Pro Gamer Suspended For Saying He Had Sex With a 14-Year-Old

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Vegosiux:

Ryank1908:
People say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit

That's because they confuse pretentious assholery with sarcasm, truly. I mean, there was nothing sarcastic about this scene. Nothing at all.

Well, that's what I meant. There's the old adage about sarcasm being witless, but it takes less than zero wit to shit out a joke about a child that got kidnapped or a celebrity who died.

-Samurai-:

Well, shit. If all you have to do to be considered a professional at something is make money from it, and not enjoy it, I guess I'm a professional in the fields of lawn care, dish washing, home repair, snow shoveling, and thousands of other things.

Well, shit, you're trying to make a point, but what you've said is exactly right.

pro·fes·sion·al   [pruh-fesh-uh-nl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.

Oh Jesus. First, WHAT THE HELL.
Secondly, WHAT THE HELL.
Thirdly, WHY THE HELL.
Fourthly... You get the idea. Setting aside the fact that he's clearly an awful person in the first place, why would you ADMIT to that?

Well, unless there is some kind of prosecution or investigation to reveal what may or may not have happened, this seems like a language issue. However, abusing a 14 year old, or anyone is a problem. No matter if it was sexual or just punching them. It takes a big man to hit a smaller person, after all. And, unless I am mistaken, I'm pretty sure 14 is below the age of consent in any country. At least, any Western country. So, no matter what, if he actually did something it was wrong.

And before anyone gets on my case, I don't know if he did anything. But you don't make such claims about such things in public. It's just stupid.

Patrick Buck:
Oh Jesus. First, WHAT THE HELL.
Secondly, WHAT THE HELL.
Thirdly, WHY THE HELL.
Fourthly... You get the idea. Setting aside the fact that he's clearly an awful person in the first place, why would you ADMIT to that?

Your assumption level is over 9000.

-Samurai-:

General Twinkletoes:

-Samurai-:
The bigger problem is: Why the fuck are people acting like "professional gaming" is a thing?

Professional. Gaming.
Dumbest thing I've ever heard.

People make hundreds thousands of dollars off of it, and don't do it for fun. How isn't it professional?

Well, shit. If all you have to do to be considered a professional at something is make money from it, and not enjoy it, I guess I'm a professional in the fields of lawn care, dish washing, home repair, snow shoveling, and thousands of other things.

If it's your full time job to do those things, then yeah, you're a professional dish washer. Those things you said, they're not your job. Playing starcraft is this guys job, when he flies out to events and airports ask whether it's work or vacation, he says work.
There are teams, sponsors, with tens of thousands of dollars on the line, events with thousands of people there and many more watching online. Why are professional gamers so stupid when professional golfer isn't?
The definition of a professional is: A person who is paid to undertake a specialized set of tasks and to complete them for a fee.
Another use of the word is someone who makes money of something that most people do for entertainment, or some other reason other than money.
So again, how is it stupid? How can you say it's not a thing, when it blatantly is? It's a real business. There were 850,000 people all watching a single LoL tournament. It's gotten past the point where you can just dismiss it as stupid.

dunam:

Patrick Buck:
Oh Jesus. First, WHAT THE HELL.
Secondly, WHAT THE HELL.
Thirdly, WHY THE HELL.
Fourthly... You get the idea. Setting aside the fact that he's clearly an awful person in the first place, why would you ADMIT to that?

Your assumption level is over 9000.

I forgot to say "Presuming he actually did it".
Whoops.

I'm glad this happened. I honestly am. We as a culture need to stop with the inappropriate comments. It's leaking into the open, and now professionals are being suspended for making the immature jokes. And they should be. The internet as a whole is still very juvenile and it won't be a while until it's not, but for now, we just need to slow down on the inappropriate jokes, and quit saying them in a public venue.

Ryank1908:

BrotherRool:
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No. This man is not a comedian, and nor is this his 'spare time.' This was streamed live to an audience of people who may or may not consider him a role model. If he's saying this kind of shit in a live situation then he should have his position removed.

Seriously, I don't even understand why people like these jokes. Shock value is so fucking redundant. People say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but I'm pretty sure they're forgetting about Frankie Boyle.

This is why I agree he deserves a month timeout. But the guy didn't even remember that the other person was streaming when he said it. It was just a private comment that happened to come out and become a scandal. And you know, he's new to being a public figure, almost all progamers are really and that's not an easy adjustment, when your in your 20's is a time when you're meant to be able to do really stupid things, get smashed every week, watch kids films when you feel like it, cram 8 people into a 4 seater car and go off on a roadtrip. These are the student years and it's an experience good or bad that a huge amount of people have. But all of a sudden you've got these reponsibilties and you can't do those sort of things because people might be watching you. You get trolled all the time, people will hate you for silly reasons and if you make a small slip up suddenly major gaming newsites are making a fuss of it

So what I'm saying is, EG were right to suspend him. His crime wasn't particularly bad but they have a reputation to protect and they've got protect the reputation of their sponsors. I'm not entirely sure where I stand on the role model thing, because some of the chats of these streams are sideways 8 x worse in the stuff they say and the behaviour they demonstrate, but I can see that it could easily be a valid argument. So he should be suspended.

However his crime was not so great that this story should have been picked up by any of the mainstream gaming news sites. If they don't care or don't know what the GSL is and who one, then they have absolutely no business reporting the 30day suspension of a player they don't know, whose acheivements they've never heard of from a gaming team they have no experience with

This is one of the reasons why I can't play with others.

BrotherRool:
However his crime was not so great that this story should have been picked up by any of the mainstream gaming news sites. If they don't care or don't know what the GSL is and who one, then they have absolutely no business reporting the 30day suspension of a player they don't know, whose acheivements they've never heard of from a gaming team they have no experience with

Yes they do. If anything, so it can tel.l people who wanna play to stay away from this man.

GoaThief:
So you'd be happy with a 14/15 year old boy to be having sexual intercourse with a 9/10 year old girl?

I don't know how to even reply to that.

So that implies that a 14 year old is actually attracted to a ugly boy... I mean 9 year old girl with no breasts, no butt, uncanny proportions and which hasn't suffered the effects of puberty that actually make girls become attractive, sexually capable, etc?

And that implies that the girl's parents don't even know what's happening? It's pretty weird a 9 year old having time to sneak the parents and have sex.

I reverse the question. If you were a 9/10 year old boy how much would you like to have sexual contact with a 14/15 year old girl? I noticed that you keep mentioning the girl as the youngest, I want to know if that's a pattern of a double standard.

GoaThief:
As you get older, especially at the end of or out of the teens, age gaps mean less. Not many would bat an eyelid at a 19 year old and 24 year old bumping uglies because there's not a world of difference between their physical and mental maturity.

And mental maturity? How do you gauge it? What if the 19 year old is more mature than the 24 year old? Again, what is the standard and how should we act to prevent immature people from having sex?

I'm just against adding a teenage couple to the sex offender list because they technically "raped each other". I prefer young people having sex and deal with their situation appropriately instead of criminalizing them and ruining their life because of that list.

GoaThief:
That is the problem with a 19/18 year old and a 14/13 year old, there is a world of difference in maturity.

Yes, because everyone meets a specific goal at an exact age. And everyone is exactly the same, exactly the same maturity, etc etc etc.

What if one was 15 and the other was 30 days away from being 15? What is the difference is those thirty days? Or 300 days? What could happen in 365 days that totally changed their mind?

Your own words: "there is a world of difference in maturity" - I disagree. When I was 14 I did psychological tests in the air force (because of those tests to determine what jobs you're more apt to) in which the results said I showed more maturity than people between 20/30.

That might explain why I haven't grown up since (lol, satire) but accroding to your logic, could have I obtained a document that allowed me to consent sex with 30 year old women?

Your logic makes no sense.

GoaThief:
I find it worrying that numerous people are attempting defence of his actions

His "action" was saying something on a chat. You can't exactly prove what he meant or what he did.

Soak:
And i think you are twisting the point to your likelihood, which doesn't make it right. If, as a pro, he shouldn't be different than any other gamer, then why is he earning huge money for playing games? Why are his games/matches promoted and streamed all around the world? Why does that not account to any other gamer?

Because he's making a living out of it. That's like asking why won't you get paid like Ronaldo does even though you can just buy a ball and play football with your friends.

Soak:
Because there is a difference. He became a representative of gaming and now he has to act like one

And he did, lol.

No, seriously. I hate... No, I mega-loathe the assumption that someone represents everyone else. I don't think any professional player is the ambassador of an activity that the majority of the Western population is doing (and that's a lot of people).

Soak:
which means applying to the social rules of public behaviour.

Do you know a lot of 19 year olds? Because what he did was "normal" public behavior.

Soak:
If you don't like those rules, that's another thing, you can work to change those, but until then, people of public interest can't say everything without getting the corresponding feedback.

Those rules do not exist.

We invented the concept of blowing out of proportion everything that steps the line if a famous person is involved. We did that because we are sheep who love knowing all about the personal lives of famous people and laugh when they fail so that we can feel good about ourselves and our pathetic lives.

We can be evading taxes, beating our wives and drinking booze like there's no tomorrow. But if a famous person says something stupid we know we are better than them.

Soak:
Also, wanna tell me the probable reason child abuse isn't mentioned in the video you're referencing? Well, i'll do it myself: It's because child abuse is another matter than eating meat, expressing homosexuality in public, or even consuming goods from unfair, or even inhuman production. It is so because vegetarians, homosexuals, fair trade and human right supporters as well as (most) oppressed social groups are somewhat capable of defending themselfs. There are exceptions, but those are just as delicate as child abuse.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OFFENSIVE CONTENT. If I broke up my post into sections, it's because I changed the general issue I was discussing.

I had point all along, my ONE and ONLY point. Being offended doesn't grant you ANY right. There is a difference between victim of a crime and being offended.

I can dig up literally a hundred clips from youtube with very offensive jokes. Incest and child abuse included, the whole nine yards. If anyone is offended by any one of them, tough luck.

Soak:
Imagine a journalist, or even politician making a statement supporting the state-as-is in north Korea - say hallo to another person being condemned by the public, for good reasons.

Real journalists don't just give their opinions. You should start watching/reading something else because there's no good in biased news.

Also, that would happen to anyone supporting North Korea. There's no double standard there because everyone would hate to live in NK.

So he said he zerg rushed a 14 year old?

@ElPatron

Re-reading my post (again) after typing it I have come to the conclusion that there is not much point in continuing this conversation, where we so fundamentally disagree. Deleted the entire thing.

I bid you farewell.

Bad joke is bad.

Bad joke in Engrish is very bad

madster11:
It's the people from countries with 18 or higher laws who get massively offended and start spewing around 'rape' like the fucking apostrophe sign

Ummm...

"Apostrophe sign"?

If you notice, he never said he F**ked or had sex with any child. He said he 'Abused', and it's even stated English isn't his first language.

So I'm thinking people might be making a big deal out of nothing. It could've been the equivalent of someone saying "I beat the S**T out of this 14 year old yesterday on Starcraft". It was the OTHER player who said "Woah! You fucked a 14 year old kid?".

READ his dang message too! He says "I have abused of a child yesterday", which could literally mean "I pwned a kid yesterday". It's all just miscommunication and making a HUGE deal out of nothing.

ElPatron:

*snip*

If i had the time, i would reply to every point you make in particular and would write another page-long statement. Unfortunately, i don't have that time right now, maybe in the near future, so i'm gonna save it and say just this:

If you would come up with this to any social-scientist (sociologist, anthropologist, publicist, whatever), they would reply to you, that this is all nice in theory (which most of it is, i would say so myself), but not reflecting reality in our current social system, the first world-parts, majority of the world, pick whatever you like best.

Okay a few points here which will probably whip a lot of people on these forums into a frenzy given their political leanings, but I feel need to be said:

#1: A big question about the conduct of Mr. "Stephano" is where this act allegedly took place. During a quick search it appears he's from France, and the age of consent there is 15. The age of consent falls as low as 13 in Spain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

I've checked that before due to some of my research on various political and social topics, and to say it gets complicated through the EU is an understatement. What he did might not even be illegal (if he did it), and is really right on the edge even if it was.

Speaking for my personal morality I don't care for ages of consent that young, though I'm fairly accepting of teen on teen relationships, and believe in distributing condoms in schools and such rather than trying to encourage or force abstinance. I don't agree with countries setting ages of consent as low as many european countries do (and have in the past commented on a need for UN regulation), but I also think a line needs to be drawn between adults having sex with kids, and teens having sex with each other.

All of that said, I think his team is out of line to ban him for such comments.

#2: Continueing from the last part of point #1, I'd like to say that I don't think athletes (including cyber-athletes) are under any paticular obligation to be great role-models. It's about accomplishment in the field of endeavor (which can involve "freak" talents) not about being an ideal human being. Once you start bringing morality into these kinds of things you diminish the competitive nature of the event, and it ceases to be about who is the best, and rather who is the best that is willing to conform to specific moral guidelines, something which I feel has ruined a LOT of organized sports when they have gotten big, and this has included the Olympics.

I'd like to see cyber-sports manage to remain untainted by concerns outside of the games and competition itself. On some levels I don't care if they get seriel killers out of jail on limited weekend passes and plan events around it, the idea of seeing a "world championship"
is to see the best compete, not to preach morality.

I think there has been a lot of problems behind the whole idea of competitors as role models (outside of their accomplishments in their competitive fields), and for all arguements about how it happens, it should be a non-factor. Half the problem is the desire to turn athletes into marketable commodities outside of their specific fields. In my mind a lot of them are ruined by trying to turn them into a product, as opposed to companies simply using them as they are, the good with the bad, or settling for those who aren't nessicarly the best if "image" is really that important.

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See, I hate pedophilles, I might even argue that "Stefano" should be in jail, or in another rant that the UN should force a country to change it's laws if what he did was legal. I do not however feel this has anything to do with his abillities as a gamer.

IMO he should probably sue "Evil Geniuses" out of existance to make a point, especially if what he said wasn't criminal where and when it happened.

I'd also think that whatever groups organize these competitions should seriously consider looking at the behavior of member teams, and keep things entirely about the games and compeittion even if it becomes a moral "wild west". If things are allowed to continue we're probably never going to see the REAL best players go at it, and there will be even more questions about who shoiuld have been there.

Feel free to boo Stefano, he's definatly a "heel", but he should be allowed to play.

I feel this clip is relevant

What's the big deal, god, I did so myself. When I was 18...
If both parties are willing, what's the problem?

That said, why would you talk about something like that in a bloody game? Why? It's not a sex forum or something..

I like to pop in to this thread now and then just to see how many people are still giving opinions without knowing what's going on.

By my count, "lots".

He said it was a joke, it wasnt. Its a statement. It would be like telling your girl/boyfriend "i slept with someone else last night.lol" Really not a joke and wouldnt be seen as one.

But then that guy was French, and they are not known for their humour so maybe it was funnier in its native french. Damn french to english translations.

I nominate ElPatron to create the next pedophilia defense thread after the one created by G-Max crashed and burned.

I feel the need to ask, just what the fuck did he think was gonna happen? I'm suprised his ass isn't in prison over this. He should at least get some massive fine for wasting the police's time.

Denamic:
I don't really give a shit about the drama, but now I won't see Stephano play in tournaments for ages. That's pretty terrible news, as he's a fantastic player, easily one of the best in the world. Korea included.

jeah and if he hadnt acted like dipshit youŽd seen him.

firmicute:

Denamic:
I don't really give a shit about the drama, but now I won't see Stephano play in tournaments for ages. That's pretty terrible news, as he's a fantastic player, easily one of the best in the world. Korea included.

jeah and if he hadnt acted like dipshit youŽd seen him.

Thanks, Captain!
I don't know what I'd have done without your insight.

GoaThief:
@ElPatron

Re-reading my post (again) after typing it I have come to the conclusion that there is not much point in continuing this conversation, where we so fundamentally disagree. Deleted the entire thing.

I bid you farewell.

I just find it hilarious that you accused me of being obtuse when you clearly were being deliberately obtuse.

I don't understand why the legal definition of adult should land someone's ass in prison when a 19 year old is still considered a teenager, and most 19 year olds shouldn't be considered adults by any means. I'm all for protecting young people from pedophilia AND from anti-pedophilia laws.

Look, I understand your point of view but I ask you to understand mine - I advocate the death penalty for forcible rape of underage children. I actually value life just a tiny bit so I wouldn't want a 19 year old kid to die because of a 5 year difference. It's only 730 days longer than a 3 year difference.

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