Particulate: I'd like to see a different area entirely. Why not China? That could be an interesting take for the series and be able to show the non-american side of the aftermath.
That won't cause any racism at all.....
Well think about it. If the game was set in China, after the war and during the same period as Fallout 3 and New Vegas.... then the main character would be chinese as well. Fallout 3 had racism, look at all the propaganda and that would hardly change by setting things in China. And DLC could take the player to Japan, the jungles of south asia (Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, etc), or even Russia.
But it wouldn't be like Homefront which, aside from being an utterly preposterous scenario, painted the Koreans as one step short of the Galactic Empire and provided no alternate viewpoint.
SalamanderJoe: I still want Fallout:London with a ghoul Royal Family ruling over the city with mutated corgis.
Wouldn't work. The Fallout series has worked in the United States because there is a slim but omnipresent chance of people managing to survive a nuclear war for sufficient time to try to rebuild some sort of society. With Britain having the densest spread of potential nuclear targets in the world, the country would be largely annihilated with the effect of the bombs, let alone the starvation and disease which would follow.
In fact, there are perhaps two developed countries besides the United States where a Fallout game could be plausibly made: Australia and South Africa.
SalamanderJoe: I still want Fallout:London with a ghoul Royal Family ruling over the city with mutated corgis.
Wouldn't work. The Fallout series has worked in the United States because there is a slim but omnipresent chance of people managing to survive a nuclear war for sufficient time to try to rebuild some sort of society. With Britain having the densest spread of potential nuclear targets in the world, the country would be largely annihilated with the effect of the bombs, let alone the starvation and disease which would follow.
In fact, there are perhaps two developed countries besides the United States where a Fallout game could be plausibly made: Australia and South Africa.
I was going to counter your statement, but then I realized you said developed, in any case I doubt South America wouldnt even notice the Fallout of a Nuclear War.
SalamanderJoe: I still want Fallout:London with a ghoul Royal Family ruling over the city with mutated corgis.
They already have mutated corgis, they're called Deathclaws.
It would be nice if someone else made Fallout 4, Bethesda has proven time and time again that they couldn't write stable code if their lives depended on it.
Hey there escapist, I found this trailer for fallout 4, and it looks fairly real, I'm skeptical though. Do you you think this is real? Or a well made fake?
If you think this is real, do you like that its set in the west coast again? I think it would be alright, but the BoS would HAVE to show up if it's set in California, and The brotherhood is getting pretty old.
But I still like the idea of going through the streets of San Francisco, epically if the game will be made with Bethesda's new engine.
what do you guys and gals think?
1. San Fransisco is sunny in fallout, not shrouded in muck. 2. The enclave sign on that sign is bullshit. The only Enclave presence in San Fransisco was the oil tanker. 3. San Fransisco has inhabitants, and not another DC. 4. San Fransisco was already covered in Fallout 2. 5. Everything looks the same. The Gamebryo engine cannot be used again because there is no one left to license it.
SalamanderJoe: I still want Fallout:London with a ghoul Royal Family ruling over the city with mutated corgis.
OK, that settles it: I'll never buy another Fallout game until they make this.
Seriously - LONDON!
Cobbled streets! Ancient masonry! A vast network of underground tunnels! (Much like the subways from Fallout 3, only bigger and MUCH more varied!) Junkyards overflowing with the rusting remains from 500 years of industrial development! Dark, fog-shrouded alleys patrolled by mutant corgies (orange-furred Yao Guai?) who see EVERYTHING THAT MOVES as a threat to their mouldy masters!
It will probably be the closest possible thing to post-apocalyptic steampunk! AND we'll finally see what's happening outside the USA!
Fallout kinda needs to take place in America. It's seeped in so much 50's American culture that changing now would be a death sentence on the series, the reason for this being that much of the art direction is based on the 1950s American idea of the future. Uprooting it would wipe the slate clean, and Fallout fans would hate that immensely.
Basically it wouldn't work because there is an established sense of identity in the Fallout version of America, which really wouldn't work outside the United States.
Ubermetalhed: Fake. Besides the US has been done to much. Time to take the series abroad.
Agreed. US has become too... re-civilized at this point. My vote goes to Japan instead of Europe as it would have probably gotten nuked by China and possibly us too if those Chinese commie scum were actually making landfall there.
Akisa: Fallout 4 was released, it's just called New Vegas >.>
Technically, that would be Fallout 5. Everyone forgets about Tactics. I think there was also a Brotherhood of Steel game on the PS2 so that would make New Vegas #6
GentlemanFist: Fallout kinda needs to take place in America. It's seeped in so much 50's American culture that changing now would be a death sentence on the series, the reason for this being that much of the art direction is based on the 1950s American idea of the future. Uprooting it would wipe the slate clean, and Fallout fans would hate that immensely.
Basically it wouldn't work because there is an established sense of identity in the Fallout version of America, which really wouldn't work outside the United States.
I agree. The only other country I think might work is Canada and that's because there could still be themes of strong Americanism, considering that Canada was annexed by the states. The 1950's American culture of Fallout has a slight propaganda craze, just imagine how much pro-American propaganda would be in a recently annexed country.
I think it would be slightly different without changing the theme much, like you said. That and it might be nice to have some different terrain.
Theron Julius: San Fransisco has nothing to offer. They should go to Alaska. A change from arid desert to frozen wasteland would be interesting. Plus you could have mutant yeti-like monsters. What's more awesome than shooting yetis?
I was thinking something like that. Or maybe Detroit and southern Michigan putting the "winter" back in nuclear winter lol
characterA: havent we already visited the west coast throught the eyes of fallout before? characterb:why yes we have it was called Fallout tactics and it was awesome
I would like to see what the rest of the world looks like. Maybe they should set it in a different country. Unless there is some kind of lore reason not to move it to another country.
People keep saying it must be taken abroad. Perhaps this will happen, but China, Japan and Russia are all out. Wherever they take it would be a native english-speaking country so as to avoid the silly accent solution, the subtitle solution, the usual "everyone just speaks english everywhere on the planet anyways" solution and still not change markets. As mentioned above, South Africa and Australia would be likely candidates.
Another thing is that they want landmarks that the players will be familiar with. This was what made DC so perfect.
USA is such a good choice still. Americans love it because it's familiar, and the rest of us love it because we like seeing the US burning :)
Now, this is going to be the thermonuclear bomb of all video game/politics/moral warrior outrage...but I'd like to see a Fallout game done in the deep South. Practically anywhere along the Gulf would be awesome, but I'm eyeballing Houston, New Orleans, or the Everglades as prime candidates. Heck, with a New Orleans setting in Skyrim's engine you could make the game's map the Mississippi delta and a good chunk upriver. Just imagine what the guys responsible for the flora and fauna in Morrowind could do in a nuclear post-apocalyptic game set in the Everglades.
It would be a great idea to completely take the piss on FO2/NV standbys, by having a New Confederacy that embraces slavery and antebellum culture juxtaposed with retro-futurist aesthetics, tribals and "raiders" who make up an underground railroad and embrace technology in the absence of the BoS, mutant rednecks a la Point Lookout, and even some hilariously-mutated animals...mutant opossum or armadillo, anyone?
Heck, even deconstruct the typical FO origins and such. The southern Vault Dwellers were the ones who built the New Confederacy, and the PC is a slave who escapes somehow. That could let the player select race opposed to being forced to play human.
Either way, I don't really care as long as they add vehicles and vehicular combat. Heh.
No. Setting Fallout in another country would ruin the series trademark feel of "Hey look it's american dream gone awry". And that exact feel makes Fallout stand out from other RPG's.
If a Fallout's going to be set in another country, I could only imagine it either being Canada (Toronto's been mentioned in Fallout 3) or parts of Mexico if it takes place in the desert again. One of the key aspects of Fallout is the heavy use of post-war/space age American culture, and it wouldn't be Fallout without that.
As for the trailer, I didn't think it looked that good (not that bad either, just not professional quality), and the #1 thing that made it an obvious fake, at least for me, was that they used the old Spiderman font PLAYSTATION3 logo at the end, which hasn't been in use for almost two years.
ultrachicken: Fake, and I'd like to see the next Fallout set in China. Show the other side of the story.
Also, incorporating a frozen wasteland in there would be cool, too.
The entire point of Fallout is America after the end of the world, there wont ever be a Fallout set in another country
The entire point of Fallout is exploring a post apocalyptic wasteland and interacting with the inhabitants. People can scream about how all Fallouts have been in America thus far, and therefore all Fallouts should be, but the truth is the setting of America does not offer anything new at this point. It has grown stale, and I think a change would be nice.
adamson1000: Fallout New Vegas was not Fallout 4, it was a spin off. Kind of like how Battlefield Bad Company 1 and 2 are both spin offs of the Battlefield series.
Fallout: New Vegas had more similarities to the originals than Fallout 3 ever did. It deserves to be called Fallout 3, and Fallout 3 should be Fallout: Capital Wasteland.
Who Dares Wins: So obviously fake it hurts. I'm going to list some points why.
1. It's in Gamebryo, Bethesda made the Creation Engine that will be used in all of their games 2. They're already making Skyrim, no way they can juggle two big projects 3. It's obviously just made in the GECK and then just filmed 4. Doesn't follow the Fallout trailer tradition 5. San Fransisco is fucking THRIVING, seriously, it was going great in 2 and after the GECK it only got better 6. The fact that the road sign points to Washington and Las Vegas is ridiculous 7. Fallout 3 and 4 won't be released so close together (5 years difference between ES IV and V)
Fake. I grant that the author has skills, but...
8. I don't know about you guys, but the video I just saw was buggy. 9. Music was bugged or just wrong - probably both as he didn't want to get sued 10. See #4, Bethesda love to use upbeat and happy music - then pull a bleak reveal. Wonderfully dark humor. Totally missing here. 11. The choice of imagery was (sorry lad) unimaginative. What were we looking at, the Brotherhood-of-Steel-Bluesmobile? 12. It's on YouTube.
Also, I don't agree with #7. And it will be relatively soon. Not this year as they appear to still be milking FO:NV for DLC, but soon. It will be even more console-friendly, and I fully expect to hate the PC version. I'm not looking to pick that fight here. I'm just saying that seems to be "the way of things."
ultrachicken: Fake, and I'd like to see the next Fallout set in China. Show the other side of the story.
Also, incorporating a frozen wasteland in there would be cool, too.
The entire point of Fallout is America after the end of the world, there wont ever be a Fallout set in another country
The entire point of Fallout is exploring a post apocalyptic wasteland and interacting with the inhabitants. People can scream about how all Fallouts have been in America thus far, and therefore all Fallouts should be, but the truth is the setting of America does not offer anything new at this point. It has grown stale, and I think a change would be nice.
Im just stating the facts, the fallout series was based on the nuclear fears of the 50's and 60's in America, having it set in another country means that it wouldnt be Fallout anymore. Im not saying I wouldnt like to see a Fallout in a different country, that could be interesting, im just saying that it wont happen.
The entire point of Fallout is America after the end of the world, there wont ever be a Fallout set in another country
The entire point of Fallout is exploring a post apocalyptic wasteland and interacting with the inhabitants. People can scream about how all Fallouts have been in America thus far, and therefore all Fallouts should be, but the truth is the setting of America does not offer anything new at this point. It has grown stale, and I think a change would be nice.
Im just stating the facts, the fallout series was based on the nuclear fears of the 50's and 60's in America, having it set in another country means that it wouldnt be Fallout anymore. Im not saying I wouldnt like to see a Fallout in a different country, that could be interesting, im just saying that it wont happen.
They actually tried to have a fallout in China, but it was canceled because it made no sense at all. It was called Fallout: Extreme, and covered a war between a wannabe Chinese Emperor against the California BOS. The Chinese were angry about how they threw everything they got, but they were worse off even if they were only hit with a portion of America's nukes. Someone later became a wannabe emperor at the forbidden city, and started construction of nuclear weapons so they could strike the only hope America had at the time, the California BOS. It was set before fallout 2 and tactics, so the NCR didn't exist yet and the BOS didn't break and spread across the U.S either. The BOS sent troopers up through Alaska and onto the Chinese mainland where the PC would have a final fallout 1 master-esque battle with the emperor at the forbidden city to save the American wasteland from the new Chinese threat.
ultrachicken: The entire point of Fallout is exploring a post apocalyptic wasteland and interacting with the inhabitants. People can scream about how all Fallouts have been in America thus far, and therefore all Fallouts should be, but the truth is the setting of America does not offer anything new at this point. It has grown stale, and I think a change would be nice.
Im just stating the facts, the fallout series was based on the nuclear fears of the 50's and 60's in America, having it set in another country means that it wouldnt be Fallout anymore. Im not saying I wouldnt like to see a Fallout in a different country, that could be interesting, im just saying that it wont happen.
They actually tried to have a fallout in China, but it was canceled because it made no sense at all. It was called Fallout: Extreme, and covered a war between a wannabe Chinese Emperor against the California BOS. The Chinese were angry about how they threw everything they got, but they were worse off even if they were only hit with a portion of America's nukes. Someone later became a wannabe emperor at the forbidden city, and started construction of nuclear weapons so they could strike the only hope America had at the time, the California BOS. It was set before fallout 2 and tactics, so the NCR didn't exist yet and the BOS didn't break and spread across the U.S either. The BOS sent troopers up through Alaska and onto the Chinese mainland where the PC would have a final fallout 1 master-esque battle with the emperor at the forbidden city to save the American wasteland from the new Chinese threat.
As I said, it makes no damn sense.
The hell did i just read? That doesnt make sense, If a fallout in a country did happen it would need to have no connections to the previous fallouts, all the creatures and organizations only exist in America. Just another reason why Fallout just works so much better is that it has more impact when you see a nation and its great monuments that everyones heard of or seen reduced to rubble. China wouldnt have that impact because many more people in the world can relate to America much better. The Escapist did an article on it a while back but i cant remember its name for the life of me
Im just stating the facts, the fallout series was based on the nuclear fears of the 50's and 60's in America, having it set in another country means that it wouldnt be Fallout anymore. Im not saying I wouldnt like to see a Fallout in a different country, that could be interesting, im just saying that it wont happen.
They actually tried to have a fallout in China, but it was canceled because it made no sense at all. It was called Fallout: Extreme, and covered a war between a wannabe Chinese Emperor against the California BOS. The Chinese were angry about how they threw everything they got, but they were worse off even if they were only hit with a portion of America's nukes. Someone later became a wannabe emperor at the forbidden city, and started construction of nuclear weapons so they could strike the only hope America had at the time, the California BOS. It was set before fallout 2 and tactics, so the NCR didn't exist yet and the BOS didn't break and spread across the U.S either. The BOS sent troopers up through Alaska and onto the Chinese mainland where the PC would have a final fallout 1 master-esque battle with the emperor at the forbidden city to save the American wasteland from the new Chinese threat.
As I said, it makes no damn sense.
The hell did i just read? That doesnt make sense, If a fallout in a country did happen it would need to have no connections to the previous fallouts, all the creatures and organizations only exist in America. Just another reason why Fallout just works so much better is that it has more impact when you see a nation and its great monuments that everyones heard of or seen reduced to rubble. China wouldnt have that impact because many more people in the world can relate to America much better. The Escapist did an article on it a while back but i cant remember its name for the life of me
Exactly, it was so bad it was kept secret until 2010 which was well after Interplay fell to pieces. Keep in mind this was the ORIGINAL Fallout: BOS before they decided to do Fallout: BOS. To be honest, I would much rather have Fallout: Extreme because its more 1960s batman level of absurdity then FO:BOS's embarrassing "Interplay is whoring us out against our will" vibe.
My mistake, It was after Tactics, and the Chicago brotherhood was fighting the Chinese instead of the California BOS.
it's fake, but I gotta say what I'm most looking forward to in Fallout 4 at least at this second, is another real intro by Ron Perlman. New Vegas's intro was too focused on the politics of vegas, and didn't seem like a regular fallout intro. I can't wait to hear Ron Perlman's silky chocolate voice wax on about the futility of war and man's inhumanity to man... cause war..
Well think about it. If the game was set in China, after the war and during the same period as Fallout 3 and New Vegas.... then the main character would be chinese as well. Fallout 3 had racism, look at all the propaganda and that would hardly change by setting things in China. And DLC could take the player to Japan, the jungles of south asia (Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, etc), or even Russia.
But it wouldn't be like Homefront which, aside from being an utterly preposterous scenario, painted the Koreans as one step short of the Galactic Empire and provided no alternate viewpoint.