YouTube Issued Copyright Claims Against Miracle of Sound

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Living_Brain:
Goodbye YouTube, and hello Vimeo!

Hello? *voice echoes around the website*
Hold on, I see something.. over there *points to the left* is a lack of monetization... over that way *points right* are a bunch of bandwidth caps. And right in front of me... the 13 people currently using Vimeo.

Right, that's why Youtube dominates.

This is sadly why YouTube will get away with all this BS. Currently there isn't anyone who is willing or able to compete.

This ain't fun and games, this is peoples livelihood youtube is messing up here.
What they're doing is fraud and slander on a massive scale and they should be hit with a class action lawsuit.

I wonder to whom the ad revenues of all those fake claims go.
Wouldn't it be ironic if it was google?

Youtube messed nothing up in this regard. Mr. Dunne obviously signed a contract which allowed Tunecore to police the copyrights on his behalf (otherwise he could simply go to google and dispute their right to claim copyright, instead of handling things through tunecore).

If you want to give away informal rights to your works you don't sign a contract which allows your publisher to chase copyright infringement on your behalf ... this was bound to happen sooner or later really, read your contracts people.

I wonder if Google is going to get sued collectively by some copyright holders for making life & work more difficult. They're probably going to win the next Worst Company in America though.

GAunderrated:

Living_Brain:
Goodbye YouTube, and hello Vimeo!

Hello? *voice echoes around the website*
Hold on, I see something.. over there *points to the left* is a lack of monetization... over that way *points right* are a bunch of bandwidth caps. And right in front of me... the 13 people currently using Vimeo.

Right, that's why Youtube dominates.

This is sadly why YouTube will get away with all this BS. Currently there isn't anyone who is willing or able to compete.

Blip is a popular alternative. The worst alternative is probably Veoh, who was pretty much already doing the exact same shit Youtube is doing now, but started years ago.

Pinky's Brain:

If you want to give away informal rights to your works you don't sign a contract which allows your publisher to chase copyright infringement on your behalf ... this was bound to happen sooner or later really, read your contracts people.

People just love throwing that line around, don't they.

Tunecore changed the terms & conditions of the arrangement in 12/12/13 without telling any of the artists.

They amended the terms & conditions without the knowledge of us, their customers. So please, spare us all your 'read your contract' line.

http://dd.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1t1c1a/indmusic_is_ripping_musicians_off_wtunecore_and/

https://twitter.com/MPSouleye/status/413097274080653313

And when Youtube allows third parties to claim any video they like, without having to prove they have the rights? You bet your ass they messed up.

MiracleOfSound:

And when Youtube allows third parties to claim any video they like, without having to prove they have the rights? You bet your ass they messed up.

Sadly whenever I see people making claims like "read your contract" or some stuff like that they've actually not created videos on YouTube and seen how bad this system is. >.>
I know what you're going through when it comes to YouTube's broken system Gav, I know all too well. >.>

Diana Kingston-Gabai:
Can't wait to hear the song this will surely inspire... :)

Gavin's got a pretty applicable one already, with a few little tweaks to the lyrics:

Agayek:

Gezzer:
You've got a point. While the definition of fair use could be better defined I also think some of the problem comes from how very valuable those copyrights are. We have a section of the economy where the buying and selling of both copyrights and patents are a big business, which really no longer benefits the originators. I think one of the reasons that fair use is so restricted and IP holders are so ruthless in their defense of their IPs is because of the high worth of those IPs in the marketplace. I think any reduction in the worth of those IPs for corporations without removing the ability of the originators to see good return for their efforts would go a long way to reduce this feeding frenzy like behavior where IP rights are concerned.

This much I don't disagree with. My point was more that someone owning a copyright wasn't really so much of a problem as how that copyright is applied. I may have misinterpreted your original post.

That said, there's a really easy fix to all the points you bring up: Make copyrights unsaleable. The copyright holder can still grant permission to other entities to use their copyright should they desire (and presumably for money) but the core license can not ever leave the ownership of the original creator. Thus, when the creator dies or the copyright expires, the copyright ceases to exist and the work in question enters the public domain.

This would immediately remove the constant fighting over IP ownership and, quite literally, make it impossible for companies to keep hoarding the stuff.

Great ideas, which we all know won't happen because there are far too many people making far too much money who have WAAAY too much influence in ol DC than they should have (nothing more than the average joe is what they SHOULD have) that will NEVER allow copyright laws to change in any way that won't benefit them even more.

MorganL4:
So let me get this straight...

Gav's publisher issued a copyright claim on Gav's music, in order to prevent people from taking advantage of Gav's work. But they forgot to tell Gav, and so he got accused of copyright infringement for posting his own work online.... Did I read the story correctly?

Yeah that was pretty confusing to be honest. I couldnt even figure out if Gav had actually lost money on it, or if it goes to him through his label or whatever Tunecore is.

If he's lost money, others probably have to. Isnt that kind of thing grounds for a legal case...?

The only thing I'm wondering is what we can do about this... I mean, there are so many moving parts in this behemoth of a catastrophe, how can we make sure that these companies get screwed, but not the content creators?

This is quite the depressing situation we're in here.

WTH, Google? I expected so much better from you. Are you feeling well? Do you need help or something?

You know I really can't believe this. Google runs a flawless, powerful, efficient web search engine every day with freaking style but when it comes to simple user-uploaded videos, they turn into dumbass-mcgee in special ed class.

Jesus fucking christ, this youtube content ID program is an abomination. Gavin has become another victim to this endless automated clusterfuck of a program, which Google seems to give zero shits about.
Original content creators like the developer of VVVVVV and Johnathan Blow are being affected and it's their own content!

I've been reading from Youtubers like AngryJoe about how this system automatically copyright claims even though the companies gave the a-ok to the video content, and some are being hit by hit and run scammers. I've also been told by my friends who upload videos are losing 100% money to fraudulent claims. Youtube won't help!

This system is so broken and so exploitative, and the worse thing is Google/Youtube just doesn't care. As long as they get their share of the ad revenue from content creators they don't care who's being affected.

You dun goofed big time Google.

MiracleOfSound:

josemlopes:
I dont really see the problem though, isnt he payed by The Escapist? The videos are still up, right? He just doesnt get money out of them, isnt that what it was like at the start except now he is working for The Escapist therefore getting paid by The Escapist?

I am partnered with Machinima on Youtube and a large part of my livelihood is ad revenue from my Youtube videos. The same ad revenue which Indmusic claimed 20% of as it's 'fee' for sending the money back to me as the copyright owner through Tunecore - without my consent, effectively making me lose money.

They also claim ad rev from OTHER peoples' videos for using my songs, again taking 20% for themselves. I have yet to see a penny of it and when I do I don't know if it will tell me how much was taken from each person's channel. Needless to say I find this practice disgusting.

Whether or not I even lost money (which i undoubtedly did), the basic principle is that they should not be doing this without my consent.

Your attitude in that post equates to: 'If I work two jobs and one boss steals part of my wage, who cares because my other job still pays me fully. No harm done, right!'

I dont know if this has been brought up, but cant you, and those who you have given permission to use your music, file a lawsuit against the retards at Indmusic and Tunecore for theft?

That is really what they are doing, they are stealing your money and the money of people you have authorized to use your music. And it really does seem like Indmusic is flat out stealing if they flagged your videos, for you, so that they can take 20% of your income...

I hate to say it again, but this is Capitalism's fault... Nah, who am I kidding I like to say it again, it's true!

soren7550:
I dunno, they may have a point. Take a closer look at the picture they use in the article.

On Dunne's sleeve is a patch that says 'HS 29'. Clearly, the 'HS' stands for High School, and from that we can deduce that '29' stands for his year of graduation, 1929, MEANING, that Dunne is either some sort of immortal that steals the bodies of younger men in order to be ever alive and youthful, OR he stole that shirt from an actual High School graduate of the class of '29.

Either way, Dunne is a FRAUD, and that's how he stole his own music.

Clearly that's how it is.

In Ireland we call them secondary schools or post-primary, not high schools.

actually, i kinda get it. one of my first thought when i heard about Google's newest attempt to un-fun-itize Youtube, most of the stuff on the escapist is stock footage and mostly audio focused. The jimquisition, big picture, miracle of sound, escape to the movies, unskippable...
Mostly just listening to someone using their voice. And even though most of it is either for journalistic purposes or review, we need to remember that the youtube staff are ... sadists.

I believe I have an almost appropriate image for this situation.


Now just multiply that image about a hundred time and it would be more appropriate. Seriously Google, you wanted YouTube and now you have it. That doesn't mean you get to do this shit and act as if nothing is wrong. FIX IT.

Gavin "Miracle of Sound" Dunne woke up one morning to discover he'd been plagiarizing content from... Gav "Miracle of Sound" Dunne.
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Desert Punk:

I dont know if this has been brought up, but cant you, and those who you have given permission to use your music, file a lawsuit against the retards at Indmusic and Tunecore for theft?

That is really what they are doing, they are stealing your money and the money of people you have authorized to use your music. And it really does seem like Indmusic is flat out stealing if they flagged your videos, for you, so that they can take 20% of your income...

Unlikely, Tunecore and Indmusic would just point the finger at Google and never admit their wrongdoing for allowing this to happen, while Google will do pretty much the same thing and is pretty much untouchable anyway.
The reasons that Google is getting away with this crap is:

1. They are too big and powerful to have any reason to give a rat's ass about some guy putting a lawsuit on them.

2. The legal fees are barely a blip to Google while it would probably bankrupt most all of the content creators who actually bother to take them to court, and they'll probably lose to Google's better funded legal team anyway.

3. For every 1 person who wises up and switches to some other video site, there's 10,000 more idiots who don't know or don't care what Google is doing. This is a problem in all industries.

4. Google and Youtube are pretty much the only game of note out there anyway. Google knows this, they know they can do whatever they want to their viewers and there's not a DAMN thing anyone can do about it.

We "the people" are stuck in a pretty inescapable Catch 22, there's not anything any of us and do about what Google is doing and anything we try to do would in all likelyhood make things worse.

likalaruku:
I wonder if Google is going to get sued collectively by some copyright holders for making life & work more difficult. They're probably going to win the next Worst Company in America though.

The reason Google has this stupid Content ID system is that they did get sued by several of the big corporate copyright holders because of the massive amount of unauthorised stuff that used to be on Youtube. That wasn't enough to satisfy Viacom, though and that case is still ongoing.

So after figuring that it was mistake Gavin received revenue from that time his videos were down?
Right? RIGHT???
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Well, that would make sense.

that bastard, how dare he steal his own work and upload it to YouTube for profit
has he no shame

Spot1990:

soren7550:
I dunno, they may have a point. Take a closer look at the picture they use in the article.

On Dunne's sleeve is a patch that says 'HS 29'. Clearly, the 'HS' stands for High School, and from that we can deduce that '29' stands for his year of graduation, 1929, MEANING, that Dunne is either some sort of immortal that steals the bodies of younger men in order to be ever alive and youthful, OR he stole that shirt from an actual High School graduate of the class of '29.

Either way, Dunne is a FRAUD, and that's how he stole his own music.

Clearly that's how it is.

In Ireland we call them secondary schools or post-primary, not high schools.

Then he either stole the body of an American or the shirt of an American. Meaning Dunne is an international deviant fraud.

THE PLOT THICKENS!

Fucking Youtube, is there nowhere your insidious tentacles won't reach?!? I'm seriously considering a boycott of the site... if not for my crippling Youtube addiction... goddamnit...

FalloutJack:
Pitchforks! Torches and pitchforks! Get 'em here! Get 'em while they're hot!

(Come on, you know this is coming.)

Gimme some, I have to vent my frustrations somehow!

Desert Punk:

That is really what they are doing, they are stealing your money and the money of people you have authorized to use your music. And it really does seem like Indmusic is flat out stealing if they flagged your videos, for you, so that they can take 20% of your income...

There will be lawsuits filed no doubt as falsely flagging is committing Copyfraud which in itself is illegal. The problem is that in some of these cases the money is being put into foreign accounts which can quickly be closed or relocated making it difficult to track.
But yes, these false claims are grounds for lawsuits for many people, and while I don't know if Gav can sue, other people can and sure as hell will.

Full Metal Bolshevik:
I hate to say it again, but this is Capitalism's fault... Nah, who am I kidding I like to say it again, it's true!

I really don't think a major Communism advocate is in any place to point out the fairly mild (in comparison) problems that happen when capitalism breaks down. Just saying.

OT: What WOULD it take to get copywrite rewritten for a modern context?

cojo965:
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Well, OBVIOUSLY Darth Vader heard news that a habitable planet in the Endor system had an abnormally high level of midichlorians in its oceans. He realized that by studying those naturally-occurring midichlorians he could give the empire an edge in their usage of The Force, so he landed on that planet and collected water samples with a couple of jugs, using the filter on one of them to filter out other non-midicholorian contaminants. He did it himself because he didn't trust his underlings to do it correctly.

Also, I'm a robot representing George Lucas and I'm issuing a copyright takedown on this whole thread because of the blatant usage of the image of Darth Vader.

Also, I just said Darth Vader without purchasing the license to that name so I must now self destruct. *BOOM*

Geez, this is like a schoolyard bully making you punch yourself in the face repeatedly and going 'stop plagiarizing yourself!'

XMark:
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Shouldn't you be representing Disney then since George Lucas no longer owns the rights to the plot or characters of the Star Wars universe since he sold them to Disney earlier this year?

lacktheknack:

OT: What WOULD it take to get copywrite rewritten for a modern context?

Well a start would be that the government in the US would have to favor the consumer over the corporations in court rulings...but the chances of that happening are about as likely as Obama winning a third Presidential term.
So we must go on another alternative, pixie dust lots and lots of pixie dust and wishing. XD

Leave it to Youtube to launch a system that makes OBAMACARE look competent when it was released.

OOOH! BURN!

Seriously though, this whole thing is a joke and a half. This was all in the guise of... what? Trying to protect artists from pirates? Well, this INDMUSIC is a pirate... company. Youtube would rather support a pirate with an LTD after the name than any single non-company content provider.

MiracleOfSound:
Snip

... Hey man, I know you're going through a lot because of the IP system being completely broken- but if there's anything we can possibly do to help, please let us know. When Angry Joe got hit, it tore me to see him struggling with words to describe how this was hurting him too. I also am deeply worried for people who're big time let's players or song writers that may get hit with this nonsense. You have our support man...

OT: Yea, this whole policy is getting personal. I read more up on it- turns out if you have a song or footage from another source regardless if the other 99% of your video is your own work... that if the song or footage goes on for more then 5 seconds, you will get a copyright claim. But, this is baffling because I have seen videos with NO outside sources or extra songs/footage stored in and they still get hammered with the IP's system policy.

It's sick, and disgusting. I cannot believe the number of times I heard people trying to contact Youtube or Google's offices only to get like no responses at all. This feels like, some sort of wicked joke with greed behind it. I bet the Youtube techs can easily remove this problem or sort it out, but they haven't done anything. It's gone on for to long now... I want to find another website that shows videos- that's how bad it's getting in my eyes.

Well, all this proves is that Youtube was so quick to bend to big media that they didn't even care who they were hurting or why they were bending. New, old, it's a broken system.

...So, he sued... himself, without knowing it?

This is both the funniest and dumbest thing I've read today. And I'm perfectly ok with that.

captcha: North Carolina... the captcha's trying to tell me something...

So, can we just have people hired to do the copyright claims, instead of bots? I mean, come on, this is a major problem and I think the best way to go about this is to not piss people off. Yay!

The most funniest thing - Even if every lets player and guys who are getting flagged about copyright would be banned from Google, they all STILL would whine about it, like a bunch of spoiled children.

If you don't like it - move from there/don't use it. There's you're "ultimate" solution. Kinda getting tired from this *waaa, mean evil YouTube steals mah money, waaaaa*

Don't like new YouTube? Then don't use it, Jesus Crist - there are tons of other services all over the world.

P.S And if someone decides to comment on *There's no monetising on other services, bla-bla-bla*: You can't. Justify. Laziness. At all. Everyone who's doing that should be ashamed of themselfs

I was already super pissed about this but this... ARE U KIDDING ME YOUTUBE FIX YOUR BROKEN POS SYSTEM

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