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Ooooh, very good. I can imagine that this'll serve people well in the future.

Lord Krunk:

Excuse my uninformed-ness, but what does BB stand for?

And as for necroing threads, I am not too sure how to say when it's good and when it's bad. Really, I deem it to be good until a month after its connception, but others (like PurpleRain's Quote Thread) tend to survive.

Thanks for the feedback though; I'm glad that these few hours of work wasn't a waste of time on my part.

Ah, it's the tags added onto text, like the small or color things. Flagrant abuse of these is uncommon, but it happened in the past apparently.

And as for the necros, I asked Tendo about it. Apparently it's ok to necro something as long as you have added something significant to the discussion. Still, you might want to stick in a note telling people to avoid it when it comes to news threads. I mean, did we really need to be reminded of Soulja Boy's attempt to make a game about himself?

Also, you need to change the bottom to include (Permanent). Just for the lulz :D

Helpful, but I'm still willing to bet that hardly anybody's going to read it.

CuddlyCombine:
Helpful, but I'm still willing to bet that hardly anybody's going to read it.

i did >.>

sorry user name taken.:

CuddlyCombine:
Helpful, but I'm still willing to bet that hardly anybody's going to read it.

i did >.>

Anyone serious about the forums will (i.e. myself, you). Badge miners and postcounting freaks probably won't, or give it a skim at best.

CuddlyCombine:

sorry user name taken.:

CuddlyCombine:
Helpful, but I'm still willing to bet that hardly anybody's going to read it.

i did >.>

Anyone serious about the forums will (i.e. myself, you). Badge miners and postcounting freaks probably won't, or give it a skim at best.

Good. I hope they don't. It'll make it just that much easier for us to notice them and weed them out. We're not really interested in keeping postcount whores as part of our community.

Susan Arendt:
Good. I hope they don't. It'll make it just that much easier for us to notice them and weed them out. We're not really interested in keeping postcount whores as part of our community.

Meh. The part I find most crucial is that people use the report button instead of posting in doomed threads to ridicule, or posting in duplicate threads to tell people they've already been made...

Your own opinion is only welcome as long as it is a publicly accepted view, or in some cases if it challenges the very system because if all attempts to directly question the rules ppl would realise how controlled they where.

For example if my own personal opinion is that "i hate niggers" then that would be considered offensive (even if i do not put it as my opinion and joust as an example) and i would be probably banned even if i was to put it in velvet words "i do not like black ppl", You are not allowed to discriminate all discrimination is discriminated. This is a basic flaw of any place where everyone is suppose to feel welcome.
It's tragical but at the same time comical that forums still try and stop ppl being offended because everything sayd will always offend some one.

Personally i joust think that the escapist is a very nice mindless forums since if i say anything stupid in a intelligent enough way it's accepted while in other forums you have to stand up for everything you say plus that you have to dodge idiot posts by genuinely stupid people.

The "care-bear" style of the escapist can at least be said to be a very good place to be introduced to forums and the internet i myself have learn a lot about the ways of the net but like everything else in life one eventually steps away from the safe arms of a "care-bear" forum and into the more real and rawer parts of the internet.

Excellent points I would say. Honestly, I've been surprised at just how far one can go without being banned. Often, simply posting in a thread covering a contentious topic can get you banned on other parts of the web.

Very good guide for teh n00bz. I got Probation for ONE Lolcat, one. Thats all :( Anyways, good guide!

Godofgame67:
So far the only moderator wrath I have ever incurred was a locked thread.

This information was helpful.

Same here.

Nice work on the OP.

The66Monkey:
Personally i joust think that the escapist is a very nice mindless forums since if i say anything stupid in a intelligent enough way it's accepted while in other forums you have to stand up for everything you say plus that you have to dodge idiot posts by genuinely stupid people.

The "care-bear" style of the escapist can at least be said to be a very good place to be introduced to forums and the internet i myself have learn a lot about the ways of the net but like everything else in life one eventually steps away from the safe arms of a "care-bear" forum and into the more real and rawer parts of the internet.

See, when "standing up for everything you say" means explaining the same elementary crap over and over again to a slightly different set of people (or the same set of deeply obstinate people), you're never actually going to be able to talk about something that means a damn. Your example ranting racist might "broaden" a discussion about racial issues a bit with his crazy ranting racist viewpoint, but he also drains all the depth out of it.

The best forums I've seen are small, intimate affairs that have a specific purpose -- to talk about X -- and moderation that keeps the discussion about X. They challenge you to be a worthwhile contributor rather than an armchair ranter or a drive-by ego-stroker. And all of that demands actively resisting being part of the "raw" Internet with its bullshit culture of anonymity and random aggression.

Now, the Escapist can't be a place like that -- it's got a much bigger and wider audience and the primary goal is to keep that audience entertained and sociable rather than to enable their creative acts or grow their understanding -- but there's still a lot to learn from small, functional creative communities on the web. I think the most important thing for users to learn is not to wallow in identity; the "social network" phenomenon of this decade has really bled all over message boards, too, feeding a culture where posting something trivial about yourself qualifies as "discussion".

-- Alex

SimuLord:
I learned a long time ago (thankfully through others' rather than my own experience) that if someone makes a tasteless racist or sexist joke, it is perfectly OK to laugh at it, but to quote the post and let someone know you laughed at it? Verboten.

Like most of the Internet, the Escapist falls into the trap of politically correct bigotry---it is perfectly fine to rip Acceptable Targets, but go after a pet liberal cause (with a "kitchen/sammich" joke or anything that's racist toward any race other than white people) and you're up a creek.

It's not as bad as some sites (I once got a three-day suspension from GameFAQs for---I am not making this up---stating I planned to vote Republican), but it is still ultimately a tilted playing field that makes it a lot less shocking that sites like Conservapedia and Metapedia exist.

I disagree with this, as it's not what you say, but how you say it. You can still be a homophobic zionist pirate fanboy without any restrictions here, but the requirement is that you have reasoning behind your argument and aren't rude about it.

I'll give an example (not resembling my own opinion):

Fanboyism:

Wrong:
stfu nubs u suk half life iz for PC fags halo is teh winzorz lolol

Intentional spelling errors, no explanation as to their opinion and the use of the word 'fags' in an offensive way are all factors involved in why this person would quite possibly recieve a probation at best.

Right:
I consider the Xbox to be the superior gaming device over the PC. My reasoning is that a keyboard and mouse is more uncomfortable to use than a controller, which moulds into your hand. Also, I consider consoles better for gaming as they require a lot less care, do not succumb to viruses and are purpose-built for my needs.

Half Life, in my opinion, was not that great a game as it was mostly story driven and had frequent parts where you were forced to stand around in unskippable cutscenes for up to 20 minutes rather than actually play the game. Halo is more of a game for me, as it provides bigger challenges, more enemies to shoot and not a single dull moment.

See what I did there? I just turned a post that was pointless, dull, illegible and stupid into something genuinely warranting discussion, giving the user a whole lot more respect by his peers. here one would have been banned, the other would not.

Still not convinced? I'll step it up a notch (again, not my opinion, just an example):

Homosexuality:

Wrong:
fuk u fags, cuz ur all SHIT go bak to amsterdam where ur WANTED

It really doesn't need saying. Offensive comments, unnecessary caps lock, spelling errors and god knows what else is the reason why anyone who would post anything like this will receive a suspension.

Right:
Homosexuality is a touchy issue on my part, as I was raised with the firm belief that it was a sin, as well as previous incidents in my life that I would rather forget.

I also consider sodomy unnatural; an act that no man was intended to do. Argue with me all you want, but that is my belief.

This was hard to write for me as well, because I have no idea why you would dislike homosexuality unless you were either a psycho-christian or told to dislike them by your 12-year-old peers. Anyway, I did my best.

The above quote may be debated by some, but the poster has at least given his reasons and contributed to the discussion in a polite manner. Also, a post like that will not receive moderator wrath for that very reason.

That's my observation, anyway.

scotth266:

Lord Krunk:

Excuse my uninformed-ness, but what does BB stand for?

And as for necroing threads, I am not too sure how to say when it's good and when it's bad. Really, I deem it to be good until a month after its connception, but others (like PurpleRain's Quote Thread) tend to survive.

Thanks for the feedback though; I'm glad that these few hours of work wasn't a waste of time on my part.

Ah, it's the tags added onto text, like the small or color things. Flagrant abuse of these is uncommon, but it happened in the past apparently.

And as for the necros, I asked Tendo about it. Apparently it's ok to necro something as long as you have added something significant to the discussion. Still, you might want to stick in a note telling people to avoid it when it comes to news threads. I mean, did we really need to be reminded of Soulja Boy's attempt to make a game about himself?

Also, you need to change the bottom to include (Permanent). Just for the lulz :D

Oh, you were talking about BB Code; I have a few ideas of what would be bannable offenses, so bear with me until I can write something up.

As for Necroing, it still isn't necessarily bannable unless the one doing the necroing happens to be a spambot, so I'll leave it out.

Thanks for the advice, by the way.

Lord Krunk:

The Banhammer and You: A Handy Guide

Very well said. I am new (again, sorry about that xD) and I have started a few controversial threads (one of my first ones, about lesbians and gays raising children, springs to mind, and today's about Christianity and dinosaurs) but unless I have a post-lord complex I'm not aware of, I didn't make them to get more posts; I was genuinely interested xD so I openly apologise to anyone offended by the subject matter.

Anyway, very well written and set out, and incredibly helpful. I'll stop feeding the trolls now :3

I think this thread should be stickied, it may help some misguided people.

UPDATE: Added a new topic, 'Badges and Bannings', which can now be found on the OP. Pictures courtesy of Nivag.

Lord Krunk:

Con-clue-shon

In the end, the moderators are the people that keep the Escapist a great place to be. Don't make their lives harder by causing trouble; embrace the community for what it is (freaking utopia), contribute and participate. We aren't a totalitarian empire, we're a friendly message board devoted to the gaming industry.

Indeed *quaffs champagne and adjusts his monocle*

Ouch....

You might want to add "Resurrection of old threads" to the probation list

its a stupid thing to be put on probation for and lost me my Neo :O!

Thanks, this is a really great, informative and nicely written thread =)

Lord Krunk:

Oh, you were talking about BB Code; I have a few ideas of what would be bannable offenses, so bear with me until I can write something up.

As for Necroing, it still isn't necessarily bannable unless the one doing the necroing happens to be a spambot, so I'll leave it out.

Thanks for the advice, by the way.

I believe that wilson's thread on BB code might be of some assistance on that matter: it has some examples of truely obnoxious code just for this subject. RAINBOW POWER!!!

And I'm glad to give it. Helping the kiddies to realize what will and won't fly in these here forums is fun stuff.

Ah, and apparently you can get probations for the necroing(I'm guessing for repeating it, not by accident): ask painlfull2006, he posted above.

Glad to see that you added a section on the badges, by the way. I'm still a-goin for the Neo, though given my insane amounts of activity here, I'll likely hit the post count before the six months are up :D

Alex_P:

The66Monkey:
Personally i joust think that the escapist is a very nice mindless forums since if i say anything stupid in a intelligent enough way it's accepted while in other forums you have to stand up for everything you say plus that you have to dodge idiot posts by genuinely stupid people.

The "care-bear" style of the escapist can at least be said to be a very good place to be introduced to forums and the internet i myself have learn a lot about the ways of the net but like everything else in life one eventually steps away from the safe arms of a "care-bear" forum and into the more real and rawer parts of the internet.

See, when "standing up for everything you say" means explaining the same elementary crap over and over again to a slightly different set of people (or the same set of deeply obstinate people), you're never actually going to be able to talk about something that means a damn. Your example ranting racist might "broaden" a discussion about racial issues a bit with his crazy ranting racist viewpoint, but he also drains all the depth out of it.

The best forums I've seen are small, intimate affairs that have a specific purpose -- to talk about X -- and moderation that keeps the discussion about X. They challenge you to be a worthwhile contributor rather than an armchair ranter or a drive-by ego-stroker. And all of that demands actively resisting being part of the "raw" Internet with its bullshit culture of anonymity and random aggression.

Now, the Escapist can't be a place like that -- it's got a much bigger and wider audience and the primary goal is to keep that audience entertained and sociable rather than to enable their creative acts or grow their understanding -- but there's still a lot to learn from small, functional creative communities on the web. I think the most important thing for users to learn is not to wallow in identity; the "social network" phenomenon of this decade has really bled all over message boards, too, feeding a culture where posting something trivial about yourself qualifies as "discussion".

-- Alex

yea 90% of what u say i totally agree with, i do however claim that "you're never actually going to be able to talk about something that means a damn" is a bit over simplified since you have in some of those forums an acceptable chance to find some one equally obsessed with the subject as you are, it usually ends with you being the only ones discussing the matter at hand with only a couple of stupid comments from passer-bys in between.

I got put on probation in marhc mayhem for stating ym own personal opinion, which was fair enough but 2 posts down i justified and put out the flames i started, then got suspended.

No epic poster badge for me im afraid :(

Useful guide Krunk, good job :)

that was pretty good. and it might be helpfull :)).

Absolutely fantastic. Lord Krunk, I congratulate thee, on creating a thread as useful as this. I'm in favor of it being stickied, if that's possible.
Again, well done, and I have no critique in particular, other than the fact that I'd like to raise a complaint about the Neo badge- I do recognize that the Neo badge is awarded for those that have proven to have incredible worth, and those that have proven to be truly useful to the community, but may I suggest that the requirements for the badge be edited to 3000 posts, or 3500 posts?

Maybe even 4000 posts? 5000 posts seems like an impassable wall for more than a few people, and I'm sure I speak for the badge enthusiasts when I say its requirements may be a little too steep.

Most of this seems like common sense. A good rule of thumb is 'if you wouldn't say it to someone you barely know's face don't say it on the internet'... well for most people anyway.

Simalacrum:
its the Escapists edition of the Wasteland survival guide! :D

oh by the way, one thing i've noticed is that people who put the first posts on Yahtzee's video - related threads (the official "thread to go with the video" stuff) tend to be on probabtion or suspended... yet when I check why they've been put on probabtion/suspension (maybe even ban?), a lot of the time the posts are completely innocent... they just happen to be some of the first posts on a yahtzee-video thread.

does anyone know why this is? just a curiosity

Check the post times and compare them with the time the video was put up. If the video was put up at 10:00 and the post is at 10:02 they watched a 5 minute video in two minutes. That can't be done so they posted before watching the video witch is not allowed. I asked the same question a few months back.

Wow, this thread was a really good idea, and very well made.

The_Oracle:
Absolutely fantastic. Lord Krunk, I congratulate thee, on creating a thread as useful as this. I'm in favor of it being stickied, if that's possible.
Again, well done, and I have no critique in particular, other than the fact that I'd like to raise a complaint about the Neo badge- I do recognize that the Neo badge is awarded for those that have proven to have incredible worth, and those that have proven to be truly useful to the community, but may I suggest that the requirements for the badge be edited to 3000 posts, or 3500 posts?

Maybe even 4000 posts? 5000 posts seems like an impassable wall for more than a few people, and I'm sure I speak for the badge enthusiasts when I say its requirements may be a little too steep.

That's sort of the point though, isn't it? To be unattainable save by the most pure souls?

Honestly, I like the Neo badge being as hard as it is: instead of lowering that one's post count, I'm in favor of making a badge in between Morpheus and Neo, for 3000 posts. There has to be at least one other character that people love... *cough* Smith *cough*

Besides, as long as we keep being nice, civil people on the forums, and try to avoid getting baited, the Neo is only a long way away, and not impossible in the least.

Very helpfull. Thanks :)

scotth266:

The_Oracle:
Absolutely fantastic. Lord Krunk, I congratulate thee, on creating a thread as useful as this. I'm in favor of it being stickied, if that's possible.
Again, well done, and I have no critique in particular, other than the fact that I'd like to raise a complaint about the Neo badge- I do recognize that the Neo badge is awarded for those that have proven to have incredible worth, and those that have proven to be truly useful to the community, but may I suggest that the requirements for the badge be edited to 3000 posts, or 3500 posts?

Maybe even 4000 posts? 5000 posts seems like an impassable wall for more than a few people, and I'm sure I speak for the badge enthusiasts when I say its requirements may be a little too steep.

That's sort of the point though, isn't it? To be unattainable save by the most pure souls?

Honestly, I like the Neo badge being as hard as it is: instead of lowering that one's post count, I'm in favor of making a badge in between Morpheus and Neo, for 3000 posts. There has to be at least one other character that people love... *cough* Smith *cough*

Besides, as long as we keep being nice, civil people on the forums, and try to avoid getting baited, the Neo is only a long way away, and not impossible in the least.

Know what I think? The Neo badge should totally be 3000, and there should be a Smith badge for 4000, and an Oracle/Architect badge for 5000. That's just me as a Matrix fanboy though. I would KILL for an Oracle/Architect badge. I really would.

That said, as long as you follow all the rules, and be courteous and kind, I believe you'll be saved from the wrath of the Banhammer. Folks, we must follow the teachings of the lord Jeebus Susan who did come down from the heavens on her mystical pony if we are to survive. Amen!*

*Note: the post above is 99% satirical, 1% mod worship in the same way people worship elder gods. it is not meant to be offensive to any Christians or born-again Christians or anyone else. I know you know where I live. please don't hurt me.

The_Oracle:

SNIP

I can tell that you were being satirical. No need for alarm :D

And I agree, though the spacing of the quantity of posts is off. Needs more Matrix... and the Oracle WAS one of the most powerful beings in the whole thing, no? Here's how it should work:

I put the Architect at 10,000 because as a old guy, he represents seniority.

But we should stop clogging up this thread with our silly litte fantasy badge lineups :D

scotth266:

The_Oracle:

SNIP

I can tell that you were being satirical. No need for alarm :D

And I agree, though the spacing of the quantity of posts is off. Needs more Matrix... and the Oracle WAS one of the most powerful beings in the whole thing, no? Here's how it should work:

I put the Architect at 10,000 because as a old guy, he represents seniority.

But we should stop clogging up this thread with our silly litte fantasy badge lineups :D

The Oracle was the motherfrakkin' Chessmaster. She created the entire process responsible for Neo being the One and engineered the events of all three movies, including her Smithassimilation. And she got better! She's awesome. She's my role model.

But yeah, let's take this shindig to the Badge thread. Away we go!

A well structured, informative thread.
However, am I understanding correctly that once you have received moderator beatings in say your first 200 posts, it then becomes impossible for you to get the Morpheus badge even if you don't get a beating from the mods when you are past 1200 posts?

The_Oracle:

scotth266:

The_Oracle:
Absolutely fantastic. Lord Krunk, I congratulate thee, on creating a thread as useful as this. I'm in favor of it being stickied, if that's possible.
Again, well done, and I have no critique in particular, other than the fact that I'd like to raise a complaint about the Neo badge- I do recognize that the Neo badge is awarded for those that have proven to have incredible worth, and those that have proven to be truly useful to the community, but may I suggest that the requirements for the badge be edited to 3000 posts, or 3500 posts?

Maybe even 4000 posts? 5000 posts seems like an impassable wall for more than a few people, and I'm sure I speak for the badge enthusiasts when I say its requirements may be a little too steep.

That's sort of the point though, isn't it? To be unattainable save by the most pure souls?

Honestly, I like the Neo badge being as hard as it is: instead of lowering that one's post count, I'm in favor of making a badge in between Morpheus and Neo, for 3000 posts. There has to be at least one other character that people love... *cough* Smith *cough*

Besides, as long as we keep being nice, civil people on the forums, and try to avoid getting baited, the Neo is only a long way away, and not impossible in the least.

Know what I think? The Neo badge should totally be 3000, and there should be a Smith badge for 4000, and an Oracle/Architect badge for 5000. That's just me as a Matrix fanboy though. I would KILL for an Oracle/Architect badge. I really would.

That said, as long as you follow all the rules, and be courteous and kind, I believe you'll be saved from the wrath of the Banhammer. Folks, we must follow the teachings of the lord Jeebus Susan who did come down from the heavens on her mystical pony if we are to survive. Amen!*

*Note: the post above is 99% satirical, 1% mod worship in the same way people worship elder gods. it is not meant to be offensive to any Christians or born-again Christians or anyone else. I know you know where I live. please don't hurt me.

I agree with Scott with regard to this, as the reason why it's such an awesome badge is that it's nigh impossible to get. And anyway, who wouldn't want to proudly flash your One-ness with the forums?

But I believe that an answer to this problem would be to have a counter that went up for every post you made, then reset if you ever suffered any mod wrath. That way it's still possible to get, but still hard as ever.

Godofgame67:

Simalacrum:
its the Escapists edition of the Wasteland survival guide! :D

oh by the way, one thing i've noticed is that people who put the first posts on Yahtzee's video - related threads (the official "thread to go with the video" stuff) tend to be on probabtion or suspended... yet when I check why they've been put on probabtion/suspension (maybe even ban?), a lot of the time the posts are completely innocent... they just happen to be some of the first posts on a yahtzee-video thread.

does anyone know why this is? just a curiosity

Check the post times and compare them with the time the video was put up. If the video was put up at 10:00 and the post is at 10:02 they watched a 5 minute video in two minutes. That can't be done so they posted before watching the video witch is not allowed. I asked the same question a few months back.

I forgot about that; I'll add something on it later this afternoon.

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