EA Founder: Consoles Will Become Niche

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Bloodstain:

erttheking:
Nice EA, get the hardcore elitists clawing at each other. Come on we have to put up with enough of that without you dumping gas on the fire.

I recommend reading the article before commenting.

Hawkins founded EA after leaving Apple in '82, which he then left to form 3DO in '91.

Or, in other words:

SkarKrow:
I'd like to immediately point out that in the present he has fuck all to do with EA so you don't get free EA hate for this one, shame on you Escapist for even needing to put EA in the title of this article.

OT: The console market will definitely continue shrinking, seeing as every device can play games in one form or the other nowadays. Will it become 'niche', though? I have no idea.

Huzzah my opinion is valid! By all means people, hammer EA when they do wrong, but when they do good give them dues, and when they do nothing then why blame them?

Shrink it shall though I shall likely never leave it, I love too many Sony IP's. Though my PC will soon become a hub for gaming.

Hey, it's that guy everyone hates, and he's back to spew nonsense.

Everyone point and laugh.

Ickabod:
The PC is dead, now the console is dead. Would someone make up their mind already.

Everything is dead. We're playing on zombified devices. It's only taken this long to realize it.

OT: I made the transition from console games years ago because I was getting jaded by Nintendo's lack of anything fun to do. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy some of what the consoles could offer. But the PC just does more for a lot less (in the long run) and the consoles will have to do something new and different to really stay relevant for much longer.

Though, keep in mind this guy founded EA... so take his words with a mountain of salt.

viranimus:
You know .. I have been pretty lax on EA over the years. But high holy hell I am getting sick to death of EA telling us what the future will hold, when really all they are telling us is what they want the future to hold.

This is about right.

Just like the notion of digital downloads and multiplayer resulting in all EA games now are to have multiplayer. That would be all well and good, except for the absolutely disgusting fact they are pushing multiplayer on people. Its already begun too. Look at ME3. Sure you can finish the game without multiplayer. However if you want a decent chance, or to gain the "good" endings, you either have to play multiplayer, Buy DLC, Buy android apps, or have an Iphone. THat is not only wrong, its friggen disgusting.

I've been saying that DD is bad for a long time. You see, I've this uncanny ability to see plausible worst case scenarios that are extremely applicable to the way corporations think. It looks like I was never far off the mark (though many are still completely blinded to what's really going on - a lot of them are on Steam drinking Valve's easy to digest Kool-Aid...)

Joccaren:
...but if the PC playerbase just constantly grows, whilst the console playerbase grows then shrinks, then grows, then shrinks, the future seems likely to favour the PC as a platform.

Very short-sighted. This assumes too much.

Do you know for a fact that the PC gaming audience doesn't wax and wane (all signs indicate that it does - it just happens to be on the upswing atm). And yes, console sales do this as well. As we are entering the end of this console gen, the sales have diminished. Once the new consoles have been released, we will see an immediate burst in sales which will then wane. At the first price drop, sales will soar again and will remain steady until near the end of the gen where they will diminish, ushering in the next gen... cycle continues.

The only real difference between console and PC in that scenario is that the PC's tech is not limited to console gens. But don't for a second believe that it is not affected by it. A new generation means that many (not all) will temporarily forsake upgrading their PC to buy the new console. They will then need to justify the purchase pumping more cash into it. Near the end of the cycle, as the console looses it's shine, the PC gains popularity... it happens every gen.

But yes, over a long enough period of time, PC (the machine) will remain as consoles will not. Consoles will probably have only a few gens left until they are replaced with some form of "Cloud" gaming. PCs (the machines) won't die, but PC gaming will probably find itself in the "Clouds" as well...

Bottom line:
No EA, your doom and gloom prediction is wishful fiction. This is a very natural event that happens every gen. Yes, it will eventually come, just not yet or even in the near future..

FelixG:

Your new avatar makes me chuckle, I never much cared for Mort.

Speaking of chuckling, I'm pretty sure the only reason he got banned was because he went running to the mods about two people "insulting him", thereby drawing the mods attention to Mortai calling the two people sexists and liars. If he hadn't tried so hard to get people in trouble he'd still be here.

I Agree.

Both the PC and console as we know it seem to be nearing the end of their life-cycles.
I'm thinking WiiU, Nextbox and PS4 will be the last time consoles are pull in the majority of core gamers.

SkarKrow:

Bloodstain:
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Huzzah my opinion is valid! By all means people, hammer EA when they do wrong, but when they do good give them dues, and when they do nothing then why blame them?

Shrink it shall though I shall likely never leave it, I love too many Sony IP's. Though my PC will soon become a hub for gaming.

Indeed! EA is just another company. They make mistakes, they do a few good things. No need to hate them with a burning passion. Or name them America's worst company, which they most definitely aren't...
I could rage all day about this award.

I don't agree with his prediction. If you view the facts at present, sure. It's easy to see the slowing profits and trends associated with the consoles at this point in their life cycle, especially since Microsoft and Sony are really squeezing water out of their respective rocks.

Come Wii U and Xbox 720/PlayStation 4 time, we'll most likely see another surge of interest in the console market. Everyone wants the latest and greatest, and the console makers are going to be sure to tailor their advertisement to that. The interest and trends in the console arena are much more dynamic than that for the PC, just for the fact that PC hardware is consistently improving... where are console hardware will typically fall, though the help of peripherals and exclusives will help to bolster numbers.

Yes, Farmville will completely eradicate the demand for big console and pc games such as Skyrim or Borderlands, and in no way will we be able to resist the temptation of throwing out our 360's and PS3's in favour of playing the god-given wonder that is Angry Birds.

Bloodstain:

SkarKrow:

Bloodstain:
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Huzzah my opinion is valid! By all means people, hammer EA when they do wrong, but when they do good give them dues, and when they do nothing then why blame them?

Shrink it shall though I shall likely never leave it, I love too many Sony IP's. Though my PC will soon become a hub for gaming.

Indeed! EA is just another company. They make mistakes, they do a few good things. No need to hate them with a burning passion. Or name them America's worst company, which they most definitely aren't...
I could rage all day about this award.

Honestly, while I hate some of EA's business practices, thats all they are, a business out to make money. They're hardly the most evil thing in the world. They make games that I like, but do business I dislike, so I'll just play the games and complain about the bits I don't like, that way they pay a tiny bit of attention and may change, whereas by not buying there stuff and bitching, they don't care, because you aren't a customer anyway.

Simples.

That award is retarded, surely Microsoft are further up their for the sheer quantity of defective hardware they knowingly cast out into the world?

Or 4Kids for ruining anime in english, thank god funimation took One Piece off them

Studsmack:
I don't agree with his prediction. If you view the facts at present, sure. It's easy to see the slowing profits and trends associated with the consoles at this point in their life cycle, especially since Microsoft and Sony are really squeezing water out of their respective rocks.

Come Wii U and Xbox 720/PlayStation 4 time, we'll most likely see another surge of interest in the console market. Everyone wants the latest and greatest, and the console makers are going to be sure to tailor their advertisement to that. The interest and trends in the console arena are much more dynamic than that for the PC, just for the fact that PC hardware is consistently improving... where are console hardware will typically fall, though the help of peripherals and exclusives will help to bolster numbers.

True that, the PC progressively improves over time where the consoles lurch forwards in great bounds every 5, 6 or 7 years or so. Sales and consumer interest follow suit.

s69-5:
Very short-sighted. This assumes too much.

Simply quoting the article, argue its points, but don't just say that a new console cycle will flip the tables completely again.

Do you know for a fact that the PC gaming audience doesn't wax and wane (all signs indicate that it does - it just happens to be on the upswing atm).

Do you know for a fact that it does, as all signs I see indicate it doesn't. You get a PC, if you don't like the PC you swap back to console, but otherwise you will use your PC for gaming, not needing to buy a new console except for exclusives, which you generally do at a later date when the console price drops so that you aren't paying a rediculous sum of money for a machine that you'll play 3 games on.

And yes, console sales do this as well. As we are entering the end of this console gen, the sales have diminished. Once the new consoles have been released, we will see an immediate burst in sales which will then wane. At the first price drop, sales will soar again and will remain steady until near the end of the gen where they will diminish, ushering in the next gen... cycle continues.

I agree with this. Console sales will increase when the next gen comes in. Why this would diminish PC gaming, I have no clue.

The only real difference between console and PC in that scenario is that the PC's tech is not limited to console gens. But don't for a second believe that it is not affected by it. A new generation means that many (not all) will temporarily forsake upgrading their PC to buy the new console. They will then need to justify the purchase pumping more cash into it. Near the end of the cycle, as the console looses it's shine, the PC gains popularity... it happens every gen.

Perhaps I'm putting too much faith in people not to impulse buy $600+ machines just to go with the flow. A PC will last through the next console gen if it is of decent quality, still managing to play all games released. In such a case, what purpose is there to buying a console?
Exclusives. When people only want one or two games for a system, they don't tend to impulse buy at $600 and then buy more games just so they can feel worthwhile, if previous comments I've read on these forums are true it would seem people instead prefer to wait for a price drop to buy something with exclusives that just does everything that their current hardware already does.

But yes, over a long enough period of time, PC (the machine) will remain as consoles will not. Consoles will probably have only a few gens left until they are replaced with some form of "Cloud" gaming. PCs (the machines) won't die, but PC gaming will probably find itself in the "Clouds" as well...

Umm....
Cloud gaming...
So, normal gaming, with your data stored online?
Like Steam is doing ATM?
Or are we talking gaming being streamed from outside sources, costing a fortune thanks to bandwidth requirements and their tech costs, and still having plenty of lag?
Honestly that sort of gaming to me looks more to be headed the way of simply putting the CD in and playing the game - its all but gone on the PC. Why? Because loading times are far too slow, and installing the game fixes this. Having someone stream you the game is basically just playing Diablo 3 - lag and latency issues that negatively effect your gameplay, and screw you if you lose connection. Until Internet speeds, caps and reliability picks up a lot worldwide, I don't see this becoming a hit.

Do you go on /mu/ Grey Carter?

A new source has found that Trip Hawkins has an IQ of 67, while he has hid this fact from the rest of the world, his doctor has come forward. His doctor stated that Trip's condition was terminal and that his own stupidity would in the end be the cause of his demise. The demise would be finical and personal. With EA's slow but sure loss on a market Trip only defence was to state that said market would become obsolete. Let him be in your prayers as if anyone needs a miracle to survive it is this man.

Quick! Somebody at EA base the company on this fool's idea! Go develop games for Facebook and smart phones RIGHT NOW! Stop developing for consoles as soon as possible...

...please?

Two-A:
(carve away the fat and...)
'Cause Skyrim, Guild Wars 2, Minecraft, TERA, and Smite were all about zombies.

...really?

First off, shame on you for citing MMOs. That's a whole different kind of zombie (and the companies don't even have to program them in). Props for avoiding the blatantly obvious one, though.
Minecraft's not about zombies. It's about taking your giant virtual Lego set and...well...playing Legos. Don't forget how long it took to get an experience point system going; the zombies were not the focus.
And, in Skyrim, it's all about the dragons. The "zombies" were background.

Just because there happen to be zombies in it doesn't make it a "zombie game".

ACK! Off topic! Sorry!

Grey Carter:
The question is: Are casual titles actively pulling users away from core gaming, or are they attracting completely new players?

I think perhaps the better question is: what is so-called "casual gaming" going to look like in, say, five to ten years? Are people still going to be looking for the next "Cut The Rope" or "Angry Birds"? Or are they going to be demanding something more complex, much like the people who grew up on Combat, Pitfall, and Ultima are now playing games like Call of Duty, Uncharted, and The Witcher?

I think that as technology advances, console development will be become somewhat pointless (and I mean designing new consoles, not designing games for consoles).

We're at the point of diminishing returns on technological advances in gaming. Graphics, memory requirements, etc, are less of a barrier than they have been in the past. Various companies have expressed their desire that this console generation will last longer than previous ones because improving the hardware doesn't really open up the design space for games that much (as compared to previous console generations which generally provided huge advances).

The main purpose of consoles is that they provide (relatively) high-end graphics and processing power for a far cheaper price than a PC with similar gaming capabilities. For instance, it's pretty damn hard to build a computer that can run Borderlands 2 efficiently for 200 bucks.

But eventually, even the cheapest computers will be able to run stuff that's "good enough", and at that point, there's a lot less incentive for companies to build and market consoles (although game controllers for PCs might become more popular if consoles start to die out). Maybe consoles would see continued life for things like VR or whatever, but that won't necessarily be mainstream or affordable.

That being said, this scenario is probably 5-10 years away at MINIMUM, and unforeseen technology advancements might crop up that would change the whole ballgame.

Entitled:

cidbahamut:
I feel like we're missing a more important talking point here. The console and PC experiences are beginning to converge.

No, they are not. Console-centric games are still based on the "arcade + cinematic eye-candy" paradigm, while PC games, (both traditiona hardcore and facebook casual) are based on the "tabletop game meets utility software" paradigm.

I'm not quite sure what games you've been playing, but you seem to be limiting your range a bit if that's your interpretation of what consoles have playing. A lot of the content the PC and consoles have been playing is usually shared, granted one or the other usually gets shafted by ports. More often PC games, which blows.

Ickabod:
The PC is dead, now the console is dead. Would someone make up their mind already.

Saying it's declining is not saying it's dead. PC Gaming never died, it just moved from different game styles to being an incremental platform (as opposed to consoles that jump forward ever few years).

And with the next set of consoles other than the WiiU looking like they're going to cost around the $900-$1000 range, it will look interesting to see which one takes off more.

CAPTCHA: Kangaroo Court

Is it just me, or would that make an awesome kid's movie?

Micah Weil:

Two-A:
(carve away the fat and...)
'Cause Skyrim, Guild Wars 2, Minecraft, TERA, and Smite were all about zombies.

...really?

First off, shame on you for citing MMOs. That's a whole different kind of zombie (and the companies don't even have to program them in). Props for avoiding the blatantly obvious one, though.
Minecraft's not about zombies. It's about taking your giant virtual Lego set and...well...playing Legos. Don't forget how long it took to get an experience point system going; the zombies were not the focus.
And, in Skyrim, it's all about the dragons. The "zombies" were background.

Just because there happen to be zombies in it doesn't make it a "zombie game".

ACK! Off topic! Sorry!

He was being sarcastic because the guy he was quoting him said that the best PC Games were all about zombies.

Micah Weil:

Two-A:
(carve away the fat and...)
'Cause Skyrim, Guild Wars 2, Minecraft, TERA, and Smite were all about zombies.

...really?

First off, shame on you for citing MMOs. That's a whole different kind of zombie (and the companies don't even have to program them in). Props for avoiding the blatantly obvious one, though.
Minecraft's not about zombies. It's about taking your giant virtual Lego set and...well...playing Legos. Don't forget how long it took to get an experience point system going; the zombies were not the focus.
And, in Skyrim, it's all about the dragons. The "zombies" were background.

Just because there happen to be zombies in it doesn't make it a "zombie game".

ACK! Off topic! Sorry!

I was arguing against all modern games being about zombies though. Maybe I should've made that more clear. :/

The few popular modern games (that I can recall) that could be classified as "zombie games" are Left 4 Dead and The Walking Dead.

"The console market is always going to be with us, because there's always going to be a hardcore segment, a segment that likes innovation,"

Lul-wut?

What innovation? The innovation of selling a shitty PC for twice it's price by calling it a 'console'?

Isn't EA "niche" by now?

Surely there are very few people left who actually respect Electronic Arts as a viable games company?

[Captcha: flat tire] Yes, that's one way of describing them, Captcha, thank you.

Well good, maybe now that consoles are dying out, PCs wont get anymore crappy console ports.

"In the old days I'd go down to the basement to play Grand Theft Auto," Hawkins continued. "But the Facebook gamer is able to play at work, at home, in a hotel on a PC. They can get access to a browser just about anywhere. People are thinking about convenience first."

Except Facebook games don't compare to dedicated titles in terms of value for money. Yes, there is a larger market for social games, but let us not forget there is a considerable portion of the gaming market - anything BUT a niche - which definitely WON'T be satisfied by the likes of farmville and angry birds.

I think this is just typical of the dismissive out of touch attitude of some gaming industry executives, ignoring dedicated gamers in favour of short-term profit from lightweights. Not to use that as an insult, it's just that, face it, people playing those sorts of games don't get as much immersion or depth from their games - yet appealing to their lowest common denominator threatens the future of what's on the market for the more discerning gamer.

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