEST gameplay, and just because YOU cant get your framerate higher, your not going to play it.

If it's at 30fps, it isn't some of the best gameplay, and you simply can't argue that. The game might be good if it were a game rather than a slideshow, but I can easily get a better experience from pretty much every game ever. Because pretty much every game ever doesn't shoot itself in the foot by putting itself at a painful framerate, even console ports.

Are you people fucking bonkers? How on earth is 30 FPS a slideshow?

Because of monitors don't work the same way a TV does , plus you are sitting a lot lot closer to it generally with a PC so it's blindingly obvious .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlaced_video

TVs use interlacing pc monitors do not, pc monitors us e progressive scanning. The difference is like night and day at 30fps, on a tv it's effectively 60 fps because of the way interlacing works, monitor users on the other hand have no such benefit.

Oh plus of there is fps drop which is quite possible with the way the game runs (dark town) then its going to look like a PowerPoint presentation.

Scumpernickle:
Have you even played a game at 30 FPS? Or are you just assuming it's unplayable because 60 FPS feels so good? There's a nice video

I have not played a game that was capped at 30 FPS although sometimes my game spikes and the FPS goes that low and to be quite frank it is painful when that happens. As for your video, when I set it to 720p and open it up on full screen ya it is certainly playable but it is not something I would pay $40 for.

Also considering, as many others have pointed out, they are ignoring certain standards that have been set for several years now console port or not, I believe people have a right to complain. If the next CoD or Battlefield came out and had no multiplayer in it, do you think people would not complain and be "ok" with it?

Ultimately I find it rather depressing that people need to tell me what I like and what is good to me.

Do4600:
Oh, ouch, locked framerate, locked resolution and nearly the winner in worst online DRM to deal with. The trouble is that I've been looking for a good hardcore hack and slash rpg for a very long time and this looks like it was designed to fill that role perfectly. Difficult decision.

Things like FPS and texture resolutions can be worked around assuming that GFWL doesn't pick it up as something modified and bans your ass. My reason for not getting it is that I just don't like GFWL, poor performance is partly a deal breaker for me too, but as I said, you can generally work around those.

Meaning of Karma:
Are you people fucking bonkers? How on earth is 30 FPS a slideshow?

It's not literally a slide show but they refer to the amount of time between frames which can affect the perception of movement. Ever had an experience with consistently higher frame rates? In a lot of cases, being restricted to 30 fps not only affects visual quality, but can also cause a significant amount of input lag. People playing with controllers don't usually notice because of analogue sticks. The dead zone with controllers offsets it and you don't notice it as much.

The input lag I mentioned is very noticeable in FPS games, especially when playing with a mouse and keyboard where you expect your movements to be 1:1 with your mouse movements.

Keep in mind that not everyone experiences this, but when you're accustomed to double the number of frames per second, it becomes very noticeable. In some cases, especially in mine, it causes headaches/migraines or nausea.

Zipa:
Because of monitors don't work the same way a TV does , plus you are sitting a lot lot closer to it generally with a PC so it's blindingly obvious .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlaced_video

TVs use interlacing pc monitors do not, pc monitors us e progressive scanning. The difference is like night and day at 30fps, on a tv it's effectively 60 fps because of the way interlacing works, monitor users on the other hand have no such benefit.

Oh plus of there is fps drop which is quite possible with the way the game runs (dark town) then its going to look like a PowerPoint presentation.

Also what this guy said. People don't realize that monitors and TVs function differently.

Waaghpowa:

Meaning of Karma:
Are you people fucking bonkers? How on earth is 30 FPS a slideshow?

It's not literally a slide show but they refer to the amount of time between frames which can affect the perception of movement. Ever had an experience with consistently higher frame rates? In a lot of cases, being restricted to 30 fps not only affects visual quality, but can also cause a significant amount of input lag. People playing with controllers don't usually notice because of analogue sticks. The dead zone with controllers offsets it and you don't notice it as much.

The input lag I mentioned is very noticeable in FPS games, especially when playing with a mouse and keyboard where you expect your movements to be 1:1 with your mouse movements.

Keep in mind that not everyone experiences this, but when you're accustomed to double the number of frames per second, it becomes very noticeable. In some cases, especially in mine, it causes headaches/migraines or nausea.

Zipa:

Meaning of Karma:

peruvianskys:
Okay I get it everyone is going to say "PC elitist" but I don't care, this is ridiculous. A PC game that is locked at 720p and 30fps is unacceptable. Those who play consoles might not get that because they're used to things that look terrible and run like slideshows, but it's not my fault that you guys have low standards.
PS3.

gnihton:

If it's at 30fps, it isn't some of the best gameplay, and you simply can't argue that. The game might be good if it were a game rather than a slideshow, but I can easily get a better experience from pretty much every game ever. Because pretty much every game ever doesn't shoot itself in the foot by putting itself at a painful framerate, even console ports.

Are you people fucking bonkers? How on earth is 30 FPS a slideshow?

Because of monitors don't work the same way a TV does , plus you are sitting a lot lot closer to it generally with a PC so it's blindingly obvious .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlaced_video

TVs use interlacing pc monitors do not, pc monitors us e progressive scanning. The difference is like night and day at 30fps, on a tv it's effectively 60 fps because of the way interlacing works, monitor users on the other hand have no such benefit.

Oh plus of there is fps drop which is quite possible with the way the game runs (dark town) then its going to look like a PowerPoint presentation.

Well, I stand corrected. But you'll have to forgive me if I still think that the guys who I initially responded to are several other kinds of crazy.

Meaning of Karma:
Well, I stand corrected. But you'll have to forgive me if I still think that the guys who I initially responded to are several different kinds of crazy.

To be fair, a lot of people are responding to the comments regarding the FPS cap with an understandable degree of ignorance. In fact, a lot of the accusations being made towards PC gamers being "Entitled" or "Elitist" is fairly ignorant. Wanting a game that performs well with high end hardware isn't entitled. How would you react if one of your xbox/ps3 games ran like crap? You would be complaining your ass off I'm sure. It's not a matter of "You should be grateful" bullshit, it's a matter of being able to provide a decent product, which so far this is shaping up to be less than optimal.

As Zipa has shown, people simply don't understand the difference and are quick to jump to conclusions without knowing the facts.

Waaghpowa:

Meaning of Karma:
Well, I stand corrected. But you'll have to forgive me if I still think that the guys who I initially responded to are several different kinds of crazy.

To be fair, a lot of people are responding to the comments regarding the FPS cap with an understandable degree of ignorance. In fact, a lot of the accusations being made towards PC gamers being "Entitled" or "Elitist" is fairly ignorant. Wanting a game that performs well with high end hardware isn't entitled. How would you react if one of your xbox/ps3 games ran like crap? You would be complaining your ass off I'm sure. It's not a matter of "You should be grateful" bullshit, it's a matter of being able to provide a decent product, which so far this is shaping up to be less than optimal.

As Zipa has shown, people simply don't understand the difference and are quick to jump to conclusions without knowing the facts.

I'm talking less about the whole "entitlement" thing[1] and more about the " You console gamers are just so used to getting shit shoved down your throat!" thing.

It makes several nasty implications that I don't think are true, to put it lightly.

[1] Which I also think is a steaming load of horseshit

Lol in the absolute worst case scenario, PC gamers know that the game will work and still be just as fun as the console version.

Exactly WHY should I be outraged that they are not giving one side an advantage in this? OH WAIT your getting new content for free anyway -_-

Julius-Seizure:
I've never heard of a movie that actually went above 30fps.

Yeah but last time I looked games aren't movies.

Thing is, and I've never understand why it comes up so rarely in fps pissing contests, is that a higher frame rate allows for more responsive controls... it's to do with instuction sets being processed between frame renders.

RhombusHatesYou:

Julius-Seizure:

I've never understood the aversion to PC games in Japan. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

It's not a 'japanese aversion to PC games' issue it's a 'a number of publishers and developers are dicks to PC gaming' issue. Bandai Namco are one of that number.

Of course, I'm already biased against them because of their lawsuits against CD Projekt.

At least you're honest. It's still not okay to demean the developer's lack of experience and funding when it's apparently the publisher's fault.

I didn't demean From... I mean, I can demean them if it's important to you that I do so but I'd rather continue to point an accusatory finger at Bandai Namco *spits*.

Here's the thing, From might be inexperienced with PCs, they might not have been given sufficient resource, and yeah, they probably are doing the best they can with what they were given. I won't argue that.

From are probably completely blameless in all this and don't deserve the shit being thrown at them...

... BUT

Even taking all that into consideration, even if we take it as gospel truth, it doesn't excuse the fact that some fuckpuddle, somewhere (most likely at Bandai Namco in this case), thinks it's perfectly fine to keep pushing copy-paste ports on PC gamers... not to mention adding GFWL on top of that.

I'm still pretty confident about it getting a patch, too.

Fan patches don't count, though. It's got to be official support.

To be honest, I actually enjoyed the PC port of Dead Rising 2, so what do I know?

Dead Rising 2 was an okay PC port. A bit clunky on the volumetrics but otherwise not much I can remember about it to complain about... Sort of surprising in a way, seeing as it's a Capcom title... who didn't think to add mouse support for their RE 4 PC port.

Waaghpowa:
How would you react if one of your xbox/ps3 games ran like crap? You would be complaining your ass off I'm sure.

Man, the next time a PS3 game has *ahem* 'launch performance issues' (it's like erectile dysfunction for games!), and it's always the PS3 version that has the problem, I'm going to be tempted to use the 'you should be grateful' routine.

Viper114:
Sure, bringing Dark Souls to the PC sounds like a good idea, but we're dealing with a company who have primarily worked on consoles with little to no experience with the PC. And as a result, they're putting out a copy of the game with not only no optimizations but with the same problems as the consoles. And Lord knows what the hell else may lurk in there...

I applaud them for trying to appease the fans, but I'm pretty certain they're not going to like how rabid the fans will get with this come release. If only they had either taken more time with it or handed it off to a team with previous PC experience, maybe it could have been cleaned up.

well if the uppity PC fans don't buy it after they demanded it, the developers won't even bother to release any more ports. They have implied as much in the past, and it's why they were hesitant to make the port in the first place. Too many PC gamers are never happy with what they get, and will burn the developer too much.

It's a company taking it's first foray into putting on the PC game at all, let alone a port, and they get nothing but hate from it. I hope they never do anything nice for you guys again.

RhombusHatesYou:

Julius-Seizure:
I've never heard of a movie that actually went above 30fps.

Yeah but last time I looked games aren't movies.

[I just think it's weird is all]

Thing is, and I've never understand why it comes up so rarely in fps pissing contests, is that a higher frame rate allows for more responsive controls... it's to do with instuction sets being processed between frame renders.

[I'm positive there will be a fix for that, fan-made or not. I don't care which]

RhombusHatesYou:

It's not a 'japanese aversion to PC games' issue it's a 'a number of publishers and developers are dicks to PC gaming' issue. Bandai Namco are one of that number.

Of course, I'm already biased against them because of their lawsuits against CD Projekt.

At least you're honest. It's still not okay to demean the developer's lack of experience and funding when it's apparently the publisher's fault.

I didn't demean From... I mean, I can demean them if it's important to you that I do so but I'd rather continue to point an accusatory finger at Bandai Namco *spits*.

[help how do i reading comprehension]

Here's the thing, From might be inexperienced with PCs, they might not have been given sufficient resource, and yeah, they probably are doing the best they can with what they were given. I won't argue that.

From are probably completely blameless in all this and don't deserve the shit being thrown at them...

... BUT

Even taking all that into consideration, even if we take it as gospel truth, it doesn't excuse the fact that some fuckpuddle, somewhere (most likely at Bandai Namco in this case), thinks it's perfectly fine to keep pushing copy-paste ports on PC gamers... not to mention adding GFWL on top of that.

[GFWL is pretty much encouragement from Microsoft to stop playing PC games and move to the Xbox, where they can charge you to use your internet connection. I can deal with it, though. And the backlash will have different effects based on how many copies are sold. If it's too few, "PC players obviously have no interest in our continued support for their platform". If it's enough, which is sadly unlikely, "PC players have high expectations, but are willing to pay for those expectations. We will continue to support their platform".]

I'm still pretty confident about it getting a patch, too.

Fan patches don't count, though. It's got to be official support.

[Less positive, but still hopeful about an official patch. I doubt it would fix most of the problems PC players have with the fact that it's a console port, though]

To be honest, I actually enjoyed the PC port of Dead Rising 2, so what do I know?

Dead Rising 2 was an okay PC port. A bit clunky on the volumetrics but otherwise not much I can remember about it to complain about... Sort of surprising in a way, seeing as it's a Capcom title... who didn't think to add mouse support for their RE 4 PC port.

[Their port of DMC4 had, and I'm directly quoting the steam store page here:

-Turbo mode will turn-up the action to insane speeds

-"Legendary Dark Knight Mode" will harness advanced PC processing power and fill the screen with an unbelievable number of enemies for extra difficulty

-Familiar enemies from the console versions will show-up in new locations

-High resolution screen settings allow the cut scenes of the game to run at up to 120 frames per second (up from 60 frames per second)

-Benchmark Testing lets users test PC performance to run DMC4 through a series of intense boss fights

-PC Settings allow you to customize graphic resolutions, texture sizes, and a frame rate in accordance with your PC.]

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