JonTron insults Platstation Now, Tumblr has a shit fit *UPDATE*

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Seriously? It's Jon. He's an idiot. Although he does have a point at how trivial jumping at someone like this is. But really, it's Jon. I've never agreed with a single opinion of his.

I think it's a surprise to no one at this point that JonTron is a complete idiot.

I'm not one about to get up in arms about political correctness, but I wonder if people will ever realize that getting up in arms against political correctness will generally earn them a huge amount of ire.

To be fair, the pricing for Playstation Now does seem like it was created by a retarded person.

To simply sum up my thought- "I don't give a danm" about the whole thing. Sure I admit there are a couple of times I do get riled up toward a person but Johntron isn't one of them.

Such wasted talent. IF only he didn't use the R-Word...

RIP JonTron.

Meh dude lost most of his appeal after he left the grumps.

JonTron is an ass to begin with, or a little looney or a combo of above. But I do agree about the pricing issue. As a PC and console gamer, I can't help but feel a twinge or regret for how stupid customers are willing to bend over for such prices.

Jon is kind of drama llama, so I am not really surprised about the situation getting out of hand and he shouldn't have resorted to personal attacks to someone who was reasonably polite.

I am, however, pretty amused by the starving-children-in-africa fallacy that he uses.

UltraPic:

Fyrana:
He used "retarded" which in the english language is synonymous for "stupid"

No, I think you will find it is synonymous with serious physical and mental disability, hence the outrage.

*digs through multiple thesaureses and dictionaries dating back to 1920*

Nope. Every single one of them say it is synonymous with stupid and the other words I had mentioned. Hell, I even asked my buddies in England and they added a few more words: "Dolt", "Crass", "thick as mince", "dozy", and "woodenheaded".

All of which CAN be used to insult someone who has learning or mental disabilities, handicaps, issues, or are just plain stupid. That is what an insult is. It is to be derogatory in nature, but it isn't specifically indicating someone who is mentally handicapped.

The textbook definition of Retard is to "Slow down the development or progress of something". I use "retard" in my vocabulary damn near every other day as it is used quite often when dealing with chemicals and in chemistry in general.

Tumblr gets its panties in a twist over fuckin nothing. In other news, grass is green, the sky is blue. Tumblr breeds neurotic, perma-butthurt children like a mushroom breeds fungal spores. Atleast the mushroom won't launch ad-hominens or try to dox you.

I'm with Jon on this one. People got outraged just for the sake of it.

as far as I'm concerned there are far better grammatical ways of getting across the same point without resorting to cursing or using an insult to people that had no control over the cards they were dealt. On the other hand people need to learn to take some deep breaths and move on. The amount of death threats and abuse hurled over the internet these days is astounding in a really depressing way.

Fyrana:

UltraPic:

Fyrana:
He used "retarded" which in the english language is synonymous for "stupid"

No, I think you will find it is synonymous with serious physical and mental disability, hence the outrage.

*digs through multiple thesaureses and dictionaries dating back to 1920*

Nope. Every single one of them say it is synonymous with stupid and the other words I had mentioned. Hell, I even asked my buddies in England and they added a few more words: "Dolt", "Crass", "thick as mince", "dozy", and "woodenheaded".

All of which CAN be used to insult someone who has learning or mental disabilities, handicaps, issues, or are just plain stupid. That is what an insult is. It is to be derogatory in nature, but it isn't specifically indicating someone who is mentally handicapped.

The textbook definition of Retard is to "Slow down the development or progress of something". I use "retard" in my vocabulary damn near every other day as it is used quite often when dealing with chemicals and in chemistry in general.

Google image search of retard https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=retard&client=firefox-a&hs=HMP&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=nts&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=etnfU7-3JfTT7AbL94GYDQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=629 , sure it has applications but that's pretty much what most people think of. And your buddies from England are either very, very old or divs :D.

Childe:
as far as I'm concerned there are far better grammatical ways of getting across the same point without resorting to cursing or using an insult to people that had no control over the cards they were dealt. On the other hand people need to learn to take some deep breaths and move on. The amount of death threats and abuse hurled over the internet these days is astounding in a really depressing way.

The internet has always been like that, I remember back in the early 90's, I would get death threats on the old Star Wars BBS because I disagreed with another poster about how powerful turbolasers were. In the late 90's it was receiving death threats over AIM about a debate on "don't ask, don't tell". In the early 2000's, I received death threats because I thought the 4chan/ Something Awful war was stupid and petty. In the late 2000's it was because I didn't join in on the internet's collective hate boner for the Twilight series (yeah, I actually got death threats because I stated the people who were complaining about the series were starting to become more annoying than the series' overzealous fans) And so on and so forth.

It only really looks worse because the tools for communication have improved, the internet has always been a cesspool of hypocrites complaining about things, then equally hypocritical people coming along and complaining about the complainers.

Hmm...As I understand it the big fuzz about
this is not alone because he used the word "retarded".
I think the point about this whole mess is, that he basicly
insulted a person who politly asked him not to use this word.
And instead of politly arguing for his views about
political correctness he just started to be a dick.

This seems to be a general thing with all those "Political Correctness is evil"-Folks.
They don't want to argue about how much sense this whole PC-thing makes or that when it actually is
a bit oversensitive. No. It seems like many of those guys just want a free pass on insulting people and
to shut up everyone who disagrees with them.
But that's just speculation and I digress. I think I made my point. But for the protocol: I also think that
some of my fellow liberals can be quite a pain in the arse if it's about political correctness. ;)

Sorry but you can't say "PS is retarded" and then " why are you getting so pissed about me using the word retarded, when there are bigger injustices out there!". So you can be pissed off about a school getting bombed, you can complain about about a PS product but you can't complain about using an offensive term? Fuck that cracker! (interesting tid bit about that white insult, it comes from the cracking of the whip)

I feel like he is hiding behind "I am a comedian" to say what he likes. He made a bitch tweet about PS, he used a word that caused people to eye twitch and is now complaining that people don't like that he used an offensive word.

Fucking e-celebs are getting as diva-ish as real celebs.

Zachary Amaranth:

BinDipper:

Pop culture joke, you wouldn't get it if you have a life.

I have no life. You have offended me with your mischaracterisation of me and people like me! I demand an apology!

Oh yeah? Well did you have a life from 2004 to 2007? And then for a little bit in 2011?

Yeah, I thought so.

I was wanking off to borderline-illegal internet porn while you still had friends and family that cared about you.

UltraPic:

Google image search of retard https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=retard&client=firefox-a&hs=HMP&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=nts&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=etnfU7-3JfTT7AbL94GYDQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=629 , sure it has applications but that's pretty much what most people think of. And your buddies from England are either very, very old or divs :D.

Holy shit, some of those demotivational posters...

If there was any doubt that the word retard is still frequently used in a very negative and offensive way, I hope that's dispelled now.

Sometimes I forget that despite all of its faults and knee jerk anger towards any kind of social injustice not targeting straigth white men, the Escapist is downright civil compared to some other places on the internet

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Oh Chris, you cheeky cunt.

OT:
Meh, people having shitfits with little reason. Nothing new. JonTron was trying to rile the guy up by further calling him retarded and it worked, though probably a little more than he hoped.

Words gonna get used, people gonna get offended. It's the internet. It's Jon's right to call whatever he wants retarded and in turn, it's the other guy's right to get offended and whine at him about the word he used. The mistake Jon made was caring too much about the opinions of people who get offended on the behalf of others.

The whole thing is pretty amusing to me. Jon's viewership isn't going to dramatically change over this and if someone who's actually mentally handicapped (and not just a random Tumblr person) got offended, well that sucks, but they'll probably get over it eventually.

i dont understand those playstation fans, have they forgotten this?

yeah jontron is such a microsoft fan

He chose his words poorly but I don't know if I would call that reason for any sort of mass attack. That said, I'm really also starting to hate the "people have it worse elsewhere so you can't complain" attitude as well. Yes, we all know that people living fairly well in a first world country have less pressing issues to complain about than a starving child in Africa or a civilian caught in a civil war, but that does not mean those who are better off have no rights to complain about anything.

I'm inclined to agree with JonTron on this one. To me, this just sounds like another classic case of internet SJWs looking for the next big thing to complain about.

man, not only is Playstation Now retarded, it seems like everyone who uses Tumblr is retarded.

First they pick a fight with 4chan [which is by definition, retarded. seriously.], but the second you even show your cis-gendered single white male face you get called out for everything from Trigger Warnings to being attacked by Feminazi SJW's.

I think we need to shut down Tumblr, obviously we have let this retardation continue for way too long.

Why is everyone thinking his second response was a dick move? I thought it was a joke.

I find it ironic that people find it acceptable to insult Jon, for using a potentially offensive word, using words others would find offensive.

Fuck Tumblr and their "ableisms", "preferred pronouns", etc. It is not everyone's job to hold your hand, if anything with the potential to offend someone is not allowed then tumblr might as well wait until we have automatic censoring gear.

Want to know what else people overreacted to?
Chuck Palahniuk saying that not enough books examine male role models. God forbid, someone have that opinion.

StriderShinryu:
He chose his words poorly but I don't know if I would call that reason for any sort of mass attack. That said, I'm really also starting to hate the "people have it worse elsewhere so you can't complain" attitude as well. Yes, we all know that people living fairly well in a first world country have less pressing issues to complain about than a starving child in Africa or a civilian caught in a civil war, but that does not mean those who are better off have no rights to complain about anything.

I saw it more as
"You're gonna complain about a Comedian using a certain word rather than people causing actual damage."

That said I do agree that it's not the best argument.

Laser Priest:

I'm not one about to get up in arms about political correctness, but I wonder if people will ever realize that getting up in arms against political correctness will generally earn them a huge amount of ire.

I think Jon is aware of that and how fucking erm...retarded it is.

This must be a recent thing to be so touchy about language, because I don't really remember anyone getting uppity over Yahtzee's "pants on head retarded" joke.

People just need thicker skins. Much thicker skins.

So yeah... gonna side with this Jontron guy. Maybe he's an asshole, maybe not. But what he said isn't worth this kind of controversy. If you don't like what he says, don't visit his content. Problem solved.

Jon's response was stupid, but it should've never been an issue in the first place. I hate how people get offended for other people nowadays, doubly so if the thing they're getting 'offended' over has no intent. It's no longer a thing to actually get offended and complain, but rather people get offended by the notion of someone else they don't know possibly getting offended, and then speak for them before they even have said anything about it being offensive.

EternallyBored:

Childe:
as far as I'm concerned there are far better grammatical ways of getting across the same point without resorting to cursing or using an insult to people that had no control over the cards they were dealt. On the other hand people need to learn to take some deep breaths and move on. The amount of death threats and abuse hurled over the internet these days is astounding in a really depressing way.

The internet has always been like that, I remember back in the early 90's, I would get death threats on the old Star Wars BBS because I disagreed with another poster about how powerful turbolasers were. In the late 90's it was receiving death threats over AIM about a debate on "don't ask, don't tell". In the early 2000's, I received death threats because I thought the 4chan/ Something Awful war was stupid and petty. In the late 2000's it was because I didn't join in on the internet's collective hate boner for the Twilight series (yeah, I actually got death threats because I stated the people who were complaining about the series were starting to become more annoying than the series' overzealous fans) And so on and so forth.

It only really looks worse because the tools for communication have improved, the internet has always been a cesspool of hypocrites complaining about things, then equally hypocritical people coming along and complaining about the complainers.

Sorry I should have been clearer. I meant that society has a whole needs to learn to take some deep breaths and let things go. This problem is more prominent on the internet because people think they are anonymous.

There's nothing Tumblr doesnt have a shit fit about, theres too many people of varying backgrounds on there.

But whatever, Jontrons a funny but strongly opinionated guy. It's a little hard to see it his way all the time, but...yeah I'd say I'm not too pleased looking at what 'now' offers, he could have used something a little more mentally advanced than 'retarded' but hey, who's perfect?

Playstation Now is retarded, Jon wasn't really wrong to start with but he reacted in the most petty, salty, e-celebrity way and is now the bad guy regardless.

As somebody who doesn't use Tumblr I always raise my eye at people blaming an entire site for these things. Surely not literally everyone on Tumblr is involved with this?

well, Jon is right... on both counts really.

That PS Now thing is retarded, and people really should be giving more of a shit about real world issues then weather or not some one on the internet shares your stance on 'which gaming platform is best'

Zachary Amaranth:

loa:

Zachary Amaranth:
I'm missing the joke. Since "retarded" is considered a derogatory term, there doesn't seem to be any trick here.

The capacity to identify that a slur is used to depict or describe a group is not the same has holding stock in the term yourself, so that's not it.

Can you elaborate?

1: That thing I don't like is so gay!
2: Don't use that word that way!
1: Sorry, didn't know you were gay.

Really not that hard to understand.

You haven't actually elaborated on how it's funny. You've simply repeated the "joke."

it's implying the person who got offended is gay or retarded.

then it becomes even more hilarious when that person goes "well, I'm not [gay/retarded], BUT IT'S OFFENSIVE", in which point you laugh at them for being retarded regardless.

or, unless it's still too difficult to understand, it's a joke that a bunch of 4th graders would make on the playground, and then someone cries because little Johnny used a "bad word" and needs to be placed in their hugbox because they are sperging out just like when TUMBLTARDS DECIDED TO RAID 4CHAN AND THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

I seriously think it's about time we #shutdowntumblr, they constantly use too many trigger words, internet cyber bully anyone they dont like, and is a general bad place.

thank god for the internet superheroes of 4chan, protecting us cisgendered, white male scum from the retarded feminazi forces of SJW's.

God... You know I like Jontron, but I so often forget what an immature little asshole he can be sometimes. The casual use of 'retarded' when talking about Playstation Now, ok, maybe a hint questionable, but nothing I'd ever get into a lather about. But when calmly and politely asked 'hey, maybe think about what words mean before using them, maybe?' to fire back with 'Well than YOU'RE RETARDED!' is the response of a goddamn 8 year old. What happened afterwards is just a spiraling mess of idiocy on all sides, no winners just a big heaping pile of dumb shits one and all.

And I swear any time someone uses that stupid, fucking, little, "It's all just an act, I'm a comedian so you can't criticize me," line I wanna beat them across the head with a stick. It doesn't fucking matter if it's an joke, you still said it, it doesn't matter if it's an act, that's the way you've presented yourself to the world, that is what people are going to criticize. If you hate the responses your 'act' is getting that much, maybe change your fucking act.

So many dipshits on the internet. I side with JonTron, even though he was a bit of a dick about it. He is perfectly allowed to call a fucking video game console retarded.

Elijin:

Savagezion:
Please don't say white noise. It's offensive to people who take 'everything past that' seriously.

/sarcasm

I don't see anything wrong with the initial post or really even anything that followed other than a lack of wit. Personally, I wish people would quit reserving words for hate speech. Are we now reserving 'retarded' for people who look down on handicapped people? Fuck them. I say we make retarded a perfectly acceptable word for retarted people to use even in reference to themselves and quit shaming the condition. All political correctness does in this instance is shame the condition. How is mentally handicapped better when it is MUCH more vague? Down syndrome and retarded are 2 different things but both are mentally handicapped. How is that better?

Seeing a retarded person call themselves retarded casually is what should happen. It isn't demeaning. The word retardation is a condition and means the same thing as mentally handicapped. (only more specific) But hey, let's set the word aside specifically FOR hate speech. That's a better idea.

Im not reserving it for hate speech. Lets put it in another way.

Person A made a comment which they felt was harmless.
Person B politely informed Person A that they found that offensive, and perhaps they could be a bit more considerate in the future.
Person A, now armed with the knowledge person B finds the phrase offensive, immediately calls person B that.

That the issue here at its core. Someone politely said they found something offensive, and he immediately made a targeted remark which was guaranteed to be offensive to them.

Who cares whether it was a word with or without political correctness hang ups. JonTron was an asshole for the sake of being an asshole.

He didnt like being politely asked not to use the word? Fine. He could of not replied, I imagine he doesnt reply to a lot of tweets on a daily basis. He made the decision to pointlessly escalate it by actively being a dick to someone who's only transgression was politely presenting a differing opinion.

The 'politically correct' issues with his words are something I dont care to touch.

Yeah the white noise bit of my post is more to show that if you try to tell others what they can or can't say (a very basic liberty) it probably won't be met with warmness. People do choose what offends them in cases like this. So now they have set aside a word that they allow people to use to offend them. Jon acknowledged that and used it. Yes, it is a dick move but who says he can't do that? Right, the same people telling him what words he can't say. This is why certain social groups get the term 'nazi'.

EDIT: You know technically, an argument could be made that since SJW's set 'retarded' aside for people to offend them with, JonTron actually used it correctly by their very own rules. He was fulfilling their own desires by insulting them with the word.

Being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole, I don't know. It may have just been an attempt to deflect. I will admit there is a lack of wit on his part and it brings the whole thing down to low brow levels of 'comedy'. But Jon has always been low brow so this can't be a surprise to anyone. He may not be able to articulate his ability to see no harm in the word. So as many comedic artist do, they lean on their comedy style like a crutch in the situation - especially in a public space.

I think the reason why media places such as twitter and tumblr get into so much heat is because they are media sites designed specifically for you to speak you mind 'in the moment' and no human being on this planet has perfect behavior all of the time. We're all prone to rash responses, pigeon holing, stereotyping, etc. These sites are not meant for deep discussions, they are designed for rash postings. They are made for people to post 1 liners. However, 1 liners can be easily skewed to change their entire meaning since they have no inherent context and most are shallow to start with.

So Jon said a 1 liner that was kind of dickish once on tumblr/twitter? Oh no, he's human and has shown it by having a shortcoming. Let's all take this mother fucker down. It's our duty as human beings who have no shortcomings and wish to see all of humanity be like us.

Context is wonderful when you can ignore and obscure it to make someone else out to be an asshole.

Oh please, it's Tumblr. It's a hive of stupidity at it's best. This is the place that thinks absolutely EVERYTHING EVER is a trigger for whatever they have self-diagnosed themselves with. So I'm on Jon's side. It's a shame he's getting so much heat over something so tiny. People really do need thicker skins. Just people getting upiddy for the sake of it, it seems.

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