"Rape Game" On Amazon Triggers Anger, Outrage

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A lot of Japanese people seem to have suppressed sexual urges and a desire for domination of the opposite sex.

I dare say it's the Japanese culture, seemingly focused on efficiency and loyalty to "your group", it leaves very little in the way of excitement.
A sexually deviancy is both a business opportunity and something that needs to be occupied so that it isn't taken out on real people.

You can't expect people in such a shame bound society to seek help for something that is "bad", so the next best thing? Make a profit on it and don't talk about it in public.

Its a game, I don't care what's in it, but the nanny states of Europe are out to ban anything unpleasant, and thanks to 'extreme porn is illegal in the UK', a video game, like cartoons can get you thrown in jail there, which is sadly hilarious.

I'm glad, at least for the moment, you can have any crazy video game some twisted japanese developer can come up with here in the US and not have to worry about going to jail for something that isn't real.

people who can't seperate fiction from reality are more screwed up in the head than the people who make the video games, because really, if games MADE you do things, Japan would be the rape and kid-rape capital of the world, and there'd be hundreds of thousands of mass murderers pf those that played GTA.

also, how can some of you find this game offensive and agree with it's censorship, but beating a hooker with a baseball bat to get your money back in a game or "Hostel" type torture porn movies are alright as long as "it doesn't get in the hands of young kids"? Violence is violence, hypocrisy just makes you rationalize it so the objectionable material others entertain themselves with looks worse than what YOU entertain yourself with.

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...and yet, they don't give a fuck about other media such as movies or advertisements with the same content.

Gormourn:
Who gives a shit?

It certainly is no worse then GTA morally.

Not to pick a fight, but, uh, hell yeah it's worse than GTA.

I_LIKE_CAKE:

Gormourn:
Who gives a shit?

It certainly is no worse then GTA morally.

Not to pick a fight, but, uh, hell yeah it's worse than GTA.

Most certainly! I mean, in that game you rape people, but in GTA you beat people to death with baseball bats, murder thousands if not millions of police, fire rocket launchers at civilians and mow down countless innocents.

Clearly, the rape game is more morally objectionable...

so wait a second you get to rape under age girls? wow i would really like to see how far they would get before they got arrested if they tried this in america

edit: ok i thought about this for a little bit aftet reading this:what is with Japan and its weird ass fetish for anime porn? i mean they say Americas teenagers have sex to much but then you got this i mean what the fuck? i dont see how you can say "o ya i can see likeing anime porn" whatever if its what they like

P.S.: yes me and my friend were players in school

Booze Zombie:

I_LIKE_CAKE:

Gormourn:
Who gives a shit?

It certainly is no worse then GTA morally.

Not to pick a fight, but, uh, hell yeah it's worse than GTA.

Most certainly! I mean, in that game you rape people, but in GTA you beat people to death with baseball bats, murder thousands if not millions of police, fire rocket launchers at civilians and mow down countless innocents.

Clearly, the rape game is more morally objectionable...

Yes, clearly, I am glad you agree that a game whose gameplay revolves around forcing women to sex with the main character is indeed far more morally objectionable than a game which mixes a deep and thought provoking plot with cartoonish violence that is impossible to take seriously.

I_LIKE_CAKE:
Yes, clearly, I am glad you agree that a game whose gameplay revolves around forcing women to sex with the main character is indeed far more morally objectionable than a game which mixes a deep and thought provoking plot with cartoonish violence that is impossible to take seriously.

Point is, if you look at games like they're real... what's worse? Raping 3 people or murdering millions?

They're games, Freudian sexuality issues or compensating for boring normality with violence, both are reprehensible... if they actually happened. They didn't.

I_LIKE_CAKE:

Booze Zombie:

I_LIKE_CAKE:

Gormourn:
Who gives a shit?

It certainly is no worse then GTA morally.

Not to pick a fight, but, uh, hell yeah it's worse than GTA.

Most certainly! I mean, in that game you rape people, but in GTA you beat people to death with baseball bats, murder thousands if not millions of police, fire rocket launchers at civilians and mow down countless innocents.

Clearly, the rape game is more morally objectionable...

Yes, clearly, I am glad you agree that a game whose gameplay revolves around forcing women to sex with the main character is indeed far more morally objectionable than a game which mixes a deep and thought provoking plot with cartoonish violence that is impossible to take seriously.

I'll say it again since some seemed to have missed it; Violence is violence, hypocrisy just makes you rationalize it so the objectionable material others entertain themselves with looks worse than what YOU entertain yourself with. You sound like the parents that were outraged over 'Hot Coffee'.

So if the game had a deep story, it'd be ok to simulate rape violence? thats the hypocritical rationalization I was talking about. Hostel didn't have a story, it was just a setup to make torture and shock the focus of the film, should people go to jail for watching and buying the dvd for it?

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Brokkr:
I'm not too surprised to see something like this coming out of Japan.

Me either

CaptainREBell:
...Because rape is SO much more worse than genocide *sarcasm*.
Seriously, why banning rape but not genocide games?
Maybe we can start taking the government more seriously when they stop bickering on wikipedia. Or stop being hypocrites.

Rape happens more often than genocide would be my guess. And you can unfortunately get away with rape. Kill a few thousand people of a certain minority (or majority) and you're gunna get caught. Rape would be more easily influenced.

I'm a pretty big fan of free speech in all its forms but

RapeLay Review:
"She looks about ten and you get to rape her in her gigantic bed while teddy bears look on. This was certainly the most disconcerting of the rapes in the game. Not only does she look like a child, not only does her room looks like a child's room, but Manaka visibly cries. If you zoom in on her face you can see tears welling and vibrating in her gigantic eye sockets."

I don't think anyone needs to see that.

Cousin_IT:
Keith Vaz is a joke. & Japan is Japan. No1 understands either & they dont understand eachother :)

This man speaks the truth.

Also 'lol japan?!'

Notice how you don't see them trying to release these games outside of Japan? I would also love to know why a British politician's opinion should matter when this product was never meant to be sold outside of the country of origin. If you think westeners don't have simillar types of rape fantasies just surf a few porn sites and read the captions for videos and you will see how wrong you are. I bet I could write a book from the point of view of a rapist and no one would flinch.

Really when you think about it and discard all of this useless moral pontificating the rape fetish is not very different from more "mainstream" domination fetishes. Plenty of normal people find someone to play that type of "game" with them every day and no one else suffers for it.

Armitage Shanks:
I'm a pretty big fan of free speech in all its forms but

RapeLay Review:
"She looks about ten and you get to rape her in her gigantic bed while teddy bears look on. This was certainly the most disconcerting of the rapes in the game. Not only does she look like a child, not only does her room looks like a child's room, but Manaka visibly cries. If you zoom in on her face you can see tears welling and vibrating in her gigantic eye sockets."

I don't think anyone needs to see that.

Yes, to me that's more the problem with this game, than any amount of 'rape fantasy' stuff, if they had not included what's obviously meant to be a young kid in the game , I wouldn't have a problem with it. I still don't think it should be released outside Japan, where the culture is more accepting of these types of porn game, and that's what it is, let's stop the arguments about it being a regular game, most people are not playing this game with both hands.

After all, if you've ever seen any of those lists of popular female sexual fantasies, 'rape fantasy' is quite high up there, of course no woman wants to be raped, but in a fantasy situation with the right guy, there's no harm done in fantasy and roleplay. I don't pretend to understand all fetishes and fantasies but so long as both sides are happy and not doing anything to upset the neighbours by doing it in the garden, where's the problem?

Now it appears I'm counter-arguing myself here, 'so why can't they make a fantasy game about raping kids?' I'd argue that child pornography is illegal just about everywhere, and should be, and certainly people should not be profiting from this stuff, even if there's a market for it. I just don't see a reason for sexualising children, and yes I find the beauty pageants in the US creepy too.

Also, as for rape in other mediums, look at say, 'The Accused' with Jodie Foster, and then look at this game, they deal with rape in very different ways. It's like if I wrote a book about a guy who went round raping women every day and logging how much he enjoyed it and noted all the intimate details. Rape can be covered in any media, if it's approached in the right way, just like death can be three seconds of GTA footage, or a half hour cut scene in a JRPG. It exists in most artistic mediums but it is not glorified like in Rapelay.

CantFaketheFunk:
... Japan never ceases to amaze.

And confuse.

EDIT: I have a theory on why the Japanese have things like this that seem so weird. They were de-militarized after WW2, right? Maybe it's pent up aggression coming out in weird ways. I dunno, maybe I'm just xenophobic like everyone else.

Also rape just is less socially acceptable than violence, even basic sexuality scares a lot of people more than just gratuitous evisceration, just look at Mass Effect, shoot a thousand people, fine, 2 seconds of female alien butt and its all 'Next on FOX news: Killer pervert video games tries to brainwash your children into becoming sex offenders.'

Having said that, didn't Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy pass by almost unnoticed? Despite having a full interactive sex scene?

I think when it comes down to it, in most people, shooting someone in a videogame, doesn't trigger the mental processes to want to kill IRL, however, a porn game, such as this one based around rape, is designed to arouse and stimulate, not to just 'entertain'.

When it comes down to it, we've always been shooting targets, whether its a space invader or a Fallout3 'super mutant', its a test of skill and reactions.

The violent version of Rapelay would be where you had a helpless victim tied to a bed and you had an array of tools with which to slowly torture them to death. No skill involved, just constant titillation of the baser instincts. 'Oh cool, I can snip their toes off with pliers then blowtorch the stumps to stop the bleeding.' In fact, come to think of it, there's probably more gameplay involved, as you'd have to try to keep em alive. Also, I'm thinking I'm giving game designers ideas, so I'll stop now.

That's an area Manhunt dabbled with, in its choosing to use various deaths as 'entertainment' but in the majority I don't feel we really revel in the causing of death quite like a porn game revels in sex.

Games and movies like that have been around for some time. Rapelay is just the tip of the iceberg.

Now it appears I'm counter-arguing myself here, 'so why can't they make a fantasy game about raping kids?' I'd argue that child pornography is illegal just about everywhere, and should be, and certainly people should not be profiting from this stuff, even if there's a market for it. I just don't see a reason for sexualising children, and yes I find the beauty pageants in the US creepy too.

Child pornography is illegal because it exploits children. Legally, I'm pretty sure child porn that is obviously fake children has been alright in America since 2003.

I think when it comes down to it, in most people, shooting someone in a videogame, doesn't trigger the mental processes to want to kill IRL, however, a porn game, such as this one based around rape, is designed to arouse and stimulate, not to just 'entertain'.

Fair enough. But since no one who buys that game doesn't already want to rape people (even if they wouldn't do anything more than BDSM and finds actual rapists to be complete and utter assholes) it's different.

I don't think anyone needs to see that.

Yea, but someone probably wants to, and maybe if they couldn't get their rocks off through this they're gonna use a real 10 year old.

Also rape just is less socially acceptable than violence, even basic sexuality scares a lot of people more than just gratuitous evisceratio

Which is why society is retarded.

I wouldn't have a problem with it. I still don't think it should be released outside Japan, where the culture is more accepting of these types of porn game, and that's what it is, let's stop the arguments about it being a regular game, most people are not playing this game with both hands.

I don't want it released outside of japan, unless imports in porn shops, or the back of a game store count . Simply because, I'd rather either it stay there or the soccermoms not know about it until the industry in America expands a bit so they could atleast hire a good lawyer. I agree it's not a regular game, it's technically a game but only that.

If you think westeners don't have simillar types of rape fantasies just surf a few porn sites and read the captions for videos and you will see how wrong you are. I

Yes! Thank you!!

I used to have a good opinion about Japanese people....

Nurb:
[quote="I_LIKE_CAKE" post="7.87853.1340241"][quote="Booze Zombie" post="7.87853.1340189"][quote="I_LIKE_CAKE" post="7.87853.1340172"][quote="Gormourn" post="7.87853.1331548"]Who gives a shit?

I'll say it again since some seemed to have missed it; Violence is violence, hypocrisy just makes you rationalize it so the objectionable material others entertain themselves with looks worse than what YOU entertain yourself with. You sound like the parents that were outraged over 'Hot Coffee'.

So if the game had a deep story, it'd be ok to simulate rape violence? thats the hypocritical rationalization I was talking about. Hostel didn't have a story, it was just a setup to make torture and shock the focus of the film, should people go to jail for watching and buying the dvd for it?

Alright, I don't see why we are arguing. In no way, shape, or form did I say anything about sending anyone to jail, and while I did say that I find the concept of the game repulsive,I did not advocate any sort of ban,so refrain from comparing me ignorant moral crusaders. I apologize if having nuance appears as hypocrisy, but morality isn't black and white. You offer a false dichotomy when you imply that someone is either fighting the good fight for freedom of speech, or intent on banning everything except the Bible. Just because you can do something, in no way implies that you should. I advocate the right to make and buy such a game, I just wish that no one would exercise that particular right. I suppose that it sounds like I am trying to have it both ways, having my cake and eating it too, if you will, but there's that pesky nuance thing for you. Just stating my opinion and I'm not trying to force it on anyone, simply adding my 2 cents worth to the discussion.

Silly Japan

I_LIKE_CAKE:

Booze Zombie:

I_LIKE_CAKE:

Gormourn:
Who gives a shit?

It certainly is no worse then GTA morally.

Not to pick a fight, but, uh, hell yeah it's worse than GTA.

Most certainly! I mean, in that game you rape people, but in GTA you beat people to death with baseball bats, murder thousands if not millions of police, fire rocket launchers at civilians and mow down countless innocents.

Clearly, the rape game is more morally objectionable...

Yes, clearly, I am glad you agree that a game whose gameplay revolves around forcing women to sex with the main character is indeed far more morally objectionable than a game which mixes a deep and thought provoking plot with cartoonish violence that is impossible to take seriously.

That doesn't make it non-genocidal. Also, the violence isn't that cartoonish in GTA4, infact as far as going on random killing sprees goes (everyone does killing sprees in GTA!! Don't say it's a choice, it might as well not be if everyone does the same thing) I say it's realistic enough where yes killing a million people is worse than a rape.

Only in Japan...

mike1921:

I don't think anyone needs to see that.

Yea, but someone probably wants to, and maybe if they couldn't get their rocks off through this they're gonna use a real 10 year old.

Uh huh. I wanna walk around without any pants on. Does it mean I need to?

The fact is, real or not, by simulating child porn, especially so graphically, you're making it seem more acceptable.

And please, don't even try and argue that there is a time and place for child pornography. Rape simulations and fantasy, maybe, if you're really into that stuff and its handled kind of appropriately, maybe. But pedophile simulations, just no.

Thanks for actually responding. I was feeling like I just got an unsatisfying victory since no one was responding. I'd much rather have someone who argues against me.

Uh huh. I wanna walk around without any pants on. Does it mean I need to?

Fine, either I shouldn't of said wants or the other person shouldn't of said needs, or maybe I should've explained a little more.

The fact is, real or not, by simulating child porn, especially so graphically, you're making it seem more acceptable.

I don't think it's acceptable. I think it's disgusting but because it's not real my whole entire view of life would be hypocritical for me to have if I didn't fully support someone's rights to see it and some sick bastard's rights to produce it and market it through any stores who want to market it.

And please, don't even try and argue that there is a time and place for child pornography. Rape simulations and fantasy, maybe, if you're really into that stuff and its handled kind of appropriately, maybe. But pedophile simulations, just no

While I just wish there were no pedophiles, and no one would want this kind of porn, I don't see why a simulation should ever be seen as wrong . What makes pedophiles different? Yes I think RL they're worse (or atleast the kind of pedo you are in this game, a pre-pubescent child rapist. Not a wishy washy 22 year old and a 16 year old which I'm debating internally that it isn't immoral let alone horrible). Same concepts still apply, you're not hurting anyone by jerking off to this game. Some (or me atleast) think it'll stop actual child rapists.

You know, a good deal of you are forgetting one little thing as you make your blurbs and remarks about a topic that you feel very qualified to discuss (games). You are (generally, not all) men and therefore (usually) know little about or (again, generally) have little to fear from rape. Some of you admit to knowing a female that was sexually assualted or raped. However, that doesn't qualify you in the least to make comments like, "So what? It's less brutal than Manhunt."

You are not a credible source. ^_^

First things first, many of you have said things like, "But women like rape!" which confuses actual rape with rape fantasies or fetishes, which are two different things. Rape fetishes are about sex. Rape is about power. Sometimes, the agressor doesn't even have to remove any clothing in order to violate the victim, especially if the victim is female. A baseball bat, broom, hairbrush, or gun barrel all have the basic shape necessary. Rape isn't about getting your rocks off watching the victim cry, it's about watching the victim crying and being traumatized while the agressor revels in the feeling of superiority. Orgasm isn't the point of rape; it can be a nice side-effect for the agressor but it's not the point.

Rape also has the unpleasant side-effect for the victim of leaving you alive to deal with all the trauma, physical and psychological. At least if you were killed, you're dead and don't have to worry about it anymore. It's a form of torture. So saying that torture is worse than rape is a falsehood because the two are the same. Rape is psychological torture on top of physical violation.

Next we have the argument that genocide is worse than rape. Well, yeah, duh. Some of the previous counter-arguments were well made though, so to restate; genocide is a less likely crime for the average human being than rape. Rape is more personal on an individual and societal scale for the types of people reading and writing in this forum. It doesn't make it "worse," but does the severity of the crime make it any less a crime? It's just as wrong to rape someone as it is to maim or kill them, or steal their stuff, or spread horrible rumors about them. As a society we have "rated" or crimes on a scale of severity so as to not have to deal out the death penalty for stolen packs of gum. An effect of this is that we have a mindset that we can do bad things so long as we are willing to live with the penalty. Paying a $75 fine for speeding is something we can live with. How many of us would speed if the penalty was the loss of your foot? Genocide IS worse than rape on the rating system we have devised as a society. But it's still wrong.

Now for the big one: It's just a game. Yep, it is. We make movies and books way worse than this; why are we getting all up-in-arms about it? Because the world as a whole still is of the mindset that "video games are for children." By making a video game about an adult topic, the way other people see it, we have made the game for little Johnny. It's a big deal because, "It's a video game, and video games are for kids!" Now, we here at the Escapist all know better. GTA isn't for children. Manhunt isn't for children. Hostel and Saw weren't for children. And Felicity's Fellating Female Friends isn't for children either. Rapelay wasn't designed for children. The fact that it came from Japan and whose brainchild it was is moot. Marketing needs to stop advertising for things it's not supposed to (adult/mature video games) when and where it's not supposed to and parents need to be just as informed about adult video games as they are about adult movies. Then, maybe, we can all calm down here in gaming territory.

The last bit has to do with the child porn issue. It's wrong, and bad; children can't protect themselves the way an adult can and I think we all agree that it's just plain not acceptable. Now... /sigh Simulations do not stop people with actual mental problems in the same way that simulations do not really prepare soldiers for the reality or war. Simulations make you more likely to behave in a certain way in certain conditions; it's called "conditioning." And shooter-style games actually DO condition us to make us more likely to pull the trigger in the same type of stressful situations. Operating a controller or keyboard is nowhere near the same as operating a pistol or shotgun, even a child could tell you that, but the type of stress felt when one has a gun, real or simulated, in their hand and is being pressured to do something in response to outside agression IS similar. This is the only reason why the argument that video games turn children into killers holds water. Conditioning works. Japan doesn't have a low incidence of violent crime becaue they have hentai. That's ridiculous. Japan has a low incidence of violent crime mostly because the have a mostly homogenous make up of citizenry in a small area. There are so many factors in play that hentai isn't a big enough factor to make a viable difference without the others. If you want to stop pedophiles, hook them up to an electric shock that goes off when they're shown pictures of children. That'll put a stop to it real fast. Unless they like pain, too. D:

This is an adult video game that features rape-fetish in a hentai/anime-style format. It's new (yes I know it's been out a few years but when you first hear about it, it's new to you) and therefore shocking. It's awful in the same way that Clock Tower was awful. Bad Amazon for not being more careful. Bad people with stupid heads that think we don't know better. But let's face the reality of things; as long as we live in a society that promotes freedom of expression, there will always be a market for these things. It is up to you to discern what you want and don't want for yourself and or any kiddos you might wanna make and to help instill the morals that you want them to have.

You cant blame japan. A game is a game no matter how crass it is. I think that this is a good scape goat for video game violence/ video games influncing crimes.

I would be willing to bet my life as a gamer( and my life in general) That there will be multiple sources on the internet that will has downloads of this game. Now That american gamers KNOW this game exsist, We are going to work like hell to get copies of it.

over the reason 'There hasn't been an original game in years' as a excuse to try it.

In other news: I would totally try this game, There hasn't been an original game in years!

Yes, That was a joke. Jokes seem to be the only thing that in MAJORLY interpreted the same way by multiple people. Unlike this topic, which only very few people can understand correctly, and not based off of assumptions or weak excuses.

Arcadia2000:
You know, a good deal of you are forgetting one little thing as you make your blurbs and remarks about a topic that you feel very qualified to discuss (games). You are (generally, not all) men and therefore (usually) know little about or (again, generally) have little to fear from rape. Some of you admit to knowing a female that was sexually assualted or raped. However, that doesn't qualify you in the least to make comments like, "So what? It's less brutal than Manhunt."

You are not a credible source. ^_^

First things first, many of you have said things like, "But women like rape!" which confuses actual rape with rape fantasies or fetishes, which are two different things. Rape fetishes are about sex. Rape is about power. Sometimes, the agressor doesn't even have to remove any clothing in order to violate the victim, especially if the victim is female. A baseball bat, broom, hairbrush, or gun barrel all have the basic shape necessary. Rape isn't about getting your rocks off watching the victim cry, it's about watching the victim crying and being traumatized while the agressor revels in the feeling of superiority. Orgasm isn't the point of rape; it can be a nice side-effect for the agressor but it's not the point.

Rape also has the unpleasant side-effect for the victim of leaving you alive to deal with all the trauma, physical and psychological. At least if you were killed, you're dead and don't have to worry about it anymore. It's a form of torture. So saying that torture is worse than rape is a falsehood because the two are the same. Rape is psychological torture on top of physical violation.

Next we have the argument that genocide is worse than rape. Well, yeah, duh. Some of the previous counter-arguments were well made though, so to restate; genocide is a less likely crime for the average human being than rape. Rape is more personal on an individual and societal scale for the types of people reading and writing in this forum. It doesn't make it "worse," but does the severity of the crime make it any less a crime? It's just as wrong to rape someone as it is to maim or kill them, or steal their stuff, or spread horrible rumors about them. As a society we have "rated" or crimes on a scale of severity so as to not have to deal out the death penalty for stolen packs of gum. An effect of this is that we have a mindset that we can do bad things so long as we are willing to live with the penalty. Paying a $75 fine for speeding is something we can live with. How many of us would speed if the penalty was the loss of your foot? Genocide IS worse than rape on the rating system we have devised as a society. But it's still wrong.

Now for the big one: It's just a game. Yep, it is. We make movies and books way worse than this; why are we getting all up-in-arms about it? Because the world as a whole still is of the mindset that "video games are for children." By making a video game about an adult topic, the way other people see it, we have made the game for little Johnny. It's a big deal because, "It's a video game, and video games are for kids!" Now, we here at the Escapist all know better. GTA isn't for children. Manhunt isn't for children. Hostel and Saw weren't for children. And Felicity's Fellating Female Friends isn't for children either. Rapelay wasn't designed for children. The fact that it came from Japan and whose brainchild it was is moot. Marketing needs to stop advertising for things it's not supposed to (adult/mature video games) when and where it's not supposed to and parents need to be just as informed about adult video games as they are about adult movies. Then, maybe, we can all calm down here in gaming territory.

The last bit has to do with the child porn issue. It's wrong, and bad; children can't protect themselves the way an adult can and I think we all agree that it's just plain not acceptable. Now... /sigh Simulations do not stop people with actual mental problems in the same way that simulations do not really prepare soldiers for the reality or war. Simulations make you more likely to behave in a certain way in certain conditions; it's called "conditioning." And shooter-style games actually DO condition us to make us more likely to pull the trigger in the same type of stressful situations. Operating a controller or keyboard is nowhere near the same as operating a pistol or shotgun, even a child could tell you that, but the type of stress felt when one has a gun, real or simulated, in their hand and is being pressured to do something in response to outside agression IS similar. This is the only reason why the argument that video games turn children into killers holds water. Conditioning works. Japan doesn't have a low incidence of violent crime becaue they have hentai. That's ridiculous. Japan has a low incidence of violent crime mostly because the have a mostly homogenous make up of citizenry in a small area. There are so many factors in play that hentai isn't a big enough factor to make a viable difference without the others. If you want to stop pedophiles, hook them up to an electric shock that goes off when they're shown pictures of children. That'll put a stop to it real fast. Unless they like pain, too. D:

This is an adult video game that features rape-fetish in a hentai/anime-style format. It's new (yes I know it's been out a few years but when you first hear about it, it's new to you) and therefore shocking. It's awful in the same way that Clock Tower was awful. Bad Amazon for not being more careful. Bad people with stupid heads that think we don't know better. But let's face the reality of things; as long as we live in a society that promotes freedom of expression, there will always be a market for these things. It is up to you to discern what you want and don't want for yourself and or any kiddos you might wanna make and to help instill the morals that you want them to have.

Everything that you have said I agree with. You have proven the facts in a very intelligent manner, Supported your views, and Corrected the misguided interpretation of the community.

I applaud you in that matter, But the sad truth is: The Community of people will never be able to interpret matters the same way, or as clearly as your view point(Which I entirely believe in and share).

cball11:
Silly Japan..

"Sex is not for kids!"

Can all the males here honestly say they have never had the desire to rape a hot chick? If you think you haven't I'm pretty sure you've either forced yourself to forget about it, or convinced yourself otherwise because everyone around you has done the same thing, or you're gay. And if you are gay, you've probably thought about tying up some boy you liked in class and...(ok, that's the line). It doesn't matter what you want to do, what matters is what you actually do. The most important thing is what you would do if the police disappeared and order came to an end. If you saw a good looking woman would you rape her? Would you want to rape her? Of course you would. She's helpless and hot. Anyone under thirty would have that thought. What matters is self discipline, not fantasies. Everyone who plays a game is acting out a fantasy. It seems that in Japan, they don't discriminate against people with certain sexual fantasies. Anyone who has played a violent videogame clearly doesn't have any aversion to the fantasy of killing huge numbers of people, but that doesn't mean they would kill huge numbers of people in real life. If they would, they should have been in a more structured, and disciplined environment as a child. Oh what the hell, they're one of the retard babies the working class has been pumping out by the truckload, and need to be put on the government depopulation list. The same goes for someone who would actually act out any other criminal fantasy in real life. What ultimately matters is the amount of discipline and responsibility the individual has. We are all (as males, pretty much most of us) born as dogs, savages. We will all inherently want to be accepted and beat up people we don't like. We will all inherently do what the popular dog says and go with the crowd. We will all inherently want to destroy that which we don't like. We will all inherently want to make others feel pain at our hands because it will make us feel big and powerful. We all want to make anyone who is weaker than us recoil in fear when we get near, to affirm our power over them. We all want to show our power to woman by defeating other males in front of them. We all want to beat up another man and have sex with his woman. And yes, I declared that a woman is a man's property. That's how we are born thinking. It is only in the last couple centuries that we have advanced beyond such thoughts. Well, we haven't really, but officially we have. Maybe you guys have lived in some kind of institute for geniuses, but I have seen the Forces of Chaos, I know how they think. The only reason they don't rape or beat preppy kids to death is because they would get in trouble. If that weren't there they would lynch anyone they don't like, rape everyone woman they see, and generally have a good time in the same way a parasite has a good time. I am offended that people would consider ME evil for having the desire to rape a woman. I have been in the belly of the beast, I have walked with the people who would lynch black people, enjoy their screams of pain, and would act upon their inherent desires without a thought. We are all born like that. The level of evil one is depends on how much they have mentally grown. Let me make something clear: the desire to do evil does not make one evil, the act of evil is evil. You're living in a pretty small part of the world if you think the desire to rape is "sick." Two thirds of North American men say that they would rape a woman if they could get away with it. You are in the minority. Or are you? That poll was probably anonymous. I can truthfully say that while I would without a doubt want to rape a woman, I would NOT if I could get away with it. I am in the minority, and proud of it.

Games like this should not exist, rape is a horrible crime.

I know a lot of people will try to jump to the defense of a game, but maybe coming together and setting a bar for ourselves is a good. If a video of someone being raped where released for profit, plenty of activists would be against the issue and boycott said product "which I would not be against". So if the same does not hold true for a video game, then we stunt ourselves, I can understand the hate against the VAZ guy, but in this case his concern is legitimate, and should be respected, if we in turn want to be treated with respect.

The best thing to do about this game.... Is to ignore it. As I mentioned in a previous post, the game was not built for anyone outside Japan, and is most likely an underground game bought by a rather limited audience. The fact that it wound up on Amazon is most likely due to coincidence.

So yeah, while the game's content is objectionable, it's not exactly anything new... I recall seeing a Law and Order episode a while back about rape fetish tapes, so this whole deal isn't news to us. It's just being dug up by a man with an agenda.

Radelaide:

CaptainREBell:
...Because rape is SO much more worse than genocide *sarcasm*.
Seriously, why banning rape but not genocide games?
Maybe we can start taking the government more seriously when they stop bickering on wikipedia. Or stop being hypocrites.

Rape happens more often than genocide would be my guess. And you can unfortunately get away with rape. Kill a few thousand people of a certain minority (or majority) and you're gunna get caught. Rape would be more easily influenced.

Unfortunately this isn't always the case... I mean, look at Saddam! He committed genocide against some bunch of people (don't remember), and got away with it until the US came in to grab him for something else.

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