The Philippines Outlaws Trolls, Cybersex

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I dunno...on one hand, you got countries working on creepy ways to interact with each other online, most meant for couples who are far away (Like that weird head you kiss and the other person has the same device on the other end of the connection?). And hey, if its for that purpose, a couple should be allowed to do whatever.
On the other hand, cybersex is...weird. Ad as far as I know, only horny teenagers do it. For malicious purposes, then sure, arrest people. But I dunno, seems a bit excessive for the rest.

As far as trolls, sure, they suck balls. But jail? Eh...too much also. Unless they're the psychopath kind that go look you up and beat you up, then sure. but in that case, the problem is not bullying but more or a psychological problem. Most of them are just insecure people acting like big shots. We all know you just gotta ignore a troll and move on.

So yeah...isn't there anything else to do in the Philippines than to pick on people online? Like, you know, criminals out there? ...No? Alright, my bad, then.

tangoprime:

Boudica:

maddawg IAJI:

He didn't call anyone a whore though. There is no specific group or gender or race or anything who is left being targeted by that phrase. He used the word in a descriptive manner to give us a stereotypical image of who is effected by this law. In this case, we imagine the duck facing teenagers who are constantly posting images of themselves with statues that say "OMG! im so fat!". Its not a group of people and it isn't a single person. Its a stereotype, a stock character, a ludicrous idea that we use not as an insult, but to laugh at the sheer absurdity of someone actually acting like that. Yes, there are some people who act that way, in the same way that there are actual hipsters who use the phrase "too mainstream", but I highly doubt many of them will be "insulted" by what Mr.Carter said and I doubt they even crossed Mr. Carter's mind when he wrote it down. Heck, you did the same thing when you wrote a stereotypical description of people who use the words like whore, slut or skank. You created an absurd stereotypical image that is meant to convey an image of a goody two shoes individual. And you know what? I'm sure there are people in this world who would still take offense at your definition.

True, you do have the right to give constructive criticism, but I am not seeing the same issue from my point of view. You're giving far too much power to the word and you're allowing it to be offensive when its not even being used as an insult, but as an internet meme.

If you entered a thread and used the terms nerd, geek or loser, justifying it by saying it's a genuine descriptor for people that are into technology, you'd be laughed at and hit the a warning. If you do the same thing with cam whore in its place, you should also cop the penalty.

It is exceptionally offensive to women and it's not okay. Do not use it to describe someone. Simple. We had this conversation not long ago and Susan clarified; you are not to use words or phrases that can be reasonably believed to be offensive -- you don't call a friend "nigger" here, even if you two genuinely use it in casual conversation. If you call someone a whore, you are being offensive. I don't make a thread and throw around loser, geek and nerd, hiding behind the inane excuse that I didn't aim it at anyone specifically.

Microsoft is changing their EULA? Too bad for all the losers and nerds.

Stereotyping your target and pretending it's normal to slander and degrade certain people doesn't make it any better. Don't even try to act like it does.

I... have to agree. That was a bit cringe worthy. "Cam Prostitutes" would have, maybe, been acceptable to see, since that's a descriptor accurate to what the law was talking about, but yeah, what was there was a bit much, glad it's been changed.

This. I agree, too. "Cam prostitute" is what came to mind for me, too.

Grey, thanks for changing it. Be more wary in the future, please. Boudica isn't the only one who found your choice of words offensive. She's pissed off enough for us all.

Call down, Boudica. If you get banned you won't be able to speak against this sort of thing.

The Pumpkin Witch:

Grey, thanks for changing it. Be more wary in the future, please. Boudica isn't the only one who found your choice of words offensive. She's pissed off enough for us all.

Call down, Boudica. If you get banned you won't be able to speak against this sort of thing.

At the risk of causing more of a kerfuffle; I didn't change my wording, my editor did. If given the choice, I wouldn't have.

Interesting that "Cam Whores," which is entirely gender neutral, has sparked offense, while "Cam Girls," which implies the activity is limited solely to women, hasn't. Odd that.

TopazFusion:

The Pumpkin Witch:
Call down, Boudica. If you get banned you won't be able to speak against this sort of thing.

uhhh, I hate to be "that guy", but according to this post it's already too late.

I was about to point out in a lengthy and drawn out post the logical fallacies in her original post, but this makes my life easier; now I may go do something constructive like study for my exams or walk the dog or play DoW2 until I promise for the tenth time this month that I am quitting.

Derpderpderp ignore post

I don't really understand all the hate on the OP's post at all. None of it was intended to be disrespectful.

Though it may be colored by the fact that I've seen Grey's writings/posts and he seems like he's all 'nice and funny' without a hint of malice .__.

Grey Carter:
The Philippines Outlaws Trolls, Cybersex

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According to comments made to The Sun (the newspaper, as opposed to the celestial body) the cybersex law is designed to protect young women from being forced into the "cam girls" trade.

My big problem is this: when, in the history of humanity, has prohibition of ANYTHING ever stopped people from doing it? No, I'm afraid this will just turn those cam girls it's trying to save from the profession into prisoners.

Bring on the censorship! I've had my fill of trolls, tyvm, and I have no need of cybersex!

Too bad they can't do this in the US, their prisons are overflowing and they probably can't afford to arrest, say, 150 million or so americans for trolling.

TopazFusion:

The Pumpkin Witch:
Call down, Boudica. If you get banned you won't be able to speak against this sort of thing.

uhhh, I hate to be "that guy", but according to this post it's already too late.

Boudica was banned? Fantastic.
*Ahem* Anyway... As many others have said here, how would one go about enforcing this law? Full scale internet censorship in a country might be quite a difficult feat, and I really don't think their government would actually bother jailing children for 12 years for trolling. I guess they can rationalize the cyber sex thing in anyway they want, I just really don't see how it would work.

Grey Carter:

The Pumpkin Witch:

Grey, thanks for changing it. Be more wary in the future, please. Boudica isn't the only one who found your choice of words offensive. She's pissed off enough for us all.

Call down, Boudica. If you get banned you won't be able to speak against this sort of thing.

At the risk of causing more of a kerfuffle; I didn't change my wording, my editor did. If given the choice, I wouldn't have.

Interesting that "Cam Whores," which is entirely gender neutral, has sparked offense, while "Cam Girls," which implies the activity is limited solely to women, hasn't. Odd that.

Baiting, Grey? Not all of us will let ourselves lose our tempers.

As I said earlier the term "Cam prostitute" would be preferable. It would also me more intructive. "Cam girls" could leave anyone scratching their head if mentioned without context.

You may intend "Cam Whore" to be gender neutral. I understand. But whenever people use the terms 'slut', 'whore', or even 'prostitute' the terms are generally associated with women because, obviously, most prostitutes are women. If you called a guy a slut I think most guys would preen at the idea of being so 'studly' they could get paid for sex.

'Whore' and 'slut' are more derogatory terms than 'prostitute'. The negative association is felt there by most women. Given that the laws the Philippinos passed are apparently intended to fight the coercion of women and especially under aged girls into working for pimps the use of "Cam Whore" feels callous. Like many women I've known a couple of girls who have prostituted themselves. It isn't glamorous or sexy. One girl I'll call "Jane" only did it because she couldn't afford to keep her apartment and was afraid of being evicted and thrown into the street. That was before we met and became friends, but I could tell it haunted her. The prostitution business isn't "Pretty Woman".

12 YEARS for such a thing? Holy hell that is wrong. You could probably kill a few people and not go over 10 years.

The guys making the rule must have been like "Well if I can't do it, NO ONE can!". As it sounds like someone is seriously butthurt from this.

12 years? Good lord.

...It really is mind-boggling how unbelievably fucked up things are in almost every Asian nation, and how poorly their societies treat them.

Not that there's any shortage of fucked upedness in non-Asian countries, but certain things are seriously out of hand over there.

Also, Mr. Carter, as a presence on this site, you should know there are certain types of fire you don't play with around here; sexism has become one of them. Admit you made an error in your judgement, as it doesn't matter whether you find it offensive or not in the end, and back out with grace; don't make it out to be other peoples' problem that you didn't see a potential for backlash. I wouldn't have found it offensive either (prostitution of any sort isn't a glorious business, no, but there are some people who enjoy doing it and would regret not being allowed to, whether you like it or not), but I'm just one person.

Ah, silly me, I was expecting them to crack down hard on folks hacking people up with machetes because of cultural incompatibilities.

Much easier to crack down on cybercrime. Especially since the majority of folks in the Philippines are still stuck with getting ripped off in less arcane and digital ways.

If anything that doesn't involve an ongoing clash of civilizations would require an immediate response, it would be anything involving security or health issues, just on the subject of security we could fill binders with tons of important papers and ideas. OH, and what about the whole HIV/AIDS epidemic? It seems to be more popular than the pope over there.

How about wearing helmets when riding a motorbike, so you don't end up spreading your brain jelly all over the road?

How about proper DL process and control, so no knucklehead can run over your whole family, just because he's driving a car even though he's got the IQ of a loaf of bread and is blind?

This... this is very silly. I'm certain it will solve their problems and not create thousands upon thousands of cases that ring up very large price tags for the enforcement costs when these things are completely harmless. Cybersex? Really? Who exactly does it hurt when two consenting adults are talking about humping each other on the net?

Oh my Boudica was banned. Now who will the forum team up against when it comes to controversial threads? Can't say I'm surprised... even if she asked for it, she didn't make a point and now she won't be able to post and defend herself. Shame really. Onto the next one

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