Rockstar Uses Actual Gang Members for GTA V Voice Acting

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I see no problem with this. It's not like they shot their way into the recording booth and then beat a prostitute on mic for authentic sound effects.

Assuming Rockstar paid them in actual money rather than the equivalent value in drugs/alcohol, this may be the closest thing to honest work many of these guys have seen in a while.

I think its a good idea. First off, you can hardly say people don't deserve a job just because they are part of a gang. How do you expect them to change if its the only way they can get money? Secondly why wouldn't Rockstar try to improve their game just because some gang member might profit from it a little.

Thirdly, I get to hear gangsters talk. I can then borrow these lines and look even whiter than normal when I try to use them.

It's funny, they did this exact same thing for San Andreas. I mean, not knowing much about gangs or their talking it is hard to notice but I guess it is a cool little bit of information to know about their voice actors.

GoaThief:
Why shouldn't they offer a legal alternative to making money? How is a person supposed to change if you don't provide a means for them to do so?

Stars like Danny Trejo seem to indicate that offering legitimate employment is potentially life changing and/or saving.

Helps to have any indication they intend to change.

The only details here are that they "hired criminals". That good be a good thing, particularly if this were a consistent thing and start making a living out of it (of course, then they'd stop being legitimate criminals and not be qualified ?), or it could just be that Rockstar funded them to buy guns/drugs the next day. I don't know which is the case, but the latter even being a possibility is kind of bad.

I am truly surprised by the number of narrow-minded people posting on this thread. There is no-way near enough information to judge rockstar with their move. Plus, not many gang members believe they can choose their life as they can sometimes only survive when growing up, to be part of a gang. We have generally been 'pack' species anyway. To judge them as just 'criminal scum' straight away, then hating rockstar for even trying to give them a better opportunity to earn some honest money is just downright shallow and hateful. Perhaps too many people here have been raised in silver-spooned comfort while watching american news and police shows to gain their view of the world.

Personally, i believe that gang members know how to show attitude when needed. So there is a high probability that they can say certain lines with the correct angst required. rockstar hasn't let me down before with believable voice acting. Bloody controversy will no doubt spiral either way

So many high horses in this thread.....

OT: I'm intrigued by this. Sure it probably wasn't necessary and if I hadn't read the news then I may not have even noticed but now I'm kinda interested to see how this turns out.

I am not surprised in the least. Seems like 'wannabe thugs' are also one of their target demographics, and they'll eat this up with a spoon. I've just never found anything fun or enjoyable about these games. I played 4 hours of GTA4 and thought it was as monotonous as the sims, only with gangs and stuff. I don't need a gritty life simulator, thanks. I already know how shitty a place the world is.

Callate:
Funny thing? Being in a gang doesn't mean you can deliver a line of dialogue.

Because I'm sure the company spending millions of dollars to develop the game isn't going to get the guys who are interested to audition and see if they can pull off a good performance. Nah, they definitely would have just grabbed people off of the street, threw them in a recording booth, and kept whatever takes happened to come out, regardless of quality.

yeah... this seems kinda exploitative, to be honest. Let's use poor people to make our million dollar franchise more legit.

Also taking away jobs from actual voice actors.

Jadak:
Helps to have any indication they intend to change.

The only details here are that they "hired criminals". That good be a good thing, particularly if this were a consistent thing and start making a living out of it (of course, then they'd stop being legitimate criminals and not be qualified ?), or it could just be that Rockstar funded them to buy guns/drugs the next day. I don't know which is the case, but the latter even being a possibility is kind of bad.

Give me a break. Rockstar is giving people an opportunity they might never have had before. Ever. Maybe they'll want to try and pursue it in the future. But in either case, do you really think whatever they got paid for a few recording sessions is going to dramatically impact how much they spend on drugs or guns or committing crimes? Not really.

And if you have a problem with the idea that that might happen, do you also have a problem with places like grocery stores that take money from known criminals who obtained that money illegally?

Here's the reality of the situation: whatever Rockstar paid them will in no way materially affect crimes they may or may not commit. Moreover, the idea that a person offering genuine, legal employment, should refuse to higher someone who is or was in a gang because of what they MIGHT do with that money is patently ridiculous.

For the people defending the practice, I doubt any of the gang members are going to get a legitimate job out of this, the people that have a problem with it seem to be going along the lines of "Well great, You gave people that kill other people, distribute drugs, or slavery more money. Well done"

Then again, we all give our respective government tax money every year so I guess not many of us have an issue with that.

I'm sorry but what?

What about the actual good voice actors that spend time and money, sweat and blood into becoming something so they could someday participate in a huge project like...you know, GTA V.

Seems kinda unfair.
And these are criminals you are talking about, in the best case scenario they will change their mind about crime, but do you seriously believe any other company will employ them? HAH.

Cognimancer:
There's nothing worse than that, so just go find the terrifying people and say 'can you come in here please?'

I suddenly imagine nerds in thick rim, taped glasses run for their lives from every gang in Orange County, all at once XD

It woulda been really interesting to get more insight into the recordings, though. I'm sure it was a very cool experience for the GTA crew. Talking to, or even being near, an OG crew is intimidating as balls.

Negatempest:
All I can think of is the scene from Tropic Thunder.

Yeah, the whole real gang thing is far from a good idea.

I was more reminded of this

Posses of crack heads lol

GoaThief:
Why shouldn't they offer a legal alternative to making money? How is a person supposed to change if you don't provide a means for them to do so?

Stars like Danny Trejo seem to indicate that offering legitimate employment is potentially life changing and/or saving.

Exactly, whats the point in going to prison if the only thing your going to learn is how to be a better criminal and no one wants to hire you when you get out. Also, I think this should work great even if it might be iffy for a lot of people. I did find a lot of GTA's dialogue to be corny as hell or at best something that would be screamed at me in Call of Duty.

You mean like they did with Max Payne 3? And with San Andreas?

This is hardly new information, and a lot of you people need to get off of your high horses. These are people doing a job for money. You can bitch and moan about Rockstar facilitating gang violence, but here's the thing: every time you buy a diamond you run the risk of supporting violence. Every time you buy a shirt, shoes, or pants, there's a strong chance it was made by an underage factory worker slaving away for long hours to provide for his family. I can go on and on.

Don't be ignorant of where your money goes and then flaunt a superiority complex because a company gave these people the time of day.

I think it might be worthwhile to point out that extinctions exist between being an active party to criminal activity (a criminal) and a ex convict (or felon) with a criminal record.

I think what bothers people is that:
A) It feels like a shady publicity move, which Rockstar is known to do.
B) While it's legitimate work, it's a job secured on the predication of previous criminal activity. Rewarding a legacy of bad behavior, so to speak.

Personally, I don't care, but I think those are the mechanics of bad taste, stated above.

Eh. If I remember, the Wire did the same thing, so there's precedent.

I'd wager a bet that +75% of the comments against this are coming from people residing in the good ol' US&A.

I can hardly understand what's so bad about it. Nobody would give a fuck if half of the VA's would spend their money for drugs & hookers, but suddenly "ermergerd scery gengmemburs"!
Now you condemn people for doing a legal job?

I'll never understand that train of logic and/or sense of morality/empathy.

Hey, it worked for The Wire:

Getting people with criminal experience on board for some acting/consulting roles for films/TV isn't exactly new, I can't think of too many examples off the top of my head but I do know that Tony Sirico (Paulie on the Sopranos) got arrested nearly 30 times before getting into acting. Maybe not so many being literally picked off the streets whilst possibly still committing crimes, but we don't know the exact details behind the story just yet. At any rate, if gets them doing honest work for once or has a possibility to get some of these people off the streets, then I don't see a problem. I loved GTA IV, RDR and LA Noire and I like what I've been seeing thus far, so I'm looking forward to this one. :3

Vivi22:

Callate:
Funny thing? Being in a gang doesn't mean you can deliver a line of dialogue.

Because I'm sure the company spending millions of dollars to develop the game isn't going to get the guys who are interested to audition and see if they can pull off a good performance. Nah, they definitely would have just grabbed people off of the street, threw them in a recording booth, and kept whatever takes happened to come out, regardless of quality.

Not what I said, or am saying. But if you limit your selection to "authentic" gang members, you have a far smaller pool of people who can perform, and are far more likely to accept a sub-par performance because of the additional and seemingly artificial "legitimacy" requirement you added to the selection process.

sethisjimmy:

"We don't want a goofy L.A. actor who went to a fancy school trying to be a hard gang member," Jones says. "There's nothing worse than that, so just go find the terrifying people and say 'can you come in here please?'"

It doesn't really bother me that much, except for that one little "nothing could be worse" jab. It was perfectly fine for literally every other voiced GTA games to not have real gang members acting, but suddenly, for the fifth one, nothing could be worse than using actual voice actors.

This.

I have no problem with them consulting gang members (and paying them) to make the dialog more authentic, but the idea that professional voice actors are inferior to random untrained people off the street is insulting to all voice actors and fairly idiotic overall. When you get amateurs to voice act, you tend to get very stilted delivery.

Here's my question - is Rockstar actually doing this because they can pay the gang members less? Voice acting is one of the most expensive aspects of AAA gaming, so it Rockstar trying to cheap out by hiring people who don't know that they're getting shafted on pay? Because, if so, that at least I could understand. It's still insulting, to both the voice actors and the gang members, but I could understand it.

Vivi22:
Because I'm sure the company spending millions of dollars to develop the game isn't going to get the guys who are interested to audition and see if they can pull off a good performance. Nah, they definitely would have just grabbed people off of the street, threw them in a recording booth, and kept whatever takes happened to come out, regardless of quality.

Yeah, except that your sarcastic comment is exactly what Rockstar said they did. We can only comment on what the article tells us, and that's what it told us.

SonicWaffle:

If anything, it's the opposite. Rockstar has hired them because they're legitimately scary dudes who are actually involved in the gang lifestyle. To them, it's probably yet another example of how crime pays - if they weren't gangsters, they wouldn't have earned this money. It's legitimate employment, sure, but legitimate employment based solely on the fact that they are criminals. I don't think that's as positive a message as some in the this thread are trying to claim.

Indeed. It's hardly the best thing, but illegal or actually supporting crime?

Yeah, I just don't see it as good or bad.

This stink of a marketing ploy. Don't get suckered in. It's a publicity stunt, nothing more.

Baldr:
As a game developer I don't think it a great idea/ethical to support criminal gangs. Reformed gang members I would probably be ok with, but taking actual criminals is another.

On the other hand they are giving gang members a legitimate job for a while and some work experience that they might have otherwise not got.

alphamalet:
Snip.

Besides the fact that you appear to show a complete lack of human empathy, I actually meant to say "often turn to crime as a last resort" and not "only" and have edited my original post to reflect that. I realize there are genuinely bad people out there, however I believe that most people are not bad people by nature. And some people are just misguided and in that case there's not much to do about it.

I hope they allow anyone who says gangster or has the work gang in their recording studio, good lord having something like the SugarHill Gang would be amusing.

Cognimancer:
Rockstar hired a specialist to find members of criminal gangs, "like El Salvadorian gang dudes with amazing tattoos

Does anyone else find this absolutely terrifying? Could you imagine a job where you were asked to go to the darkest alleyways of Skidrow to find talent?

Davroth:
This stink of a marketing ploy. Don't get suckered in. It's a publicity stunt, nothing more.

Like I said before, they've done the same thing for San Andreas and Max Payne 3. I think people finally caught wind of it.

Ooh i do like gritty stories...but that's due to probably being a depressive child growing into a cynical, depressive adult.

But then i do like beautiful, colourful fantasies. Also probably due to being a depressive child turning into a cynical, depressive adult.

Perhaps that's why the word 'escapist' seduced me unto this site. But i digress. Is it not worrying, logical down to earth posters here, that if so many 'gamers' can kick up such a shitty stink about such a trivial decision...what the hell will the non-gamer anally retentive types have to say about it?
I would recommend not taking everything literally in every report you read, so much can be left out just to create controversy and 'good' news stories. Wise up.

Everyone is this thread:
"Those game developers shouldn't be giving money to those horrible gang members. We all know where that money's going anyway. Filthy Criminals. Probably foreign."

Hazy:

Davroth:
This stink of a marketing ploy. Don't get suckered in. It's a publicity stunt, nothing more.

Like I said before, they've done the same thing for San Andreas and Max Payne 3. I think people finally caught wind of it.

What? They announced it on a radio show... they revealed it.

It's a marketing stunt. Even the slightest bit of controversy is gold for them.

Davroth:

Hazy:

Davroth:
This stink of a marketing ploy. Don't get suckered in. It's a publicity stunt, nothing more.

Like I said before, they've done the same thing for San Andreas and Max Payne 3. I think people finally caught wind of it.

What? They announced it on a radio show... they revealed it.

It's a marketing stunt. Even the slightest bit of controversy is gold for them.

Yeah, what I'm saying is that it's silly people are suddenly reporting on this now, when it's been going on for years.

Isn't this a little like reality TV where the non actors are cheaper?

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