Report: Zelda: Twilight Princess HD Will Have "Amiibo Exclusive" New Dungeon

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Samtemdo8:

Casual Shinji:
Create limited DLC in the shape of a cute toy and people won't hate you for it, cuz look, a cute toy.

Nintendo truly is the only company that's still all about games... and bullshit DLC. And worse yet, people are celebrating this practice, showing off their dumb amiibo collections.

Can you really blame Nintendo for following what is now the market standard?

Of course you can. That's like asking if you can blame anybody for anything, because other people. Don't pretend like they have no agency over what they do and they don't do. Or that all the good stuff is on them, and all the shit is somebody else's fault.

Samtemdo8:

JimB:

Samtemdo8:
Can you really blame Nintendo for following what is now the market standard?

Yup. If all your friends jumped off a bridge, I could still blame you for following the trend.

People have been asking of Nintendo to get into online gaming and people buy all these Amiibos in the 100s. And look at the success of Splatoon.

I don't care. Nothing about the people around you being stupid robs you of your inherent self-determination. You are responsible for the things you choose to do; and to the degree that we can pretend Nintendo is a singular entity, so is Nintendo responsible for its choices.

While not quite on the same level, does anyone else remember 4 sword dungeon from the GBA port of A Link to the Past? I never got to play it, as I had no friends with GBAs and copies of the game, nor was I going to pick a second system and copy to unlock it. Nintendo's been going full-on stupid for awhile now. Pokken Tournament just got announced being 30fps (which is not optimal for fighters) unless you system-link it with another Wii U to make it 60.

Foolery:
While not quite on the same level, does anyone else remember 4 sword dungeon from the GBA port of A Link to the Past? I never got to play it, as I had no friends with GBAs and copies of the game, nor was I going to pick a second system and copy to unlock it. Nintendo's been going full-on stupid for awhile now. Pokken Tournament just got announced being 30fps (which is not optimal for fighters) unless you system-link it with another Wii U to make it 60.

Yep, some of their experimenting and innovations should have been changed or a work around added when they left handheld-loving Japan for markets with weaker handheld presence. Same thing for some of their other practices that really only work well in their home country (and maybe a handful of others).

I remember Four Swords (existing. I couldn't play it either for the same reason). I also remember Four Swords Adventure for the Gamecube, which I could not play with my Zelda loving friends either since, again, they didn't have a GBA and the (pricey for what is is) link cable. It even rubbed off on Square as well, with Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles. At least you could solo those two titles with a GC controller, though. The earlier Pokemon versions could be a considered an example as well for some rural players, but it was so blindingly popular that city kids probably didn't have an issue finding a fellow trainer.

To be fair the the local multiplayer in Pokken Tournament, I think many multiplayer Wii U games cut the frame rate or graphical detail when the gamepad is used as a second screen. They were at least kind enough to offer LAN linking, in this new age where PSN/Xbox Live connections are required for "LAN" games.

But I agree, they have been doing a lot of stupid stuff. I'd say as far back as during the N64's development.

Casual Shinji:

EyeReaper:

Casual Shinji:
Create limited DLC in the shape of a cute toy and people won't hate you for it, cuz look, a cute toy.

Nintendo truly is the only company that's still all about games... and bullshit DLC. And worse yet, people are celebrating this practice, showing off their dumb amiibo collections.

I really don't get the amiibo hate. Maybe it's because I see them as figurines first and Dlc second. I mean, hell, I've spent three times as much for figures about the same size that didn't unlock any bonus content for Persona.

Besides that, The amiibo were always on-disc dlc from day one. from stupid costumes in Mario Kart to better(?) AI controlled enemies in Smash bros. It's nothing new. Doesn't excuse it, sure, and I can see why some people are a bit miffed, but it's not like it's a shocking swerve no one saw coming. Wolf Link would've had to do something to the game.

People want their plastic figurines... Fine. The DLC can be seen as a nice bonus in physical form. But don't gate it off from everyone else who can't get a hold of one. Just allow people to download it, however insignificant it may be. If it is just all about the figurines, what's the harm in putting that same DLC on sale in the eShop?

And no matter how unsurprising this particular amiibo DLC may be, it doesn't deserve any less ire.

I don't think it'll be too hard to get a hold of one. Physical copies of the game come shipped with one, and every other time a game came with a packaged amiibo, they released it separately as a single fig. later down the line.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, however. They really should have the option of unlocking the content some other way. Was hoping they'd catch on after Mario Maker did it perfectly.

But, needing only one amiibo to unlock all the bonus content? Helluva lot better than the Skylander model, where you've usually needed around eight, sometimes more, sometimes less (generally priced more than amiibos, too) to get the full experience of the game, along with charging extra for the accessory to use your figures in game(which is also mandatory) Not saying that gets Ninty off the hook, but they're definitely the lesser money grub.

JimB:

Samtemdo8:

JimB:

Yup. If all your friends jumped off a bridge, I could still blame you for following the trend.

People have been asking of Nintendo to get into online gaming and people buy all these Amiibos in the 100s. And look at the success of Splatoon.

I don't care. Nothing about the people around you being stupid robs you of your inherent self-determination. You are responsible for the things you choose to do; and to the degree that we can pretend Nintendo is a singular entity, so is Nintendo responsible for its choices.

So you don't care. You don't like this practice. You are calling people stupid for buying this.

Should Nintendo change its practices for you and you alone?

I don't own a Wii-U but want to and I have no intention of buying Amiibo but Nintendo so far is making me compromise with this one Amiibo for Twilight Princess HD and Twilight Princess is my absolute favorite Zelda game.

Besides I am certain Nintendo will offer digital versions of this DLC later once the Amiibo thing becomes irrelevent.

Samtemdo8:
So you don't care.

Correct.

Samtemdo8:
You don't like this practice.

Also correct.

Samtemdo8:
You are calling people stupid for buying this.

Not directly; buying things, on its own, is fine. They're stupid for contributing to a collector's culture that is incentivizing Nintendo to continue to deliberately underproduce in order to artificially create scarcity, because that puts Nintendo into a deliberately adversarial relationship with its customers.

Samtemdo8:
Should Nintendo change its practices for you and you alone?

No, it should change to do the right thing by all its customers.

Samtemdo8:
I am certain Nintendo will offer digital versions of this DLC later once the Amiibo thing becomes irrelevant.

And I'm certain that will be a tremendous comfort to all of Nintendo's customers who just want to own a nice little wolf-Link fig but can't get one because Nintendo thinks it's funny to not make enough for demand.

JimB:

Samtemdo8:
So you don't care.

Correct.

Samtemdo8:
You don't like this practice.

Also correct.

Samtemdo8:
You are calling people stupid for buying this.

Not directly; buying things, on its own, is fine. They're stupid for contributing to a collector's culture that is incentivizing Nintendo to continue to deliberately underproduce in order to artificially create scarcity, because that puts Nintendo into a deliberately adversarial relationship with its customers.

Samtemdo8:
Should Nintendo change its practices for you and you alone?

No, it should change to do the right thing by all its customers.

Samtemdo8:
I am certain Nintendo will offer digital versions of this DLC later once the Amiibo thing becomes irrelevant.

And I'm certain that will be a tremendous comfort to all of Nintendo's customers who just want to own a nice little wolf-Link fig but can't get one because Nintendo thinks it's funny to not make enough for demand.

1. You cannot stop people's hobbies sadly. Online gaming came about because gamers themselves made Online multiplayer mods for certain single player games like Doom and Warcraft. SomeCallMeJohnny has a huge collection of these Amiibos.

2. Do you speak for all consumers? Do all consumers share the same opinion as you? And if there are people that share the same opinion as you is it enough for Nintendo to change its ways?

3. I meant this one speicfic Amiibo that has this "DLC" included. That after it becomes irrelevent Nintendo's sells the DLC in the E-Shop.

Samtemdo8:
You cannot stop people's hobbies sadly.

I never said I can. I also never said I want to, so I have no idea where this is coming from or where you're going with it.

Samtemdo8:
Do you speak for all consumers?

Yes, obviously I do. After all, it is well documented that someone can only hold or express a personal belief if one hundred percent of people agree with it, so since I am expressing my belief, I must therefore possess the authority of the Emperor of Video Gaming. QED.

Samtemdo8:
And if there are people that share the same opinion as you, is it enough for Nintendo to change its ways?

Ask Nintendo. I am not their spokesperson.

Samtemdo8:
I meant this one specific Amiibo that has this "DLC" included.

And I did not. I do not see the value in refusing to discuss the entire system of the Amiibo product, because to me that's like refusing to permit discussion of verifiably innocent people who have been executed by the state while debating whether capital punishment is a good idea.

Samtemdo8:
And if there are people that share the same opinion as you is it enough for Nintendo to change its ways?

Nintendo fans have demonstrated that, as a whole, they are among the worst consumers in a hobby where hyperconsumerism is already a pretty big deal. I'm curious as to what any of this has to do with whether or not bad business practices should be called out. If someone's scratching their ass while cooking breakfast and 99 in 100 people don't mind, is that a good thing?

Since Jim was literally only talking about calling out the bad practices, what does any of this have to do with anything?

weirdee:
actually, it's more like you're sitting in this massive, festering pile of poop, pretending that everything is fine and that this what you're supposed to do when you grow up, and you're celebrating because you see the place across from yours get some poop on it too which lets you feel better about yourself

No, this is pretty much literally what people have been saying about Nintendo for ages, and Nintendo fans have been defending every practice. This is the end result of years and years of people acting as if Nintendo could do no wrong.

Not surprising there are people saying "called it."

Worse, I suspect this will be the Michael Bay principle in action. That is, a significant chunk of the people complaining will buy this anyway. Nintendo's practice will be reinforced and validated, and likely the problem will be made worse. Who knows? Maybe lighting will strike and Nintendo fans will overall reject this. But I think my chances are better of surviving that lightning strike than of a Zelda game performing significantly below expectation.

Which is how they get you. They trot these things out on popular titles so people will literally justify it.

And that Amiibo does look pretty sweet.

I guess you're right. I mean, Nintendo was one of the earliest adopters of DLC practices, so they're the ones to blame for this. That is exactly how that sequence of events occurred.

People over at Nintendo are really into gimmicky crap, aren't they? Also, if this "Amiibo" costs extra (as opposed to being included with the game), that's just plain greedy. So sick of this kind of thing.

Something Amyss:
Since Jim was literally only talking about calling out the bad practices, what does any of this have to do with anything?

Normally, since this is being offered to counter a suggestion that something in the video games industry needs to change, I would assume it's a plutocratic argument; that if a thing was bad, people wouldn't buy it, so we should measure the correctness of a company's actions by its profit margin. In this case, though, I'm just not sure, which is why I went for irony about the Emperor of Video Games. I actually wouldn't mind hearing clarification.

JimB:

Normally, since this is being offered to counter a suggestion that something in the video games industry needs to change, I would assume it's a plutocratic argument; that if a thing was bad, people wouldn't buy it, so we should measure the correctness of a company's actions by its profit margin. In this case, though, I'm just not sure, which is why I went for irony about the Emperor of Video Games. I actually wouldn't mind hearing clarification.

Clearly, then, the best video games are AAA publishers anyway and this whole thing is moot. I welcome our new EA/Activision overlords.

PS: do you have any positions available? Evil advisor, court jester, something that's less malicious and more grimly amusing?

weirdee:
I guess you're right. I mean, Nintendo was one of the earliest adopters of DLC practices, so they're the ones to blame for this. That is exactly how that sequence of events occurred.

When people fail to address anything I say and rather resort to sarcastically attacking strawmen, it says--admittedly, just to me--that my argument is just too solid to respond to. That may not be your intention, but attacking a position I don't hold while writing me off doesn't constitute a strong argument.

Now, if you in any way are unclear on the issues of consumerism that are rife with Nintendo products, I would be happy to work with you and restate. In the meantime, I'm not particularly sure what you set out to accomplish. What you have accomplished, however, is enforcing the idea that there are no cogent arguments which counter mine. I'm going to guess that's not your intent, though.

Sssssssooooo? If it's anything like the Twilight Castle or any OTHER Twilight part of the aforementioned Twilight Princess then it's really not gonna be that great, anyway; the Twilight parts were ironically some of my least favourite because of how limiting it is to be a wolf (not that being a wolf's the part I don't like, I'm just not a fan of the lighting, area designs or combat with the stupid giant twili monsters that you have to kill all of simultaneously).

So if I wanted a game where I play as a canine with a companion and I have to traverse sprawling lands, I'll just play Okami again (yes yes Zero Punctuation made the "Zelda is like Okami" joke before but I noticed this before I knew who Zero Punctuation was). I'm not gonna buy an amiibo wait, I don't even have a Wii U. I'm not gonna buy a Wii U just so I can buy an amiibo just so I can have an extra dungeon that might not even be better than other twilight zones from Twilight Princess.

Laaaaame, Nintendork.

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Oddly enough, I don't care about the dungeon, I just want the amiibo because its cool.

Fuck it. I was on the fence about Twilight Princess anyway, this just gave me the excuse to cancel my pre-order with Amazon. Congratz Nintendo and a hearty fuck you!

Worgen:
Oddly enough, I don't care about the dungeon, I just want the amiibo because its cool.

Admittedly that is a sweet Amiibo.

Apparently info has come out in the latest Famitsu detailing Amiibo functionality. Apparently the Wolf Link one allows you to access something that can get you a 9,999 Rupee wallet. That's it. Huh, not as dramatic as people believed, is it? And of course there's the importing into the next Zelda which is still being kept under wraps. More details are in the link:

http://nintendoeverything.com/famitsu-sheds-light-on-zelda-twilight-princess-hds-amiibo-features/

This kind of sucks but the extent to which this is bad isn't yet clear. This could be another Chibi-Robo kind of deal where it's a non-issue (ie: every copy of the game is bundled with the Wolf amiibo). I don't think that'll be the case but there's always a chance that it will go down like that. After doing a bit of digging though, it looks like that extra dungeon only really unlocks a bigger wallet so...there's that. Not sure if there's an extra boss though which I would hope for but that would be the main attraction for me.

BiH-Kira:

Nintendo did say once that every Amiibo will get a "card" version that you can get for much cheaper.
I wonder what's happening with that. Never heard anything about that.


I believe it was a roaring success.

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