Paste?s Top 50 FPS of All Time

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https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/01/the-50-best-first-person-shooters-of-all-time.html

Can't say I agree with all of them (two Halo entries?), but definitely not the worst FPS list I've even seen either.

I'd favor more variety instead of so many repeats within the same franchise (surely not all 3 BioShocks deserve a spot) but it's a pretty good list overall. Doom, Quake, CoD, Half-Life, Portal, Goldeneye, TimeSplitters, System Shock, BioShock, Borderlands...

An FPS related thread not made by B-Cell? Interesting.

And yeah some of these games have sequels that are better than them in everyway.

Why Unreal Tournament when U2K4 is superior in everyway?

Same goes arguably for Black Ops over Modern Warfare.

Eh, I can't take these 'I'm a real gamer, see I made the first Doom game the best FPS EVAR!' lists seriously.
Go back and play the original Doom. Its very clunky, very obtuse, the jumping is ass, and the soundtrack was terrible. Its like saying Pong is the best multiplayer game of all time, simply because it was the first.

Bioshock is better than the original Doom in every way. As is Doom 2016. Duke Nukem, Hexen, Bioshock Infinite, etc...all better. Hell most of that list is better than the Original Doom. I'd have put it at either 49 or 50

Well, everyone's entitled to my opinion, so in regards to the entries I've played:

46: Star Wars: Battlefront II (always saw this as being more of a TPS. Anyway, this was fun, but, well, just fun. I get everyone hates EA's Battlefront games, but I never thought the original games were that special either.)

36: TimeSplitters II (no idea if this holds up, but an absolute blast back in the day)

31: Call of Duty (played about 5 minutes of the campaign in an Internet cafe years and years ago, so...yay?)

30: Perfect Dark (I think GoldenEye is superior (least in singleplayer), but pretty good game)

29: Medal of Honour: Frontline (best MoH game)

28: Battlefield 1942 (yep, pretty much)

27: Doom II (no. Just no. Heck, even Doom 2016 is better than this)

21: Fallout 3 (never played much of this, saw it as more of an RPG with shooter elements than an FPS in its own right. Anyway, not my thing.)

16: Metroid Prime (see above)

15: Counter-Strike (I get why it's here, but I've never been into Counter-Strike. Maybe it's because I suck at it.)

13: Half-Life 2 (overrated! Decent, and a net positive, but not the masterpiece people make it out to be)

12: Halo 2 (took us this long for a Halo entry? Well, not as fond of Halo 2 as other Halo entries, but I get why it's here, given the jump in multiplayer it had)

9: GoldenEye 007 (surprised it's this high, but hey, can't complain)

7: Halo: Combat Evolved (#1 FPS of all time)

5: BioShock (not the #1 FPS, but still a damn good game. However, since when were audio diaries a negative narrative trend?)

1: Doom (not my #1 FPS either, but I get why it's here. I think it's held up reasonably well)

So, 16/50. Um, yay?

Also, bad list missed the following games:

-Halo 5: Guardians
-Doom 3
-Killzone 2
-Halo 3
-Halo: Reach
-Battlefield 2

Hawki:
Well, everyone's entitled to my opinion, so in regards to the entries I've played:

46: Star Wars: Battlefront II (always saw this as being more of a TPS. Anyway, this was fun, but, well, just fun. I get everyone hates EA's Battlefront games, but I never thought the original games were that special either.)

36: TimeSplitters II (no idea if this holds up, but an absolute blast back in the day)

31: Call of Duty (played about 5 minutes of the campaign in an Internet cafe years and years ago, so...yay?)

30: Perfect Dark (I think GoldenEye is superior (least in singleplayer), but pretty good game)

29: Medal of Honour: Frontline (best MoH game)

28: Battlefield 1942 (yep, pretty much)

27: Doom II (no. Just no. Heck, even Doom 2016 is better than this)

21: Fallout 3 (never played much of this, saw it as more of an RPG with shooter elements than an FPS in its own right. Anyway, not my thing.)

16: Metroid Prime (see above)

15: Counter-Strike (I get why it's here, but I've never been into Counter-Strike. Maybe it's because I suck at it.)

13: Half-Life 2 (overrated! Decent, and a net positive, but not the masterpiece people make it out to be)

12: Halo 2 (took us this long for a Halo entry? Well, not as fond of Halo 2 as other Halo entries, but I get why it's here, given the jump in multiplayer it had)

9: GoldenEye 007 (surprised it's this high, but hey, can't complain)

7: Halo: Combat Evolved (#1 FPS of all time)

5: BioShock (not the #1 FPS, but still a damn good game. However, since when were audio diaries a negative narrative trend?)

1: Doom (not my #1 FPS either, but I get why it's here. I think it's held up reasonably well)

So, 16/50. Um, yay?

Also, bad list missed the following games:

-Halo 5: Guardians
-Doom 3
-Killzone 2
-Halo 3
-Halo: Reach
-Battlefield 2

Star Wars: Battlefront 2 original wasn't all the special for me either, I used to love it, but it hasn't aged well compared to say Republic Commando

I am starting to think Timesplitters 2 is the most overrated game ever.

Call of Duty 1 had the best orchestral music score ever.

Sorry man, Perfect Dark was better in everyway than Goldeneye 64.

Why is Frontline better than Allied Assualt?

1942 is good but also really dated. I hope the next one is a WW2 Battlefield.

What's your beef with Doom 2?

Fallout 3 is still inferior to the older games

Metroid Prime 4 better be as good as 1 and 2.

Counter Strike is one of the first mainstream FPS that is more in a realistic setting.

Half-Life 2. Still think 1 was better.

Halo 2, Best Halo Multiplayer ever.

Goldeneye 64, I just wish a new shooter replicates its campaign better.

Halo 1 is now officially dated to me.

Bioshock 1, the one thing that ruins the game for me is the shooting feels like shit.

Doom 1 is Doom 1.

And your list of missing games:

I never thought I see anyone liking Doom 3 at all here.

Killzone 2.......Its better than Resisitance 2 at least and better guns.

Halo 3 had the best campaign in terms of gameplay. More sandboxy than 1 and 2.

Halo: Reach was wasted opportunity.

Never played Halo 5 but gameplay wise its seems to be a much more better and polished Halo 4.

Battlefield 2 is one of those games I feel I completely missed out due to not having a good PC and internet service at the time.

Far Cry 2 is number 4? That's an . . interesting choice.

Silentpony:
Go back and play the original Doom. Its very clunky, very obtuse, the jumping is ass, and the soundtrack was terrible.

I don't know why you'd say it's obtuse. It's all quite intuitive. You just run around and shoot monsters. And I'd say it's still fun to play. I don't know if I'd give it the number 1 spot, but I'd probably put it on the list somewhere. It's better than Bioshock Infinite.

What a generic list. Just select 50 FPS classics and put them in a random order, but make sure the first 10 games are the ones that are most celebrated on various gaming boards. All of these top# lists are useless.

Adam Jensen:
What a generic list. Just select 50 FPS classics and put them in a random order, but make sure the first 10 games are the ones that are most celebrated on various gaming boards. All of these top# lists are useless.

Eh your just upset Deus Ex isn't No.1 on the list ;)

Adam Jensen:
What a generic list. Just select 50 FPS classics and put them in a random order, but make sure the first 10 games are the ones that are most celebrated on various gaming boards. All of these top# lists are useless.

To be fair, games (and movies and other media) generally become classics because they're the top of their genres; that's kind of why they're remembered as classics instead of relegated to the dustbin.

The original Doom is not that good. Most influential is not the same thing as best.

Samtemdo8:

Adam Jensen:
What a generic list. Just select 50 FPS classics and put them in a random order, but make sure the first 10 games are the ones that are most celebrated on various gaming boards. All of these top# lists are useless.

Eh your just upset Deus Ex isn't No.1 on the list ;)

No. I saw that Portal and Portal 2 were on the list. They're not shooters, they're simply first person puzzles.

Ha. Suck it Overwatch.

Hawki:
Also, bad list missed the following games:

-Killzone 3

FTFY.

I don't know who these guy's are, but I question their credibility. I mean Doom was a ground breaking game for it's time and a landmark in gaming history, but it sure as hell hasn't aged well and there have been many FPSs that have long since surpassed it.

50?? I can hardly remember the last 3 I played through.

Oh, wait...it's one of those "please every possible classic nostalgia boner" lists again. Nevermind!

...

*peeks slyly to look for perfect dark*

bah. Whatever. Not enough validation

BEST? OF ALL TIME?
I need to check this out.
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11. Wolfenstein 3D
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9. Goldeneye 007
...
Yup, those games with terrible outdated controls sure are amazing.

Samtemdo8:

I am starting to think Timesplitters 2 is the most overrated game ever.

:(

Sorry man, Perfect Dark was better in everyway than Goldeneye 64.

Disagree.

Perfect Dark surpasses GoldenEye in a no. of aspects, true - better presentation, better multiplayer, more varied mechanics (e.g. the secondary weapon functions), etc. However, Perfect Dark, as much as I like it, has two key problems for me. One of them is that a no. of its levels are just a drag to get through (e.g. the Canadian wilderness one, followed by the Pelagic levels). With GoldenEye, almost every level is a good one (except for Surface 2 - bleh). Also, its story. Now, its story is certainly presented better than GoldenEye, and more in-depth, but to get it you basically need to do a bunch of reading at the end of the story in the CI hub, that explains the skedar's motivations and the history of the maians. Almost none of this is conveyed in the narrative itself. This isn't good storytelling, this is just reading. GoldenEye has a far more simple story, but it's far better integrated.

Why is Frontline better than Allied Assualt?

-Better presentation (compare the two Normandy levels)

-Better story (not that Frontline is some masterpiece, but all of its missions bar Normandy follow a single narrative, whereas Frontline has far less interconnectivity)

-Better music (not that Allied Assault is a slouch in this, but I find the Frontline music to be far more memorable)

-Generally more enjoyable (Frontline has a bit more variety in its missions, and is bereft of the BS Sniper Alley/Ardennes levels of Allied Assault)

I generally like Allied Assault, but do find it overrated when compared to other entries in the series (e.g. Frontline and Pacific Assault)

1942 is good but also really dated. I hope the next one is a WW2 Battlefield.

Because that's what the world needs, another WWII game. :(

On the other hand, if BF went back to WWII, does that mean CoD would tackle WWI? 0_0

What's your beef with Doom 2?

Every Doom game I've played, with the exception of Doom 2, has been somewhat unique in the context of its series. Doom 1/3/2016 all do different things. Doom 2 is simply more of the same of Doom 1. It does add some monsters and weapons, but that isn't enough to defeat the feeling of monotomy.

Also, I find that Doom 1 is presented better. Now, Doom 1 is hardly a masterpiece of storytelling, but there's at least something interesting going on in its settings. We start with Phobos (a purely human environment), go to Deimos (where Hell is starting to overtake the base), and then Hell itself. It's a nice case of visual storytelling. Doom 2 lacks any of this, and all of its bridging story is told via text.

Doom 2 isn't bad, but it's easily my least favorite installment of the series.

Halo 2, Best Halo Multiplayer ever.

Cough*Halo 3*Cough

Goldeneye 64, I just wish a new shooter replicates its campaign better.

Didn't they try that and fail?

Halo 1 is now officially dated to me.

Some of its mechanics, but the PC multiplayer was a blast. Also, of the original games, there isn't a single dud level in its singleplayer, which is more than I can say for H2 or H3.

Bioshock 1, the one thing that ruins the game for me is the shooting feels like shit.

The shooting isn't that good, but it does have a charm of its own. It makes every encounter potentially lethal, given how fast the splicers move and/or how much damage they can take.

I never thought I see anyone liking Doom 3 at all here.

You obviously don't know me that well - Doom 3's always been my favorite Doom game. Gets a spot on my top ten FPS list.

Halo 3 had the best campaign in terms of gameplay. More sandboxy than 1 and 2.

It's sandboxy on only a few select levels.

I certainly enjoy Halo 3's gameplay, both campaign and multiplayer, but on those fronts it's surpassed by H1 and Reach.

Halo: Reach was wasted opportunity.

Um, how?

Never played Halo 5 but gameplay wise its seems to be a much more better and polished Halo 4.

It is.

Course, most games in the series are better than Halo 4, so go figure.

Battlefield 2 is one of those games I feel I completely missed out due to not having a good PC and internet service at the time.

You did. 1942 was fun, but B2 was just that more refined.

Unfortunately the servers are down, so good luck getting multiplayer.

Hawki:
Well, everyone's entitled to my opinion, so in regards to the entries I've played:

46: Star Wars: Battlefront II (always saw this as being more of a TPS. Anyway, this was fun, but, well, just fun. I get everyone hates EA's Battlefront games, but I never thought the original games were that special either.)

36: TimeSplitters II (no idea if this holds up, but an absolute blast back in the day)

31: Call of Duty (played about 5 minutes of the campaign in an Internet cafe years and years ago, so...yay?)

30: Perfect Dark (I think GoldenEye is superior (least in singleplayer), but pretty good game)

29: Medal of Honour: Frontline (best MoH game)

28: Battlefield 1942 (yep, pretty much)

27: Doom II (no. Just no. Heck, even Doom 2016 is better than this)

21: Fallout 3 (never played much of this, saw it as more of an RPG with shooter elements than an FPS in its own right. Anyway, not my thing.)

16: Metroid Prime (see above)

15: Counter-Strike (I get why it's here, but I've never been into Counter-Strike. Maybe it's because I suck at it.)

13: Half-Life 2 (overrated! Decent, and a net positive, but not the masterpiece people make it out to be)

12: Halo 2 (took us this long for a Halo entry? Well, not as fond of Halo 2 as other Halo entries, but I get why it's here, given the jump in multiplayer it had)

9: GoldenEye 007 (surprised it's this high, but hey, can't complain)

7: Halo: Combat Evolved (#1 FPS of all time)

5: BioShock (not the #1 FPS, but still a damn good game. However, since when were audio diaries a negative narrative trend?)

1: Doom (not my #1 FPS either, but I get why it's here. I think it's held up reasonably well)

So, 16/50. Um, yay?

Also, bad list missed the following games:

-Halo 5: Guardians
-Doom 3
-Killzone 2
-Halo 3
-Halo: Reach
-Battlefield 2

I find it very interesting that you are a big Halo fan and also gave Killzone 2 props. I agree the latter deserves a nod for presentation, physics, and its generally visceral nature. Before Killzone 2 the closest thing to its style was Black, which also deserves a spot.

Hawki:

21: Fallout 3 (never played much of this, saw it as more of an RPG with shooter elements than an FPS in its own right. Anyway, not my thing.)

Fallout 3 was a fucking terrible shooter. It was a middling RPG. It did neither well, but it was a much better RPG than a shooter. It's seriously close to being unplayable as a shooter. The only reason anyone beat that game was V.A.T.S., which defeated the point of making it a shooter at all. Fun game, paved the way for the much better New Vegas, but ultimately, the only thing it got right was the atmosphere.

OP: Why is Battlefield 3 (I.E. the worst Battlefield game) on the list but Bad Company 2 isn't? Bad Company 2 is obviously superior in all ways that matter. Plus, you know, it ran day one and PC players didn't have to fuck with Battlelog.

As much as I love Half-Life 2, it really wasn't that great a shooter. Like Battlefront 2, I think it gets a free pass because of nostalgia and fanboyism. Great game, technically well executed, but an average shooter. When I want to play an FPS, it's not my first pick.

I'm also not convinced that Metro 2033 was that good. The Redux was and fixed most of the glaring mechanical problems, but the original game was broken in more ways that one. I think, like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (though not as good), the Metro series is well liked mostly because it was novel.

Speaking of novel, I really think that Planetside 2 should be on the list. Yes, it's not perfect and arguably pay-to-win, but I've never played a game like it before or since. I have a lot of fond memories of really fantastically epic battles.

Far Cry 2?
In the top 5 of ANYONE'S list?

Fuck yes!

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who thought it was a great game...
Sure, the story is meh, but the gunplay+environment was what made the game!

As for my opinions on the list... I don't think Halo 1+2 together deserved to be that high... (Then again, I never got the whole "Halo" thing)

Happy to see the Metro games there too. STALKER got it's standard mention as "honourable"
Don't know how Left 4 Dead 1 is so high, but L4D2 isn't... Since they patched all the L4D maps into L4D2...

Since it was mostly a Nostalgia dump I kinda hoped to see RoTT... As that was my personal favourite from the 90's game bin...

Also; WHERE IS PAINKILLER!?!
That's it, I'm done...

Glad to see STALKER make the cut, but why SoC? Call of Pripyat improved on it in every single way....

hanselthecaretaker:

I find it very interesting that you are a big Halo fan and also gave Killzone 2 props. I agree the latter deserves a nod for presentation, physics, and its generally visceral nature. Before Killzone 2 the closest thing to its style was Black, which also deserves a spot.

I know that Killzone was touted as a "Halo killer" back in the day, but while they're supposed to be rivals, I enjoy both franchises. Both offer different experiences both narratively and mechanically, and I can enjoy them for separate reasons. Still like Halo more at the end of the day, but Killzone is a fun series as well (granted, only played KZ1, Liberation, and 2, so I can't comment too much on the games beyond that).

Ironman126:

OP: Why is Battlefield 3 (I.E. the worst Battlefield game) on the list but Bad Company 2 isn't? Bad Company 2 is obviously superior in all ways that matter. Plus, you know, it ran day one and PC players didn't have to fuck with Battlelog.

Worse than Modern Combat?

Snark aside, I thought that people generally preferred BF3 to 4, but the last Battlefield game I played was Bad Company, so go figure.

Smithnikov:
Glad to see STALKER make the cut, but why SoC? Call of Pripyat improved on it in every single way....

The consensus as I understand it, is that while CoP was mechanically and visually better, it did not have as interesting a plot or atmosphere. When I think S.T.A.L.K.E.R., I think SoC, the "wish-granting" monolith, the mind scorcher, and Strelok, not a botch military operation.

Hawki:

Ironman126:

OP: Why is Battlefield 3 (I.E. the worst Battlefield game) on the list but Bad Company 2 isn't? Bad Company 2 is obviously superior in all ways that matter. Plus, you know, it ran day one and PC players didn't have to fuck with Battlelog.

Worse than Modern Combat?

Snark aside, I thought that people generally preferred BF3 to 4, but the last Battlefield game I played was Bad Company, so go figure.

Was Modern Combat bad? I legitimately have never even heard of it, which I suppose is telling.

Never played BF4, either, but I know it had some pretty horrific netcode issues and other launch problems. BF3, however, promised much, but delivered little, especially compared to Bad Company 2, which immediately preceded it.

OP: I also totally forgot about the Red Orchestra and Arma series, which should be on the list. Probably towards the bottom because those games are not for everyone.

Ironman126:

Was Modern Combat bad? I legitimately have never even heard of it, which I suppose is telling.

Basically a watered down version of Battlefield 2. Singleplayer basically popped you in maps lifted from multiplayer, with the illusion of a narrative, but really nothing deeper than "you, kill the enemy."

FEAR is no 49? but overrated FPS like Halo and COD4 are in top 5?? Bioshock over SYSTEM SHOCK 2???? what?? the poor mans rip off is better than actual game??

list is not that bad but ranking is awful. FEAR still have best shooting mechanic of all time.

How is Bioshock Infinite lower on this list than Bioshock 2? Why is Bioshock 2 even on that list? Far Cry 3 would have been a better fit. Also if you're going to put a Fallout game on an FPS list why go with 3? New Vegas was much better and the shooting actual worked in New Vegas.

Smithnikov:
Glad to see STALKER make the cut, but why SoC? Call of Pripyat improved on it in every single way....

Call of pripyat is no where near as good as Shadow of Chernoboyl. COP has too much moving around and its world is way too smaller. clear sky was pretty bad.

none of Stalker games are close to SOC. Stalker SOC is too low in list. it should be in top 5 FPS.

Meh, it's a listicle. What did you all expect?

For me, it's an okay list. A few changes here and there and it'd be mostly in alignment with my own.

Though Halo 2 being above Half-Life 2 and a few others is just baffling, no matter how you look at it.

~ Halo 2 was trash. I know I'll get a lot of flak from 'true' Halo fans, but it really didn't leave me feeling as satisfied as any other game in the series did. The campaign was forgettable. They spent ages hyping up the story's move to Earth, yet you're there for, like, ten minutes. It had a worse ending than Half-Life 2: Episode 2. And its multiplayer wasn't really that ground-breaking nor great. And, bare in mind, I was one of those plebs who waited in line outside a Gamestop at midnight to get a copy.~

Silentpony:

Go back and play the original Doom. Its very clunky, very obtuse, the jumping is ass, and the soundtrack was terrible. Its like saying Pong is the best multiplayer game of all time, simply because it was the first.

....Its very clunky, very obtuse, the jumping is ass, and the soundtrack was terrible....

....the jumping is ass....

Wat...

Vigormortis:

Silentpony:
Go back and play the original Doom.
~snip~
....the jumping is ass....

Wat...

You don't actually have a jump button but there are a few spots where you have to 'jump' by running off your platform towards another platform. Then you have to stop before you run off the end of that platform. And forward/backward movement is bound to the mouse, so it's easy to fall off a platform anyway.

Fortunately most source ports let you disable the forward/backward mouse binding and some give you a jump button. Also, there isn't that much tricky platforming in the game. But it is indeed a flaw in the original game. Another source of fun is the infinite monster height that means they can stop you running off a cliff edge while standing at the bottom.

Hawki:

Basically a watered down version of Battlefield 2. Singleplayer basically popped you in maps lifted from multiplayer, with the illusion of a narrative, but really nothing deeper than "you, kill the enemy."

That sounds pretty similar to what Red Orchestra 2 does, but RO2 wasn't advertised as a singleplayer game.

not_you:
Far Cry 2?
In the top 5 of ANYONE'S list?

Fuck yes!

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who thought it was a great game...
Sure, the story is meh, but the gunplay+environment was what made the game!

As for my opinions on the list... I don't think Halo 1+2 together deserved to be that high... (Then again, I never got the whole "Halo" thing)

Happy to see the Metro games there too. STALKER got it's standard mention as "honourable"
Don't know how Left 4 Dead 1 is so high, but L4D2 isn't... Since they patched all the L4D maps into L4D2...

Since it was mostly a Nostalgia dump I kinda hoped to see RoTT... As that was my personal favourite from the 90's game bin...

Also; WHERE IS PAINKILLER!?!
That's it, I'm done...

Farcry 2, there's an interesting one.
Your character has malaria, and has to take a pill every time a fever flares up.

which started as an interesting story/game mechanic, but soon turned in a bit of a bother and later on when you ran out of pills in a downride nuisance.

Silentpony:
Eh, I can't take these 'I'm a real gamer, see I made the first Doom game the best FPS EVAR!' lists seriously.
Go back and play the original Doom. Its very clunky, very obtuse, the jumping is ass, and the soundtrack was terrible. Its like saying Pong is the best multiplayer game of all time, simply because it was the first.

Bioshock is better than the original Doom in every way. As is Doom 2016. Duke Nukem, Hexen, Bioshock Infinite, etc...all better. Hell most of that list is better than the Original Doom. I'd have put it at either 49 or 50

I went back and played Doom and I couldn't disagree with you more. I love the soundtrack (its helps that I'm into sludge metal) and the lack of jumping, fast run, mechanics, etc... at this point, is a nice change of pace.
Also, when you consider the "best FPSs of all time", you should consider how influential the game was/is, shouldn't you?

B-Cell:
FEAR is no 49? but overrated FPS like Halo and COD4 are in top 5?? Bioshock over SYSTEM SHOCK 2???? what?? the poor mans rip off is better than actual game??

list is not that bad but ranking is awful. FEAR still have best shooting mechanic of all time.

It depends if your talking back in the day or how they feel now. Bioshock feels and plays way better than SS2. I replayed the later last year, and it felt awful. But then Half-Life doesn't hold up anymore either...

not_you:
Far Cry 2?
In the top 5 of ANYONE'S list?

Fuck yes!

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who thought it was a great game...
Sure, the story is meh, but the gunplay+environment was what made the game!

I loved it but thinking about the story... it doesn't make sense. Also, opponents can snipe you from anywhere, through anything

I'm sorry, no. Rating Bioshock ANYTHING over System Shock ANYTHING is just a sign of not having a clue. Bioshock was a pale, narrow imitation of its predecessor series, linear and shallow.

not_you:
Far Cry 2?
In the top 5 of ANYONE'S list?

Fuck yes!

I liked Far Cry 2, but it was also a buggy mess, the weapon degradation was horrendous (some weapons would visibly degrade from one shot), and you couldn't spend five minutes enjoying the scenery without some asshat in a car or boat coming to ruin your day no matter how many of them you gunned down. I wasn't too big on FC3 (Jason Brody is a shithead), but at least clearing territory in that game produced results.

Bad Jim:

Vigormortis:

Silentpony:
Go back and play the original Doom.
~snip~
....the jumping is ass....

Wat...

You don't actually have a jump button but there are a few spots where you have to 'jump' by running off your platform towards another platform. Then you have to stop before you run off the end of that platform. And forward/backward movement is bound to the mouse, so it's easy to fall off a platform anyway.

Who the hell used the mouse to move in Doom?! For fine aim left and right, sure, but most people I knew used the arrow keys. In fact, all you really needed were the arrow keys, space bar, left control and shift, and the number keys. (and maybe tab or M)

Fortunately most source ports let you disable the forward/backward mouse binding

You could do that in the original too. You could alter all of the controls.

and some give you a jump button.

As far as I'm aware, only those that run their own engine. I.E. Skulltag, et al.

Though...god damn does having the ability to actually jump trivialize some of the maps, puzzles, and challenges of the first two games. There's an early map in Doom 2 that you can beat in seconds, literally skipping 90+% of the map, simply by jumping up onto a three foot high ledge.

Also, there isn't that much tricky platforming in the game. But it is indeed a flaw in the original game.

I don't know that I'd call it a flaw. 'Course, I've never been sympathetic to the complaints about platforming in first person. I was always a natural at it, so it's hard for me to grasp the apparent difficulty people seem to have.

Not to say I discount those complaints, just that I can't appreciate them.

Another source of fun is the infinite monster height that means they can stop you running off a cliff edge while standing at the bottom.

I wouldn't really call that fun. Maddeningly infuriating, maybe.

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