Muslim Complaints Get Modern Warfare 2 Map Pulled

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It's complicated.
First, I've seen a lot of Muslims get REALLY ANGRY at a lot of things, but what I don't understand is why the inconsistency? Just try to count the offensive things to Christians in video games: parodies, Catholic Church, calling Christians stupid. Wow. I've seen tons of that, but my question is: why accommodate the Muslims? Don't get me wrong I have no hate for Islam, but why the special treatment?

Also, Muslims are VERY sensitive to such issues (South Park episodes, a certain "Innocence" video, etc) as well they probably should be.

Now I have absolutely nothing against Muslims, but this is fucking ridiculous. Every single time they feel their religion is being insulted they have to have a huge protest. The amount they protest- actually no protesting is usually organized, they get fucking intense about this stuff which explodes into a riot. The worst thing about this is they get what they want. They throw a temper tantrum, and then whatever it is gets pulled. Whether it's a comic, show, or even a fucking picture over a toilet. Get. the fuck. over it.

Blunderboy:
Wait, someone found time during a CoD game to look at the quotation written on a painting in a bathroom?

I think you're doing it wrong.

This. The number of times I've been shot to death in this game while hiding in that room nursing a 10 kill streak waiting for my AC-130 are countless. I'd always debate if it's safe to reload, then upon electing to reload, an enemy would walk in the door. Who the hell decides to look at the picture frames with a scope?

Also, out of curiosity, isn't it bad in most religions to kill other humans? So if you're gonna get offended about virtual content, I'd start there, since it's what the game revolves around. It's hard to be annoyed at this guy, since he put it very nicely, but still... If such a small thing offends you, I think you should re-evaluate your priorities, and probably stop playing CoD online.

Wait, what do we know about the family that lived in the house.
They weren't necessarily muslim and maybe bought the frame at a store cos they thought it was nice and didn't think twice about the "pretty design around the edges".
Sure if they invited any muslim friends over they might have been offended but that clearly didn't happen before all hell broke loose and people started using the house as shelter from enemy fire.

It's a game...

Right, I'm off to the store and gonna find me a picture frame for my portrait of the Virgin Mary that I want to hang next to the septic tank.

...Ad Absurdum

Grey Carter:
Media Molecule's Little Big Planet was famously delayed when it became apparent one of the musical tracks from the game contained lines from the Koran. More recently, Hindus took offense when Hi-Rez Studios' announced that their upcoming fighter title, Smite, would feature characters from the Hindu pantheon.

Because they learned their lesson about religion: that Islam has some of the most defensive, bitchiest demographics of religion on the planet.

I love how can just whine about anything under the guise of "It offends my religion" and eventually you'll get your own way.

God damnit Activision. You can't keep giving special treatment to people because you fear they'll react violently - that just makes them believe their actions are justified.

Fuck all religion.

DeadpoolPwnz:

Mygaffer:

DeadpoolPwnz:

Not muslim, also I wouldn't try it, just curious if anyone has.

Why would you even bring that up though? No one here made a bomb threat or a threat of ANY physical violence. Basically some small group of Muslim gamers posted a video asking Activision to correct that small mistake. They didn't demand they change it, they did not threaten violence, they just said, "this is offensive to us, can you change it?"

So why does that make you so sick? Why do you want to send them bomb threats?

Jesus lighten up dude it was meant to be silly. Personally I don't really care either way, you could argue a number of points for either side of this. My honest opinion is that I respect the maker of the video for having the courage to make said video knowing full well the garbage that would be slung at him on youtube. I also think it was pretty good on Activision's part to actually do something when they could have easily just ignored it.

Edit: Does this mean Activision will take me seriously if I ask nicely for a Warcraft 4? (an RTS not another addon to WoW)

I get upset by this stuff b/c if someone was to come into a thread here and talk about how "blacks always complain about every little thing" they would get a warning or suspension but everyone can talk all day about "Muslims get upset about every little thing" and its all good.

Sure are a lot of generalizations in this thread. People seem to have this idea in their head that all Muslims are as bad as the people who held those riots over nothing a few weeks back and that's ridiculous. It's like saying every Christian is no different then those Westboro Baptist nuts.

The CoD community should be grateful anyway, as Favela is a terrible map.

I read the whole first page of replies, then scanned the remaining pages (which are many). All I have to say is THANK YOU to 99% of you posters who brought a smile to my face and hope to my otherwise dashed view on humanity. There are literally too many replies that I would love to quote and give massive thumbs up too.

Too bad, the Escapist doesn't have a "Like" or "Thumbs Up" thingy to click if you like a reply.

Hmmm...I wonder if I said I was offended by NOT having that thingy if it would change things...

No?

Oh alright.

=D

To the asshat who whined about this and got the map pulled.

you mean you are offended? SO WHAT!?!

Seriously, deal with it and use your own judgement on it all you want but don't be "that guy" about this shit while hiding behind your religious shield. It is pathetic. It is pathetic in the way you think you should dictate the art of others back to them (this being the art of the game itself and the atmosphere they were trying to make. I'm assuming the atmosphere being on of "people of a variety of backgrounds were living in this place until very recently so signs of that still linger"), and it is pathetic in the idea it shows such a lack of conviction or legitimate faith in your own beliefs. That you would feel insulted or worse about a decorative painting in a bathroom is fine, bit oversensitive in my mind, but fine. But that you would want the map pulled shows such insecurity that I don't think "spineless pansy-assed whiner" can quite meet the definition of it.

And no, I'm not not bitter about it personally, I hate the franchise and never play the games. This is just my reaction to a situation that seems to be playing softball with a major global religion because some assholes seem to demand to be catered to and handled with kid gloves to protect their absurd beliefs and are actually given it. Honestly, christians are mocked and belittled all the time, even jews get a bit here and there. Muslims though? Either it is an over-protected subject or it is some jerk being over zealous and outright hostile in throwing digs at it. Grow the hell up, welcome to the 21st century and man up to the fact that means people will mock and belittle your religion the same as everyone else's and that trying to play politically correct butt-hurt bullshit over every minor use of your religion that isn't giving it a long and luxurious blowjob treatment will only get your religion even MORE mocked and hated as people see that as a preferential treatment that is (quite rightly described as) special treatment.

LifeMakesMeLOL:
Sure are a lot of generalizations in this thread. People seem to have this idea in their head that all Muslims are as bad as the people who held those riots over nothing a few weeks back and that's ridiculous. It's like saying every Christian is no different then those Westboro Baptist nuts.

The CoD community should be grateful anyway, as Favela is a terrible map.

I must have missed the articles where the westboro folk were bombing buildings, cutting off peoples heads and rioting over a stupid 2 minute video clip, could you link me to those?

blackrave:
Funny people- they don't mind that they are being killed in hundreds every day
But as soon as you somehow touch their book of fairy tales or their pedophile prophet- suddenly they are enraged
And you know what is the most fucked up thing in this? THEY ARE NOT ENRAGED, simply muslim elite uses such things as excuses to show their supposed superiority.
As if they have unique right to bitch and moan about every tiny thing they don't like and everyone else is supposed to simply accept it.

P.S. Friendly advice- don't read Koran, unless you are of strong mind, otherwise you'll get indoctrinated. I'm not kidding, even translated version is set in such way that it will change the way you are thinking, unless you keep your guard up.
P.P.S. Now I know how Illusive Man felt.

I have read the quran, and while you are right, it's less effective than you make it out to be. There are no hypnotoads hiding between the pages waiting to force your mind into submission.

Interesting facts, though:

The head dresses often worn by women are there to "keep their skin fair", and are mentioned as being entirely optional.

Striking a woman is supposed to be punished with removal of one's hands.

Abrahamic faiths are to be treated as equals, since apparently Muhammad was at least smart enough to realize these religions are very similar.

P.S. No, I'm not a muslim, I just wanted to know what this books actual contents are, as opposed to what people say it is.

FelixG:

LifeMakesMeLOL:
Sure are a lot of generalizations in this thread. People seem to have this idea in their head that all Muslims are as bad as the people who held those riots over nothing a few weeks back and that's ridiculous. It's like saying every Christian is no different then those Westboro Baptist nuts.

The CoD community should be grateful anyway, as Favela is a terrible map.

I must have missed the articles where the westboro folk were bombing buildings, cutting off peoples heads and rioting over a stupid 2 minute video clip, could you link me to those?

Thank you for proving my point.

Thats absolutely fair in my opinion. Assuming the developers werent trying to cause offence, it makes perfect sense for them to take out a minor graphic to avoid upsetting people.

Luke Brittain:
It's complicated.
First, I've seen a lot of Muslims get REALLY ANGRY at a lot of things, but what I don't understand is why the inconsistency? Just try to count the offensive things to Christians in video games: parodies, Catholic Church, calling Christians stupid. Wow. I've seen tons of that, but my question is: why accommodate the Muslims? Don't get me wrong I have no hate for Islam, but why the special treatment?

Because they're the ones who blow things up, burn things down, and generally kick off in a huge, huge way at the slightest insult.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Or, to put it another way: Terrorism works.

Now, I'm not calling all Muslims terrorists, indeed for the first 15 years of my life if anybody was going to try and kill me and my family it would have been Irish Catholics, it's only been the last 11 years that Muslim fundamentalists have come to the fore.

However, one cannot deny that violence on a global scale by a few bad Muslims seems to have benefited the more peaceful crowd who still like to get offended by stuff.

To give a personal anecdote (never really of any value in an internet debate, but I enjoy bringing them up so, meh...): I know a school teacher who is apparently not allowed to call one of her Students 'Mohammed', despite that being his name.

The reason? The parents don't want non-muslims calling their son Mohammed. The school has obliged and told all the staff there not to call this child Mohammed.

Personally, I'd have told the Parents that if they didn't want infidels calling their son Mohammed, they shouldn't have moved to a secular country like the United Kingdom and named their bloody Son Mohammed...

Anyway, all rambling aside, I do feel more and more that Muslims are getting special treatment that they don't deserve, and I feel it comes down to a geniune fear of looking like racists in light of terrorist activities across the globe over the last 11 years (and beyond...).

As for the OP: Meh, end of the day it's not really a big deal taking out a single image if it's really upsetting people, although I would argue that those people should just man the fuck up and stop getting offended by every percieved slight against their precious 6th century crazy-man and his imaginary friend in the sky.

WAAAH WAAAH WAAAH, I'M A BABY!

That's how I view religious people being offended by stupid shit like this. That is democracy, you have every right to be offended, and frankly i'm offended by religion, I'm not throwing a hissyfit because of that.

For anybody wondering, the map is still in the PC version of MW2 unchanged, not sure about MW3.

Norix596:
Really? The part of Modern Warfare that Muslims find offensive is the writing on a wall surface? How about the slaughter of mass quantities of generically "arabic" enemies?

A lot of the time, especially in something like islam, the people are viewed as far less important than the actual religion. Islam is insanely precious about its prophet.

I didn't like how he overstated the 'insults', he basically accused them of the same level of disrespect as the danish guy who drew Mohammad wearing a bomb shaped turban, I mean fair enough they put an Islamic picture in a bathroom but did the guy have to list off all the ways in which his religion was insulted?

I don't belong to any religion - and neither am I anti-religion - frankly I go entire weeks without once thinking about religion, but it's just pretty typical that this kid would say those things. When I was a catholic I don't think i would have accused Sin City's representation of a corrupt priest as being insulting - to the point of nausea - to me, my family, my religion, my beliefs, my people. Seriously, overstating these kinds of things things and daring others to disagree with you is exactly what leads to conflict - physical, mental and martial.

nodlimax:
So they are offended? Who cares? Let them be offended. They don't care if I find some of their behaviour offensive.

I think the Islam itself as a religion is offensive....so please change for me....

It's not just about religion. Frankly, I'm not too crazy about religion in general and I think many religious communities have problems, including the Muslims. However, this isn't just about the religion by itself. If it was, I'd agree with you. However, Muslims in some pockets of pop culture and especially in the game medium are used as cannon fodder with as little second thought as a Goomba in Mario Bros. Also there is the elephant in the room that when people say or think "Muslim," most people think of brown-skinned people from the Middle East or Asia, at which point it's a racial issue. The quote on the wall was put there in that map to tie into that and it represents the outright exploitation which has helped Activision build one the biggest franchises of this generation. That's why it's a big deal, and a good thing that the company is finally addressing this issue, at least in some small way. By the way, just to be clear, when I said racism, I don't think there's necessarily active hatred at work by the game devs, just casual exploitation of stereotypes, which is in some ways worse.

Big fucking deal. Muslims can't stand not receiving preferential treatment from government and also private industry. The people that run these separate institutions are a bunch of beta titular councilors terrified of making their bosses unhappy with this stupid shit. And the bosses themselves hate being distracted from their real responsibility, cocaine.

Seriously why are we giving into these people? Why do we have to be so tolerant of the intolerant? All they do is complain, threaten, riot and kill people in order to take away our free speech and it seems to be working.

tmande2nd:
Wow so once again a company bows to pressure because it "offended" someone.

DONT PLAY IT IF IT OFFENDS YOU! YOU DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DICTATE WHAT IS AND IS NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE IT OFFENDS YOU.

God I hate how people act like their offense somehow matter.
I also hate companies that pander like that.

No I dont hate Muslims either.
I just hate people who demand something changes because it stepped on their religious or moral toes.

yeah really I'm offended every time I hear Justin Berber, but I don't see anyone caving into my demands and taking him off the radio.

I seriously doubt anyone was offended. In fact, it would surprise me if any of them were even mildly incensed. They just wanted to wave their "special treatment" card in front of everyone's noses. Every religion fosters this kind of entitlement; Islam just didn't get beaten into submission by secular thought (yet), so it tends to get uppity.

nodlimax:
So they are offended? Who cares? Let them be offended. They don't care if I find some of their behaviour offensive.

I think the Islam itself as a religion is offensive....so please change for me....

They do need to change as a society. Their religion keeps them away from joy and suppresses freedom to it's own people. And it's all from one man, a thousand years ago, who dictated them into worshiping him so he can be revered. Now I'm Christian, and I get bashed by Atheist, but I don't cry. I do argue though, but never violently.

denseWorm:
I didn't like how he overstated the 'insults', he basically accused them of the same level of disrespect as the danish guy who drew Mohammad wearing a bomb shaped turban, I mean fair enough they put an Islamic picture in a bathroom but did the guy have to list off all the ways in which his religion was insulted?

I don't belong to any religion - and neither am I anti-religion - frankly I go entire weeks without once thinking about religion, but it's just pretty typical that this kid would say those things. When I was a catholic I don't think i would have accused Sin City's representation of a corrupt priest as being insulting - to the point of nausea - to me, my family, my religion, my beliefs, my people. Seriously, overstating these kinds of things things and daring others to disagree with you is exactly what leads to conflict - physical, mental and martial.

I will agree with you. Though Muslims don't want to cause conflict, they are just uneducated of how to act civilized and have a since of judgement. There principles are very sadistic and remain to have people cower in fear in respect of their prophet. Muslims are a bane to this world, if they don't start acting with a sense of morality or a sense of mind, the world will turn on them and wipe them out.

*Sigh* Why can't there be a person out there that can teach them differently?

GildaTheGriffin:

I will agree with you. Though Muslims don't want to cause conflict, they are just uneducated of how to act civilized and have a since of judgement. There principles are very sadistic and remain to have people cower in fear in respect of their prophet. Muslims are a bane to this world, if they don't start acting with a sense of morality or a sense of mind, the world will turn on them and wipe them out.

*Sigh* Why can't there be a person out there that can teach them differently?

You're being just as drastic as the fellow I described in that video. You can't generalize an entire religion like that, it's ridiculous. The US is a silly country but I've met more nice Americans than unfriendly ones, and Muslims might look at the world differently but I've met a few very friendly ones. Go to Indonesia if you want to see a Muslim society where women can drive cars etc, it's really not all that different to western societies in most ways.

There's nothing to teach. Extremist Muslims are a tiny minority, the problem is they live in areas of the world where control over arms and militancy is far weaker than it would be in, say, the US.

Offended? So what? Don't buy it. It's a free world (and where it isn't, it should be). Shame on Activision for caving so easily.

lancar:

Insomniac55:
*snip* Think about it... they haven't just said 'We'll make a patch and remove the texture', they've actually gone to the extent of pulling the map 'till the patch is ready.

It's almost like people are getting scared of offending the Muslims.

Yeah. It's almost like there're previous examples of Muslims taking things the wrong way.

... and I almost percieve the closing of this comment section as well, if given a little time ;)

Ah, religion and politics; how I dislike them both.

I don't think of it as 'muslims' taking things the wrong way.

It's more like a society that doesn't understand how western entertainment and capitalism works that also just happen to be muslim.

Remember they live in a country where everything is controlled by the government...it's difficult for them to perceive a free society. That with false information they may think it was actually 'authorised' by our governments and is simply another attack on them. Remember there is constant coverage of drone attacks killing innocents in that area of the world.

So when anything happens it's like another insult. Then they have their own versions of relatively right wing movements that thrive on this.

ps. Smite is a hypocritical piece of rubbish from unimaginative uneducated uncultured people that can't make their own characters and don't understand the difference between a current religion of a billion people and greek mythology

Khada:
Offended? So what? Don't buy it. It's a free world (and where it isn't, it should be). Shame on Activision for caving so easily.

This is capitalism. A group of people said they don't like something in the game. A portion of their perspective audience are muslims living in countries with access to consoles.

COD want their game to be available there and want people to buy it..and they know if this group boycotts a game they will actually boycott it and not pretend like most gamers that cry about online passes, day one dlc but still go out and buy it.

Instead of whining about one group 'getting their way' we should organise ourselves and actually boycott rubbish we are unhappy with..so we can get our way too!

lacktheknack:
YOU'RE the one who moved the goal-posts.

I like the part where you quote things that don't particularly back up that statement.

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