Bioware forums explode as Mass Effect 3 ending details are leaked. *MINOR SPOILERS*

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Soviet Heavy:

Canadish:
Need proof? Screen shot time baby!

Dude, I might be one of the detractors, but for your own sanity, spoiler those things.

I have a troll quota to hit! I can't work with conditions like this!

But I suppose you are correct ;)

Some spoilers below, but nothing which should be too major given this thread:

I think Bioware has definatly shown they have lost their touch. Going from quality RPGs to shooters and brawlers with cinematics, and now increasingly bad writing in some of their strongest franchises. I had my problems with the story in DA2, but this seems to be even worse on so many levels that I'm kind of shocked that the same people who did the first two games wrote it.

THAT said, I think what your looking at is EA's influance here. See, Bioware itself tended to be smart enough to know when a story was over and wrap things up properly and leave them. A good example would be Jade Empire, a game that was pretty well self contained, and proabably would have suffered if they attempted to turn it into a trilogy or full franchise. As a result they seemed to pretty much leave it to stand on it's own, figuring it would only be re-visited if some serious lightning struck.

When Mas Effect was originally planned there seemed to be an intention that they were going to do THAT story and not worry about turning it into a huge franchise. As the series succeeded though you'll notice things very rapidly switched to comments about how the triology would not end the universe and how they planned to spin this into a huge franchise. While superficially good news to fans, it does tend to weaken an overall production as actual finality and wrapping things up might be sad, but it's usually for the best rather than dragging something on until it bcomes a mere shadow of itself and dies.

The endings we're looking at all seem like franchise starters, and probably weren't intended when the series was first conceived, hence an outcome that doesn't match the tone of the game.

From the perspective of wanting a franchise what these endings do are perfect. They remove the player created character from the universe as either being dead or vanished (ie a subtle implication of possible survival in some form from what I was reading), likewise it's possible that any of the Bioware created characters have lived, and as faces for the series could thus be used in other products. The amount of damage having been done to the universe allows an excuse to pretty much re-write lore by saying this or that was lost, or one species didn't survive, or another came to unusual prominance, or whatever, without being tied to the balance carefully constructed to the codex. Basically they could toss out a lot of the trappings of Mass Effect (aliens, etc...) without have to worry about pesky canon since they gave themselves an excuse to ignore it and slap the Mass Effect name on something vaguely similar if need be while claiming connection.

It's a classic gimimick with salable fantasy worlds, it's obnoxious, but apocolypses are good for business, the guys doing D&D learned long ago that they can make bank by periodically wiping out The Forgotten Realms in order to change things around, and re-sell sourcebooks on the same regions without having to do a lot of work, or worry about have changes in game mechanics between editions might cause problems with how history turned out (ie due to the removal of, or changes to spells or the casting requirements thereof that were used to justify the feats of certain cities, or how things played out at specific times).

Basically you could call this the Ma$$ Effect ending, the story being wrapped up in the way that was the best for marketing.

Incidently EA and Bioware (and really I'm going to point fingers at EA calling the shots no matter what Bioware says, because things HAVE changed since they took over), have probably learbned from comic books, RPGs, and other things, that fanboys are stupid. An ending that pisses people off can be an absolute marketing goldmine, because rather than just turning their back on a franchise after saying "that sucks", fanboys will whine but buy all the products hoping they will eventually "fix" things or recapture the old magic. Periodically throw out a bone or a hint that effect, and you can sell even the lamest products and tie
in events.

Look at it this way, for all of the fan rage does anyone for a second believe that a substantial number of pre-orders were cancelled by these reveals. Heck, I'd even suspect the leak was done on purpose (which is why Bioware confirmed the original script and so on) because raging fanboys will tend to buy a product just to see if it's as bad as they were hearing so they will have something to QQ about.

Just watch, come the 6th, Mass Effect 3 won't exactly be a failure. What's more this last minute "spoiler" has generated hype, and plenty of people who otherwise might not be following it are now having their attention drawn.

So really, EA/Bioware is probably just sitting there hissing "Yeeesss, give me your hate" with Papaltine-like glee, as continue to leech your money in an ever expanding flow as a result. While eagerly anticipating the cash-sucking franchise they have just created an ideal set up for (blank slate of a world due to a canon apocolypse, with a well loved name attached).

If you want to make a differance, don't buy Mass Effect 3, make sure nobody you know buys it. Enough people do this, and EA/Bioware will actually get theirs for once. However the odds of anyone really cancelling the game over this, never mind enough people to matter.. pretty much non-existant. We fanboys are nothing if not predictable, which is exactly why we see people exploiting us this way. We're like farm animals being harvested, we might not like it, but we are incapable of altering the behaviors that put us in that position... or to be more fear we refuse to alter those behaviors, in part because of our own herd. We remember Mass Effect being a big social thing in our community, that everyone could talk about, and don't want to miss out on being there for that again, even if the community all hates on it now, it's being part of something.

Ah well, I'm rambling, but that's my diverse thoughts on the subject.

The reaction on their forum is so ridiculous that it's just plain funny. Foaming at the mouth rage is not called for at all (especially since they haven't played the game).

Well damn, I want a dpressing as hell ending. Well, maybe not THAT depressing, maybe bittersweet with alot of bitter, but plain happy ending just don't do it for me. I don't want anyone responding with spoilers, I want the end to be completely unknown, but I'm okay with knowing that it won't be a dues ex macihna "the protheans created some weapon that will destroy all teh reapers with a push of a button."

The nerd rage is just a bit overwhelming, I would have thought that if you were a devote fan of the series you would have wanted to see the end IN THE GAME instead of reading it from another anrgy fan who got the game earlier. Honestly it seems like these people WANT to rage at bioware.

I'll actually go out on a limb and say this:

For all the shit that's gone on with ME3, I like that they're going with a "Fuck You" ending.

That's pretty bold for an EA indoctrinated company.

Still not as much rage as I felt when i realized that Higurashi was going to have a happy ending.

Therumancer:
Long ass snip that I totally agree with.

I totally agree with you, and I've been thinking along the same lines lately.

Since EA ate up Bioware, they pumped out 2 different franchises. And, in terms of what type of games Bioware likes to make, choice based games, franchise potential really seems to run in the opposite direction.

Like you pointed out with Jade Empire, the game is completely self contained, no obvious plans for a sequel, thus it allowed your choices to have more meaning. When they plan things as a franchise, but still allow the player to make choices, then the choices have to either effect relatively unimportant things, or the choices have to be limited, or are just different ways to get to the same area.

So, the way I see it is that if they did want to make multiple games in a series, each game would have to be relatively self contained. Dragon Age 2 kinda did this, the storyline for that game only had tangential relation to Origins', but then they had the ending of DA2 completely set up a sequel, thus falling into the "different ways to get to the same area" thing.

And like you said, I have no doubts that we'll see more Mass Effect, probably an MMO, which I can already say I won't be getting since I don't care for those. And also like you said, the endings essentially make continuity a non issue.

The endings are bad, like NGE bad. As expected, the results are pretty similar as well.

You know, I think I would be okay with this if they didn't totally screw over the LIs as a whole. Shit can be totally bleak, but I want my Babycakes to snuggle up with when it's all said and done, or at least have it be possible in headcannon. I was not completely screwed over in ME2 with my LI only to be screwed over again.

Therumancer:

Just watch, come the 6th, Mass Effect 3 won't exactly be a failure. What's more this last minute "spoiler" has generated hype, and plenty of people who otherwise might not be following it are now having their attention drawn.

So really, EA/Bioware is probably just sitting there hissing "Yeeesss, give me your hate" with Papaltine-like glee, as continue to leech your money in an ever expanding flow as a result. While eagerly anticipating the cash-sucking franchise they have just created an ideal set up for (blank slate of a world due to a canon apocolypse, with a well loved name attached).

This is what I was exactly thinking when I read the title of the OP. It's such an obvious marketing schtick to draw in hype from people. And with the looks of the situation in their forums, its like Bioware WANTS their fans to hate them, but we all know that will never happen. Biodrones will continue to bend over, buy, and defend to the death any game by Bioware.

Anyways, from the looks of things it looks like Mass effect will be the new TOR in the future.

kman123:
Goddamnit...I really want to look at the ending but I also don't. Oh the moral dilemmas.

Um...I'm actually psyched. Depressing? FINALLY A GAME THAT HAS THE BALLS TO NOT PULL OUT THE BULLSHIT HAPPY ENDING!

There was Batman Arkham City, but I agree with what you're saying. I hate a forced happy ending. It's better to end it the way it should. Don't pull out your box of miracle and revive the guy like they did in the bible. End it.

So I was listening to some riffs with this topic open and it hits me. You know what this is like?

Yep, the bioware fans have gone insane with grief. Even has a saving the galaxy thing. It's just too perfect.

The endings are just so terrabad.

They are so god awful and theres a bug in the ending also apparently.

You know, I just tripped over this tonight and...I'm amazingly okay with the ending(s) being at best bittersweet. You don't get a shiny happy people rose-smelling buttocks ending when the game's about an entire galactic civilization burning. The thing I could say I'm remotely pissed about is,

But hey, on one hand them's the breaks for being a galactic-scale jackass. On the other hand, V'ger jokes.

I read them. Cancel your preorder if you haven't, seriously.

After 3 games, your choices mean nothing. It doesn't make any difference.

If you care about your LI, your crew, or your squad to any degree, cancel and wait for a serious price drop. It's gonna be $20 in Gamestop used within a week because there is no re-playability.

Welp, time to go fix my March Mayhem bracket.

lacktheknack:
Welp, time to go fix my March Mayhem bracket.

Yeah, I'm gonna have them being taken out by whoever is in the first round with them. The rage is going to kill them. Now there's only one good WRPG developer left: Bethesda.

Mimssy:
The reaction on their forum is so ridiculous that it's just plain funny. Foaming at the mouth rage is not called for at all (especially since they haven't played the game).

They've seen the streams, the images, read the accounts from people, read through the guides, watched the ending videos. Don't bury your head in the sand; they do know what's coming.

Omnific One:

lacktheknack:
Welp, time to go fix my March Mayhem bracket.

Yeah, I'm gonna have them being taken out by whoever is in the first round with them. The rage is going to kill them. Now there's only one good WRPG developer left: Bethesda.

No, I still have them in the semi-finals (again!). Because they're still going to outdo Professor Layton (too niche), Duke Nukem Forever (despised), inFamous (PS3 exclusive) and Battlefield (too much military FPS animosity around here).

lacktheknack:

Omnific One:

lacktheknack:
Welp, time to go fix my March Mayhem bracket.

Yeah, I'm gonna have them being taken out by whoever is in the first round with them. The rage is going to kill them. Now there's only one good WRPG developer left: Bethesda.

No, I still have them in the semi-finals (again!). Because they're still going to outdo Professor Layton (too niche), Duke Nukem Forever (despised), inFamous (I may be wrong) and Battlefield (too much military FPS animosity around here).

I doubt it, the number of raging Bioware fans there are going to be voting against Bioware is going to be overwhelming; it is seriously gonna be like Zynga last year. The endings are that bad.

Omnific One:

lacktheknack:

Omnific One:

Yeah, I'm gonna have them being taken out by whoever is in the first round with them. The rage is going to kill them. Now there's only one good WRPG developer left: Bethesda.

No, I still have them in the semi-finals (again!). Because they're still going to outdo Professor Layton (too niche), Duke Nukem Forever (despised), inFamous (I may be wrong) and Battlefield (too much military FPS animosity around here).

I doubt it, the number of raging Bioware fans there are going to be voting against Bioware is going to be overwhelming; it is seriously gonna be like Zynga last year. The endings are that bad.

Oh come now. The endings aren't THAT horrible.

Then again, I haven't actually played ME2 and won't play ME3. I'm voting Bioware purely because I liked DA:O and haven't played a single game from their (predicted by me) opponents. So maybe in context, they ARE that horrible.

Also, "year before last"*

lacktheknack:

Omnific One:

lacktheknack:

No, I still have them in the semi-finals (again!). Because they're still going to outdo Professor Layton (too niche), Duke Nukem Forever (despised), inFamous (I may be wrong) and Battlefield (too much military FPS animosity around here).

I doubt it, the number of raging Bioware fans there are going to be voting against Bioware is going to be overwhelming; it is seriously gonna be like Zynga last year. The endings are that bad.

Oh come now. The endings aren't THAT horrible.

Then again, I haven't actually played ME2 and won't play ME3. I'm voting Bioware purely because I liked DA:O and haven't played a single game from their (predicted by me) opponents. So maybe in context, they ARE that horrible.

Also, "year before last"*

And as someone who has read all the endings in depth and has played ME2, they are that horrible.

Omnific One:

I doubt it, the number of raging Bioware fans there are going to be voting against Bioware is going to be overwhelming; it is seriously gonna be like Zynga last year. The endings are that bad.

Nah, since the game's released so close to MM, I think people are still gonna be in the middle of playing it by the time voting time comes around.

I had them ranking in the semifinals before losing out to Riot.

RatRace123:

Omnific One:

I doubt it, the number of raging Bioware fans there are going to be voting against Bioware is going to be overwhelming; it is seriously gonna be like Zynga last year. The endings are that bad.

Nah, since the game's released so close to MM, I think people are still gonna be in the middle of playing it by the time voting time comes around.

I had them ranking in the semifinals before losing out to Riot.

Maybe, but a few days after launch, once people have hit the end, Bioware will go down in a blaze of "glory."

TopazFusion:

lacktheknack:
No, I still have them in the semi-finals (again!). Because they're still going to outdo Professor Layton (too niche), Duke Nukem Forever (despised), inFamous (PS3 exclusive) and Battlefield (too much military FPS animosity around here).

You forgot From Software. Dark Souls was very popular.

And, is the MM backlash really going to be this bad?

I figure it's too niche when going up against Battlefiled 3, which was also very popular with a broader choice of people.

And yes. Yes it will be. I may have to double my Minecraft Fury-n-Tears Meter for this.

RedEyesBlackGamer:
So there isn't an actual leaked script?

It's not even a script leak. It's a secondhand summary written by someone who allegedly played the game.

Yeah, that sounds real trustworthy. I call foul without actual evidence.

Argh how many times does this need to be explained.

The script leak has been around since November 2011. This leak we are talking about has come from data mining the demo and looking at the actual programming and script. It has also been confirmed by people who have played it.

It's not fake.

They've put up videos, streams, screenshots, accounts. And it all correlates.

IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE ME UNIVERSE IN THE SLIGHTEST, BESIDES TPS ACTION, CANCEL YOUR PREORDERS.

Omnific One:
And as someone who has read all the endings in depth and has played ME2, they are that horrible.

After reading more into it, what I'd be willing to bet cash Bioware/EA is going to release "happy ending" DLC. The scripted and datamined endings scream "this is what happens if you half-ass it and miss certain victory conditions [...which you can actually satisfy and get the happy ending for the low, low price of 1600MSP/160BWNP/$20!]".

SillyBear:
*This thread contains minor spoilers about the end. I intended it contain none, but people have been posting minor spoilers anyway.*

The Mass Effect 3 ending details have been data mined due to leaks/early copies and the results are not good at all. The majority of the members on the bioware forums have gone up in flames and are outraged. It's not pretty.

How far can Bioware/EA go to completely alienate their fans?

The fallout from Dragon Age 2 was bad enough. Then Mass Effect 3 DLC controversy was even worse. This looks like it could be the killer.

I don't want to include spoilers in this thread, but if you really want to know, go to the Bioware forums and look at the Mass Effect 3 spoiler thread. You can't miss it.

For those who are fine with very vague spoilers, but don't want to know the actual details:

Whilst not everyone is outraged at this, this could be enough to really hurt Bioware and force them into some strange DLC fix situation. From the looks of things, people aren't going to live this down.

For discussion:

What are your thoughts on Bioware? Why have they had their foot stuck in knee deep controversy for the last few years? Do you think the reaction to the endings will do serious damage?

So I had a look to see what was so bad about the endings.

At first, I thought they weren't so bad. Then I read further.

Ok, odd to have the other two choices aside from the obvious one, and I hope the ride in is enough to make it make sense. Then I read further.

Oh.

Oooh.

Oh I see.

Wow, people must be pretty pissed off.

Remember when people used to like Bioware?

"And that's how the Imperium of Man was made!"

Honestly the ending was going to be bittersweet at best, I would be more concerned about that glitch that's affecting the end if I was getting the game. If something like that was let though...

The thing that amazes me is precisely at what people are hacked off about. They're hacked off about what happens to love interests, the Normandy crew, and Shepard solely, and completely ignoring the bigger (at least, in my opinion) cause to be angry:

I mean, that's just lazy storytelling. God forbid the third game in the trilogy be about the long-term consequences of actions and choices undertaken as early as the first game in the series, and the final battle won on or lost the back of Shepard's work and choices rather than through a quick visit to Deus ex Machina-R-Us for MacGuffin du jour.

God forbid something like...oh, I don't know...sparing a misunderstood ancient alien race from extinction matter more than a plus-whatever to Marginally Better Cutscene that Doesn't Matter Anyway points.

Ok hands up who's played the game here and seen the endings? .... No one? Good! So no one knows how the endings are actually delivered and presented outside of text - there's a whole plethora of visual, emotional and musical cues that could make these 'awful' endings very poignant and excellent.

Also who's to say that these leaks show all the endings possible. How reliable is the source? How in depth is the source. Really we cannot know anything. This is not coming as a Bioware fan (I think being a fan of a developer is a bit foolish; I like games, not companies!) but out of pure common sense. Anyone (a lot of people in this thread and apparently all the Bioware forums) are imo complete idiots. ANYONE who is pissed because there is no happy 'lol, we all live happily ever after ending' and calls THAT bad storywriting clearly has no taste in storywriting.

I haven't spoiled the endings for myself (nor do I desire to), but I was not expecting a happy ending, nor should anyone have. It's unrealistic, it's cliche and its BORING! Real life disasters (as real life as an earth invasion by ancient sentient machines from space gets) don't have happy endings.

Nerds... gotta love 'em!

Seriously people, this is NOT YOUR GAME. It is designed by a company that sadly has been catering too much to the games' fans lately (Tali, FemShep) so of course now that something doesn't go the way these fans like, they get upset. This is mind-boggling to me, as it kind of makes me ashamed to be a gamer to see this much whining in the gaming community about a company's ballsy decision to f*ck the fanbase over in a sense.

If these endings are true, I for one appreciate them for what they are - sullen and partly tragic, such is life. Most of these gamers need to go out in to the real world and realize that.

Kahunaburger:

"BAAAWWWWW! I can't ride off into the sunset with my space waifu!"

THIS... My Shepard deserves her lots of little blue children! D:

I can draw only one conclusion;

Mass Effect, the first one, they got lucky with it. They dropped a four leaf clover out of a window and it landed on a horseshoe. That's all there is to it.

they have consistently faltered with the franchise since then. If you look back at everything related to it, its not hard to see just how lucky they were with the first one.

This is exactly why I refuse to watch any kind of trailers or look at any kind of info for this game. Looks like my plan worked!

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