Updated: PlayStation 4 Becomes Reality

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TheRussian:
So far so good. What about backwards compatibility? Can I play San Andreas on it?

No backwards compatibility but Sony is developing a online shop for PS 1,2&3 games.

Developing as in not ready yet.

Diablo 3 on PS3 and PS4? When the Blizzard guy made that "take over the world" comment, I didn't really see that as being facetious. The 4 player co-op on one screen idea for Diablo 3 sounds like crazy fun, though.

Death_Korps_Kommissar:

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
According to Destructoid: "It will have 8GB of unified memory, a X86 CPU, 8 CPU cores, 2 teraflops computational performance, and a "Supercharged PC architecture."

How exactly do they plan to sell this thing at a profit? Are they planning on losing even more money in losses?

And before anyone quotes me on this, no, just because Sony stopped making a loss on production of the PS3 in 2010, that is not the same thing as being profitable. They burned through their entire PS2 warchest with the PS3, and that was a huge amount of money. They haven't even begun to recoup the losses they accrued this gen, and now they're going to try and sell yet more consoles at a loss?

Look away from the tech-porn and this isn't exactly good news for Sony. The Ps3 cost them money. The Vita is currently costing them money. They need to start turning an actual profit, not repeating the same business practises that have seen them go from $120 billion worth to $17 billion.

Sorry, I know this is going to be one of the sole cynical voices in amongst all the "WOOOH PS4 YEAH!" but this is not good for Sony. Financially, they're on the ropes. They need to get their shit together.

I think everyone is ignoring you as they circlejerk.

Quick question. Was that really called for?

Adam Jensen:

Nope. Not GPU RAM. System RAM.

It doesn't matter what they choose to use it for, the point is that DDR5 doesn't exist. DDR4 is barely starting to make it to the enterprise sector.

GDDR5 does exist however, so it's safe to assume that's what they're using. Also, it makes sense when you think about it; Like with the Xbox 360, there will be no distinction in the console between "system" and "graphics" RAM, which is why they call it a unified memory architecture.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
According to Destructoid: "It will have 8GB of unified memory, a X86 CPU, 8 CPU cores, 2 teraflops computational performance, and a "Supercharged PC architecture."

How exactly do they plan to sell this thing at a profit? Are they planning on losing even more money in losses?

And before anyone quotes me on this, no, just because Sony stopped making a loss on production of the PS3 in 2010, that is not the same thing as being profitable. They burned through their entire PS2 warchest with the PS3, and that was a huge amount of money. They haven't even begun to recoup the losses they accrued this gen, and now they're going to try and sell yet more consoles at a loss?

Look away from the tech-porn and this isn't exactly good news for Sony. The Ps3 cost them money. The Vita is currently costing them money. They need to start turning an actual profit, not repeating the same business practises that have seen them go from $120 billion worth to $17 billion.

Sorry, I know this is going to be one of the sole cynical voices in amongst all the "WOOOH PS4 YEAH!" but this is not good for Sony. Financially, they're on the ropes. They need to get their shit together.

You're not the only cynical voice. While it is nice tech-porn, they showed me nothing that makes me want to buy the console and unless we're looking at another $600-800 Playstation at launch, they're probably planning to lose money again. The software they showed didn't inspire much confidence on a strong launch line-up either.

Though, Sony's losses aren't entirely tied to their video game division. The gambled hard on huge screened, 3D TVs and lost.

What really let me down with the show is when they trotted out Square Enix.. the kings of the graphics whoring tech demo.. and all they show us is the same engine trailer we all saw back in the summer.

One thing I thought of relating to the console space...now matter how powerful the PS4 or its successors are, the resolution is always going to be limited to the 720p/1080p of HDTVs. On PC we already have 2560p on a single monitor, and much more with multi-monitor setups. I know it's not that big of a deal, but it just occurred to me that the HDTV is already a bottleneck. I'm pretty sure it's just now having some nice market saturation so I know we're probably not going to see higher resolution televisions coming anytime soon. Oculus Rift on consoles?

EDIT: That Ubisoft game where the dude hacked the city with his phone looked incredibly fun, with the kind of open world dicking around that I wished Assassin's Creed had. Yay circlejerking.

The conference started off rather well and just got gradually worse and worse.

The console itself actually looked great, but all the games aside from Knack looked completely uninteresting. And god damn that Move Music thing was hilariously terrible.

I really don't see how anyone can be all that hyped over this.

How in the hell do they intend on actually profiting from any of this? I mean as a Sony console fan I'm super psyched about all of this but they're in a bit of a tight financial bind and they sold the inferior PS3 at a loss at it's high launch price. I don't wanna see them go down the crapper...

Now its time for the optimism!
I am mildly excited by this but I'm not sold on it yet. I'll wait for more info.

MikeWehner:

Update 6: The PlayStation 4 will launch in Holiday 2013. Oh, and we never got to see the console itself.

They never really showed off a working PS3 console at E3 announcement in 2005. Rumor had it on the expo floor that the casing kept melting. Then again what they showed at the 2005 announcement was nothing more than 60% lies and pre-rendered footage.

Tanakh:

Also, Adam Jensen is plain wrong. Current enthusiast cards have 4 GB DDR5, those on SLI will get the 8,

I just want to clarify that SLI/Crossfire setups don't double the amount of dedicated video memory you have. You always have the amount available that the lowest card has (if they don't have the same amount, otherwise you would have 4GB of VRAM available in your SLI scenario.)

Fairly impressed by the visuals, but they aren't too high a jump from PS3, and it seems like we're going to be seeing the exact kinds of games next generation as we did this generation. As a Vita owner, however, the ability to play PS4 games via remote play is a good seller to me, especially as, having not owned a PS3 yet, I would get to play PS3 games as well on the vita, a massive library open to me at launch.

I wasn't amazed by this presentation though. I don't think it will be very hard for Microsoft to at least reach the same technical level with their console.

Adam Jensen:

rhizhim:

Adam Jensen:
8Gb of DDR5 RAM? That's INSANE!

you mean 8 gb of GDDR5 ram on the graphics card. still quite powerful but not uncommon.
the radeon hd 4870 series has GDDR5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR5

Nope. Not GPU RAM. System RAM.

Your both right and your both wrong, its shared ram, used by the CPU/GPU

DrunkOnEstus:

Tanakh:

Also, Adam Jensen is plain wrong. Current enthusiast cards have 4 GB DDR5, those on SLI will get the 8,

I just want to clarify that SLI/Crossfire setups don't double the amount of dedicated video memory you have. You always have the amount available that the lowest card has (if they don't have the same amount, otherwise you would have 4GB of VRAM available in your SLI scenario.)

That's right, forgot about it.

One thing that kinda surprised me was that EA didn't show anything.

Sylveria:

You're not the only cynical voice. While it is nice tech-porn, they showed me nothing that makes me want to buy the console and unless we're looking at another $600-800 Playstation at launch, they're probably planning to lose money again. The software they showed didn't inspire much confidence on a strong launch line-up either.

Though, Sony's losses aren't entirely tied to their video game division. The gambled hard on huge screened, 3D TVs and lost.

What really let me down with the show is when they trotted out Square Enix.. the kings of the graphics whoring tech demo.. and all they show us is the same engine trailer we all saw back in the summer.

They lost big on TV, true, but their gaming division isn't profitable either. They went from undisputed market leader with the PS2, to barely scraping second place with the PS3, and they paid through the nose for the privilege. The Cell processor alone cost them something like $400 million, and it hasn't been used for any of the applications they thought it would.

I don't understand Sony's strategy. Every time they've tried pushing hardware over affordability and profitability, it's lost them marketshare. Their two most succesful consoles, the PS1 and PS2, dominated the market because of how cheap they were to buy, and how easy they were to make a profit from. From a financial perspective, this new economic plan of theirs doesn't make any sense. Sure, they impress the tech nerds, but that's not going to keep the bailiffs from the door. Surely their own numbers, the sales of the Wii and the DS, and their own success with the PS2 and PS1 should tell them that loss-leading hardware isn't a viable strategy?

Haven't heard a damn thing about it blocking or not blocking used games. As I've stated many times by now, if it does well the next Xbox get's my money. I'll be honest, alot of the "social" stuff is just wasted on me since I always play alone and offline.

Price? Used games functionality? The console itself?

Come on Sony, tech demos are cool and everything, but we need to see more.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
According to Destructoid: "It will have 8GB of unified memory, a X86 CPU, 8 CPU cores, 2 teraflops computational performance, and a "Supercharged PC architecture."

How exactly do they plan to sell this thing at a profit? Are they planning on losing even more money in losses?

And before anyone quotes me on this, no, just because Sony stopped making a loss on production of the PS3 in 2010, that is not the same thing as being profitable. They burned through their entire PS2 warchest with the PS3, and that was a huge amount of money. They haven't even begun to recoup the losses they accrued this gen, and now they're going to try and sell yet more consoles at a loss?

Look away from the tech-porn and this isn't exactly good news for Sony. The Ps3 cost them money. The Vita is currently costing them money. They need to start turning an actual profit, not repeating the same business practises that have seen them go from $120 billion worth to $17 billion.

Sorry, I know this is going to be one of the sole cynical voices in amongst all the "WOOOH PS4 YEAH!" but this is not good for Sony. Financially, they're on the ropes. They need to get their shit together.

Burning piles of money in a gambit win hearts and minds is the right of multi-faceted companies like Sony and Microsoft. Did you know they have departments other than for games? It's true! And some of those other departments make a lot of money! This is why Nintendo, which only has games, is the one that's been forfeiting the power game and trying to work a 3rd angle miracle.

So they allow you to play a game while its downloading thats cool but I never thought the download times for the PS3 was bad and I have HORRIABLE internet connection.

Crazie_Guy:

Burning piles of money in a gambit win hearts and minds is the right of multi-faceted companies like Sony and Microsoft. Did you know they have departments other than for games? It's true! And some of those other departments make a lot of money! This is why Nintendo, which only has games, is the one that's been forfeiting the power game and trying to work a 3rd angle miracle.

Yeah, except that in case you hadn't heard, Sony's other departments are all losing money as well. Their TV department has sunk billions, their phones are way behind the market leaders like Samsung and Apple, and their music division is frankly a joke compared to the glory days of the Walkman.

It doesn't matter how many divisions they have. They're still losing money. They were worth $120 billion in 2002. They're worth $17 billion now. Their credit has been downgraded to junk status. Their share prices are down at a 30 year low.

They need to start making profits in all their divisions if they want to stop from sinking. And blowing cash on expensive hardware that has to be sold at a loss is not the way to do it.

"Holiday 2013"?

Is that a remix of the old Madonna song, or what?

No thanks Sony, I'm not impressed at anything you announced today, although the idea of recording your own gameplay is pretty neat and about freaking time, but I'm not a fan of streaming content, especially PS3 games.

The games announced... meh...

And that new controller... just no.

I'll happily and gladly skip this entire new generation.

dagens24:
Colour me jaded but I give zero effs about sharing and videos and blah blah blah; I just want to play my damn game.

No doubt. Better hardware is awesome. Gimmicky motion controls and social media integration is crap.

It looks pretty good, but I hate the Xbox UI, and I'm very skeptical of the friends taking over your controller stuff. I'm just really worried about the industry treating consumers even worse this generation. Oh well, here's hoping for the best.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
According to Destructoid: "It will have 8GB of unified memory, a X86 CPU, 8 CPU cores, 2 teraflops computational performance, and a "Supercharged PC architecture."

How exactly do they plan to sell this thing at a profit? Are they planning on losing even more money in losses?

And before anyone quotes me on this, no, just because Sony stopped making a loss on production of the PS3 in 2010, that is not the same thing as being profitable. They burned through their entire PS2 warchest with the PS3, and that was a huge amount of money. They haven't even begun to recoup the losses they accrued this gen, and now they're going to try and sell yet more consoles at a loss?

Look away from the tech-porn and this isn't exactly good news for Sony. The Ps3 cost them money. The Vita is currently costing them money. They need to start turning an actual profit, not repeating the same business practises that have seen them go from $120 billion worth to $17 billion.

Sorry, I know this is going to be one of the sole cynical voices in amongst all the "WOOOH PS4 YEAH!" but this is not good for Sony. Financially, they're on the ropes. They need to get their shit together.

This is actually way less crazy than the PS3. They went with x86 instead of inventing a whole new processor (cell) and a new type of optical drive (blu-ray). And, they aren't putting an entire PS2 inside it. It's actually sort of sane as Sony goes.

RicoADF:

Adam Jensen:

rhizhim:

you mean 8 gb of GDDR5 ram on the graphics card. still quite powerful but not uncommon.
the radeon hd 4870 series has GDDR5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR5

Nope. Not GPU RAM. System RAM.

Your both right and your both wrong, its shared ram, used by the CPU/GPU

Hang on, they cannot both be right. DDR and GDDR are different in more ways than simply where they are soldered, voltages, timings, frequencies and such are different between them.

"GDDR5 is based on DDR3 SDRAM."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR5

Additionally, I am not sure that DDR5 ram exists, despite the existence of DDR3 based GDDR5.
I haven't even heard of DDR4 being released yet.

Edit additional: I am glad that they have increased the total level of ram in their system. We hopefully might begin to see continuous environments in bethsoft games.

Edit additional: DDR4 ram isn't finished yet, and its expected to be released for use in 2015, which makes the claims that PS4 uses DDR5 SDRAM pretty suspicious to me, its more likely they use GDDR5 which is modified DDR3 SDRAM.

CardinalPiggles:
Price? Used games functionality? The console itself?

Come on Sony, tech demos are cool and everything, but we need to see more.

Ive been on a few sites about this topic. People are thinking that judging by what we where told in the vid and the total lack of actual releasing of a console could mean its digital only. If they showed the console, we would see it would have no disc port for games. It has the ability to download PS1, PS2 and PS3 games so why not PS4 games as well? They would definitely prove the no used games thing.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Crazie_Guy:

Burning piles of money in a gambit win hearts and minds is the right of multi-faceted companies like Sony and Microsoft. Did you know they have departments other than for games? It's true! And some of those other departments make a lot of money! This is why Nintendo, which only has games, is the one that's been forfeiting the power game and trying to work a 3rd angle miracle.

Yeah, except that in case you hadn't heard, Sony's other departments are all losing money as well. Their TV department has sunk billions, their phones are way behind the market leaders like Samsung and Apple, and their music division is frankly a joke compared to the glory days of the Walkman.

It doesn't matter how many divisions they have. They're still losing money. They were worth $120 billion in 2002. They're worth $17 billion now. Their credit has been downgraded to junk status. Their share prices are down at a 30 year low.

They need to start making profits in all their divisions if they want to stop from sinking. And blowing cash on expensive hardware that has to be sold at a loss is not the way to do it.

Somehow I doubt they're going to crash all that hard, and even if they do, I don't really care. I'm more interested in pushing all gaming forward than worrying about Sony's future.

Still... on one side, we have the company itself with their revenue figures, their treasury, their experts working on marketing and financial analyses, all of their knowledge of their own situation both from inside and out, all culminating in a well researched decision to follow this path, one that is already backed by an army of the biggest developers who also think they're going to do fine. On the other side, we have a guy on the internet shaking his fist and telling them to be more careful with their money. Hmm... which side to bet on....

And it's not like gaming itself revolves around Sony. Given the choice, I'd rather them crash spectacularly with a monster of a gaming box that hopefully pushes the next Xbox into being something even better, than cow their head and drag out a weak box that could only compete with the Wii U so they can lick their wounds and push no boundaries.

The console must be camera shy, or maybe it just doesn't want to whore itself out on stage.

Looks interesting, will continue to watch. Yet deep within my soul I know that in the future it will only cause suffering, why so much hate on game forums, why so much hate?

Crazie_Guy:

Somehow I doubt they're going to crash all that hard, and even if they do, I don't really care. I'm more interested in pushing all gaming forward than worrying about Sony's future.

Still... on one side, we have the company itself with their revenue figures, their treasury, their experts working on marketing and financial analyses, all of their knowledge of their own situation both from inside and out, all culminating in a well researched decision to follow this path, one that is already backed by an army of the biggest developers who also think they're going to do fine. On the other side, we have a guy on the internet shaking his fist and telling them to be more careful with their money. Hmm... which side to bet on....

And it's not like gaming itself revolves around Sony. Given the choice, I'd rather them crash spectacularly with a monster of a gaming box that hopefully pushes the next Xbox into being something even better, than cow their head and drag out a weak box that could only compete with the Wii U so they can lick their wounds and push no boundaries.

Firstly, it's not just some guy on the internet. Financial analysts and economists have been saying this for ages. Sony needs to sort itself out, or it will run out of money in all its divisions.

And you should care about this. The last time a major hardware company actually went bankrupt, it was Atari. And it caused the videogame crash of 83. Hardware companies have a huge impact on the medium, as their products are the foundation of the industry, the hardware on which all the other companies are dependent. If Sony crashes, then that will have a huge impact on the industry, and huge negative repurcussions. This is the sort of thing that can cause stocks to plummet, and cause industry wide meltdowns.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Firstly, it's not just some guy on the internet. Financial analysts and economists have been saying this for ages. Sony needs to sort itself out, or it will run out of money in all its divisions.

And you should care about this. The last time a major hardware company actually went bankrupt, it was Atari. And it caused the videogame crash of 83. Hardware companies have a huge impact on the medium, as their products are the foundation of the industry, the hardware on which all the other companies are dependent. If Sony crashes, then that will have a huge impact on the industry, and huge negative repurcussions. This is the sort of thing that can cause stocks to plummet, and cause industry wide meltdowns.

The 1983 game industry is incomparable to the one today. It was fledgling, VERY niche enthusiast focused, not taken seriously by a vast majority of people and not populated by the sheer volume of powerful and well established companies that we have today, without even mentioning the avalanche of indie developers and the flood of crowdfunding. Oh, and that niche group of enthusiasts and handful of indecisive people wondering if this gaming fad was going to turn into anything has grown into millions of avid gamers eager to throw their money at whoever is bringing them the best games, whether it's Sony or whatever rises to take their place. I'm sorry, but even Sony crashing is not capable of causing an industry wide meltdown. Hell, it might even make things better if it could break up the AAA market stagnation somewhat let the indie stuff come to the forefront more.

A useless system announced. Based on everything they announced today, I really hope that it flops big. The gaming industry needs one of the big ones to fail in order for it to truly recover, and actually start making games for gamers again.

I'll pass.

So to recap; our only real "new features" are a built-in game recording system (really cool, but something that can be accomplished with 3rd party software fairly easily already), and the ability to play games pre-download. Basically only rudimentary software enhancements... that could probably have been conducted by updating PS3 software. I suppose maybe they made the processing upgrades necessary. Maybe.

That, and a new controller which... oh come on, who made this swollen, hornet-stung thing? Crab people?

And yeah let's just get this out of the way;

-A touchscreen with only visual feedback is difficult to make engaging, a touchpad with NO feedback is virtually impossible to make engaging.

-Nobody liked the facebook button on that one HTC phone. I don't see why people will like this one any more.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
*snip*

To further support your point, eliminating a company's biggest competitor would not "push the nextbox to be even better" as that guy you're quoting suggests.

If anything Microsoft would be less motivated than ever to give 2 shits about hardware quality if Sony were out of their way.

It's why monopolies are generally frowned upon in government regulation.

Why would they put a netbook CPU in a gaming console? This makes no sense at all.

RJ 17:
I'm just waiting for info to confirm or disconfirm the "Used-Game-Blocking" rumors. Because if Playstation doesn't do it, there's no way in hell XBox WILL do it unless they want to send players flocking to their biggest competetor in droves.

I know I'll sure as hell be picking up whichever one doesn't block used games (assuming that one does and one doesn't).

Yeah... I went into this article hoping to hear about used-game-locking and backwards-compatibility.

Oh well... We'll find out eventually.

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