Nintendo Switch becomes the fastest selling videogame console in US History

 Pages PREV 1 2 3 4 NEXT
 

The main reason why it was such a success, is due to the fact that it is VERY 3rd party developer friendly...The one thing sony had that consistently beat Nintendo's consoles was offering more software for the consumers due to a much stronger 3rd party support...

Nintendo now has a stronger foothold in the console market, I hope they keep it up...The only reason I won't buy one is that I detest this trend of relying too much on the Internet for gaming, as the console/MMOs are pretty much worthless if you lose your Internet connection.

Casual Shinji:
Maybe it's because I'm getting old, but I sure as hell don't. It's about as pleasant to me as watching movies on a phone. I played Breath of the Wild undocked for like half an hour, and while it runs fine I can't say I found the experience very immersive. Even a game like Stardew Valley I'd much rather play on a TV screen.

I quite happily put a movie or TV show on my GPD XD while in bed and that only has a five inch screen. I am only a youthful 41 though, so perhaps my opinion will change in time.

As to games, I think it depends on what title it is for me. I'm quite happily working my way through Shining Force III while on my breaks at work but something like Command & Conquer I just can't get on with on a small screen, I know I'm not getting any more information but it just works better on my TV for me. Of course when I play on my TV I use my actual Saturn rather than using my handheld.

Casual Shinji:
They seem to be getting a lot more dedicated third-party exclusives though, what with the system rising in popularity. And that's been one of their weaker points for a while now.

Exclusives sell systems, I don't think there can be any doubt about that.

Good for them. Having said that, Nintendo is and has been in its own gaming industry ecosystem since around the time Microsoft got into the game. They aren't really even directly competing with anyone else but themselves at this point, because they've managed to carve out a health niche market. To break sales records and still be able to find large swaths of gamers who might have only heard about the Switch but never plan on getting one proves this.

Nintendo is smart not to compete directly with Sony and Microsoft though, because they've proven they don't really need to, and are better off not doing so anyways.

People shit on Nintendo's third party support all the time.

it's interesting though that 9 out of the top 20 games on Nintendo Switch, are 3rd Party games, and the most played one of those 3rd Party games, is the exact same game example people used when they were shitting on Nintendo 3rd Party support. The most played 3rd party game is none other than the 6 year old Skyrim.

hanselthecaretaker:

Nintendo is smart not to compete directly with Sony and Microsoft though, because they've proven they don't really need to, and are better off not doing so anyways.

At the end of the day, they are all primarily selling a videogame console so yes, Nintendo is competing directly with Sony and Nintendo.

Since the Wii and DS though, Nintendo has simply just competed against Sony and Microsoft by using different strategies to gain sales. first they used focused selling on touch screens with DS, then they focused on selling motion controls With Wii, then they focused on selling glasses free 3D with the 3DS, then they focused on selling off TV Play with With Wii U and now it's come to the point where their main focus is on selling a Hyrbid video game console that can be played both on and off the TV with the Switch.

people can call them "gimmicks" as much as they want, but at the end of the day Nintendo is primarily selling video game systems like Sony and MS are, they'd just rather focus on selling unique ways of playing videogames or "gimmicks" rather than just having a Dick Swinging contest about who can have the most powerful box like Sony & Microsoft do with each other when it comes to consoles.

Yoshi178:
The most played 3rd party game is none other than the 6 year old Skyrim.

Yeah, but Skyrim is weird like that -- Everybody complains about it being re-released, yet everybody keeps on buying the damn thing over and over. It was the running gag at E3 '17.

Casual Shinji:
Everybody complains about it being re-released, yet everybody keeps on buying the damn thing over and over. It was the running gag at E3 '17.

They do? Are people actually buying Skyrim over and over, or is it just new people?

I mean, maybe there's a market for Skyrim being played portably, but other than that...

my bad, it's the 2nd most played 3rd Party Switch Game.

Minecraft is played more.

Yoshi178:
People shit on Nintendo's third party support all the time.

it's interesting though that 9 out of the top 20 games on Nintendo Switch, are 3rd Party games, and the most played one of those 3rd Party games, is the exact same game example people used when they were shitting on Nintendo 3rd Party support. The most played 3rd party game is none other than the 6 year old Skyrim.

People shit on Nintendo for this BEFORE the Switch. When it was deserved. Nintendo has changed policy from late Wii U era and should be praised.

As to the original question - I didnt see that much hate here for the Switch. Concern, sure - we had been burned by the Wii U and the Wii didnt have that many good games. GameCube was pretty bad as well. Three generations of lacklustre consoling from Nintendo.

Me personally, I was worried that it would be good but I hoped it would. If you take that as wanting it to be a massive flop, sure go ahead. I, personally, don't think saying concerns means asking for disaster.

EDIT: That first ad campaign was trash. I only bought a Switch very recently, mostly due to the stupidity of that ad.

Hawki:

Casual Shinji:
Everybody complains about it being re-released, yet everybody keeps on buying the damn thing over and over. It was the running gag at E3 '17.

They do? Are people actually buying Skyrim over and over, or is it just new people?

I mean, maybe there's a market for Skyrim being played portably, but other than that...

I doubt it. At least, I think.

After all these years Skyrim is still weirdly popular among the hardcore Elder Scrolls fans, it seems. I don't have any hard data, but I reckon the remaster for PS4/Xbone sold like crazy, too.

trunkage:

Yoshi178:
People shit on Nintendo's third party support all the time.

it's interesting though that 9 out of the top 20 games on Nintendo Switch, are 3rd Party games, and the most played one of those 3rd Party games, is the exact same game example people used when they were shitting on Nintendo 3rd Party support. The most played 3rd party game is none other than the 6 year old Skyrim.

People shit on Nintendo for this BEFORE the Switch. When it was deserved. Nintendo has changed policy from late Wii U era and should be praised.

No people were definitely still shitting on the Switch's 3rd Party support even halfway through last year.

it's only since about November that people have started to quiet down about game support on the switch. before it was all just "hurr durr, Switch will only ever get ports of shitty 6 year old games like Skyrim." then Wolfenstein II got announced and people have only gotten quieter and quieter since then as more stuff has gotten announced for the thing.

Yoshi178:

trunkage:

Yoshi178:
People shit on Nintendo's third party support all the time.

it's interesting though that 9 out of the top 20 games on Nintendo Switch, are 3rd Party games, and the most played one of those 3rd Party games, is the exact same game example people used when they were shitting on Nintendo 3rd Party support. The most played 3rd party game is none other than the 6 year old Skyrim.

People shit on Nintendo for this BEFORE the Switch. When it was deserved. Nintendo has changed policy from late Wii U era and should be praised.

No people were definitely still shitting on the Switch's 3rd Party support even halfway through last year.

it's only since about November that people have started to quiet down about game support on the switch. before it was all just "hurr durr, Switch will only ever get ports of shitty 6 year old games like Skyrim." then Wolfenstein II got announced and people have only gotten quieter and quieter since then as more stuff has gotten announced for the thing.

Didn't the Switch only come out in March? How many 3rd party games were out by then? Some were announced but nothing stand out by June. I don't take what companies say they are going to do as gospel. I look at what they do. It wasn't until Rabbits v Mario and Golf Story came out and were good that I started changing my mind.

Nintendo had a lot of bad years to make up for. 6 to 8 mths is an incredibly fast turn around.

trunkage:

Yoshi178:

trunkage:
People shit on Nintendo for this BEFORE the Switch. When it was deserved. Nintendo has changed policy from late Wii U era and should be praised.

No people were definitely still shitting on the Switch's 3rd Party support even halfway through last year.

it's only since about November that people have started to quiet down about game support on the switch. before it was all just "hurr durr, Switch will only ever get ports of shitty 6 year old games like Skyrim." then Wolfenstein II got announced and people have only gotten quieter and quieter since then as more stuff has gotten announced for the thing.

Didn't the Switch only come out in March? How many 3rd party games were out by then? Some were announced but nothing stand out by June. I don't take what companies say they are going to do as gospel. I look at what they do. It wasn't until Rabbits v Mario and Golf Story came out and were good that I started changing my mind.

Nintendo had a lot of bad years to make up for. 6 to 8 mths is an incredibly fast turn around.

Yeah, there wasn't heaps of 3rd Party Support at the Switches launch. everyone here laughed their ass off at me when i told them that at that time, 3rd Parties were clearly still testing the waters with the Switch, and that 3rd Party Support would increase when Developers saw sales results.

The Switch selling shitloads last year and even a game like like Ultimate Street Fighter II surpassed Capcom's sales expectations. now that 3rd Parties have seen sales results, it's only just now in the last month or two that we're now slowly starting to see that 3rd Parties are starting to change their attitude towards switch, and now that they've seen sales for the Switch and they're ports, we're now beginning to see them start taking the console more seriously and start developing their higher budget games for the system.

Yeah, I can see the Switch doing pretty well.

I have one, play it an average of a half hour to hour each day. I have to take the bus and train most days, and the Switch slots into that niche of being easier than my laptop, that can involve other people easily, allows easy dropin-drop out gameplay, but doesn't break that cardinal rule of being too heavy.

The price tag for that is a bit steep, but Nintendo has never been about the paupers and Nintendo has never shied way from publicly expressing its desire to be fiscally conservative. Producing consoles usually at cost of manufacture while also then having incredibly market concentration for their software.

I think what rubs people the wrong way is that hardware-software dilemma that somehow Nintendo is 'cheating' people out of being able to play their games by remaining a console maker. But the fact of the matter is they wouldn't be producing as many games as they are without the heavy lateral expansion and market consolidation that comes through being a console maker. There is a reason Atari and Sega are a shadow of their former selves.

The price of wanting to play Nintendo games, and their copious delivery of quality games, has always been tied directly to market exclusivity.

It costs money to have three simultaneous Zelda games in development at any one time. And that's just Zelda, not any of their other stuff like a new Mario or Kirby. If you can't command high sales through market exclusivity and growing your sphere of influence with each release, then suddenly those games are going to bite the dust both in quality and quantity.

The Switch is still bottom of the barrel by FAR when it comes to 3rd-party support. Sure, it's getting some games but there's a HUGE difference between the amount of 3rd-party games available for Switch compared to PS4/Xbone. The reason that Nintendo is not competing with Sony and Microsoft is because the Switch can't be your primary gaming platform because you'd just be missing out on way too many games (unless you're a total Nintendo fanboy and you just care about Nintendo games). Funny thing is that the reason why several 3rd-party games are coming to the Switch is because of Sony actually (I wonder if Yoshi can figure that one out). Lastly, Nintendo sorta blew their load last year and 2018 is easily going to be much less stellar with game releases.

Yoshi178:

Yeah, there wasn't heaps of 3rd Party Support at the Switches launch. everyone here laughed their ass off at me when i told them that at that time, 3rd Parties were clearly still testing the waters with the Switch, and that 3rd Party Support would increase when Developers saw sales results.

The Switch selling shitloads last year and even a game like like Ultimate Street Fighter II surpassed Capcom's sales expectations. now that 3rd Parties have seen sales results, it's only just now in the last month or two that we're now slowly starting to see that 3rd Parties are starting to change their attitude towards switch, and now that they've seen sales for the Switch and they're ports, we're now beginning to see them start taking the console more seriously and start developing their higher budget games for the system.

Plus the lack of 3rd party support is clearly a moot point considering how much the Switch sold anyway. If people buy it in spite of that, then it's clear 3rd parties aren't a make or break. 2018 will be an interesting year because Nintendo already has some titles in the pipe like Octopath Traveler and Valkyria Chronicles 4, but considering how tightly Nintendo keeps things to the chest they probably have some bombshells they're going to announce soon.

Phoenixmgs:
Nintendo sorta blew their load last year and 2018 is easily going to be much less stellar with game releases.

If you think things like Pokemon Switch and Animal Crossing Switch aren't possibly going to sell high numbers then you'd be deluded.

I don't even like Animal Crossing but i can still recognize that it's a big system seller to all the normies out there.

Yoshi178:

Phoenixmgs:
Nintendo sorta blew their load last year and 2018 is easily going to be much less stellar with game releases.

If you think things like Pokemon Switch and Animal Crossing Switch aren't possibly going to sell high numbers then you'd be deluded.

I don't even like Animal Crossing but i can still recognize that it's a big system seller to all the normies out there.

To be fair, neither Pokemon nor Animal Crossing has actually been announced (Yes I know they said they are working on a new Pokemon for the switch.) As of right now, we have no official confirmation of either coming in 2018. Having said that, I do believe it is likely we will see Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, and Pokemon in 2018. Right now, as far as I'm aware, the only games I know for sure Nintendo is putting out in 2018 is Yoshi, Kirby, and Bayonetta, all great series, and likely to move some units, but I wouldn't call any of those bombshell releases (Like BOTW, or Odyssey.)

Now I will say that I've owned a switch since it launched and I love the thing. I use it as a handheld more than anything, and it is great for that. Docked play is fun too, but there is just something about playing console games on the go. Nintendo had a good 2017, no arguing that fact. Hoping 2018 follows suit. Waiting for that supposed direct to come. At the end of the day, I say good on Nintendo for making the Switch. PS4 is still selling well, I've heard the One-X is doing pretty well, and of course the Switch is selling very well. This is a good thing for the industry. A competitive market is generally good for the end consumer.

Randomosity:

Yoshi178:

Phoenixmgs:
Nintendo sorta blew their load last year and 2018 is easily going to be much less stellar with game releases.

If you think things like Pokemon Switch and Animal Crossing Switch aren't possibly going to sell high numbers then you'd be deluded.

I don't even like Animal Crossing but i can still recognize that it's a big system seller to all the normies out there.

To be fair, neither Pokemon nor Animal Crossing has actually been announced (Yes I know they said they are working on a new Pokemon for the switch.) As of right now, we have no official confirmation of either coming in 2018. Having said that, I do believe it is likely we will see Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, and Pokemon in 2018. Right now, as far as I'm aware, the only games I know for sure Nintendo is putting out in 2018 is Yoshi, Kirby, and Bayonetta, all great series, and likely to move some units, but I wouldn't call any of those bombshell releases (Like BOTW, or Odyssey.)

Actually Fire Emblem Switch was already confirmed for a 2018 release in last years Fire Emblem Direct.

As for Pokemon and Animal Crossing. yeah technically Animal Crossing hasn't been announced for Switch yet but i think it's pretty safe bet that we'll see it sooner rather than later. and with Pokemon Switch, while didn't say definitely 2018 they did say they were aiming for a 2018 release, and given that we don't know actually how far along in the development process they already were at the time of E3 2017, also the fact that Nintendo managed to keep all of their release promise's for 2017 including a a game as huge as Xenoblade Chronicles 2 which everyone said there was no way it would come out in 2017, late 2018-early 2019 at the earliest, Nintendo still managed to keep all of their promise's and release every major game that they said would come out in 2017.

In fact i'm pretty sure the only Promise that Nintendo didn't actually keep last year was the release of Paid online which they first said was going to launch in late 2017 but then they delayed it to 2018. (and let's face it, who REALLY wants to pay for online play?)

Yoshi178:

Why would you all lie to me?

Because you're a dinosaur and dinosaurs are gullible, it's fun.

More seriously, 2017 has been an excellent year for Nintendo, I hope they can maintain that with software in 2018. A good Starfox and Metroid game would be greatly appreciatted.

fix-the-spade:

Yoshi178:

Why would you all lie to me?

Because you're a dinosaur and dinosaurs are gullible, it's fun.

More seriously, 2017 has been an excellent year for Nintendo, I hope they can maintain that with software in 2018. A good Starfox and Metroid game would be greatly appreciatted.

Well we already got Metroid Samus Returns which is pretty damn good.

as for Star Fox, i haven't finished it yet, but that game isn't anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be. people are just pissy because they don't like Motion controls. the only levels i didn't really like as i played it were the Landmaster battles.

The Landmaster had pretty bad controls but aside from that, i thought all of the other levels and control options were fine.

Well they did have a strong line-up last year. And the concept behind the console was quite easy to explain.

One thing I do wonder is to what extent people use it as a video game console and to what extent they use it as a mobile machine. That will probably affect what its forthcoming line-up will be.

My guess for what 2018 will hold for the switch, (some confirmed, others are speculation.) In regards to Nintendo's line up, not particularly third party, are as follows

Confirmed: Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Kirby, and Bayonetta 1&2

Speculation: Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Bayonetta 3 (Might be 2019), A couple more WiiU ports (My guess would be Mario Maker and WindWaker HD.), Possibly a new IP of some kind (No basis for this, just a gut feeling), and one or two Third Party Licensed titles (See Hyrule Warriors, Mario and Rabbids, and Fire Emblem Warriors.)

As for 2019, I think that is when we will see Smash Bros and Prime 4.

fix-the-spade:
A good Starfox and Metroid game would be greatly appreciatted.

A good Star Fox game again? What madness is this?

Yoshi178:

as for Star Fox, i haven't finished it yet, but that game isn't anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be. people are just pissy because they don't like Motion controls. the only levels i didn't really like as i played it were the Landmaster battles.

Gee, imagine that, people not liking motion controls. Can't imagine why...

Also, even casting aside motion controls, Zero is offputting in another sense that it's yet another damn reboot for the series, telling the same story for the third time. While the gameplay of Command was tripe, its endings did allow for some interesting future content, such as Marcus McCloud and Dash following in Andross's footsteps. But, no, the reset button was hit again because...reasons.

Hawki:
Zero is offputting in another sense that it's yet another damn reboot for the series.

Same deal with the "new" Metroid game really, just another remake/rehash/remaster of an old game.

Johnny Novgorod:

Hawki:
Zero is offputting in another sense that it's yet another damn reboot for the series.

Same deal with the "new" Metroid game really, just another remake/rehash/remaster of an old game.

I'm more cordial to the existence of Samus Returns than Zero. Key differences exist in that:

-Samus Returns is the first remake of a game, Zero is the second.

-Zero rebooted an entire series, making it the second reboot the series has had. Metroid has managed to keep one single storyline that's more or less congruent.

-General consensus was that Return of Samus hadn't aged well, so it's understandable why it would have a remake. In contrast, I'd argue that Star Fox 64 has aged relatively well, and had already got a graphical overhaul on the 3DS anyway.

Johnny Novgorod:

Hawki:
Zero is offputting in another sense that it's yet another damn reboot for the series.

Same deal with the "new" Metroid game really, just another remake/rehash/remaster of an old game.

i don't see you having any issues with Sony constantly shoveling out all their rehashes of things like Crash Bandicoot, Shadow of the Colossus, The Last of Us and now Medievil as well....

Hawki:

Gee, imagine that, people not liking motion controls. Can't imagine why...

Splatoon and Metroid Prime 3 are Perfect examples of good motion controls.

the only bad motion controls in Star Fox Zero were the Landmaster levels. otherwise i didn't have any issue with them whatsoever. most people are just bitching without even trying them

Hawki:

Johnny Novgorod:

Hawki:
Zero is offputting in another sense that it's yet another damn reboot for the series.

Same deal with the "new" Metroid game really, just another remake/rehash/remaster of an old game.

I'm more cordial to the existence of Samus Returns than Zero. Key differences exist in that:

-Samus Returns is the first remake of a game, Zero is the second.

-Zero rebooted an entire series, making it the second reboot the series has had. Metroid has managed to keep one single storyline that's more or less congruent.

-General consensus was that Return of Samus hadn't aged well, so it's understandable why it would have a remake. In contrast, I'd argue that Star Fox 64 has aged relatively well, and had already got a graphical overhaul on the 3DS anyway.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing or even a step back, but I can't count it as a "new" Metroid. I played the original 1991 game to death and I can tell this barely counts as an HD facelift. As far as I'm concerned the last Metroid game still is Other M, which I guess scared Nintendo from doing a sequel or even a new entry for... 8 years now.

I honestly don't understand why you get your knickers so much in a twist or get such a rager bout Nintendo. Like no one was really that hard on it. I at most mocked how bored the translator was on their reveal and criticized their their third party line up and possibilities being a portable system and that's bout it and i only said one of those here. Most things I seen been long those lines.

Commanderfantasy:

kenu12345:
I honestly don't understand why you get your knickers so much in a twist or get such a rager bout Nintendo. Like no one was really that hard on it. I at most mocked how bored the translator was on their reveal and criticized their their third party line up and possibilities being a portable system and that's bout here and i only said one of those here. Most things I seen been long those lines.

That would be my big question as well. I don't understand the quick to anger responses out of him when anyone dogs Nintendo in any way. I'm thinking some kind of autism. Or a disproportionate response trigger in the medula-oblongata.

Because they're dumping on something he likes and it's a perfectly normal response to counter. Furthermore, the logic used to dump on Nintendo is either A) Cripplingly flawed B) uses obsolete data or C) trying to project their opinion as the universal consensus. I don't know what it is, but for some reason Nintendo being praised just bugs some people and quite frankly those people need to find new problems to be concerned about.

Johnny Novgorod:

I'm not saying it's a bad thing or even a step back, but I can't count it as a "new" Metroid. I played the original 1991 game to death and I can tell this barely counts as an HD facelift.

Not played either, but, really? Considering Samus Returns has swivel aiming, the counter system, extra bosses, and the Aion system, isn't that more than just a prettier re-release.

Hawki:

Johnny Novgorod:

I'm not saying it's a bad thing or even a step back, but I can't count it as a "new" Metroid. I played the original 1991 game to death and I can tell this barely counts as an HD facelift.

Not played either, but, really? Considering Samus Returns has swivel aiming, the counter system, extra bosses, and the Aion system, isn't that more than just a prettier re-release.

don't forget newly added story cutscenes.

which isn't much granted but it's still more than simply just making it prettier like Sony did with Last of Us.

Yoshi178:
which isn't much granted but it's still more than simply just making it prettier like Sony did with Last of Us.

I don't think it really fair to compare the two.

Samus Returns is a full-on remake of Metroid 2. It follows the basic outline, but aside from that very little remains of the original. There's probably not a single asset or line of code left. It plays and feels considerably different too. It's essentially an entirely new game built on the same concept. I think a better comparison would be to something like Black Mesa (Half-Life) or maybe Doom '16 (OG Doom, obviously).

The Last of Us Remastered is only an updated re-release. 90+% the same game, but with some upgraded models/textures and maybe some extra features . It bears more similarity to Wind Waker HD or Twilight Princess HD than to Samus Returns.

 Pages PREV 1 2 3 4 NEXT

Reply to Thread

Log in or Register to Comment
Have an account? Login below:
With Facebook:Login With Facebook
or
Username:  
Password:  
  
Not registered? To sign up for an account with The Escapist:
Register With Facebook
Register With Facebook
or
Register for a free account here