GameStop Says Gamers Won't Buy Consoles Without Used Games

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DVS BSTrD:
So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

I definitely wouldn't buy a console, so yes I would refuse to buy it.

I share games not only with friends but with myself. There is a 360 in the living room and one in the basement. If I would need to buy two copies to play the game or have to be online all the time then its a guaranteed no from me.

I wouldn't buy a console...does that count?

FoolKiller:

DVS BSTrD:
So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

I definitely wouldn't.

I share games not only with friends but with myself. There is a 360 in the living room and one in the basement. If I would need to buy two copies to play the game or have to be online all the time then its a guaranteed no from me.

They would tie your games to your account, not the device. Anything else would be poor business.

I think gamestop is scared haha. Every game producer in the world is collectively laughing at gamestop because gamestop future is basically in their hands now.

Gamestop fails to include any price point changes. If we have a 15% cheaper game that can directly downloaded(and the downloading program isn't designed like shit) and if they decided to actually allow some temporary licensing along with the games I think those numbers would quickly change. Of course that is just supposition on my part.

I never thought I'd be happy to hear a statement from Gamestop. I have played many console games in the lifespan of the 360 - VERY few of them were full price, new unopened. Amazon, used game bins, and increasingly playing lower tech games on my (non-gaming) laptop have saved what would have been a HUGE amount of money to play all the games I did. I can assure you that I would not have played nearly as many if unopened $60 games were the only option. I might even consider getting a higher spec computer for my next laptop instead of getting the next console if they are serious about this. It's more convenient, with better customer service and so much cheaper to use Steam. The only thing that the console market has going for it is that I invested in getting a console because I can usually get new-ish games for %40 or less. It that's not an option I might just join up with my friends in the PC gaming crowd.

Frostbite3789:
Really? I've been playing PC games for years, without used games. And I'm doing just fine.

I don't know about you but I also never pay more than 10 bucks for anything on the pc.

Worgen:

Frostbite3789:
Really? I've been playing PC games for years, without used games. And I'm doing just fine.

I don't know about you but I also never pay more than 10 bucks for anything on the pc.

Yeah. And retailers have sales on console games too. But 'patience' is a lost art.

Frostbite3789:

Worgen:

Frostbite3789:
Really? I've been playing PC games for years, without used games. And I'm doing just fine.

I don't know about you but I also never pay more than 10 bucks for anything on the pc.

Yeah. And retailers have sales on console games too. But 'patience' is a lost art.

Well to be fair I do mostly buy indie games and wait a few weeks for games to be on steam sale or for a steam sale.

Portability doesn't have to mean physical copies. I mentioned it in another thread but what we need next is a digital marketplace for used licensed copies of games.

mattttherman3:
No used games? Why even have a disk? Fine, sell them at 30 bucks brand new on launch day. Otherwise, where is the resale value? You buy it and it's suddenly only worth sentimental value. If they block used games, I will have to switch to PC gaming. I don't want to do that. I like to lay down when I play :( Not to mention this would probably kill the privately owned rental store around the corner... Also, what happens if I get in a bind financially? I won't be able to sell them to ANYONE

IMO there is also no cause for digital games to be full retail price either, no disk, no paper, no box, no distribution cost.

so you dont consider something worth buying unless you can sell it? i mean even if you do get in to financial trouble, i really dont think selling a few video games is going to make a huge difference. ive gone to a used game store with an entire backpack of used games and only got around $100 for it. even less than that if i took them to gamestop. i mean i dont remember used game stores existing back when i was buying nes, genesis, snes, and n64 games and people never had a problem with it back then (and i can remember some of the later snes titles selling for around $70). i will agree though that people will probably have a much easier time accepting this, after being spoiled by the cheap prices of used games for so long, if they dropped the price of new games down to $50 or $40.

personally, this whole no used games idea doesnt bother me in the slightest. in fact, if it will stop this stupid used vs new games debate, support it 100%. i have no problem buying games new and limiting myself to the games i really want to play, and not just every game i have a vague interest in. if the console is powerful and has games i want to play, ill buy it.

deathzero021:
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I live in Australia and have never been able to pay $60 for a new release game, we pay anywhere from $90 to $110AU for a standard edition new release, more for collectors editions (prices also fall much slower here), but i do agree with you about what used games give you. I recently traded in games and managed to get my hands on quite a few games used with the store credit, that I otherwise would likely not have bought.

GameStop's past success in the used game business does suggest that there are plenty of people looking to save a few bucks by buying used.

It's more than "a few" here, I've been able to get used games for <$20 where i'd be paying $50+ for them new, even ones that have been out for a few years.

OP: I would likely not purchase a console that removed used game playability, I'm fairly heavily reliant on used games, due to lower income and higher prices here.

Captcha: I can fix it... much as i'd like to, that's not my area of expertise

MikeWehner:
Totally hypothetical, but what would you folks think about this: Consoles without used game support (it would be tied to your console and/or your gamer profile) but new games cost $40 on launch. Thoughts?

Still wouldnt like it this anti used game thing is pure greed on the part of sony and microsoft who want all the money and will kill another business to try and make sure they get it.

The next console will likely see me back on the PC gaming train. Seriously, what's the point of another console anymore?

Gamestop is biased and I wouldn't trust them as a source here. I know a lot of people who bought consoles where I live and used games can't be bought where I live. It's literally 4 hours to drive to the closest GAME and that is about to be shut down now. Still people buy consoles.

Now this might just be an exaggeration and there might be some truth to it, but the one who's got the most to lose here is GameStop so they aren't a trustworthy source for information.

MikeWehner:
Totally hypothetical, but what would you folks think about this: Consoles without used game support (it would be tied to your console and/or your gamer profile) but new games cost $40 on launch. Thoughts?

From a personal point of view I wouldn't mind. I haven't bought a used game nor have I sold even the worst game I can think of, but I think of this as a matter of my right as a consumer and those who actually depend on getting games used and selling their games. This wouldn't affect me, but it will affect a lot of people so I am against it.

DVS BSTrD:
So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

Considering that I'm the type to rummage through a used games section to find multi-year old titles that are difficult to find new (the main reason I ever go to Gamestop), and that I still play my N64 and new games for it simply don't exist... well, you probably already know my answer.

DVS BSTrD:
So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

This smells like it needs a poll in offtopic discussion.

Consoles without used games wil lcertainly hurt Gamestop, and that is one of the very few plus sides.

00slash00:

personally, this whole no used games idea doesnt bother me in the slightest. in fact, if it will stop this stupid used vs new games debate, support it 100%. i have no problem buying games new and limiting myself to the games i really want to play, and not just every game i have a vague interest in. if the console is powerful and has games i want to play, ill buy it.

I don't think inconveniencing or alienating the people who use or rely on used games is worth not having easily ignored debates that I don't think are that prevalent.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Draech:
In related new NRA has a study saying that Gun regulation will increase crime

McDonalds has a study saying that their food is healthy

The Tobacco industry saying that not smoking will make you look less cool.

And Ubisoft has a has a study saying that DRM reduces piracy.

If you would like to read any of these studies you they are published in "Bullshit studies that justify our business- magazine"

Just because GameStop is saying it doesn't make it not true. I can't say how people, but I would guess a LARGE amount of people will not buy a console if it violates their rights like that. I know I wouldn't, and most of my friends wouldn't either.

Just because GameStop is saying it doesn't make it true either.

But I am surprised you didn't say 80% since both you and most of your friends wouldn't either. Anecdotal evidence proves nothing.

Fact is GameStop has a horse in this race and is therefore an unreliable source due to biases. Not only that I am pretty sure that 60% was pulled out of his ass on the spot.

I could probably count the number of pre-owned games I've bought in my life on one hand. So no, I wouldn't really care if anti-used game features become a mainstay.

I think I'll have to agree with gamestop. I would probably swap to fully to PCs or buy a used console a few years into its life. At 60 dollars a pop, I would have a hard time playing games at all.

DVS BSTrD:
So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

"Can't play used games" most likely means more than just that.
Requiring a constant internet connection for example so you can't play your singleplayer games when the authentification servers are "down for maintenance" or losing your entire game library if the specific console it's locked to breaks.
Many ways to screw up for a worthless feature and I highly doubt this will do anything to soften the 60$ price tag of new games.

MikeWehner:
Totally hypothetical, but what would you folks think about this: Consoles without used game support (it would be tied to your console and/or your gamer profile) but new games cost $40 on launch. Thoughts?

I would still say no. I normally buy new but I would like the option of being able to borrow games from friends and such.

But I wouldn't mind having my game locked to my console if I get another copy of the same game for other console.

For example, I would like the to play Metal Gear Solid 3 for my PSVita. But since I already have MetalGearSolid HD collection for my PS3, my money can be better used elsewhere. So if Konami is willing to give me free download of MGS3 for my vita, for the price of having ps3 version locked to my console I certainly wouldn't mind.

Easton Dark:

00slash00:

personally, this whole no used games idea doesnt bother me in the slightest. in fact, if it will stop this stupid used vs new games debate, support it 100%. i have no problem buying games new and limiting myself to the games i really want to play, and not just every game i have a vague interest in. if the console is powerful and has games i want to play, ill buy it.

I don't think inconveniencing or alienating the people who use or rely on used games is worth not having easily ignored debates that I don't think are that prevalent.

i honestly dont think theres a reason to rely on used games. if you can afford spending $200-$600 on a console, you can afford a $60 game. and if you cant, then either you are buying too many video games or you have bigger concerns than how much a video game costs. i work in theatre. theatre is very unstable and pays horribly so i am far from rolling in cash. however, i can still manage to pay full price for games. i dont need a new game every week or every month.

and the used game debate is extremely prevalent, at least on here. its taken a backseat for a while because people have had other things to complain about recently, but it is probably the most common thread ive seen on this site

DVS BSTrD:
So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

Me.

However, I also haven't bought a CoD game since Modern Warfare 2 or an EA Sports title since NHL 11, yet these franchises continue to go from strength to strength, so my power as a consumer in the gaming industry appears to be limited.

I also don't watch or acknowledge 'XFactor', 'Got to Dance', 'The Only way is Essex' or 'Made in Chelsea', and again, they continue to go from strength to strength, indicating that my power to boycott (it's not so much a boycott, I just don't get involved with things I think are shit...) is about level with the power of the 'Occupy' movement to change the nature of capitalism.

Final point: Will making consoles incompatible with used games increase piracy? Discuss. (I honestly don't know enough to form an opinion on that and am curious to what other people think).

I'd just play more PC games. True, I'd be sad that I'm missing out on a few exclusives but there are enough good games out there to keep me occupied until some enterprising company comes up with a machine that DOES play used games and laps up the huge money they make by not being utter assholes.

Funny how treating your customers nice gets you more money, really...

They are likely correct and for the right reasons but it's fairly blatantly motivated by the fact that their business model is entirely dependent on used game sales.

Eh, whatever their motivations, they're fairly on the nose with their observations.

To be honest I just don't think I'm going to buy another console. The whole attempting to wring every last penny out of gamers is getting rather old and I just don't have the twitch factor I did in my younger days so console gaming just isn't feeling fun anymore. I hardly turn on my 360 at all since most of my gaming time goes to the PC or Kindle Fire.

So unless something radical happens to make console gaming fun again I'd rather take the insane amount the new consoles will cost and put it towards a kick ass PC that can do more than play the latest FPS the consoles are pushing.

00slash00:

Easton Dark:

00slash00:

personally, this whole no used games idea doesnt bother me in the slightest. in fact, if it will stop this stupid used vs new games debate, support it 100%. i have no problem buying games new and limiting myself to the games i really want to play, and not just every game i have a vague interest in. if the console is powerful and has games i want to play, ill buy it.

I don't think inconveniencing or alienating the people who use or rely on used games is worth not having easily ignored debates that I don't think are that prevalent.

i honestly dont think theres a reason to rely on used games. if you can afford spending $200-$600 on a console, you can afford a $60 game. and if you cant, then either you are buying too many video games or you have bigger concerns than how much a video game costs. i work in theatre. theatre is very unstable and pays horribly so i am far from rolling in cash. however, i can still manage to pay full price for games. i dont need a new game every week or every month.

and the used game debate is extremely prevalent, at least on here. its taken a backseat for a while because people have had other things to complain about recently, but it is probably the most common thread ive seen on this site

Well let's not forget about the used console market as well, right? There's lots of ways to reduce cost. And it all depends on how you spend your money. I work at a library, not a millionaire, but I almost never spend anything I make so it stacks up. Maybe someone's in a situation similar to mine but has to pay for their... ooo, old car's gas, or to feed their child. Or maybe they live in a place where new games don't exist/are sick overpriced.

The most common thread I've seen lately is "Women: Question"

Jandau:
Totalbiscuit had a nice segment about it in his Content Patch news show and I agree with him for the most part

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6iA9IuF6A

Relevant part starts at 10:56

In short, one possible scenario goes like this: While gamers might not be into it initially, the publishers will be (no used games = more sales), so they'll flock to the console(s) that blocks used games, while abandoning those that allow them. As a result, all the major titles will be coming out for that console, forcing the players to switch to it or not get to play the major releases.

Now, that's just one possible scenario, but it's not an unlikely one. Also, while dedicated gamers fuss and protest and boycott and whatnot (as consumers should do when faced with bullshit), the general public is willing to accept quite a bit of punishment and still fork over the cash. Since the publishers follow the money, the market segment that is actually sufficiently aware as consumers to actually care might end up being too small to be truly relevant.

Basically, if they want to block used game sales, they'll most likely get away with it. Sucks.

While that may happen, I think that line of reasoning fails to account for a key bit of information: used sales help drive new sales, and used sales can help create new customers.

As far as my first point, you know those used copies you see lining Gamestop's shelves the day after, and especially within a few weeks of release? There are a ton of people buying at launch and trading stuff in to do it. Losing the ability to do that, I'd have to think, would result in some dramatic changes in sales. Right now, the ability to trade a game in and get a good amount of credit for it right after launch is basically targeting the price conscious consumer up front. Instead of getting them with sales a year from now, you get them on day one. And with the completely insane pricing that I see on some games in retail locations, where titles rarely drop in price or go on sale, especially when they're popular, I'm not sure publishers are capable of filling that void that taking away used sales would do through the retail chain. Perhaps even more frightening is to consider whether a retail chain can even function profitably without used sales. I don't have any numbers though, so that's speculation. But stores would almost certainly become a lot less profitable. And if they can't afford to run at all, good luck selling your physical games with stores closing in various places. I'm sure some smaller towns and what not would suffer the most.

And as far as the second point, some people just either don't have the money when your game first comes out, or aren't sure they want to pay full price. They'll wait months, or even years, until they see it for $20 as a greatest hits title or in a bargain bin somewhere and give it a go. What happens if they absolutely loved it? Well if it's something like Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, or Call of Duty, they'll probably go out and buy the sequel. And wait, what's that? They've finished those up and a new one is coming out in two months? Better go pre-order it.

Maybe customers would swallow no used games if companies flock to one console, but I can't see how such a thing won't impact sales to some degree. In fact, I think the idea of eliminating used games may be very short sighted and lead to some very serious unforeseen consequences. And let's face it, companies are really bad at eliminating things they don't like that the public uses. Their track record on DRM alone should give anyone hearing about eliminating used games pause. It might even just do more to encourage outright piracy.

MikeWehner:
Totally hypothetical, but what would you folks think about this: Consoles without used game support (it would be tied to your console and/or your gamer profile) but new games cost $40 on launch. Thoughts?

It'd work. Hell it works on PC via Steam and (to a lesser extent) Origin.

But hypothetical scenario aside, I see greed winning out.

Every publisher has coped with piracy and resale.
In that time, the market has been conditioned to accept games at 60 USD + gouging on DLC (and Day 1 DLC).

The publishers know the ball is in their court there. It's just a matter of whether one of them will try to break their little pseudo-cartel game and undercut the others at something like 40 USD, or if they all stick to the game to profit.

I'll skim through the thread because I can smell the hate towards GameStop, somehow.

Despite the fact that they make their profit out of used games and yes, if the next gen of consoles doesn't take used game, they will lose their biggest source of profit...it's true. Hey, if they're offering me to buy a brand new game I might like for 60 bucks or a used game that I can return if it sucks for 45, you're damn right I will buy the used one. As much as I want to support the industry, I gotta worry about what I'll have for dinner first.

Heck, the problem here isn't even about GS's profit anymore, it's about the fact that a gamer would be stuck with a game forever. Forget about selling it at GS; there will be no room for bad purchases anymore. Wanna take a gamble and play that game that looks really good by that company that makes crappy games? Well, too bad! You can't get your money back somehow anymore!

And what about parents? I work at GS and when we have those Buy 2 used games, get 1 free, parents just flock the stores! They don't care about getting their kid the latest CoD game, they'll get them 3 cheap games and hope they like them. They don't know the difference between used or new or how it will affect their future. They don't know/care about that, not because they're dumb, but because if you put the same game next to each other and they both look okay and you tell them one's cheaper and can be exchanged, again, you're damn right they'll go for the used one. And that's a feature they'll remember and enjoy. Take it away and they might not be happy.

So I'll have to side with GS on this one.

MikeWehner:
Totally hypothetical, but what would you folks think about this: Consoles without used game support (it would be tied to your console and/or your gamer profile) but new games cost $40 on launch. Thoughts?

If content was tied to your gamer profile (instead of the console, since those can break/become outdated with enhanced models) and an "always online" connection wasn't a requirement, I'd be all over that. It would be markedly better than Steam, which is what I currently use for most of my gaming.

Now, if content was locked to the system, I'd be a bit more wary, because why buy the Playstation 4 now, when the Playstation 4 Awesome edition could be coming out in a month? I can wait a month. But then they could announce the Playstation 4 Amazingly Awesome edition right after the Awesome edition and I can wait for that, right? I don't want to have to re-buy my library every time I want to upgrade my console, so unless they're going to start releasing modular upgrades (hard drive, graphics, chassis if they're feeling ambitious), I'd probably want to wait a long time before actually getting it. I wouldn't want to deprive myself of options.

If content required an always-online connection, this would be unfortunate, but possibly not a deal-killer, depending on what was on the system at the time that I'd be interested in. If it's mostly single player games or games with local multiplayer, I'd probably try to find a system with those games that doesn't require an internet connection to work. Yeah, everyone should have internet by now, and the games would most likely be downloadable anyway, but sometimes I want to drag my gaming equipment places where wifi costs too much per hour or there's a TV, but no internet. My Xbox sometimes just likes to drop its internet connection, because it's bored with it. If I were ever in a game when that happened on an always-online system, I'd be miffed with that alone.

I find it astonishing that people still play consoles at all

inb4 "but couch gaming!!"

DVS BSTrD:
So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

Not me. I don't buy used games, particularly from GameStop, and rarely trade them in. The one time I bought a used game from them, I took it home and it wasn't playable. I took it back and requested a trade-in for same same game that... you know.. worked and they didn't have any more. I asked for a refund and the manager looked me int he eye and told me that they wouldn't have sold me a game that didn't work. He then offered to buy it back as a used game at about a third of what I paid for it. Yes, right after I told him it the disc was unplayable.

GameStop can kiss my ass.

Back on topic, several developers have come forth and stated that being able to sell games that can't be resold would enable them to charge lower prices, since (presumbaly) they would sell more copies. I'm not sure I believe that. However, it might keep prices from going up further anytime soon, and that would be good enough for me.

Easton Dark:

Well let's not forget about the used console market as well, right? There's lots of ways to reduce cost. And it all depends on how you spend your money. I work at a library, not a millionaire, but I almost never spend anything I make so it stacks up. Maybe someone's in a situation similar to mine but has to pay for their... ooo, old car's gas, or to feed their child. Or maybe they live in a place where new games don't exist/are sick overpriced.

The most common thread I've seen lately is "Women: Question"

well as i said, people have had different stuff to complain about recently but this used game debate is something that just never dies. people sometimes stop complaining about it for a couple months but then it always comes up again and i can remember many weeks where used game debate threads would make up 100% of the threads displayed on the front page and thats just ridiculous

and in cases like the one you described you can simply wait for sales, lower the amount of games you buy, buy games online where they are usually cheaper. as i said, if you are in such a tight situation that a video game is going to wreck your budget then video games should not be a high priority. used games are not something that have been around forever. its a relatively new market and people managed just fine before they existed. the only reason this is a big deal is because now people have become used to the idea of used games and no longer think of it as a good deal but rather as a necessary part of gaming, which it isnt. i dont know when used games first showed up but i dont remember seeing them until the gamecube and xbox days, and maybe not even then

00slash00:

and in cases like the one you described you can simply wait for sales, lower the amount of games you buy, buy games online where they are usually cheaper. as i said, if you are in such a tight situation that a video game is going to wreck your budget then video games should not be a high priority. used games are not something that have been around forever. its a relatively new market and people managed just fine before they existed. the only reason this is a big deal is because now people have become used to the idea of used games and no longer think of it as a good deal but rather as a necessary part of gaming, which it isnt. i dont know when used games first showed up but i dont remember seeing them until the gamecube and xbox days, and maybe not even then

It's not about breaking your budget, I never accept that argument. People on some tight budgets can afford the used games, they can't afford to buy the new ones, and they do want to play games.

Say they want to play the latest call o' doody that never go on sale or lower their price much at all. Only avenue is the used market. There's no reason they couldn't afford to play it if they bought it used, and it would make them very happy to do so.

Or maybe how people base purchasing decisions is on borrowing a friend's copy, or maybe hand-me-down games to siblings.

And uh...

used games are not something that have been around forever.

They've been around since the first home consoles/pc games, what do you mean?

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