3000 member EVE fight - What insanity looks like

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V8 Ninja:

*active/tired imagination gets best of me, start thinking about spaceships grinding*

I'm damn sure I've seen a .gif of Eve ships grinding somehwere before, actually. /shudder. Pretty sure it was the punchline of a joke about 'bumping' tactics.

skywolfblue:
That didn't crash the server completely?

from what ive read no. some people dis-co'd, and they crashed the DUST 514 server node (which is on TQ now btw)
but its better then the old days yes TiDi and better infrastructer

someone somewhere, eve-kill i think, Eve-Online; the only game with pvp so epic they crash a different game.

http://youtu.be/TLqb-m1ZZUA?t=6m

seriously, you could make a movie out of this

barbzilla:

rbstewart7263:

Ldude893:
This is what I have in mind when I imagine the most big-ass space battle of all time.

EVE Online is a game for insane grinders and virtual tycoons, and I won't even put a toe into that game. But man, just watching these players...

Dude Ive tried to get into it twice but while its so damned intriguing! I just cant let myself get into it really.

Same here, I think it is the barrier to entry issue. You have to spend at least a month getting yourself set up to run anything of value in the game and you are bored to tears the entire time (or at least I was). That being said, I have watched my buddy play this game for years now and I would love to get to the point where he is, as it looks like loads of fun.

Then you always have the option of just logging in only to train your character (since you don't have to grind to lv up), plus you can make use of the trial account to do this too, that or buy a character (if they still sell them on the Eve forums)

The game is as boring as fuck to play, but damn if I don't love reading about it. EVE is the only game that I really bat an eye when somebody posts a story about it. A new boss in rift or QQ botters in GW2, but 3000 people blowing each other up with huge sums of money in play, tons of fun to hear about.

Those screens are actual-framerate I'll bet.
+1 to EVE being more fun to hear about than actually play.

mooncalf:
Those screens are actual-framerate I'll bet.

It wasn't. =D Skip ahead to about half way, you'll see it was pretty stable, all things considered.

TrevHead:
^ This person gets it, been in a good corp and been creative in mindset to create your own fun is Eve. Sadly most ppl are tainted by other MMOs to understand this off the bat.

\

Actually, if I want the kind of fun involved in EVE, I'll go wearing a Klan outfit in the middle of Watts. It'll be roughly the same experience, an equal survival chance, and won't require me to have a computer to do so.

mooncalf:
Those screens are actual-framerate I'll bet.
+1 to EVE being more fun to hear about than actually play.

I gotta admit, EVE makes for some damned great stories and testimonies.

Then again, so does being in reflex competetion a rattlesnake roundup, but I've no desire to experience that personally either.

TrevHead:

Whoever takes EVE's depth and high stakes gameplay and puts them into a more action based game will take the world by storm.

So it'll be just like real world organized gang warfare; the old and connected having the majority of the spoils and fun while the newcomers get to spill their guts out uselessly for their sake. No thank you.

Cry Wolf:

mooncalf:
Those screens are actual-framerate I'll bet.

It wasn't. =D Skip ahead to about half way, you'll see it was pretty stable, all things considered.

I was only joking, but thanks for the footage!

GunsmithKitten:
I gotta admit, EVE makes for some damned great stories and testimonies.

Played it myself for a while and I did get some interesting stories out of it, it's just a really slow burn, you can't even call it a grind, it's like having a flower garden and taking pride in keeping out the weeds and making everything look pretty and making sure no insects come to spoil the party.

Christ! It remind me of at the end of Clone Wars (not the CGI, the Genndy Tartakovsky version) when they zoon out of Coruscant and you seen the massive space battle with the Republic and Separatists ships. The difference was there was only two ships types in the battle and it was spread out compared to EVE battle.

Cry Wolf:

I seem to remember a year ago (or perhaps two >.>) seing ~12 Titans lost in a single fight. The main power houses are extraordinarily rich these days.

Are you thinking of this maybe? Or maybe it was before then even. Most weeks only 2-3 super-caps at all get taken out :( And I think there were only 2 other big weeks since then
http://jestertrek.blogspot.de/2012/10/kill-of-week-expensive-week.html

deviltry:
There's still a problem, if you want to be a part of such massive battles, you have to work in EVE. And don't get paid.
Like people here posting how much real money it has costed...

It's not that bad, in fact if you work for a big alliance they'll just straight up give you money. Almost no-one who lost a ship in this battle will actually have to buy it back because their alliance will foot the bill for them. And the alliances make money from all their members from stuff like ratting and mining, so they don't need real money (but the idea is, if someone wanted to turn all that ISK into real money, they could have done if the chose)

In fact it's even more cool, most of the resources needed to build decent ships can only be found on certain moons, which are pretty rare and only found in certain regions. So all the big alliances formed a cartel and decided to fix prices amongst themselves and deliberately dig less than demand requires to raise prices =D So the CFC, who lost the most ships, invented this idea and has a crud load of moons, so they make oodles of money without even trying

Last time I heard anything about EVE, my friend's ship was blown up because he wasn't able to warp away from an enemy, who just happened to also move way too fast for his ship to target.

He lost a good few million credits and a good few hours of progress from his mistake there..

GunsmithKitten:

TrevHead:

Whoever takes EVE's depth and high stakes gameplay and puts them into a more action based game will take the world by storm.

So it'll be just like real world organized gang warfare; the old and connected having the majority of the spoils and fun while the newcomers get to spill their guts out uselessly for their sake. No thank you.

It's not that bad.

Most corporations, especially specialized ones like EVE university, will go out of their way to help new members.

How new you are doesn't really matter as long as you understand the basic gameplay (which is quite complicated). What matters is having friends.

Hell, a major turning point of EVE was the Goons (newcomers with lots of friends) beating Band of Brothers (the old and connected) by basically swamping them with tons of newish players in cheap ships.

That's not to say EVE's for everyone. It's obviously not. But being new isn't nearly the disadvantage many believe it to be.

Cry Wolf:

mooncalf:
Those screens are actual-framerate I'll bet.

It wasn't. =D Skip ahead to about half way, you'll see it was pretty stable, all things considered.

The video is actually sped up 90% hence why you hear him stop talking. he was only getting 10 fps from how overloaded the servers were. that video you see there was over 4-5 hours.

rbstewart7263:

Ldude893:
This is what I have in mind when I imagine the most big-ass space battle of all time.

EVE Online is a game for insane grinders and virtual tycoons, and I won't even put a toe into that game. But man, just watching these players...

Dude Ive tried to get into it twice but while its so damned intriguing! I just cant let myself get into it really.

Exactly the same here

FelixG:

barbzilla:

rbstewart7263:
Dude Ive tried to get into it twice but while its so damned intriguing! I just cant let myself get into it really.

Same here, I think it is the barrier to entry issue. You have to spend at least a month getting yourself set up to run anything of value in the game and you are bored to tears the entire time (or at least I was). That being said, I have watched my buddy play this game for years now and I would love to get to the point where he is, as it looks like loads of fun.

Actually in the CFC and HBC I know of atleast newbies can spend about a week training into a ship known as a Rifter and are very valuable in PVP for fleets like this.

They are known as "Rifterbros" and people will shower them with millions of isk (In game money) just for being new. When I joined my corporation I said "OMG A TITAN!" in my first big combat, and I made half a billion dollars because people thought I was so cute.

The Rifter had a use beyond looking AWESOME? I piloted one because I loved its design and that was the only reason!

I don't think I could ever play EVE, but gods is it entertaining to hear about.

I cannot imagine a battle with that many people and factions going even remotely as planned.

Thyunda:

FelixG:

barbzilla:

Same here, I think it is the barrier to entry issue. You have to spend at least a month getting yourself set up to run anything of value in the game and you are bored to tears the entire time (or at least I was). That being said, I have watched my buddy play this game for years now and I would love to get to the point where he is, as it looks like loads of fun.

Actually in the CFC and HBC I know of atleast newbies can spend about a week training into a ship known as a Rifter and are very valuable in PVP for fleets like this.

They are known as "Rifterbros" and people will shower them with millions of isk (In game money) just for being new. When I joined my corporation I said "OMG A TITAN!" in my first big combat, and I made half a billion dollars because people thought I was so cute.

The Rifter had a use beyond looking AWESOME? I piloted one because I loved its design and that was the only reason!

Rifters are generally considered to be the best frigates at that level, they are decently tough, hit hard and are good tacklers

FelixG:

Thyunda:

FelixG:

Actually in the CFC and HBC I know of atleast newbies can spend about a week training into a ship known as a Rifter and are very valuable in PVP for fleets like this.

They are known as "Rifterbros" and people will shower them with millions of isk (In game money) just for being new. When I joined my corporation I said "OMG A TITAN!" in my first big combat, and I made half a billion dollars because people thought I was so cute.

The Rifter had a use beyond looking AWESOME? I piloted one because I loved its design and that was the only reason!

Rifters are generally considered to be the best frigates at that level, they are decently tough, hit hard and are good tacklers

...damn. And here I just sailed it because I liked the rocking motion. And the twin prows. What race did those ships belong to - the scrappy looking ones I mean

Thyunda:

FelixG:

Thyunda:

The Rifter had a use beyond looking AWESOME? I piloted one because I loved its design and that was the only reason!

Rifters are generally considered to be the best frigates at that level, they are decently tough, hit hard and are good tacklers

...damn. And here I just sailed it because I liked the rocking motion. And the twin prows. What race did those ships belong to - the scrappy looking ones I mean

I like the ships as well, my favorite is the Macharial
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The race they belong to is the Minmatar though

I love that people have banded together into coalitions and companies to essentially make their own economy. Kind of shows you how awesome or insane we are.

Hagi:

It's not that bad.

Most corporations, especially specialized ones like EVE university, will go out of their way to help new members.

How new you are doesn't really matter as long as you understand the basic gameplay (which is quite complicated). What matters is having friends.

Hell, a major turning point of EVE was the Goons (newcomers with lots of friends) beating Band of Brothers (the old and connected) by basically swamping them with tons of newish players in cheap ships.

That's not to say EVE's for everyone. It's obviously not. But being new isn't nearly the disadvantage many believe it to be.

You can't get in as a Goon unless your SA though right? And I assume TEST are the same with redditt. Are there other alliances that a newbie friendly? And how hard is it to hook up with people? I don't have a good track record of meeting up with other ppl in my MMO experience and thats whats always held me back, because it seems like unless you do find other people to play with, you're missing most of the good experiences of EVE

BrotherRool:

Hagi:

It's not that bad.

Most corporations, especially specialized ones like EVE university, will go out of their way to help new members.

How new you are doesn't really matter as long as you understand the basic gameplay (which is quite complicated). What matters is having friends.

Hell, a major turning point of EVE was the Goons (newcomers with lots of friends) beating Band of Brothers (the old and connected) by basically swamping them with tons of newish players in cheap ships.

That's not to say EVE's for everyone. It's obviously not. But being new isn't nearly the disadvantage many believe it to be.

You can't get in as a Goon unless your SA though right? And I assume TEST are the same with redditt. Are there other alliances that a newbie friendly? And how hard is it to hook up with people? I don't have a good track record of meeting up with other ppl in my MMO experience and thats whats always held me back, because it seems like unless you do find other people to play with, you're missing most of the good experiences of EVE

If you're totally new the corporation I'd suggest would be EVE university. The corp itself will teach you all you need to know about gameplay, PvP, industry and everything else plus you get lots of free stuff to make starting out a lot easier and once you've been shown the ropes there's several larger alliances that recruit directly from EVE uni.

I personally also usually solo a lot in MMOs but EVE can easily be different with the right corp though. Just make sure you select one that's active in your own timezone, best to see which timezone corp leadership is in since every corp usually claims to be active in every timezone, you want to find one whose leaders are in your timezone. A specialized corp is usually the best as well, find one activity in EVE you want to focus on and then find a corp that focuses on that as well. Corporations that claim to do everything usually do nothing.

If you manage to find the right corp then meeting people and grouping up is rather easy, almost all activities are better done in groups and there's no limit on group sizes so active corporations usually have a fleet active that anyone can join to participate. This is why you want a specialized corp whose leadership is active at the same time you are, because then that fleet will be lead competently and will be doing what you want to be doing.

Hagi:

If you're totally new the corporation I'd suggest would be EVE university. The corp itself will teach you all you need to know about gameplay, PvP, industry and everything else plus you get lots of free stuff to make starting out a lot easier and once you've been shown the ropes there's several larger alliances that recruit directly from EVE uni.

I personally also usually solo a lot in MMOs but EVE can easily be different with the right corp though. Just make sure you select one that's active in your own timezone, best to see which timezone corp leadership is in since every corp usually claims to be active in every timezone, you want to find one whose leaders are in your timezone. A specialized corp is usually the best as well, find one activity in EVE you want to focus on and then find a corp that focuses on that as well. Corporations that claim to do everything usually do nothing.

If you manage to find the right corp then meeting people and grouping up is rather easy, almost all activities are better done in groups and there's no limit on group sizes so active corporations usually have a fleet active that anyone can join to participate. This is why you want a specialized corp whose leadership is active at the same time you are, because then that fleet will be lead competently and will be doing what you want to be doing.

Cheers I'll think about it. Dropping into an MMO is always a big thing, but EVE is just so fun to follow, it'd be a shame not to try it

barbzilla:

FelixG:

barbzilla:

Same here, I think it is the barrier to entry issue. You have to spend at least a month getting yourself set up to run anything of value in the game and you are bored to tears the entire time (or at least I was). That being said, I have watched my buddy play this game for years now and I would love to get to the point where he is, as it looks like loads of fun.

Actually in the CFC and HBC I know of atleast newbies can spend about a week training into a ship known as a Rifter and are very valuable in PVP for fleets like this.

They are known as "Rifterbros" and people will shower them with millions of isk (In game money) just for being new. When I joined my corporation I said "OMG A TITAN!" in my first big combat, and I made half a billion dollars because people thought I was so cute.

Well, I must get invited into one of these corporations next time I try Eve

AWWWWWWEEEEEE RIFTER BROS!!!!! CUTTTTEEEE!!!!

Terminate421:
I want to see a city raid of this size in World of Warcraft.

Although it is unrelated, I am reminded of the Falador Massacre here....

OMG i was there for that! i just ran away!

anyway you can always trust EVE will have the craziest stories

ThePuzzldPirate:

Cry Wolf:

mooncalf:
Those screens are actual-framerate I'll bet.

It wasn't. =D Skip ahead to about half way, you'll see it was pretty stable, all things considered.

The video is actually sped up 90% hence why you hear him stop talking. he was only getting 10 fps from how overloaded the servers were. that video you see there was over 4-5 hours.

Oh wow, I probably should have done more than skim over it. Thanks!

Thyunda:
The Rifter had a use beyond looking AWESOME? I piloted one because I loved its design and that was the only reason!

Back when I was still training pirates, the Rifter was the ship for new players looking for some cheap PvP. These days, it's now inferior in every way to a plethora of other ships. You know, except in looking awesome.

TrevHead:
How bad is Eve's lag nowadays with CCPs servers and time modulation?

A lot better. Though this will have broken 0.0 guidelines whereby you have to register a >1000 man battle with CCP 24hrs prior to a battle to ensure CCP can allocate processing power to the system you're in.

skywolfblue:
That didn't crash the server completely?

I'm impressed! I haven't heard of any MMO server that can handle those kind of numbers + spell effects and survive. Moreover how do people's computers handle that many ships and graphical effects at the same time? WoW always lagged out every time there were more then 3 40-man raids (120 people) in the same spot. Starcraft 2 servers start to lag out at around 700 units.

It must have been laggy as hell though.

Awesomeness.

CCP fights lag with lag. Time Dilatation slows everyone down allowing all commands to get thru.

I hear 90% was in effect, so 1 min, took 10 mins. But all commands get through so it is a lot better then losing your ship because the server missed a command.

Griffolion:

TrevHead:
How bad is Eve's lag nowadays with CCPs servers and time modulation?

A lot better. Though this will have broken 0.0 guidelines whereby you have to register a >1000 man battle with CCP 24hrs prior to a battle to ensure CCP can allocate processing power to the system you're in.

Even impromptu battles that happen spontaneously? What happens if you do not register also?

skywolfblue:
That didn't crash the server completely?

I'm impressed! I haven't heard of any MMO server that can handle those kind of numbers + spell effects and survive. Moreover how do people's computers handle that many ships and graphical effects at the same time? WoW always lagged out every time there were more then 3 40-man raids (120 people) in the same spot. Starcraft 2 servers start to lag out at around 700 units.

It must have been laggy as hell though.

Awesomeness.

You can request a solar system be loaded on a dedicated node to lessen the lag. Also the new Time Dilation feature tries to alleviate the lag by deliberately lagging the system so actions can go through in an orderly faction, ditching them when they fail to.

Gilhelmi:

Griffolion:
Even impromptu battles that happen spontaneously? What happens if you do not register also?

I'm unsure of the consequences, CCP simply request that you notify them so that they can make appropriate preparations to the server. I've a feeling that due to the utterly insane nature of this escalation that CCP will just let it go, not to mention the publicity this has just gotten their game.

[quote="Cid SilverWing" post="9.399499.16396087"]You can request a solar system be loaded on a dedicated node to lessen the lag. Also the new Time Dilation feature tries to alleviate the lag by deliberately lagging the system so actions can go through in an orderly faction, ditching them when they fail to.

Thanks for reminding me of the name of that feature. I remember them bringing that in on the Empyrean Age patch.

barbzilla:
Same here, I think it is the barrier to entry issue. You have to spend at least a month getting yourself set up to run anything of value in the game and you are bored to tears the entire time (or at least I was).

No you don't. Even if you play solo there's plenty you can do when new if you take the trouble to learn about the game, and if you get involved with a corp (what with it being an MMO and all), then you can be properly involved right from the start. You won't be flying all the big, expensive ships right from the start of course, but you can still be useful and have fun. It's only slow and boring if you just sit there on your own mining and doing missions and waiting until you can fly a big ship before looking for the fun.

It's also worth noting that they've done a lot to improve things for new players in the last couple of years - there are now proper tutorial missions with story arcs that introduce you to most non-PvP parts of the game, faction warfare makes a good introduction to PvP, plus there have been various changes to character creation, early skill progression, and so on. It's never going to be as easy to jump into as something like WoW, but it's a lot easier than it used to be and far easier than many people seem to think.

deviltry:
There's still a problem, if you want to be a part of such massive battles, you have to work in EVE. And don't get paid.
Like people here posting how much real money it has costed...

The trouble is that that "cost" is completely meaningless. Someone else already pointed out, the vast majority of in-game money is earned by simply playing the game. However, even that isn't entirely accurate - all the in-game money is earned by playing the game, you're just allowed to use real money to transfer it between players - one player earns 200kk isk in game, another player pays real money for a PLEX and sells it to the first player. No in-game money was created by involving the real money. So equating losses with real money lost just doesn't make sense. Sure, you have to spend plenty of time in the game in order to earn that much pretend money, but the same is true for every other MMO. WoW doesn't just hand you high-end gear when you first start the game, you have to spend lots of time levelling your character and running raids or PvP in order to earn it. If you don't enjoy doing that, then of course it will seem like boring work. It's no different in Eve. If you don't enjoy the gameplay, then earning the expensive stuff is just boring work. If you do enjoy it, then it's just playing a game.

Gilhelmi:
Even impromptu battles that happen spontaneously? What happens if you do not register also?

Nothing happens. If you notify CCP of an upcoming battle they'll allocate extra resources to try to keep the serving stable. If you don't notify them, they won't. That's all there is to it.

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